Not all banks do. Years ago banks never provided this service

Dygeasy:
l☺️ℓ I find it weird that they do not circle back to credit reporting agencies (I stand to be corrected). That's the crux for me.

Please wanted to ask can a student switch to Tier 2 without finishing is course? Hope it won’t affect or she should wait and finish and switch ? Asking cause her course will end by May and she as Cos offer right now .. please candid advice will be appreciated

AirBay:


The UK is Afraid...they are not thinking about today but tomorrow. Nigerians are taken up everywhere... Most of these masters student and their dependents are highly skilled. Most Nigerians start out at the lower end of the food chain but in few years, we are always at the upper end.

Have you visited the hospitals, schools, banks, football academy, even the IT sector that we thought Indians were the King, Nigerians are occupying lots of position gradually. Most masters degree classes are now filled up with Nigerians.

I may be wrong but if you're observing this from the other side of the coin, it's possible. The UK works on data, the effect of 686% increase in the number of student visa applications from Nigeria is alarming. If these continues over the years, which we all know it will, then a naija kid born and raised by an immigrant family may as well be contesting for the PM in 200-300years from now.

The UK can take in 200k refugees but they can't withstand seeing their educational institutions filled up with Nigerians...This is not about the pressure on the system..

I saw some comments earlier about the pressure on NHS, my spouse and I paid around £8k for IHS, I never got sick once before leaving the UK. 100k refugees did not not pay £1 for IHS and yet it is the students that are putting pressure on the system.

Like I said the UK is AFRAID, but of what?

Please stop with all this fantastical talk.

Yes , most Nigerians are hardworking and smart, and have done well over the decades in the UK ( there are quite a few British Nigerian MPs as an example) and no doubt will continue to do well.

But the UK is not "afraid" of Nigerians taking over. They simply think the number of dependents that were coming in was unsustainable and disproportionate.

Zahra29:


The government's view and policy has always been that international students are only here for a short time and then return home.....

See below statement from Jenrick, immigration minister, made in the house of commons this week:

We have seen, historically, that the vast majority of students leave the country and go back to their home country to continue their careers and lives.
It is possible that the system that has evolved since 2019 will see different trends. In 2020, only 7,400 non-EU students stayed on post study and those numbers may be dramatically higher in the years ahead. It may be that the mix of individuals, the countries they come from - if these individuals come to the UK to study and then spend a period of time here on the graduate route, and certainly if they bring dependants, that we will start to see a significant increase in the number of people staying here, making a life in the UK and not returning home, in which case policies of this kind will become more important.

The governments policy is not for international students to return. That is what the anti-imigration public think and are told by those in government. Certainly not what those who plan govt policies think.

It's good you mentioned 2020. Guess what else happened then?

This is Priti Patel and the UK high commissioner markerting the PSW to Indians. It clearly states '...recruit and retain the best and brightest global talent'. There is no mention of return home. The PSW was introduced for a clear reason- with Brexit, the UK wanted more money from more students.

The government was not content with £24 billion in economic activity international students generate yearly. They wanted more. Target is to 'export' £35b in education every year. To put things in perspective, the total budget for the Department of health and social care for this year is £180b.

The country this year is poised to escape a recession. Lord knows the role these tax paying folks have played

Zahra29:


Please stop with all this fantastical talk.

Yes , most Nigerians are hardworking and smart, and have done well over the decades in the UK ( there are quite a few British Nigerian MPs as an example) and no doubt will continue to do well.

But the UK is not "afraid" of Nigerians taking over. They simply think the number of dependents that were coming in was unsustainable and disproportionate.

The number of dependents coming in is unstainable but the 200k refugees paying £0 is sustainable?

Yes, the dependents will reduce now, let's see who is really putting pressure on the system.

Kindly go through this

https://www.totalstudentcare.com/news/2022/09/nigerian-students-saw-the-largest-increase-in-uk-visa-in-2022/18/

VS

https://www.local.gov.uk/parliament/briefings-and-responses/homelessness-among-ukrainian-refugees-uk-house-commons-14-march#:~:text=As%20of%2020%20February%202023,Ukrainians%20settle%20in%20the%20UK.


As of 20 February 2023, Councils have helped 163,500 Ukrainians settle in the UK. This has included 47,800 arrivals via Ukraine Family Scheme and 115,800 arrivals via Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme.

Who is putting pressure on the system?

Goke7:


We are unnecessarily being profiled and it's all wrong, when I knew It was all a joke was when Student visa processing last year was delayed for more attention to be paid to the Ukrainian refugees as in those bringing money into the country were being held back for those bringing nothing, chai we don suffer

Bringing nothing? Literally running for their lives is less important than a master's degree?

If roles were reversed and Nigerians were fleeing war and disaster, would you be happy if Canada said oh sorry you have to wait, we have to process the visas of these other guys first because $15k for a master's course is no joke you know. God will help you while you wait 🙏

AirBay:


The number of dependents coming in is unstainable but the 200k refugees paying £0 is sustainable. By the way are you an undergraduate student?

I am not, I graduated a long-ish time ago.

You expect refugees to pay their way into a safe country ? And if they are not able to pay their way, you expect them to give way to fee paying students?

Besides, did you know that most Ukrainian refugees claim they would love to return home to rebuild as soon as it's safe to do so?
So the gov is not expecting most of them to remain here forever.

Zahra29:


Bringing nothing? Literally running for their lives is less important than a master's degree?

If roles were reversed and Nigerians were fleeing war and disaster, would you be happy if Canada said oh sorry you have to wait, we have to process the visas of these other guys first because $15k for a master's course is no joke you know. God will help you while you wait 🙏

Let’s stop being political bro, Nigerians fleeing ukraine were held back while others were let go, it has happened also in Sudan so it’s nothing new at all or were those ones not running for their lives too

Zahra29:


I am not, I graduated a long-ish time ago.

You expect refugees to pay their way into a safe country ? And if they are not able to pay their way, you expect them to give way to fee paying students?

Besides, did you know that most Ukrainian refugees claim they would love to return home to rebuild as soon as it's safe to do so?
So the gov is not expecting most of them to remain here forever.

How many Refugees have returned to their home country? After they have given birth to 3-5 children who are now citizens.

Zahra29:


I am not, I graduated a long-ish time ago.

You expect refugees to pay their way into a safe country ? And if they are not able to pay their way, you expect them to give way to fee paying students?

Besides, did you know that most Ukrainian refugees claim they would love to return home to rebuild as soon as it's safe to do so?
So the gov is not expecting most of them to remain here forever.

Many Nigerians will not remain in the uk too, for so many the Uk is a transition point. Many will not get work visas so they can’t stay and from statistics Nigerians have much less overstayers compared to other nationalities. A lot will surely return home or relocate elsewhere.

AirBay:


How many Refugees have returned to their home country? After they have given birth to 3-5 children who are now citizens.

Isn't Ukraine still at war?

It's also mainly the women and children who came here. Most of the men stayed back to fight for their country

Peerielass:


That you haven’t come across one does not make it a fact! I know a British citizen that got a partial scholarship to study (first degree) in America. His family had to make a substantial contribution (more than that your £15k) towards his studies in the USA. Having now graduated since last year, he has been looking for a means to change his visa to work permit. Visa eventually ran out but due to being a BC, he was able to switch to an ESTA to prolong his stay in the USA temporarily. Bloke still hasn’t been able to get a sponsored job in the US. He’s now contemplating coming back home to get a job in Scotland or enrolling for a masters so he can continue to live the dream in America.

Apart from Canada and Australia. I doubt if there are any other countries that allow students a clear path to naturalization or bring their entire village as dependants. It’s their country and their rules and if we don’t like it, we can very well stay back in Nigeria. This attitude of entitlement is getting a bit old and silly now.

Let the sht hit the fan 🤷🏽‍♀️

No one challenges whether it's our country or not. What we're saying is you can't eat your cake and have it.

Good your example was seeking a first degreee and had a partial scholarship.

Even for a Uk masters where student loans are freely available with gradual payback over a long period, many British graduates do not think it worth the spend for lots of fields. I have not come across a British grad who is willing to pay 15 k plus lots of other fees to study an unknown masters. There may be few but in the extreme minority.

An average international masters student with a family of 2-4 would spend upwards of 30-50k from pocket over the masters, PSW and T2 period while maintaining a good social record before they get a permanent stay. They would give 7-9 years of their productive life to the British economy.

If I am paying that much, it is well in order to demand a good deal. There is no entitlement in that.

Goke7:


Many Nigerians will not remain in the uk too, for so many the Uk is a transition point. Many will not get work visas so they can’t stay and from statistics Nigerians have much less overstayers compared to other nationalities. A lot will surely return home or relocate elsewhere.

I weak. Its simple maths.. you brought in 100k people to your home, they pay £1 each, you brought another 200k people who pays £0. Now, you're complaining that the 100k are the ones causing economic issue. UK should go and sit down somewhere

Zahra29:


Isn't Ukraine still at war?

It's also mainly the women and children who same here. Most of the men stayed back to fight for their country

So women and Children cannot put pressure on system, na men alone dy apply pressure?

Goke7:

Let’s stop being political bro, Nigerians fleeing ukraine were held back while others were let go, it has happened also in Sudan so it’s nothing new at all or were those ones not running for their lives too

Could this be because the Nigerian men were struggling for spaces on trains and buses with Ukrainian women and children? There were hardly any Ukrainian men between 18 and 60 fleeing Ukraine except those that were disabled. Of course the women and children will be prioritised over able bodied black men.

Hi everyone... Any Nigerian wey dey do mechanic on kum-kum and based in the northeast? I no understand these oyibo mechanic abeg.

Peerielass:
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Could this be because the Nigerian men were struggling for spaces on trains and buses with Ukrainian women and children? There were hardly any Ukrainian men between 18 and 60 fleeing Ukraine except those that were disabled. Of course the women and children will be prioritised over able bodied black men.

We’re they not all running for their lives? Why are we making excuses for other nationalities when it borders on humanity but look away when it concerns Nigerians. You expect Nigerians to remain in a war zone when they are not citizens of that nation. were some not international students? Haba

Zahra29:


Bringing nothing? Literally running for their lives is less important than a master's degree?

If roles were reversed and Nigerians were fleeing war and disaster, would you be happy if Canada said oh sorry you have to wait, we have to process the visas of these other guys first because $15k for a master's course is no joke you know. God will help you while you wait 🙏

This is not the conversation but didn’t Ukrainians stop Nigerians from fleeing by blocking access to transportation. Both men, women and children. If the roles were reversed, Nigerians would not be given priority, Africans would not even be considered so let’s not even start this conversation.

And then where you said that students are expected to leave after study, no they are not. They are expected to find work, that is the whole point of the PSW Visa. They expect skilled students to fill up roles in high demand. And that is why they also keep introducing new migrant visas. 70% of the technical guys in my company are foreigners with strong accents and not Brits.

These legislators are not fooling anyone, they very much want our money that’s why they want Phd students to still bring in their dependants. Do you know how much Phd costs per year? Top that with the IHS fees you keep downplaying.

This conversation triggers me because I came in here as a dependant. I understand that it’s their country and their rules but like people have rightly said, they cannot eat their cake and have it and for another poster to call us entitled is downright silly, after all, they cajoled us into coming here by loosening their policies. If they want to tighten their laws, by all means they should. But us being resistant to it is valid and not entitled.

Goke7:

Let’s stop being political bro, Nigerians fleeing ukraine were held back while others were let go, it has happened also in Sudan so it’s nothing new at all or were those ones not running for their lives too

Apologies, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant that Nigerians were held back from processing a student visa while they focused on the Ukrainian situation

Agreed,it was definitely unfair the way Nigerian students were held back in Ukraine, but those were the actions of the eastern Europeans, not Britain

AirBay:


I weak. Its simple maths.. you brought in 100k people to your home, they pay £1 each, you brought another 200k people who pays £0. Now, you're complaining that the 100k are the ones causing economic issue. UK should go and sit down somewhere

It’s all discrimination and bias profiling.

jedisco:


The governments policy is not for international students to return. That is what the anti-imigration public think and are told by those in government. Certainly not what those who plan govt policies think.

I won't go into detail on this as I've already posted relevant government statements on this matter. But all I'll say is that if the government didn't want or expect students to return home, then they would make the student or PSW route count towards settlement, ie it would be an immigrant route just like Tier 2 or a spousal visa - like Canada.

kwakudtraveller:

This is not the conversation but didn’t Ukrainians stop Nigerians from fleeing by blocking access to transportation. Both men, women and children. If the roles were reversed, Nigerians would not be given priority, Africans would not even be considered so let’s not even start this conversation.

And then where you said that students are expected to leave after study, no they are not. They are expected to find work, that is the whole point of the PSW Visa. They expect skilled students to fill up roles in high demand. And that is why they also keep introducing new migrant visas. 70% of the technical guys in my company are foreigners with strong accents and not Brits.

These legislators are not fooling anyone, they very much want our money that’s why they want Phd students to still bring in their dependants. Do you know how much Phd costs per year? Top that with the IHS fees you keep downplaying.

This conversation triggers me because I came in here as a dependant. I understand that it’s their country and their rules but like people have rightly said, they cannot eat their cake and have it and for another poster to call us entitled is downright silly, after all, they cajoled us into coming here by loosening their policies. If they want to tighten their laws, by all means they should. But us being resistant to it is valid and not entitled.

@bolded BIGGEST FACT in the whole wide world!

The term I relate with is Skilled Worker
The short response, here, is that as at 25 May '23, a person on student visa can switch to Skilled Worker visa
https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/switch-to-this-visa

Kennyliga112:
Please wanted to ask can a student switch to Tier 2 without finishing is course? Hope it won’t affect or she should wait and finish and switch ? Asking cause her course will end by May and she as Cos offer right now .. please candid advice will be appreciated

PS: Kindly refer to part 2 for more details.
Inbtw, this is one of the hot potato discussion going on with all the narratives!!!

AirBay:


The number of dependents coming in is unstainable but the 200k refugees paying £0 is sustainable?

Yes, the dependents will reduce now, let's see who is really putting pressure on the system.

Kindly go through this

https://www.totalstudentcare.com/news/2022/09/nigerian-students-saw-the-largest-increase-in-uk-visa-in-2022/18/

VS

https://www.local.gov.uk/parliament/briefings-and-responses/homelessness-among-ukrainian-refugees-uk-house-commons-14-march#:~:text=As%20of%2020%20February%202023,Ukrainians%20settle%20in%20the%20UK.


As of 20 February 2023, Councils have helped 163,500 Ukrainians settle in the UK. This has included 47,800 arrivals via Ukraine Family Scheme and 115,800 arrivals via Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme.

Who is putting pressure on the system?

Both.

But one group fled the invasion of their home country, so public sentiment is different

Since it’s all about the money post graduates and their families bring into the UK, I don’t see anyone up in arms questioning why undergraduates that spend way more money in this country on education aren’t allowed to bring dependants in? This is where the main injustice lies.

AirBay:


The UK is Afraid...they are not thinking about today but tomorrow. Nigerians are taken up everywhere... Most of these masters student and their dependents are highly skilled. Most Nigerians start out at the lower end of the food chain but in few years, we are always at the upper end.

Have you visited the hospitals, schools, banks, football academy, even the IT sector that we thought Indians were the King, Nigerians are occupying lots of position gradually. Most masters degree classes are now filled up with Nigerians.

I may be wrong but if you're observing this from the other side of the coin, it's possible. The UK works on data, the effect of 686% increase in the number of student visa applications from Nigeria is alarming. If these continues over the years, which we all know it will, then a naija kid born and raised by an immigrant family may as well be contesting for the PM in 200-300years from now.

The UK can take in 200k refugees but they can't withstand seeing their educational institutions filled up with Nigerians...This is not about the pressure on the system..

I saw some comments earlier about the pressure on NHS, my spouse and I paid around £8k for IHS, I never got sick once before leaving the UK. 100k refugees did not not pay £1 for IHS and yet it is the students that are putting pressure on the system.

Like I said the UK is AFRAID, but of what?

I was telling someone this on Tuesday. My department employed five international recruits last year. The five were Nigerians. Learnt another one is coming this year. A lot of my Senior colleagues are always furious when lot of Nigerians in Nigeira apply for job vacancies. .

jedisco:



Even for a Uk masters where student loans are freely available with gradual payback over a long period, many British graduates do not think it worth the spend for lots of fields. I have not come across a British grad who is willing to pay 15 k plus lots of other fees to study an unknown masters. There may be few but in the extreme minority.

An average international masters student with a family of 2-4 would spend upwards of 30-50k from pocket over the masters, PSW and T2 period while maintaining a good social record before they get a permanent stay. They would give 7-9 years of their productive life to the British economy.

If I am paying that much, it is well in order to demand a good deal. There is no entitlement in that.

That you have not come across them does not mean that they do not exist. They do, in droves. I have conducted recruitment interviews for postgraduates from leading universities and majority were British (white, Asian, black etc), followed by Chinese and Indian nationals.

International students currently account for only 18% of universities' income, so please stop making it sound like the UK is full of uneducated and unskilled folk.

Peerielass:
Since it’s all about the money post graduates and their families bring into the UK, I don’t see anyone up in arms questioning why undergraduates that spend way more money in this country on education aren’t allowed to bring dependants in?

💯

Thank you! I've tried to make this point several times.

Peerielass:
Since it’s all about the money post graduates and their families bring into the UK, I don’t see anyone up in arms questioning why undergraduates that spend way more money in this country on education aren’t allowed to bring dependants in? This is where the main injustice lies.

have you checked the data for international undergraduates? start from there and let's continue the conversation

kwakudtraveller:


This conversation triggers me because I came in here as a dependant. I understand that it’s their country and their rules but like people have rightly said, they cannot eat their cake and have it and for another poster to call us entitled is downright silly, after all, they cajoled us into coming here by loosening their policies. If they want to tighten their laws, by all means they should. But us being resistant to it is valid and not entitled.

Every non-white immigrant will have been triggered at some point by government rhetoric or policy. That is par the course.

How do you think the windrush folk felt? Do you know what many physically went through during the " hostile" phase? And these are people, many of whom brought here legally at 3 years old by their parents, who lost their livelihood, homes and even lives because of hostile and unfair gov policy

Goke7:


have you checked the data for international undergraduates? start from there and let's continue the conversation

Please enlighten me on how the post graduate students are more deserving of dependant visa than their undergraduate counterpart.

BuildingProject:


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