TenQ:


Farjah means Sleave of Garment!?
AntiChristian, when will you stop telling lies to cover other lies?

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢

Lies are EASY to burst you know! LOL!!

What is the meaning of THIS : فَرْجَهَا
And What is THIS: فِيهِ

Is فَرْجَهَا the same as SLEEVE?
Quran 66:12
And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her private parts, (i.e., safeguarded) so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.
— Dr. Ghali
Dr Ghali was sponsored by Christians, abi?
LOL!!

What you are telling me is that Mary guarded her SLEEVES and therefore, Jubril BLEW into THE SLEEVES!?
Alhaji AntChristian, tell Another lie!


SECONDLY, The Question was about Jubril who became a MAN

SO, Again, after bursting your lies

If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

Forgive me for the explicit word: I am just copying what the Qur'an says

I am also jealously guarding my sleeves o!
LOL

Once again Allah never said that in the Qu'ran!

Here are some interpretations:
Sahih International: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Pickthall: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Yusuf Ali: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Shakir: And Mariam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

Muhammad Sarwar: He has also told, as a parable, the story of Mary, daughter of Imran who preserved her virginity and (into whose womb) We breathed Our spirit. She made the words of her Lord and the predictions in His Books come true. She was an obedient woman.

Mohsin Khan: And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Arberry: And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient

As per the lie you claimed i lied, the tafsirs vindicates me!
First of all, scholars of Tafseer had several opinions regarding the meaning of Farjaha (her Farj) in the saying of Allaah The Almighty: {Who guarded Farjaha}[Quran 66: 12] Some of them said: "It means the known private part." Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment in which Jibreel (Gabriel) blew and that breath went into her womb; this is how ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was conceived."

Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him said: "There are different opinions regarding the Farj that Allaah The Almighty said that she guarded. Some said: "It refers to her private part that she guarded against fornication. Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment from which she prevented Jibreel before she came to know that he was the messenger of her Lord. This is proved by His saying {So We blew into her} and this followed His saying: {Who guarded Farjaha}. They said: "In this way, the meaning is: who guarded the neck opening of her garment and We blew into it [her garment] through Our angel."

Al-Qurtubi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his Tafseer: "{Who guarded Farjaha} meaning, who guarded her chastity and refrained from fornication. It was also said: "The word Farj means the neck opening of the garment, meaning no suspicion afflicted her garment (i.e. honor)." In other words, her garment (honor) is pure. A garment has four openings: Two sleeves and the upper and lower openings... " [End quote]

Az-Zarkashi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in Al-Burhaan: "Whoever thinks that it means the private part is really mistaken. Rather, it is one of the finest and best metonymy. It refers to the neck opening of the garment, i.e. no suspicion afflicted her garment (honor). She has pure garments (i.e. she is chaste); and the garment has four openings; two sleeves…etc." [End quote]

If we assume that what is meant is the private part, as is the view of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him then Allaah The Almighty has mentioned it about Maryam (Mary) to explain her chastity and prove her innocence of what the Jews, may Allaah curse them repeatedly, accused her of.

Hence, explicit mention of such matters that the questioner called 'sexual' is not considered dispraised in all conditions.

TenQ:
LegalWolf,
You fled with respect to the Question:
Did Jubril stop being an Angel (momentarily)?

But AntiCHristian came to bail you out. BUT since you always love AntiChristians responses,

He said in response to the question:


Now, my next Question:
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

Forgive me for the explicit word: I am just copying what the Qur'an says

Lol, me flee from your question? 😂😂😝🤪 You have an over-bloated sense of self worth. More annoying is that you are a future thief?

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

LegalWolf:


Lol, me flee from your question? 😂😂😝🤪 You have an over-bloated sense of self worth. More annoying is that you are a future thief?

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

I don't even know what he hopes to achieve here when it's established Allah appoints Angel to each womb!

What does فَرْجَهَا mean?
AND
What does فِيهَا mean?
Whose INTERPRETATION of the Quran is Superior: the One from Allah or the One from Men?
LOL![/i]
Lets ride!

AntiChristian:


Once again Allah never said that in the Qu'ran!

Here are some interpretations:
Sahih International: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Pickthall: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Yusuf Ali: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Shakir: And Mariam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

Muhammad Sarwar: He has also told, as a parable, the story of Mary, daughter of Imran who preserved her virginity and (into whose womb) We breathed Our spirit. She made the words of her Lord and the predictions in His Books come true. She was an obedient woman.

Mohsin Khan: And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Arberry: And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient

As per the lie you claimed i lied, the tafsirs vindicates me!
First of all, scholars of Tafseer had several opinions regarding the meaning of Farjaha (her Farj) in the saying of Allaah The Almighty: {Who guarded Farjaha}[Quran 66: 12] Some of them said: "It means the known private part." Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment in which Jibreel (Gabriel) blew and that breath went into her womb; this is how ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was conceived."

Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him said: "There are different opinions regarding the Farj that Allaah The Almighty said that she guarded. Some said: "It refers to her private part that she guarded against fornication. Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment from which she prevented Jibreel before she came to know that he was the messenger of her Lord. This is proved by His saying {So We blew into her} and this followed His saying: {Who guarded Farjaha}. They said: "In this way, the meaning is: who guarded the neck opening of her garment and We blew into it [her garment] through Our angel."

Al-Qurtubi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his Tafseer: "{Who guarded Farjaha} meaning, who guarded her chastity and refrained from fornication. It was also said: "The word Farj means the neck opening of the garment, meaning no suspicion afflicted her garment (i.e. honor)." In other words, her garment (honor) is pure. A garment has four openings: Two sleeves and the upper and lower openings... " [End quote]

Az-Zarkashi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in Al-Burhaan: "Whoever thinks that it means the private part is really mistaken. Rather, it is one of the finest and best metonymy. It refers to the neck opening of the garment, i.e. no suspicion afflicted her garment (honor). She has pure garments (i.e. she is chaste); and the garment has four openings; two sleeves…etc." [End quote]

If we assume that what is meant is the private part, as is the view of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him then Allaah The Almighty has mentioned it about Maryam (Mary) to explain her chastity and prove her innocence of what the Jews, may Allaah curse them repeatedly, accused her of.

Hence, explicit mention of such matters that the questioner called 'sexual' is not considered dispraised in all conditions.

I was patiently waiting for you sir.
Of course there is this EMBARRASSMENT by English translators of the Quran , so they would rather tell lies than report exactly what the Quran says.

Your Argument is that:
Jubril Blew into THE SLEEVE of Mary isnt it?
And the Sleeve of Mary is Her Garment!

But Let me deflate your bubbles BY the Quran
Quran 21:91
وَٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا وَٱبْنَهَآ ءَايَةًۭ لِّلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٩١
[i]Quran 21:91
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Are you saying that
Jubril Blew into the SLEEVES of Mary's Garment
or
Jubril Blew into Mary

If Quran will not contradict itself, Farjah can only mean Vagina (Despite ALL the cover-ups)!

So, my dear AntiChristian
1. Is the Quran 21:91 contradicting Quran 66:12 as per the Sleeve is that of a Garment BUT Mary is a Person ?
(one is "IT" while the other is "HER"
2. If the Quran is not contradicting each other, then would you agree that Farjah is the same in both verses above?

Islamic conspiracies ALWAYS break down when subjected to Questioning!

Checkmate!

LegalWolf:


Lol, me flee from your question? 😂😂😝🤪 You have an over-bloated sense of self worth. More annoying is that you are a future thief?

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

You can see that it is very true that Islam breaks down under slight scrutiny>

The Question cannot be answered truthfully because it destroys the very foundation of your faith in the garbage of Mohammed.


Did Jubril stop being an Angel (momentarily)?

Now, my next Question:
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

Forgive me for the explicit word: I am just copying what the Qur'an says

AntiChristian:


I don't even know what he hopes to achieve here when it's established Allah appoints Angel to each womb!

Did Allah appoint Angels to appear as men AND blowing into the garment of women?

TenQ:

You can see that it is very true that Islam breaks down under slight scrutiny>

The Question cannot be answered truthfully because it destroys the very foundation of your faith in the garbage of Mohammed.


Did Jubril stop being an Angel (momentarily)?

Now, my next Question:
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

Forgive me for the explicit word: I am just copying what the Qur'an says

Lol, did you not see my question:

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

Lol! The stray advocatejare could help out with Victorian English if you don’t know… Lol 😂

LegalWolf:


Lol, did you not see my question:

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

Lol! The stray advocatejare could help out with Victorian English if you don’t know… Lol 😂

You can see that it is very true that Islam breaks down under slight scrutiny>

The Question cannot be answered truthfully because it destroys the very foundation of your faith in the garbage of Mohammed.


Did Jubril stop being an Angel (momentarily)?

Now, my next Question:
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

Forgive me for the explicit word: I am just copying what the Qur'an says

Kobojunkie:
Do we really need to know their names? The book of Genesis never mentioned their names or their numbers so it is a thing of speculation to claim to know these things.

We need names for proper confirmation.

mysticwarrior:
We need names for proper confirmation.

Proper confirmation of what exactly?

BUHARI AND E-MEFIELE ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH SEP LIFE OF NIGERIANS.

TenQ:

Did Allah appoint Angels to appear as men AND blowing into the garment of women?

Allah does whatever He wills! You have called me a Liar instead of accepting your ignorance!

Allah breathed into Adam too without Angel and parents.

Jesus's was with an Angel and human mother.

Just the way Allah intends it.

TenQ:
What does فَرْجَهَا mean?
AND
What does فِيهَا mean?
Whose INTERPRETATION of the Quran is Superior: the One from Allah or the One from Men?
LOL![/i]
Lets ride!

I was patiently waiting for you sir.
Of course there is this EMBARRASSMENT by English translators of the Quran , so they would rather tell lies than report exactly what the Quran says.

Your Argument is that:
Jubril Blew into THE SLEEVE of Mary isnt it?
And the Sleeve of Mary is Her Garment!

But Let me deflate your bubbles BY the Quran
Quran 21:91
وَٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا وَٱبْنَهَآ ءَايَةًۭ لِّلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٩١
[i]Quran 21:91
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Are you saying that
Jubril Blew into the SLEEVES of Mary's Garment
or
Jubril Blew into Mary

If Quran will not contradict itself, Farjah can only mean Virgina (Despite ALL the cover-ups)!

So, my dear AntiChristian
1. Is the Quran 21:91 contradicting Quran 66:12 as per the Sleeve is that of a Garment BUT Mary is a Person ?
(one is "IT" while the other is "HER"
2. If the Quran is not contradicting each other, then would you agree that Farjah is the same in both verses above?

Islamic conspiracies ALWAYS break down when subjected to Questioning!

Checkmate!

You're simply a layman without any knowledge of what you're saying! I know you'll never end the argument.

What does checkmate mean? More like this is a game to you?

Everyone is a liar except you!

AntiChristian:


You're simply a layman without any knowledge of what you're saying! I know you'll never end the argument.

What does checkmate mean? More like this is a game to you?

Everyone is a liar except you!

I remember I said:

Farjah means Sleave of Garment!?
AntiChristian, when will you stop telling lies to cover other lies?

I didn't intend to directly accuse you of lying. I apologize (you were basically quoting the lies of Muslim translators and it doesn't make you in particular a liar). I hope I am forgiven?

That been said;
Your argument was that Farjah could mean either the Vagina OR the Sleeve of a garment. I'm aware that some Islamic scholars differ on the exact translation and many English Translators in particular prefer the "softer and more less vulgar" translation even though it contradicts Quran 21:91.

Checkmate just mean that you have no other interpretation or without contradicting the Qur'an and as such, a checkmate!

Even if we don't like it as modern English speakers, the word Farjah in Qur'an 66:12 is Vagina.

The Question I asked may be fitting ONLY for the highest Clerics of Islam and not you. You'll agree with me that a weak faith Muslim should not even contemplate it's imagination.

The Question Again:
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?


Thanks for your understanding as you've been much more civil than others.

AntiChristian:


Allah does whatever He wills! You have called me a Liar instead of accepting your ignorance!

Allah breathed into Adam too without Angel and parents.

Jesus's was with an Angel and human mother.

Just the way Allah intends it.

I am glad you said Allah does whatever he wills and this brings my third question.


We can see that Jubril could appear in another form by the permission of Allah and still remain Jubril.

Can Allah appear in another form and still remain Allah?

LegalWolf:


Lol, did you not see my question:

Pray, I beseech thee, that it was Jubril that “breathed” the spirit of Allah into Mariam?

Lol! The stray advocatejare could help out with Victorian English if you don’t know… Lol 😂

Here the Islam is vague because
Jubril is termed as the Holy Spirit. Therefore, as per your question, I'll stick with what the Qur'an says.

According to the Qur'an
It was Jubril who probably by the permission of Allah to come to Mary in form of a MAN and Blow into Mary's Vagina! Qur'an21:91
(Without saying what was blown)

However,
Qur'an 66:12 is a little more explicit of what was blown by Jubril as the Spirit from Allah.

Your question answered again

You know when you’re truthful (which is very rare), I’ll commend you. It’s not every time I’ll call you a potential thief. Thumbs up for the partial truth 👍

TenQ:

Here the Islam is vague because
Jubril is termed as the Holy Spirit. Therefore, as per your question, I'll stick with what the Qur'an says.

Irrelevant

According to the Qur'an
It was Jubril who probably by the permission of Allah to come to Mary in form of a MAN and Blow into Mary's Vagina! Qur'an21:91
(Without saying what was blown)

However,
Qur'an 66:12 is a little more explicit of what was blown by Jubril as the Spirit from Allah.

Your question answered again

Strictly speaking, from the text of the Quran, we have no evidence that Jubril blew any spirit. It is your OWN wishful imagination, stemming from your hallucination, that you derived that. Isn’t it?

So why should I engage you in your hallucination?

PS: I’ve actually forgotten my Sira on this subject, so you can do well to recommend any secondary sources

Kobojunkie:
Proper confirmation of what exactly?

Of the angels you claim were able to take wives.

mysticwarrior:
Of the angels you claim were able to take wives.

And how do you go about doing this when neither identity nor numbers were provided to you in the text? Are you here looking to pass your assumptions regarding what is written off as fact or what?

Kobojunkie:
And how do you go about doing this when neither identity nor numbers were provided to you in the text? Are you here looking to pass your assumptions regarding what is written off as fact or what?

Prove it.

mysticwarrior:
Prove it.

You want me to prove that what is written in the passage below is in fact what is written of the Sons of God in scripture?

1 - 4. The number of people on earth continued to increase. When these people had daughters, the sons of God saw how beautiful they were. So they chose the women they wanted. They married them, and the women had their children. Then the Lord said, “People are only human. I will not let my Spirit be troubled by them forever. I will let them live only 120 years.” During this time and also later, the Nephilim people lived in the land. They have been famous as powerful soldiers since ancient times.
5 The Lord saw that the people on the earth were very evil. He saw that they thought only about evil things all the time.
6 The Lord was sorry that he had made people on the earth. It made him very sad in his heart.
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy all the people I created on the earth. I will destroy every person and every animal and everything that crawls on the earth. And I will destroy all the birds in the air because I am sorry that I have made them.” - Genesis 6 vs 1 - 7

LegalWolf:
You know when you’re truthful (which is very rare), I’ll commend you. It’s not every time I’ll call you a potential thief. Thumbs up for the partial truth 👍



Irrelevant



Strictly speaking, from the text of the Quran, we have no evidence that Jubril blew any spirit. It is your OWN wishful imagination, stemming from your hallucination, that you derived that. Isn’t it?

So why should I engage you in your hallucination?

PS: I’ve actually forgotten my Sira on this subject, so you can do well to recommend any secondary sources

Qur'an 66:12
And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient.

Qur'an 66:12
And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Allah said: (Qur'an 66:12)
He blew into Mary's Farjah of his spirit


You said:

It is your OWN wishful imagination, stemming from your hallucination, that you derived that. Isn’t it?

Here, I show you AS EVIDENCE what your Muslim Clerics said in their translation of the Qur'an

Allah explained How he blew into Mary's Farjah (Qur'an 91:12)
Again:
This is exactly how some of your Muslim translators printed the verse Qur'an 91:12!

Are they LYING?

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Sahih International:
And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Mohsin Khan:
And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Are you saying that some of your translators of your Islamic manuscripts are Liars!?

Let's assume that you want to play the Dumb game by saying that it wasn't Jubril that blew the spirit into the Vagina of Mary, was it Allah?
If Allah

Was it Allah himself that opened up the skirt of Mary to blow into her Farjah (Vagina)?

drlateef:






Jubril is an Angel, not God Almighty. Jubril is a messenger, messengers can appear in various forms as decreed by God Almighty. But God almighty cannot come down to earth to be killed by humans that He created[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]. He can do everything but He will not yo below the dignity of His majesty. Imagine if Jesus was god and he was killed, who was in charge of the whole creation at that point that the god died?

Note the bolded

Is this your idea or Allah's? Your imagination or his reality?
What makes Allah almighty if there are things difficult for him to do?

MightySparrow:


Note the bolded

Is this your idea or Allah's? Your imagination or his reality?
What makes Allah almighty if there are things difficult for him to do?

It is not difficult for God to do anything, but He will not do everything because He forbids Himself from doing them. Just like He forbids us from committing sin, even though we can commit sin. The angels that appear in human form will not do things that human beings do. For example the angels never ate food of their host. Prophet Ibrahim offered the angels food but they refused to eat. If jesus considered himself to be god, he would not eat the food of human beings, drink their water etc.

drlateef:




It is not difficult for God to do anything, but He will not do everything because He forbids Himself from doing them. Just like He forbids us from committing sin, even though we can commit sin. The angels that appear in human form will not do things that human beings do. For example the angels never ate food of their host. Prophet Ibrahim offered the angels food but they refused to eat. If jesus considered himself to be god, he would not eat the food of human beings, drink their water etc.

You have not the question. Is it because you feel so or any proof from the Quran that he is incapable of doing that?

drlateef:
It is not difficult for God to do anything, but He will not do everything because He forbids Himself from doing them. Just like He forbids us from committing sin, even though we can commit sin. The angels that appear in human form will not do things that human beings do. For example the angels never ate food of their host. Prophet Ibrahim offered the angels food but they refused to eat. If jesus considered himself to be god, he would not eat the food of human beings, drink their water etc.

They may have refused to eat the food Ibrahim set before them in your Quran but from what is written in scripture, the visitors that visited Abraham did not refuse to eat the food he set before them - Genesis 18 vs 1 - 8. I believe it I reasonable to conclude it a mistake to assume that the same rules which as far as Allah's angels apply also to the angels of the God of Israel, don't you think? .

AntiChristian:


Once again Allah never said that in the Qu'ran!

Here are some interpretations:
Sahih International: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Pickthall: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Yusuf Ali: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Shakir: And Mariam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

Muhammad Sarwar: He has also told, as a parable, the story of Mary, daughter of Imran who preserved her virginity and (into whose womb) We breathed Our spirit. She made the words of her Lord and the predictions in His Books come true. She was an obedient woman.

Mohsin Khan: And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Arberry: And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient

As per the lie you claimed i lied, the tafsirs vindicates me!
First of all, scholars of Tafseer had several opinions regarding the meaning of Farjaha (her Farj) in the saying of Allaah The Almighty: {Who guarded Farjaha}[Quran 66: 12] Some of them said: "It means the known private part." Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment in which Jibreel (Gabriel) blew and that breath went into her womb; this is how ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was conceived."

Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him said: "There are different opinions regarding the Farj that Allaah The Almighty said that she guarded. Some said: "It refers to her private part that she guarded against fornication. Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment from which she prevented Jibreel before she came to know that he was the messenger of her Lord. This is proved by His saying {So We blew into her} and this followed His saying: {Who guarded Farjaha}. They said: "In this way, the meaning is: who guarded the neck opening of her garment and We blew into it [her garment] through Our angel."

Al-Qurtubi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his Tafseer: "{Who guarded Farjaha} meaning, who guarded her chastity and refrained from fornication. It was also said: "The word Farj means the neck opening of the garment, meaning no suspicion afflicted her garment (i.e. honor)." In other words, her garment (honor) is pure. A garment has four openings: Two sleeves and the upper and lower openings... " [End quote]

Az-Zarkashi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in Al-Burhaan: "Whoever thinks that it means the private part is really mistaken. Rather, it is one of the finest and best metonymy. It refers to the neck opening of the garment, i.e. no suspicion afflicted her garment (honor). She has pure garments (i.e. she is chaste); and the garment has four openings; two sleeves…etc." [End quote]

If we assume that what is meant is the private part, as is the view of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him then Allaah The Almighty has mentioned it about Maryam (Mary) to explain her chastity and prove her innocence of what the Jews, may Allaah curse them repeatedly, accused her of.

Hence, explicit mention of such matters that the questioner called 'sexual' is not considered dispraised in all conditions.

Muslims can lie? If you qoute the Hadith they will say they don't bring that. If qoute Tasfir they will say they believe only in the Quran. If you qoute the Quran, they will say that version belongs to the other sect. The Quran Arabic is different from the modern standard one just like KJV is earliest of the common Bible translations.
If you qoute other references they have a smart way of dodging. Farjaha فرجها is the original word used. Jubril rocked the poonani of Islamic Maryam.

Kobojunkie:
They may have refused to eat the food Ibrahim set before them in your Quran but from what is written in scripture, the visitors that visited Abraham did not refuse to eat the food he set before them - Genesis 18 vs 1 - 8. I believe it I reasonable to conclude it a mistake to assume that the same rules which as far as Allah's angels apply also to the angels of the God of Israel, don't you think? .

They are doing everything possible to make their Allah equal to Jehovah, God of Israel. It simply can't work. God of Israel knows no limits. The original Almighty. The one who transcends all time and space and thinking and comprehension of man. You don't think for him. He the I Am that I Am. He is all in all. Simply the wonder that makes people wandering in His wonders and you get to the end of your wondering to give Him praise.

Kobojunkie:
They may have refused to eat the food Ibrahim set before them in your Quran but from what is written in scripture, the visitors that visited Abraham did not refuse to eat the food he set before them - Genesis 18 vs 1 - 8. I believe it I reasonable to conclude it a mistake to assume that the same rules which as far as Allah's angels apply also to the angels of the God of Israel, don't you think? .

Who wrote your bible story? And who revealed Quran? Who is the creator between the writer of bible and Quran?

Two points to note:

1. There’s no Jubril in any of the verses you quoted. I think we are one on this point. Of course, your Google translate could always be of help.

2. On the translation, first off, our clerics are NOT infallible. Secondly, none of them gave farjah the meaning you gave it. You can’t cherry-pick.

In any event, the texts of the Quran is clear. Very very clear.

TenQ:


Qur'an 66:12
And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient.

Qur'an 66:12
And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Allah said: (Qur'an 66:12)
He blew into Mary's Farjah of his spirit


You said:

Here, I show you AS EVIDENCE what your Muslim Clerics said in their translation of the Qur'an

Allah explained How he blew into Mary's Farjah (Qur'an 91:12)
Again:
This is exactly how some of your Muslim translators printed the verse Qur'an 91:12!

Are they LYING?

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Sahih International:
And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Mohsin Khan:
And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Are you saying that some of your translators of your Islamic manuscripts are Liars!?

I think the above answers your question

Let's assume that you want to play the Dumb game by saying that it wasn't Jubril that blew the spirit into the Vagina of Mary, was it Allah?
If Allah

Was it Allah himself that opened up the skirt of Mary to blow into her Farjah (Vagina)?

Hypothetically, what stops Allah - the creator of Mariam - from blowing a Spirit into her from anywhere he wants to?

If, again hypothetically, a gynaecologist is to open up your mother’s skirt and perform operation in her vagina area, I doubt you’ll have a problem. Much more yhwh (of course, hypothetically)?

LegalWolf:
Two points to note:

1. There’s no Jubril in any of the verses you quoted. I think we are one on this point. Of course, your Google translate could always be of help.

REALLY!?

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Mohsin Khan:
And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).


No Jubril indeed!
LOL!!

LegalWolf:

2. On the translation, first off, our clerics are NOT infallible. Secondly, none of them gave farjah the meaning you gave it. You can’t cherry-pick.

In any event, the texts of the Quran is clear. Very very clear.

I think the above answers your question

So , you agree that I was only QUOTING your fallible scholars! LOL!

Didn't you ask me to provide evidence ?

But do you think these translators are Liars?
(Because you accused me of stating exactly their conclusion)

LegalWolf:

Hypothetically, what stops Allah - the creator of Mariam - from blowing a Spirit into her from anywhere he wants to?

If, again hypothetically, a gynaecologist is to open up your mother’s skirt and perform operation in her vagina area, I doubt you’ll have a problem. Much more yhwh (of course, hypothetically)?

Are you saying that Allah HIMSELF inflated Mary with baby Isa by putting his mouth on her Farjah and blowing hard into it?

Don't you think that Allah should have sent someone else to do this DIRTY job?
(I guess that was why your translators opted to give the dirty job to Jubril to do : but you think otherwise)

Lol

TenQ:

REALLY!?

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her through Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Mohsin Khan:
And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).


No Jubril indeed!
LOL!!



So , you agree that I was only QUOTING your fallible scholars! LOL!

Of course, the same way the Bible is imperfect so also every human being (including the translators of the Quran). Go check preface to some of their editions, some acknowledge their imperfection. So that’s fine.

Didn't you ask me to provide evidence ?

But do you think these translators are Liars?
(Because you accused me of stating exactly their conclusion)

Lol, you were not quoting directly any of the translators potential thief. Pray tell me EXACTLY which of them you quoted that translated the verse the way you did?

Are you saying that Allah HIMSELF inflated Mary with baby Isa by putting his mouth on her Farjah and blowing hard into it?

Don't you think that Allah should have sent someone else to do this DIRTY job?
(I guess that was why your translators opted to give the dirty job to Jubril to do : but you think otherwise)

Lol, you and I know Yehoshua was not excreted, or was he? Neither was he vomited, am I wrong?

your God came out of the vagina of Mary Again, to repeat, Yehoshua came out of Mary’s vagina. If he could come out from there, what stops the spirit through which he was formed going through there?

Ehn potential thief