triplechoice:


But you have not been able to show how it's not based on a set of beliefs.

For instance, how is it not a belief that the living Eck master is God's only true representative on earth?
As for AWARE 11 , please stop mentioning anything about it because you have shown that you have no knowledge about what they're doing. They have no means to confirm or see what people experience subjectively, but have devise a means to verify what people report during NDE.

Go and read the report first before passing judgement. What you continue to say about AWARE 11 is completely off the mark and it's annoying you keep repeating it with the confidence of someone who's abreast with what is being done

I can bet you $1 that whatever the report, all you're getting is 2D data as "confirmation". Since you know about the report, kindly summarize here. It will be nothing to go home with.

Brain effect of OBE experiences can be perfectly replicated with some of the fantastic drugs and herbs out there if you don't know. Alpha, Delta and theta states of the brain are just what the scanners wil be able to capture. Nothing more.

If you employ advanced means like Soul Travel however, you get the main thing like the scientist I told you of earlier whose report you're not getting online. So for science to properly investigate mere Supra physical event, they need better machines than 2D-reporting ones.

chieveboy:


I can bet you $1 that whatever the report, all you're getting is 2D data as "confirmation". Since you know about the report, kindly summarize here. It will be nothing to go home with.

Brain effect of OBE experiences can be perfectly replicated with some of the fantastic drugs and herbs out there if you don't know. Alpha, Delta and theta states of the brain are just what the scanners wil be able to capture. Nothing more.

If you employ advanced means like Soul Travel however, you get the main thing like the scientist I told you of earlier whose report you're not getting online. So for science to properly investigate mere Supra physical event, they need better machines than 2D-reporting ones.

My question is, what do you know about the methods they're employing?

Scientists don't always see directly the things they're dealing with, but through the use of certain methods they're able to confirm if a particular element, not visible to the naked eye or instrumentation, is present somewhere. True or false?

AWARE11 researchers haven't gotten to the stage where they can see images( don't think that would ever be possible) in people's head.

They research is still at its elementary stage so nothing is completely confirmed yet.

At the moment,they're only concentrating on the veridical aspect of NDE in order to verify if the experience is hallucinatory or not. I admit they have some limitations, but it's not as you think.

So far, they have only succeeded in confirming just one case .Its not an easy task when you consider the nature of the experience.

If you don't know what's veridical perception during NDE, you won't understand what I'm talking about.



It's not possible to have veridical perception without an OBE.

However, skeptics have argued that it's not even possible to have an OBE in the first place.

So whom do we believe?

Do you know what veridical perception is during NDE and how it's confirmed?


It won't make sense to share a link about something you may not understand.

Go through the below

https://neuroskoki.pl/en/awareness-during-resuscitation-results-of-the-study/

chieveboy:




Firstly, merely judging by how in-your-face I had been with you, never could you have mistaken any of it as some (fake) humility.

In my outer life, I have taken on a certain group of 'giants' who further have potent juju...

Perhaps you didn't notice me until when you introduced whatever led to you getting it without unnecessary filters. It was an honest mistake on your path to mistake me for some meek Eckist as requested.


Secondly, I have consumed too many of such before requesting Eckankar membership. Too many. Some of the questions and comments you may find some of these anti-Eckankar forums may be mine. Some are even off the internet. I further saw when a new group left Eckankar creating their own path.

Attached is a screenshots that may pass as a de-marketing of Paul to you written by Harold Klemp himself.

How does it concern or affect me if you're a meek eckist or not. I cannot know everything about you from Nairaland. My reaction is from what you have displayed here on this board.

Concerning your so call demarketing of Paul by Harold, you surely don't know the complete story of why he did that.

triplechoice:


My question is, what do you know about the methods they're employing?

You're taking it too far, what objective call confirmation had their methods and tools delivered so far? What qualifies as "confirmation"? 2D images and and some texts? I don't think so

Scientists don't always see directly the things they're dealing with, but through the use of certain methods they're able to confirm if a particular element, not visible to the naked eye or instrumentation, is present somewhere. True or false?

True, and all we would and accept as fact or "proven" would then be mostly some aftereffects of 'reality' and facts that we take home as reality.

It becomes more unrealizable especially how results rely 100% on the hypothesis or theory inspiring the manufacture of the scientific tools and methodologies. You will see why I said this:

Natural science as far as it relies on physical tools, theories and hypothesis is a science of the aftermath of reality in it's most nearest meta-physical (not the stereo "metaphysical" ) definition, this is premised on the fact that the building blocks of what earthlings term reality are entirely non-local to our space-time domain. Basically, we're saying all we deal with here are aftermaths of 'finer' if not, 'true' realities.

This introduces the premise of half-truths or half knowledge which in most cases is an outright lie. Take the example of seeing a half moon and reporting it (A moon) as a crescent, and then all scientists in that domain build machines and methodologies that deals with crescents--disaster or a lie at best.

AWARE11 researchers haven't gotten to the stage where they can see images( don't think that would ever be possible) in people's head.

It's possible to see images my friend, and it had been done elsewhere already. I am not disposed to state where and by whom and pleeeease, move on and don't dwell on this. Didn't we all say that there is more than meets the eye?

Meanwhile, that the 'aware' guys didn't see images, sights and sounds means there are in the premise of half truths and outright lies. An OBE is not an MRI scan image neither is it whatever any 2D electronic data scientists chose to accept as a confirmation for an OBE. And OBE is an OBE, anything short of SEEing, BEing and KNOWing is a spectating of effects, and yes, Scientists in this same world we dwell do this (seeing, being and knowing).

That we should go with AWARE2's report for confirmation of NDE or OBE is an invitation to accept a very misleading information. We would only be romancing a mirage brought about by the 'granduer' of saying "we're scientifically proving NDE" and the drama surrounding the venture. We humans do that, for instance, we sold our kidneys for iPhone 4s.

They research is still at its elementary stage so nothing is completely confirmed yet.

At the moment,they're only concentrating on the veridical aspect of NDE in order to verify if the experience is hallucinatory or not. I admit they have some limitations, but it's not as you think.

So far, they have only succeeded in confirming just one case .Its not an easy task when you consider the nature of the experience.

This sounds like there isn't much to go home with is there? No harm in trying though, they should keep trying.

If you don't know what's veridical perception during NDE, you won't understand what I'm talking about.

It took me 1 minute to probe and grasp this.

I am not sure how this makes sense by the end of the day given the basic meaning of the term. Scientists are saying a 'Veridical perception' is when someone is seeing a plate of Akpu and describing the Akpu they all know.

Question is when one is having an OBE, supposing they hear sounds humans do not hear? Does this pass as veridical? It's simple, the dogs hear the dog whistle but we humans do not. When a human now hears this during an OBE, are we saying hearing sounds at ultrasound level is hallucinatory?

This question is if we do not extend it to seeing Buildings, people, etc during NDEs and OBEs that do not look anything like our conventions.

It's not possible to have veridical perception without an OBE.

I want to guess the root word in "Veridical" is "Very" because veridical basically means 'truth' according to the internet.

You statement here negates the meaning of a veridical perception. If you leave me, the term means imagining or "seeing" things that we have on earth and nothing more. Perception is not only via OBE. We perceive the smell of food daily and it's veridical. If we perceive food however and no obvious or hidden food around, we're hallucinating?That's the meaning of the term and it's application.

However, skeptics have argued that it's not even possible to have an OBE in the first place. So whom do we believe?

The skepticism arises from the issue about natural sciences I have told you earlier--that of studying and experimenting after-effects of reality. The drugs, the microscopes, the machines, etc are all inspired by second-class information. Not entirely bad because we dwell in the domain of after-effects and we can 'create' more of such for our daily lives. Half truths can be outright lies however.

Do you know what veridical perception is during NDE and how it's confirmed?


It won't make sense to share a link about something you may not understand.

Go through the below

https://neuroskoki.pl/en/awareness-during-resuscitation-results-of-the-study/

I did, I was surprised to find that the research depends 90% on the experiences of people (see screenshot). People where made to identify pictures and events while outside their bodies. I recall you faulted this scientific method. How people come from no where and identify the ECK Masters like even me.

All the while, I was thinking AWARE2 'gets inside the head' of the Subjects with some special device, probe and send brain wave or activity scans as 2D images or frequencies.

Veridical perception lastly dismisses hallucinations", further on what I said earlier. It is a big mistake arising from too much romance with half knowledge and half truths which are lies mostly. If anything, hallucinations stretches the human sensoria to extents where further realities are observed comfortably or uncomfortably. Thanks

chieveboy:
If you love, then all things will come to you. At some point love will begin to direct all your actions and thoughts. Then you can accept life.

—Harold Klemp
The Awakened Heart

Hello. Please can you you shed more light on this?

chieveboy:


You're taking it too far, what objective call confirmation had their methods and tools delivered so far? What qualifies as "confirmation"? 2D images and and some texts? I don't think so




True, and all we would and accept as fact or "proven" would then be mostly some aftereffects of 'reality' and facts that we take home as reality.

It becomes more unrealizable especially how results rely 100% on the hypothesis or theory inspiring the manufacture of the scientific tools and methodologies. You will see why I said this:

Natural science as far as it relies on physical tools, theories and hypothesis is a science of the aftermath of reality in it's most nearest meta-physical (not the stereo "metaphysical" ) definition, this is premised on the fact that the building blocks of what earthlings term reality are entirely non-local to our space-time domain. Basically, we're saying all we deal with here are aftermaths of 'finer' if not, 'true' realities.

This introduces the premise of half-truths or half knowledge which in most cases is an outright lie. Take the example of seeing a half moon and reporting it (A moon) as a crescent, and then all scientists in that domain build machines and methodologies that deals with crescents--disaster or a lie at best.





It's possible to see images my friend, and it had been done elsewhere already. I am not disposed to state where and by whom and pleeeease, move on and don't dwell on this. Didn't we all say that there is more than meets the eye?

Meanwhile, that the 'aware' guys didn't see images, sights and sounds means there are in the premise of half truths and outright lies. An OBE is not an MRI scan image neither is it whatever any 2D electronic data scientists chose to accept as a confirmation for an OBE. And OBE is an OBE, anything short of SEEing, BEing and KNOWing is a spectating of effects, and yes, Scientists in this same world we dwell do this (seeing, being and knowing).

That we should go with AWARE2's report for confirmation of NDE or OBE is an invitation to accept a very misleading information. We would only be romancing a mirage brought about by the 'granduer' of saying "we're scientifically proving NDE" and the drama surrounding the venture. We humans do that, for instance, we sold our kidneys for iPhone 4s.



This sounds like there isn't much to go home with is there? No harm in trying though, they should keep trying.



It took me 1 minute to probe and grasp this.

I am not sure how this makes sense by the end of the day given the basic meaning of the term. Scientists are saying a 'Veridical perception' is when someone is seeing a plate of Akpu and describing the Akpu they all know.

Question is when one is having an OBE, supposing they hear sounds humans do not hear? Does this pass as veridical? It's simple, the dogs hear the dog whistle but we humans do not. When a human now hears this during an OBE, are we saying hearing sounds at ultrasound level is hallucinatory?

This question is if we do not extend it to seeing Buildings, people, etc during NDEs and OBEs that do not look anything like our conventions.



I want to guess the root word in "Veridical" is "Very" because veridical basically means 'truth' according to the internet.

You statement here negates the meaning of a veridical perception. If you leave me, the term means imagining or "seeing" things that we have on earth and nothing more. Perception is not only via OBE. We perceive the smell of food daily and it's veridical. If we perceive food however and no obvious or hidden food around, we're hallucinating?That's the meaning of the term and it's application.





The skepticism arises from the issue about natural sciences I have told you earlier--that of studying and experimenting after-effects of reality. The drugs, the microscopes, the machines, etc are all inspired by second-class information. Not entirely bad because we dwell in the domain of after-effects and we can 'create' more of such for our daily lives. Half truths can be outright lies however.



I did, I was surprised to find that the research depends 90% on the experiences of people (see screenshot). People where made to identify pictures and events while outside their bodies. I recall you faulted this scientific method. How people come from no where and identify the ECK Masters like even me.

All the while, I was thinking AWARE2 'gets inside the head' of the Subjects with some special device, probe and send brain wave or activity scans as 2D images or frequencies.

Veridical perception lastly dismisses hallucinations", further on what I said earlier. It is a big mistake arising from too much romance with half knowledge and half truths which are lies mostly. If anything, hallucinations stretches the human sensoria to extents where further realities are observed comfortably or uncomfortably. Thanks

I will come back to respond to this later.

In the meantime you still don't understand what's veridical perception during NDE.

That's why you struggle to understand the article . Please do some further readings on the subject.

Finally ,nobody was made to identify pictures. as you put it. It's not possible to make an unconscious person during cardiac arrest to do such.a thing. They were only ask what they experienced during that period to see if it comes confirms with what was going on in that environment during that unconscious state when they are not supposed to have any kind of awareness.

Read what you wrote again and ask yourself, how is it possible for the researchers to make people identify pictures while outside their bodies? How can they see they're outside their bodies to start asking them that?

Read the article again.

They had been told that he would be wearing the finest suit of clothing, but no one wanted to think or say that he wasn't wearing anything, so they fell into the illusion that they were also seeing the emperor in a fine suit of clothing and applauded him as he went by.

This went on for a while, until a little boy in the crowd who came from a village far away caught a glimpse of the emperor in his underwear.

The little boy hadn't heard that the emperor was supposed to be wearing the finest suit of clothing ever made and saw the situation for what it was. He called aloud, 'Look! The emperor is parading about in his underwear!'

"At that, the emperor, realizing that he'd been had by the two con men, felt embarrassment; and the crowd, upon seeing the emperor becoming aware of his situation, broke into jeering laughter. The illusion had been broken by the little boy who spoke the truth."

Cont'd.

Gopal Das continued, chuckling to himself about the story. "The correlation of this little tale and the dream state, is this: The truth was that the emperor was walking about in his underwear.

The censor was represented by the illusion of the fine suit. The little boy and his candid remarks represent the waking state's decoding of the censor's scramblings of truth.

The fact is, though, that many don't ever achieve the ability to decode these dream messages in their waking state, so the message of truth is lost to the dreamer.

Cont'd

It would be like the emperor and the crowd forever believing that the emperor was indeed wearing fine clothing, but at the same time, all would be going about their business with an uncomfortable, unresolved feeling that something was not quite right.

This is because they had not decoded the message that the censor had scrambled. You'll notice in the story, when the little boy called out the truth, the illusion was snapped, and everyone 'woke up' to the truth. It's the same in life.

Once you can consciously wake up and see the illusions presented to you in your dreams, this same ability will become stronger in your waking state. You'll be able to see the illusions others try to throw at you.

Cont'd

"Now here are some ways for you to develop these skills: Upon arising from sleep, write down the impressions and remembrances of your dreams.

Write down the feelings you have, for feelings don't lie, and later on they may reveal the memory of a dream forgotten.

As you write these dreams down, write any thoughts that come to you as to why you may have dreamed it. Look for the truth. Become the little boy who isn't swayed by the illusion—call out the truth, even if it may surprise or be slightly unpleasant.

It's less unpleasant to face an ugly truth and deal with it honestly, than to live with it and let it build power into the illusion to loom over you because you're afraid to face it.

Cont'd

Periodically look over the dream journal, perhaps once a month, to see any patterns that may be forming. And look for the correlations of your dreams to your daily life situations.

When you have conflicts, look to your dreams, for they will always reveal the causes of your problems, if you know how to decode the censor's message."

As Gopal Das was finishing his last sentence, I noticed we were rounding the last corner of the temple and coming to the place where we had started.

"Well! I guess this concludes our tour of Askleposis!" he said, stopping at the spot where we first met and shook hands. "Feel free to come for another visit," he said cordially.

Cont'd.

He and Wah Z shook hands once more, and we left the temple. Once outside the massive doors, I could hear the children playing in the gardens surrounding the great temple.

Their little voices laughed and shouted louder and louder, until they seemed to condense into one high, feverish pitch. What was once a pleasant garden of tranquility was rapidly becoming an air-raid siren, screeching and causing a panic.

The whole city seemed to collapse into nightmarish destruction like a cardboard dollhouse full of pretty colors getting stepped on, to be tossed into a trash can.

Cont'd.

I turned to Wah Z with beseeching eyes. "What's going on?" I said helplessly.

Wah Z just looked at me with that calm smiling countenance, as if nothing in the world was wrong or different. All he said, was, "See you on the other side!"

Then the whole world folded in on itself.
* * *
My eyes popped open. The shrill screeching was the alarm clock going off, waking me up for the morning's work.

I found myself in bed, panting, trying to figure out who, where, and what I was. A second later, I rolled out of bed and pushed the button of the alarm clock to silence the insanity it was bringing.

I sat down on the corner of my bed in a disheveled state of not-quite-in-the-body-yet.

Cont'd.

"What was I dreaming about?" I said, scratching my head and yawning.

I had the feeling that something really deep and helpful had happened while I was asleep, but I couldn't remember anything.

I started to head for the bathroom to begin my morning ablutions, when I remembered seeing Wah Z in my dreams. He had said something about "see you on the other side."

I wondered, what did he mean by that? Then it hit me as I was turning on the shower. A single word came to me: Askleposis.

Cont'd.

I ran to my desk to get a pen and paper and started writing down the dream that was now coming to me.

I guess it must have looked a little comical, me sitting at my desk writing furiously, while the shower water was furiously running, unattended, in the bathroom.

But I didn't care, the details of where I had spent the night were coming out just as furiously as the water from the shower. As I wrote, it occurred to me that just as I had used the morning shower to awaken me, now as I wrote my dreams on paper, it felt like I was waking up.

The end


* Wah Z is the spiritual name of Sri Harold Klemp.


"Awakening," excerpted from In the Company of ECK Masters, copyright © 1987 Phil Morimitsu. Published by ECKANKAR. All rights reserved.

SisterAnn:
Hello. Please can you you shed more light on this?

Hello Sister,

We humans tend to understand love to be "I love you" and when we "show love to someone". Quite true in a sense.

Love is actually more like a 'force' if we may call it so. "I love you" is what happens after this force passes through the heart of the person saying so, or it makes the experiencer of the force to do a charitable act or be empathic generally.


This force is what was used to create creation. Its the cement of creation literally. If Love was a language, we would say it is this language that was used to create anything and everything.

Creation then answers to Love. In the human body, the primary channel for it is the heart. Asides from the heart doctors see, there is an energetic one which we use to feel this force.

If you imagine anything and fill it with this sweet force, your imagination will get life. This is the breath of life.

Most times, an open hearted person easily gets things they need. Not 'everything', because that would bother on covetousness which is not Love, contentment and such are how this force makes someone to feel, reason and behave.


Thanks.

triplechoice:


I will come back to respond to this later.

In the meantime you still don't understand what's veridical perception during NDE.

That's why you struggle to understand the article . Please do some further readings on the subject.

Finally ,nobody was made to identify pictures. as you put it. It's not possible to make an unconscious person during cardiac arrest to do such.a thing. They were only ask what they experienced during that period to see if it comes confirms with what was going on in that environment during that unconscious state when they are not supposed to have any kind of awareness.

Read what you wrote again and ask yourself, how is it possible for the researchers to make people identify pictures while outside their bodies? How can they see they're outside their bodies to start asking them that?

Read the article again.

Please do create a thread on this and invite me. Scientists have long done justice to the matter of NDEs or OBEs as far back as the 70s. These guys (AWARE11) are rather elementary comparably. Thanks.

chieveboy:


Hello Sister,

We humans tend to understand love to be "I love you" and when we "show love to someone". Quite true in a sense.

Love is actually more like a 'force' if we may call it so. "I love you" is what happens after this force passes through the heart of the person saying so, or it makes the experiencer of the force to do a charitable act or be empathic generally.


This force is what was used to create creation. Its the cement of creation literally. If Love was a language, we would say it is this language that was used to create anything and everything.

Creation then answers to Love. In the human body, the primary channel for it is the heart. Asides from the heart doctors see, there is an energetic one which we use to feel this force.

If you imagine anything and fill it with this sweet force, your imagination will get life. This is the breath of life.

Most times, an open hearted person easily gets things they need. Not 'everything', because that would bother on covetousness which is not Love, contentment and such are how this force makes someone to feel, reason and behave.


Thanks.

Wow! Thank you.
I guess that's the reason why it's said God is love. I can also imagine this "love" is not the amorous kind of love, but like agape love.

I doubt we humans, at least majority of us, are capable of this kind of love. Except of course, liberated humans.
By liberated humans, I mean the ones not encumbered by the issues and limitations of this physical life characterized by frustrations, poverty, bigotry, covetousness etc.

I can imagine if I should ask futher what I must do to experience this "love", you'd ask me to "pick up my cross" and "follow you" because it's not going to be an easy road.

I wish I was ready 😁

chieveboy:


Please do create a thread on this and invite me. Scientists have long done justice to the matter of NDEs or OBEs as far back as the 70s. These guys (AWARE11) are rather elementary comparably. Thanks.

Who are the scientists please?

What did they conclude after the study?

Any link to the study report to enable one confirm your latest claim?

Because from what I know, nothing has been concluded yet in the main body of the sciences.. Scientists don't yet accept that consciousness can be separated from the brain.

I hope you provide proof this time around so that this claim of yours doesn't go the way of the others none of which you have yet to substantiate .

SisterAnn:
Wow! Thank you.
I guess that's the reason why it's said God is love. I can also imagine this "love" is not the amorous kind of love, but like agape love.

You got it spot on, God is love!!!

If one understands this statement that God is Love, they will shake their heads at anybody who thinks God for one moment can be angry or provoked to anger. The agape love is a higher form of it indeed. The only thing that makes it higher however is because it is not partisan or conditional, neither is it degradable to anger where it ceases to be love. It remains Love no matter what you take or add from and to it. This is what purity means.

I doubt we humans, at least majority of us, are capable of this kind of love. Except of course, liberated humans.
By liberated humans, I mean the ones not encumbered by the issues and limitations of this physical life characterized by frustrations, poverty, bigotry, covetousness etc.

Incidentally our whole body is fabricated to be capable of this love. We are loving beings. For life and existence to be possible in this planet, this Love gets broken down to lesser forms like flesh and blood.

Think of this breaking down like how wood is broken down to achieve different forms like chairs, spoons, doors etc which are very important while the true nature remains wood. Lets say an arrow created from wood is anger, and a door is amorous love and chair conditional love. So all those are lesser ways this Love had been broken down to.

Man then is sent here to work himself up to BE because that's what he is in the first place. The physical body and electric bodies are what makes him feel anger, pain, jealousy. He does this because his consciousness is hinged on these lesser bodies.

These so-called Eck Masters are nothing more than those who have embodied this force called love. They care not about how good or bad you are or your religious whatnots. all they care for is help you open this heart of a thing, from there, everything good and righteous is possible. It also becomes possible to visit the heavens even before one dies.

Since we live here however, one finds that this show and application of love must be done with 'discrimination'. The law of economy has it that you give warm love to people in your family and give detached love to those outside. There are those who will abuse it, so you apply discrimination keep your cool instead.

I can imagine if I should ask futher what I must do to experience this "love", you'd ask me to "pick up my cross" and "follow you" because it's not going to be an easy road.

I wish I was ready 😁

Lol, when there is love, you wont even know you're carrying any cross. Love practically cancells crosses and gives you a heart breaming with bliss. Love beats Karma, this is a law of creation.

The first and last commandment of getting and being this love is simply by giving it without expecting to receive it back (conditions).

A simple way is to do one thing daily purely out of love. Another way is to do one thing but pour all the love you can muster into it like washing your plates and doing it as if you are into a loving romance with the very plate your holding. If its cooking, muster all the love you have and cook those things. Watch any body who eats it. They will pick the love! Do not do this however to influence anyone. Your job is just to pour love into the food and that only.

New 'electric wires' will form in your brain and heart which this force called love would begin to flow. As you do more, it will upgrade to higher voltages, so much that you would be Love itself. Its very very much possible

we start it small small and build up.

triplechoice:


Who are the scientists please?

What did they conclude after the study?

Any link to the study report to enable one confirm your latest claim?

Because from what I know, nothing has been concluded yet in the main body of the sciences.. Scientists don't yet accept that consciousness can be separated from the brain.

I hope you provide proof this time around so that this claim of yours doesn't go the way of the others none of which you have yet to substantiate .

There is no such a thing as "main body of science". There is no "box" as it where. It is a 'free-for-all' towards breaking new frontiers of knowledge. The box way of doing things is an illusion animated by Interest Groups who you may be referring to as "main body of science".

Create a thread today. This one is for the supermen of the universes of God!

You will get your references. Good luck understanding them.

Sent Back to Life
By G. A. P.


I was traveling on business from Port Harcourt to Lagos, Nigeria, when I woke one morning with a severe illness. I had the hotel call an ambulance, which rushed me to the nearest hospital. I was explaining my condition to the doctor when suddenly everything went black.

I awoke in a dream. I was in a very long, fast-moving line. All the people were passing through a checkpoint. But when my turn to pass came, I was pulled aside and sent back by a slim white man.

Cont'd

When I woke up, I was told I had just spent the previous ten days in a coma. The hospital had refused my body and sent me to another clinic, believing that all hope was lost.

The clinic in which I found myself was a teaching clinic, and the doctors were only studying my body.

They had cut the toe of my right leg—the only place where a single vein was still alive—and set up an intravenous drip. They did not expect me to revive.

I stayed in the clinic an additional three days before I was discharged. The doctors said my recovery was truly amazing—an act of God. Friends and relatives in Lagos began to call me by a different form of my name to signify my rebirth into life.

Cont'd.

When I finally traveled back to Port Harcourt, my wife could not believe I was alive. She'd had an experience the night I blacked out.

She had awakened to the sound of someone knocking on the door. But when she opened it no one was there. It must have been a dream, she said to herself.

She walked outside to calm herself and heard my voice calling her. Seeing no one, she ran back inside the house full of fear.

Later that night I appeared to her in the dream state. I told her certain people were behind my death and warned her to look at the behavior of these people during the funeral arrangements.

She even remembered seeing the coffin that contained my body.

Cont'd.

SisterAnn:
Wow! Thank you.
I guess that's the reason why it's said God is love. I can also imagine this "love" is not the amorous kind of love, but like agape love.

I doubt we humans, at least majority of us, are capable of this kind of love. Except of course, liberated humans.
By liberated humans, I mean the ones not encumbered by the issues and limitations of this physical life characterized by frustrations, poverty, bigotry, covetousness etc.

I can imagine if I should ask futher what I must do to experience this "love", you'd ask me to "pick up my cross" and "follow you" because it's not going to be an easy road.

I wish I was ready 😁

chop this ❤️

Actually, I knew I had gone into the beyond during this experience. I never forgot the face of the white man who sent me back to life, but I refused to tell anybody about the experience.

In Africa, we believe that ancestors can sometimes send children, who meet untimely deaths, back to life. Folklore has it that the child then owes some kind of debt to the Soul on the other side.

I thought this was what happened to me, but I did not believe I had ever been related to a white man. How did this come about? The question repeated itself to me many times, but no answer came. I never asked anybody because I knew they couldn't give me a satisfactory answer.

Cont'd.

Then in February of 1985, I attended my first Eckankar gathering at Port Harcourt. I read brochures and attended several ECK activities. Later that day, I decided to follow the path of Eckankar.

It did not occur to me that my experience with death was linked to Eckankar until recently. Yet it came as a fire into my heart when I read the ECKANKAR Journal.

There I saw a picture of the Mahanta, Sri Harold Klemp. The slim man that saved my life was the Living ECK Master!

The Master was with me and protected me even before I knew about Eckankar. I know the love and protection of the Mahanta is very real.

The End
Source: https://eckankar-hu.org/Harold/Story06.html

chieveboy:
Then in February of 1985, I attended my first Eckankar gathering at Port Harcourt. I read brochures and attended several ECK activities. Later that day, I decided to follow the path of Eckankar.

It did not occur to me that my experience with death was linked to Eckankar until recently. Yet it came as a fire into my heart when I read the ECKANKAR Journal.

There I saw a picture of the Mahanta, Sri Harold Klemp. The slim man that saved my life was the Living ECK Master!

The Master was with me and protected me even before I knew about Eckankar. I know the love and protection of the Mahanta is very real.

The End
Source: https://eckankar-hu.org/Harold/Story06.html

Is this your personal experience or the experience of someone else?

exotique1fy:


Is this your personal experience or the experience of someone else?

Hello,

This one and the others I have shared are the experience of others. Thanks.

chieveboy:


Hello,

This one and the others I have shared are the experience of others. Thanks.

What about your personal experience?! Believe it or not, it is good to share such when proselytising. Don't you think?

exotique1fy:


What about your personal experience?! Believe it or not, it is good to share such when proselytising. Don't you think?

I did elsewhere and hinted at it on page one I think. If you read the Caveat on page 1 also, there is infact no intent to convert people here.


Proselytizing I am not. For instance, not all who even those believe these guys exists have met them, at least not in occasions they can say "I met so and so Master".

Thanks

chieveboy:


You got it spot on, God is love!!!

If one understands this statement that God is Love, they will shake their heads at anybody who thinks God for one moment can be angry or provoked to anger. The agape love is a higher form of it indeed. The only thing that makes it higher however is because it is not partisan or conditional, neither is it degradable to anger where it ceases to be love. It remains Love no matter what you take or add from and to it. This is what purity means.



Incidentally our whole body is fabricated to be capable of this love. We are loving beings. For life and existence to be possible in this planet, this Love gets broken down to lesser forms like flesh and blood.

Think of this breaking down like how wood is broken down to achieve different forms like chairs, spoons, doors etc which are very important while the true nature remains wood. Lets say an arrow created from wood is anger, and a door is amorous love and chair conditional love. So all those are lesser ways this Love had been broken down to.

Man then is sent here to work himself up to BE because that's what he is in the first place. The physical body and electric bodies are what makes him feel anger, pain, jealousy. He does this because his consciousness is hinged on these lesser bodies.

These so-called Eck Masters are nothing more than those who have embodied this force called love. They care not about how good or bad you are or your religious whatnots. all they care for is help you open this heart of a thing, from there, everything good and righteous is possible. It also becomes possible to visit the heavens even before one dies.

Since we live here however, one finds that this show and application of love must be done with 'discrimination'. The law of economy has it that you give warm love to people in your family and give detached love to those outside. There are those who will abuse it, so you apply discrimination keep your cool instead.



Lol, when there is love, you wont even know you're carrying any cross. Love practically cancells crosses and gives you a heart breaming with bliss. Love beats Karma, this is a law of creation.

The first and last commandment of getting and being this love is simply by giving it without expecting to receive it back (conditions).

A simple way is to do one thing daily purely out of love. Another way is to do one thing but pour all the love you can muster into it like washing your plates and doing it as if you are into a loving romance with the very plate your holding. If its cooking, muster all the love you have and cook those things. Watch any body who eats it. They will pick the love! Do not do this however to influence anyone. Your job is just to pour love into the food and that only.

New 'electric wires' will form in your brain and heart which this force called love would begin to flow. As you do more, it will upgrade to higher voltages, so much that you would be Love itself. Its very very much possible

we start it small small and build up.

Thank you bro.

Start small small?

I don't have the energy anymore. I was once a Chela but spiritual laziness finally deterred me. Though this was a long time ago. I will try again someday, this I know for sure because I can't afford to carry these confusions in my head to the grave.

On a lighter note, I don't want my soul to continue to return and return and return for too long before finding it's purpose eventually.