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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 9:40am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Steep:Hebrew Ehyeh is @ Exodus 3:14 which you claim is "I am", the Jews disagree with that interpretation. Did you see Hebrews 1961 "Ehyeh Asher" @ Exodus 3:6? No ! " I am the God of..." @ Exodus 3:6 is NOT the same as "I am" @ Exodus 3:14, the Hebrew lexicon there is different. Oga,Understand the meaning of each word lexicon in your Bible. Do not mislead gullible folks on this forum,abeg you. Steep: Whereas KJV tanslated "Ehyeh" at Ruth 2:13, " I be" but changed to " I am" in Exodus 3:14. Screenshot. How many times is 'Ehyeh' translated as "I am" by all your Trinitarian Bible translators? The Jews were right to reject that popular rendition of Christendom at Exodus 3:14.
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 9:50am On Mar 05, 2023 |
tctrills:Q1. "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world," 1 John 4:14. The Father is the Supreme Saviour. Without His Command, his son won't save anybody. Q2. John 17:7, Jesus Christ confession. Q3. Acts 3:13,20,23Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is the God of Jesus Christ. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 9:57am On Mar 05, 2023 |
sharpgospel: Sorry to burst your bubble. Matthew 22:32 was copied from Exodus 3:6. Did you see "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" at Exodus 3:6 screenshot? No ! E no dey Exodus 3:6, e no go dey Matthew 22:32.  Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh for Christendom: 'I am what I am'. Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh for Jews: 'I will be what I will be.' Nah the Jews dey correct. Nah Jewish language.
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:59am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Janosky:The bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. So if you believe the Father is a Savior and Jesus is also a Savior, why do you find it Hard to believe that Jesus Christ is also the God of Israel |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by sharpgospel: 10:01am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Janosky: The usage in that context connotes it is present in tense. If it is copied, it means that this is the correct phrase. Therefore it supplies that Exodus 3:6 is 'I Am' not 'I Will Be'. From Mathew 22:32 Is He the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or will He become at a later date? As for the Jews, they are wrong about many things. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 10:02am On Mar 05, 2023 |
tctrills: Who sent Othniel the saviour? John 7:16 & John 3:16 repeated at 1 John 4:14, you either get it or continue deceiving yourself. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:04am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Janosky:I can see why you are uncomfortable quoting the verses you are mentioning. We both know that the bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. You modern Christians keep inventing strange things. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 10:07am On Mar 05, 2023 |
sharpgospel: Nah your English translators write "am" put inside Exodus 3:6, whereas the Hebrew Exodus 3:6 says " I the God of Abraham....." Present tense no dey Hebrew language. Oga,go & CHANGE the Exodus 3:6 Hebrew lexicon in your Bible. Matter closed. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 10:09am On Mar 05, 2023 |
tctrills: Revelation 3:12 in heaven Jesus Christ confessed himself is a worshipper of my God Jehovah. Oga, continue your rants. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by sharpgospel: 10:09am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Janosky:You've chosen what to believe. Farewell. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 10:12am On Mar 05, 2023 |
sharpgospel:I believe the holy scriptures in the original language, which is Hebrew, more accurate than the Maggi & noodles sometimes added to the English Versions. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:12am On Mar 05, 2023 |
Janosky:Since you don't know who Jesus Christ is, please read his own words and learn. Revelation 1 King James Version 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 6:58pm On Mar 06, 2023 |
tctrills:Revelation 1:1 the revelation which God Almighty gave Jesus. Revelation 1:6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father......" "Serve his God and Father", Greek Revelation 1:6. Revelation 1:6 = Revelation 3:12. 3 deities slave deceiving himself. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 7:09pm On Mar 06, 2023 |
tctrills: Mumu WAILER,who does the Almighty worship? Nobody. Who did Jesus Christ worship? Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus worship The God Almighty. John 17:7, Jesus confessed he was given the titles in Revelation chapter 1. Oga, you 3 deities slaves don't know Jesus of the holy scriptures. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 12:54am On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky: I just laugh the way you write verses without knowing what they contain and they are so not connected to the argument. If you were not so occupied with fighting and insulting, you would have read the verses I took the pains to paste word for word and you would have learnt that Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end, clearly stated. Now if the bible calls Jesus Christ the beginning and the end, the Savior and even God, why can't you open your eyes and see that he is the God of Israel. I guess what I pasted was too long for you to read so read just 2 verses. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 1:00am On Mar 07, 2023 |
[quote author=Janosky post=121527801] [b]Revelation 1:1 the revelation which God Almighty gave Jesus. what's your point here. Revelation 1:6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father......" We both agree with this just the same way I believe in John 1.1 "Serve his God and Father", Greek Revelation 1:6. Revelation 1:6 = Revelation 3:12. 3 deities slave deceiving himself. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Now no one said Jesus Christ does not have a father but just as I and my father bear the same name, Jesus Christ and his Father are both God and the bible clearly teaches that in both the old and new testament. Do you now understand? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 1:24am On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky:Do we have 2 saviours? Do we have 2 beginning and end Do we have 2 Father's (Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father and I bet you his father is also and Everlasting Father. Yet you fail to understand that Jesus Christ is God like his father. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:03pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills: I hereby confirm & expose your DUBIOUS attempt to divert attention from the questions you dodge. Oga, answer the 2 questions with the words of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12. Who did Jesus Christ worship @ Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12? John 17:7, who did Jesus confess gave him the titles in Revelation chapter 1? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:14pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills:Tctrill the polytheist confessed he has 2 Gods, Father & Son. Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus tell Tctrill Jesus is a Worshipper? Does Tctrill Worship the God of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:16pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills:Tctrill the polytheist confessed he has 2 Gods-One God Father & another God, Son. Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus tell Tctrill Jesus is a Worshipper? Did the God of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12 Worship His Son? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by omovudu(m): 2:47pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
It's a blasphemy for a so-called christian or anyone to say that Christ is God, that's hight of ignorance or stupidity. Christ never for once or by mistake called himself God, in fact he made it clear when he said in the bible John 17:3-And this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true GOD and Christ whom you sent ... second in another verse , John 20:17,he said I I'm ascending to my father and your father and to my GOD and your GOD. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:54pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills: Judges 3:9, Othniel is a Saviour. Judges 3:15 , another Saviour. Psalm 107:13 is the Saviour who appoint His son a saviour in 1 John 4:14. In your own Bible,There were many saviours appointed by The Almighty Saviour of Psalm 107:13. tctrills:John 17:7, Jesus Christ says you are very deluded. Jesus Christ was appointed. The titles does not make them the same person. Even your 3 deities mentors @ Nicene said the Father is NOT Jesus Christ. tctrills:Slave of delusion Did your 3 deities mentors at Nicene tell you Jesus and his Father are the same Father? tctrills:They are NOT the same Father therefore not what you claimed. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27,45 his Father is NOT last Adam. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 3:55pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
[quote author=Janosky post=121548345] Judges 3:9, Othniel is a Saviour. Judges 3:15 , another Saviour. Psalm 107:13 is the Saviour who appoint His son a saviour in 1 John 4:14. So in essence 2 Saviours. 2 God's. 2 Person's labeled as the beginning and the end In your own Bible,There were many saviours appointed by The Almighty Saviour of Psalm 107:13. please make yourself clear here. What is your point. John 17:7, Jesus Christ says you are very deluded. Jesus Christ was appointed. The titles does not make them the same person. Even your 3 deities mentors @ Nicene said the Father is NOT Jesus Christ. I have never said Jesus Christ and his Father are the same person you are mistaking me for someone else. Please put yourself together and calm down. Slave of delusion Did your 3 deities mentors at Nicene tell you Jesus and his Father are the same Father? Mr rudeboy, I never said Jesus Christ and his Father are the same. You seem very agitated. They are NOT the same Father therefore not what you claimed. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27,45 his Father is NOT last Adam. Now since you obviously mistook me for someone else, here is what I have been telling you. Both Jesus Christ and his Father are God according to the bible. Jesus Christ is the great I Am of the old testament. He is the Jehovah of the Old testament. His father is not Jehovah. Exodus 6:3 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Zechariah 12 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 4:00pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky:You seem confused, why would a God worship his son. What is your point exactly. I was not the one that crowned Jesus Christ a God. The bible teaches so. If you have a problem about Jesus Christ being God please argue with your bible and not me. My duty is to read the bible and accept it's teachings or is John 1.1 not part of your own bible? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 4:02pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky:You are bringing up irrelevant things. If Jesus Christ worshipped his father how does that show he is not God? I ask you again oga was it not written in your bible that Jesus Christ is God? Also, Revelation 1.6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen The verse never said Jesus Christ worshipped anyone. Or can't you read. Please read before you quote. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 4:50pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills:Revelation 1:6 & 3:12 PROVEN that the Seniority is in heaven you are here deluding yourself. Please read the screenshot of Revelation 1:6 "His God and Father (his Senior, Elder)." @ @Revelation 3:12 Jesus said "my God"? Both verses, John the apostle confirmed Jesus is a Worshipper of God, his Father (his Senior, Elder).
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 5:30pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills:Tctrill said "both are God". Oga, you have admitted both are NOT equal. Oga,you worship 2 unequal Beings Therefore, Jesus is NOT his God. More so,The ONE true God is Superior over Jesus, John 17:3. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 6:39pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky:Oga your argument makes no sense. Even if they are not equal, how that mean that Jesus is not God. Please explain your logic. So if your house is bigger than my house does it mean mine is not a house? John 1. 1 |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 6:42pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Janosky:The argument was never about seniority in heaven. Please stop losing concentration. I am only teaching you that your bible tells that Jesus Christ is God. Is his father senior to him? Yes But if you don't believe the bible, it's up to you. Question for you.. what did Jesus Christ call himself the beginning and the end? Are there 2 beginnings and ends |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:53pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills: Please quote or cite a verse where the Bible says: "Jesus IS God" There is no verse from Genesis to Revelation where it's written that way. John said: "the word WAS God" because Jesus only served as God for a point in time just as Moses also served as God at a point in time. Exodus 7:1 Jehovah is the one and only person who IS God, all other Gods are lesser than Him because he permitted them to act as God for a reason there IS no other God but one! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29 |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 7:01pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:You just quoted that the word was God. Oga your bible never said Moses was God stop being funny. And yes Jesus Christ is Jehovah. Please read John 1.1 It seems you are assuming that at some point, Jesus Christ stopped being God. But that is not biblical so I can't join you in such believe. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 7:38pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
tctrills: God is NOT a House, your analogy faulty. God will NOT, NEVER worship his son. His son is NOT Almighty God. Jesus converted Paul. 1 Corinthians 11:1-3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, did Paul worship Jesus you worship? The ONLY Theos (God) is ONLY the Father, Jesus Christ said that, John 17:3. Emphasis.... ONLY stands ALONE. Paul the apostle repeated that,1 Corinthians 8:6. The God (ho Theos) of gods (theoi), Deuteronomy 10:17, his sons are theoi (gods), says Jesus , John10:34-36. Is Jesus his son? Jesus is a god ,theoi. |
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