Amedino99:
the u20 is not the place to be boasting about raw talent. They are going to be playing against guys who are already in first teams of European clubs in the world cup. Pit the raw talents against these guys and see how they perform. It's not rocket science the reason we have not been able to win the u20 world cup. Raw talents and overage players can only get us the u17. Priotise youth players that are already in clubs and the academy and see how our u20 story changes.

AndSunGorilla:

Our own Forgiveness talked about his experience with his son at the beyond limits academy and one thing he said was, it was clear to me after their trip that talent isn't enough, technicality and tactics is extremely important.

Danielnino00:


That is just it..
Talking about Beyond limits, they beat Remo Stars 3-2 in the state FA cup game today
Juniors don beat their seniors.. lol

Danielnino00:


My comment isn't really because of the 7-0 thrashing... The season Liverpool lost to Villa 7-2 we were in a very bad shape..... We still managed to finish 3rd that season...Man Utd are supposedly in their best form in years according to their fans,but you have lost games by embarrassing scorelines this season and are 3rd, just 7 points ahead of us with a game in hand for us... Just goes to show that Ten Haag isn't building anything special like you guys are trying to make it look...
Anyway, time we tell....

charlesemeka85:
leave fools mk dem dey display stupidity n ignorance

codemaniacs:


Doing open trials for u20 players is madness..

unless the open trials is strictly for players from academies or an u20 football league.

You can't compare the football intelligence of an U20 player who joined an academy when he was 8 years old and has been playing different leagues and tournaments since he was 8 years old to a street footballer who only plays football occasionally.

That's one of the reasons Nigeria doesn't have players who are 18 or 19 already playing in Europe or UCL because the club that signs them sends them to junior teams.

Players like onyeka and onyedika and the other guy a Danish club recently signed have never played u20 football for the flying eagles and they got signed by European clubs because the academy they were in is affiliated with the European club and because they were already in an academy.

hatakekakashi:

You've still not shown why you think Ten hag is not building the team after just half a season and one TW with the club. Is this not a better Man Utd than last season.

I know you prefer Ole continuing as coach than Ten hag for obvious reasons 😂. Same reason why we all love Potter.

Danielnino00:


Two problem with this plan is that:
1) You will end up selecting players who may not be in the right age bracket since theres no MRI for u-20 to ascertain their age range. Also, some academy or professional club players might disguise as street players just fot the trail, and we would end up selecting the same players we tried to avoid..


2) It all sounds good,until we get to the world cup and meet teams filled with u-20 players that have already started playing first team football...In football,talent is one thing, tactics and technicality are another thing entirely...

I still believe that the best way out is to develop youth football in the NPFL... The NPFL u-15 development programme is a good initiative that's yielding fruits already.. they should take it further up and introduce more youth teams... It would also help NPFL teams recruit players better

AndSunGorilla:

Our own Forgiveness talked about his experience with his son at the beyond limits academy and one thing he said was, it was clear to me after their trip that talent isn't enough, technicality and tactics is extremely important.

TheGoodJoe:


Even after doing the NPFL U-15 development programme, you are not going to capture all the top talents in the country with it. The idea is to find the best players available and open trials give that.

You talk of age as if the other ways do not have players with falsified age in the system.

Unless the NPFL system can cater for over a hundred thousand kids, it can't help give us a proper selection process.

We need all systems contributing and open trials to be the benchmark to break into the squad.

If a player who has been in an academy for 15 years can not perform better than a player who has been playing on the street in an open trial, the academy-developed player has no place in the U20 team.

Finito.

Danielnino00:


I already did... Its all in my post.. Don't sorry, all the celebration will calm down by season end.. we will all be here..

Ole, Ten Haag or Potter, I don't care who our rivals appoint as coach . Guardiola is the only coach who has constantly given Klopp problems... The rest na just vibes

hatakekakashi:

Bruv, pesin look Man UTD last season and this season, talk say the coach is not building anything😂.

hatakekakashi:

You've deviated from the real matter, boss😅. Nobody is comparing anybody with Klopp. Why did you think Ten hag is not building the team after half a season and one TW? Building a solid team takes more than a whole season sef, especially if the team was so bad, they were lucky to finish sixth the season before.

You said we'll all be here by the end of the season, to do what exactly? The only thing ETH can do to deserve criticisms by the end of the season is to drop out of top 4. Anything else is extra, even his employers (Glazers) didn't expect instant success when he was signed.

I don't want to use the first season of other top coaches to compare ETH's cos I don't like belittling other people's efforts.

Danielnino00:


That is where private academies come in to fill the deficit... Let me ask you, what's the aim of the u-20 world cup? Is it not to nurture talents for the future? So how would you gather street boys who are talented but lack the tactical and technical acumen of the game? When they go to the world cup, they will obviously meet teams better than them and be humbled.. The NFF in it's usual fashion would just abandon them..So what will we benefit in the end? Don't forget that we need the u-20 to feed players to the u-23 and super eagles too...
If it is about u-17, I can very much agree... But u-20 requires more of professionalism... Imagine if Norway had conducted Open trail for it's u-20.. Halaand probably wont have shoot into the limelight as quickly as he did..he was already a professional at his club,so it was easy for him to get signed by Salzburg. An u-20 player is supposed to be close to hitting his prime...

charlesemeka85:
no be everybody wey dey here dey sane na

Madness no be only when person naked run enter market or street 🤣🤣🤣🤣

typicalgamer:


I’m telling and I’m beating my chest

That on an open trials
Only about 5 of these u20 players will get picked and that’s a sad fact you don’t want to admit to

Streets beats academy in terms of raw talent.

TheGoodJoe:


You are making it look like the talents identified will just go from the streets to the World Cup. These guys get to work with the coaches in camp for over a year.

We should stop using the Europeans as a benchmark. Look at Spain for instance, all the clubs till the third or even fourth divisions, have academies, with coaches with pro licenses.

These clubs have the ability to scout the best talents across the country and the FAs do little in scouting and identifying talents. Nigeria is a long way from there. So, using how they got Haaland and co. to judge how we should scout talents is unrealistic.

We have a lot of special talents that have no means of exposure.

So, what we then do is plug the gap by finding exceptional talents, and bringing them up to speed tactically.

If they are better than the academy and professional boys, they are best for the team.

Danielnino00:

You said we shouldn't use the European model, and then go on to say something like the players will be in camp with the coach for a year? Bro which year? In Nigeria, we don't plan for youth tournaments until they are close by.. the team might even be without a coach until a few months to the start of a tournament,then you see them gathering players here and there.. How would such system favour players from the street who need time to be refined?
Let's be realistic...

hatakekakashi:

You've deviated from the real matter, boss😅. Nobody is comparing anybody with Klopp. Why did you think Ten hag is not building the team after half a season and one TW? Building a solid team takes more than a whole season sef, especially if the team was so bad, they were lucky to finish sixth the season before.

You said we'll all be here by the end of the season, to do what exactly? The only thing ETH can do to deserve criticisms by the end of the season is to drop out of top 4. Anything else is extra, even his employers (Glazers) didn't expect instant success when he was signed.

I don't want to use the first season of other top coaches to compare ETH's cos I don't like belittling other people's efforts.

typicalgamer:


I’m telling and I’m beating my chest

That on an open trials
Only about 5 of these u20 players will get picked and that’s a sad fact you don’t want to admit to

Streets beats academy in terms of raw talent.

TheGoodJoe:


The U20 does not work like that. Why do you think Emmanuel Amunike was able to play about 50 matches with his U20 team? It was because he camped for a long time with them.

The idea is to have a team of quality professional and academy-trained players, while you built a top-grade team B made from scouting through open trials. Then towards the regular camping, you do the final screening. The aim is to find the best players, not the best opportuned players.

Finito.

TheGoodJoe:


You are running with your own perception. The screening process I posted was done by Emmanuel Amunike. Keep in mind, he trained under Sir Bobby Robson, one of the best tacticians of the game. He trained under Luis Van Gaal and was part of one of the best-scouted Super Eagles era (USA 94 and Atlanta 96 teams).

So, calling it madness is funny. Instead, you should learn from him.

Keep in mind, he was part of those that scouted the likes of Isaac Success, Kelechi Iheanacho, Wilfred Ndidi, Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Nwakali, Victor Osimhen, and Chukwueze. He knows his stuff.

Now, what he is looking for are gems. Let me explain what gems are. When Diego Maradona joined Argentinos Juniors, I think he was 10 years old, his manager said, he could not teach Maradona anything. He knew it all at that age.

What the open trials are for, is to find special talents. Yes, you can find them on the streets. When you find these special players, you give them a crash course in tactical play. As soon as they assimilate the basics, they grow from there. And, yes, they can even outclass players that grew up playing in some of the best academies in the world.

Danielnino00:


I concede defeat.. Ten Haag is building something very special...Next season, and hopefully without our man Osimhen,he would win the quadruple he got you guys to dream about this season...

hatakekakashi:

No p, boss.

But seriously, which EPL team do you wish Osihmen joins next season? Liverpool and City are out since their attack is stacked already. I personally think he'll score more at Arsenal. Plus I heard arsenal are leading the race for him.

codemaniacs:


Kelechi Iheanacho, Wilfred Ndidi, Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Nwakali, Victor Osimhen, and Chukwueze were already playing in academies they were never street footballer.

Diego maradona's manager said that after Maradona had become an accomplished player he didn't say it when Maradona was 10 years old..

do you expect him to say negative things about Maradona the same way some Nigerians on this thread say negative things about Nigerian footballers

Special talents can never be found on the streets because if they had special talents they'll already be in an academy.

hatakekakashi:

😂😂No p, boss.

But seriously, which EPL team do you wish Osihmen joins next season? Liverpool and City are out since their attack is stacked already. I personally think he'll score more at Arsenal. Plus I heard arsenal are leading the race for him.

Danielnino00:

At the end of the 50 game period, the team failed to qualify for the world cup.. Aside the u-17 players from the 2015 world cup that were integrated into the team, the bulk of the others have gone into oblivion..
There's not so much the national U-20 team can do for these guys... Once the tournament is done with, they are on their own, unless their agents can leverage on their performance to get them good clubs..

Danielnino00:

At the end of the 50 game period, the team failed to qualify for the world cup.. Aside the u-17 players from the 2015 world cup that were integrated into the team, the bulk of the others have gone into oblivion..
There's not so much the national U-20 team can do for these guys... Once the tournament is done with, they are on their own, unless their agents can leverage on their performance to get them good clubs..