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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by LordReed(m): 8:45am On Jun 27, 2023 |
triplechoice: There is a lot to unpack here so I might have to do it in bits. I am not really settled enough to respond to everything in one go. This: As for the unconscious, not much is known of how it operates and what part of the brain controls what it does. Most people just assume it's the brain that controls it, and call it the non conscious part of the brain. That assumption is wrong as you shall come to see. that seems to be the foundation of your response here might be wrong. There are findings that indicate that the subconscious is processed within the subcortical regions of the brain. You can see that here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3393600/ Admittedly that knowledge is still very far from complete, but it challenges the notion that we don't know where in the brain the subconscious is being processed. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 12:10pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
LordReed: The so called place in the brain where the subconscious is believed to be processed is simply the effects of what is going within it (,the unfathomable subconscious , ) I'm not saying it's not tied to the brain, or is it separate , but insist it has not emerged from it . Correlation they say ,is not causation . https://jonlieffmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FEATURE-LIMITS-OF-iStock_000023595907XSmall.jpg
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 1:22pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum: Because you have a blind spot from viewing reality from a singular position alone ,you say the question is rubbish .. The question I asked is both an existential and a little bit of a scientific one. ,a natural fallout from the conversation I was having with Reed Theres nothing wrong or senseless in demanding to know the source of the product one is making use of . Your personal opinion is not fact .. You should know it ,and stop bluffing . .There are no senseless questions when it comes to the issue of where life has come from and why . But because you jumped into the conversation like a bot to enforce your nonsense opinions and usual craziness ,you could not see what you walked into , a trap ,that has now exposed you for who you are. A no nothing and half baked individual. You need to expand your horizon so you stop thinking in black and white Rosicruciian wrong interpretation of reality has really effected your thinking . Free yourself from that bondage . You mind is no longer yours . Reading books is good ,but without the necessary practical experience to back them up , one's education is incomplete . You only share links to books you have read ( II have read them too and even more ) to booster your ego ,but there's no evidence from your display here that they have helped to improve your person . You still behave like child seeking for attention . |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:18pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum: I never asked anyone to believe in anecdotes since I now they are not reliable I only mentioned that when I used the analogy of herbal products for clarification .Analogies are never perfect . I expect you to know that . But because you are seeking to score some cheap points , you deliberately misinterpreted all of it . You should be ashamed of your behaviour at your age . The truth I know about my self and the human being doesn't rely on any anecdotes , and it's my prerogative to share it here or not The information I already gave out is enough for you to work with if you really know what you are doing , but you don't . I m not the only one who know what I know . Go search elsewhere online or even here to meet with such persons and ask for it . You are not in a position to demand anything from me . Morever ,you are not trained scientist who can carry out testing and experimentation under close control settings ,that is if you even know what that means because you are scientific illiterate . And you know what , you are the greatest hypocrite and pretender right now on this furom , deceiving everyone ,not me ,that you are an atheist when you are just a zombie believer in Amorc teachings . What you practice in your closet is what you come to deny in public to hide who you are . Provide prove for your Rosicruciian pesudoscience . You are in bondage and don't yet realise it. Go practice Ifa since you are Yoruba , and stop fooling yourself . budaatum: All of the above are empty claims whiich you cannot prove . You are in dangerous cult. Get out of it . You started this nonsense by going to dig up something I said long ago which doesn't relate at all . Since you want to have the last word ,I will teach you that no one wins a mud sllinging contest . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:23pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Question what you believe, before asking others to do so ,you hypocrite @budatuum. Read the full story here https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:41pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Brainwashed Amorc member who has deluded himself into thinking he is a trained scientist capable of carrying out proper scientific research that can pass the test I should provide it for you to test .Go and test your head first . No more sense on it . Your quoting of the Bible all the time is due to your Amorc brainwashing .
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:46pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
@budatuum this how they deceive you there with fake scientific prove . Open your eyes and free yourself
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:51pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Any black man who is a member of Amorc is a victim of implicit racism . See it below . That's why no blackman has ever headed that cult . They will never ever ever allow it to happen . 1 Like
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by triplechoice(m): 2:55pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Amorc will damaged your mind through its dangerous occuit practice . See below and read the full story . Another victim' s account is on its way . https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B932_Crucian.html 1 Like
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 3:53pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
triplechoice:Atheists do not believe, Triple. We seek to understand. And Rosicrucianism is not a science, but knowledge that informs the experiences one has. As for mud, have fun slinging it please. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 5:15pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 5:33pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: Science is the formal use of the senses to investigate. In Christianity, the eye (and other senses), are the lamp of the body. If one does not learn the use of the senses, the whole body would be in darkness with the being being unable to comprehend that which is around it. Eve taught this by using her senses to test if she would die if she ate the forbidden fruit. She lived and freed herself from slavery in Eden and went on to live almost a 1000 years and populated the earth, we read.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 5:38pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:And the human senses are very limited. Eve valued wisdom more than death. We see in the adam and eve story that the elohims only made the body of them, they didnāt make the spirit, the elohims could only kill the body not the spirit. The garden was created for the images of elohim, adam and eve are not images anymore, they are now one of the elohims. They donāt need the garden again, as elohim they can create their own garden.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 5:46pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: And that's why we must train ourselves in the use of the human senses so as to reduce their limitations. And hence Jesus Christ, who made Christians aware they had senses and taught their use, though one wouldn't agree with that watching many Christians here. https://www.nairaland.com/6481507/what-clay-mud#100295773 |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 5:48pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:The human senses already has limitations, humans donāt have the best eyesight or the best ears, science deals with observation, so we are observing science in a limited position already. Jesus Christ didnāt teach any āChristiansā, he taught the golden law, ādo unto others as you would have them do unto youā. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 5:51pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: Humans never needed a garden (enclosed space), because they were created in God's image to rule over all the earth, and universe, I dare add. Then God said, āLet us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.ā That said, some humans were afterwards created from mud and were enslaved naked in the garden and those seem to be the majority. It's like they devolved. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 5:56pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann:We don't "observe science". We do science in order to observe better than the untrained senses with which we observe much less Maynmann:One would argue he taught people. And the golden law was just one thing he taught amongst many other teachings, use your senses being just one. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 5:57pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:The elohim image there properly refers to shadow, even though shadows can assume someone image, it is not the real thing. All these animals you mentioned were in a garden, and the paradise doesnāt really mean enclosed space as used in hebrew.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 5:59pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:Science means knowledge, itās observed, everyone can use it, physics and chemistry were once called natural philosophy and were taught in the first academy by plato.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:02pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: The Garden was not Paradise! And there's no way one could conclude that Adam who was created from mud was an image of any God. For starts, he was not allowed to eat the food of the Gods and only farmed it on their behalf, and he was obviously far too stupid to be in the image of a god because he was far too dumb and didn't know how to use his senses until Eve showed him he even had senses. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:06pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:The garden is paradise, look into the hebrew word used there. Adam was image of the elohim, like they said, he was created male and female, androgenous. He was not given any reason, as why he should not eat the fruit, they only threatened him not to eat it. Immediately they ate it they got their senses, and they ābecame crafty and they made themselves apronsā. Eve had only the desire of wisdom, which is what everyone should. The elohims promised eve and adam all the fruits and foods without wisdom, remember what jesus said, āman shall not live by bread aloneā.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:07pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: Science is a method used to observe and acquire knowledge and not just a thing one observes. When one learns physics and chemistry and natural philosophy, one doesn't just learn about things, but also learns a method to observe things properly. It's the reason we do scientific experiments. To show how to see what is claimed to have been observed. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:11pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:No Science means knowledge, maybe you meant scientific method. We learn things in practical aspect right from the olden days. Physics and chemistry are what happens in our everyday life, we are discovering it.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:14pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: I did not find this in my own Bible. What I found was that after "the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done", only then did "the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. This same Lord then took a rib from the man Adam and formed the female called Eve. The creation formed in God's image in Genesis 1 is not the same Adam formed from dust in Genesis 2. https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:19pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:Itās in the hebrew bible called tanakh. Exactly, ābreathe of lifeā. So when he said eve and adam will die, does that include his own breath of life? Elohims only āmadeā the body, they never made the āspiritā which is breathe of life. The genesis story is a collection of more than 3 books together, the removal of the rib represents the seperation of androgynous man to male and femlae.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:21pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: The scientific method, as in how ti use the senses, is the main thing learnt when one studies science. We "know something" by studying it with our senses, as in, by doing science on that thing so that we may fully comprehend it in its aspects. Physics and chemistry, at the beginning of one's education, is the training of the senses in the methods of physics and chemistry. They do start off with telling one what has been observed, but the outcome of further study is how to observe or one would just believe the physics and chemistry they know without checking the validity of their knowledge, which is clearly not science.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:25pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: Whatever is meant by "Adam will die" if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, was clearly a lie since we read how long Adam lived before he did eventually die. Unless you read only one book, of course, and believe Adam and Eve would have lived for ever.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:26pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:And our senses are limited. We are calculating time using our limited senses and they using the concept of time to understand the universe. This calculation is already wrong already. The sun is up not because itās 12pm, the sun is up because itās supposed to be up regardless if our senses call it 12am. Physics and chemistry are naturally philosophy, they sit down and study the environment. Philosophy literally means love of wisdom and nature means āof its ownā, by itself. You get natural philosophy. Thereās no special knowledge anywhere afterall we are acting as persons.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:29pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:The death that was talked about was the body that the elohim āmadeā, you see that after the elohim saw that adam and eve are pars now, they cursed them but they could only curse what they āmadeā, after the curses, see what adam did and saidā¦. They were elohims now, they could not die.
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Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:30pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: If that's what you want to believe, buda will live. For me, the garden in the east in Eden; where he put the man he had formed can not possibly be paradise where Adam and Eve were naked slaves. |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by Maynmann: 6:32pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
budaatum:Thatās what the hebrew word says, Iāve seen that reading the book in its original language is very helpful. Hebrew פ×Ø××” pardes and Hebrew ×× gan, "garden" |
Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 6:35pm On Jun 27, 2023 |
Maynmann: Same as the Jesus whom we read was nailed to a cross and stabbed and poisoned and died, lives in spirit I suppose, and as I will live in the spirit of what I have written on Nairaland long after I die and become worm food. Mayn, you are going to forgive buda. I do not believe crap in any language whatsoever. |
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