TenQ:

You asked a number of questions and I have answered them here:
If you do not read, you are at your peril: but I beg you to read carefully for comprehension.

How we know that God sees us as His child
1. We Trust in His integrity: if God made a promise, He fulfills it
Luk 11:13:
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

2. He puts in us His Spirit that bears witness with our spirit that we are now sons of God
Rom 8:14-16:
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit (of God) Himself self bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"

3. We Accept His condition for becoming sons
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

John 3:14-16:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes (in God's solution) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."


1. Being Born again is NOT a metaphoric saying. It is a Spiritual REALITY! A person who is truly Born Again knows (of course, you can't understand)
John 3:7-8:
"Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

2. Being Born Again is NOT a detachment from doing acts not accepted to be in line with the covenant and repentance from sin.
Detachment from sin and repentance are EVIDENCES that a person is truly Born Again?
A person who claims to be born again without this fruit to show is NOT Born Again.

3. To Be Born Again mean
a. God through His spirit has made you a new spirit by giving you a seal of ownership and a seal that guarantees paradise!
Eph 1:13-14:
"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory."

b. To have your name written in the Book of Life (the Register of Paradise)
Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Rev 21:27:
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

We become a new person only after we get born again.



You are not being truthful that Allah needs nothing
1. Allah needs worship from you: is this not the reason you Muslims claim that he created humans?
2. Allah needs slaves to worship him.
3. Allah need you to commit sin and if you don't, he will replace you with a people who will always commit sin and repent.

Of a truth, the God of Abraham NEED NOTHING from us.
1. We become His children because this is what God want for Himself.
John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

SIRTee15:


Words have different meaning and interpretations.
I've never heard worshippers of Allah, so that's debunked.
I've heard servants of Allah but it's more of slaves of Allah. That shows how the word abd was used during the time of Muhammed and when Koran was compiled.

honesttalk21:


What is the meaning of Abdullahi?

SIRTee15:


Used in context of servitude to Allah n not as a name.
Muslims don't call themselves Abdullah like we are Abdullah instead slaves of Allah!

That's why I said words have different meanings n interpretation.

honesttalk21:


Abdullahi is the state of every Muslim and is reported to be a most liked name by Allah.

تَعْبُدُونَ (ta’buduna) is a verb form in Arabic, specifically in the present tense, second person plural. It is derived from the root ع-ب-د (a-b-d), which conveys the concept of servitude, worship, or devotion. In this form, it signifies the act of worship or devotion being performed by the subject.

On the other hand, عبد (abd) is a noun in Arabic that stems from the same root ع-ب-د (a-b-d). It refers to a servant, worshipper, or one who is devoted to a particular entity, often used in the context of religious devotion or servitude to a deity.

In essence, تَعْبُدُونَ (ta’buduna) and عبد (abd) are connected through their shared root, with the former representing the action of worship or devotion and the latter denoting the individual who engages in such acts.

honesttalk21:


If I may work my way from your later questions.
If Allah needs my worship of what benefit will it be to Allah. I worship Allah in obedience and veneration. A means to seek his pleasure, show gratitude for so many things done for me many of which I am not aware.

I worship to request my needs of him that he provides and guides me to achieving or acquiring them. In numerous ways these things are even provided without my exactly asking.

What exactly does Allah derive from umy worship? Do tell me.

honesttalk21:

2. All things Allah creates worships him one way or the order and to a good extent we can't evaluate this. Some worship in obedience and some worship to be seen to worship without sincerity of faith and action. By your submission is it only slaves that worship Allah? What about the ones that aren't slaves; do they worship?

honesttalk21:

3. Allah needs you to commit sin else he will replace you. Sincerely can mankind absolutely not sin? Has man become so perfect that he is incapable of Sin? Are you aware of all your sins? Definitely you know some and some you unknowingly commit. Does your Lord's prayer have the statement forgive us our trespasses? Are the trespasses sins? Conspicuously you mention sin and repent above?
What's repentance? Is it being aware of your wrong doing becoming remorseful, regretful, seeking pardon, resolving not to repeat same. Is this something guided by the mind, the spirit? Is the whole process akin to a spiritual rebirth or being born again or is being born again different from this?

honesttalk21:

Oh it entails accepting Jesus as your lord and personal saviour to lead. How come with his special leading and your willing following you can still sin or did he lead you to Sin?

How is it that the Born again with a guaranteed paradise still needs to repent of sin to access paradise? Is the guarantee not guaranteed or what sort of guarantee is this of eternity that still requires repenting and reseeking forgiveness. Do help remove my confusion at this obvious contradiction and confusion.

How do you become a new person with an old body or you mean new spirit that isn't physically discernible?

honesttalk21:

Interesting! Moses lifted up the serpent which would not have been lifted otherwise yes?
So to the son of man used in reference to who? Jesus? Must be lifted up so whosoever believes in him who was lifted up I believe will not perish? But the one to believe in needed to be lifted up by who or what? The one greater than him? I believe we can agree that Moses is greater than the snake.

honesttalk21:

Now to the Spirit.

The Spirit in the Bible and Christianity by my understanding is often referred to as the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God. In Hebrew the word used for spirit is ruach which means breath, wind, or spirit. In the New Testament, the Greek word used is pneuma which also conveys the idea of breath or wind. So spirit is breath and wind?

The Bible portrays the Spirit as having various roles and functions. It is seen as a source of inspiration and revelation, guiding individuals to understand and interpret God’s will. The Spirit is also depicted as a comforter, advocate, and helper for believers. These characteristics for spirit come to me as intellectual reasoning of the mind. This sure fits with notions of good, bad, evil, wicked, hungry etc. spirits.

The dictionary defines spirit as the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul,and

the prevailing or typical quality, mood, or attitude of a person, group, or period of time

Essentially being non physical; the spirit cannot be seen. It is described in the Bible using metaphors.

One common metaphor used to depict the Spirit is that of water. In John 7:38-39, Jesus refers to the Spirit as rivers of living water, symbolizing its life-giving and purifying nature.
In Acts 2:3-4, during Pentecost, it is described how tongues of fire appeared and rested on each believer, symbolizing the empowering and purifying work of the Spirit. I wonder if these fires were real or metaphorical. Then the dove is employed as a metaphor for the Spirit in the Bible in Matthew 3:16, when Jesus was baptized, the Spirit of God descended like a dove upon him. This imagery conveys qualities such as gentleness, peace, and purity associated with the presence of the Spirit.

The story of the dove is an account that made it into all four Gospels, Jesus’ baptism by John is accompanied by John’s testimony that he saw “the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him” (John 1:32). Unique to Luke’s account is that the Spirit was “in bodily form” (somatikos) but the event seems very visionary as it is doubtful that there was an actual, molecularly constructed theophany with a dove’s body. Clearly the main importance in the event is a sign to John that Jesus was the Messiah whom John was sent to give advance notice about. Did anyother person see the dove?

Doves were stipulated as sacrifices for the poor in Israel. As a context of worship, the continuity of doves in sacrifice and the Spirit-as-a-dove matches what Scripture elsewhere tells that we “worship in Spirit and truth” and “pray in the Spirit” since that is the Spirit’s role to facilitate our ongoing encounter with God. As an approved animal for sacrifices, the whiteness of doves indicates the purity and innocence that befits the Holy Spirit. These our discussions lead me to see that animal sacrifice is more rooted in Christianity.

How different is/are this/ese spirit/s breath that God put into Adam

How different is/are this/ese spirit/s breath that God put into Adam

TenQ:
I appreciate your thoughtful insights and questions posed to my post and I will try to do justice to the questions. If I miss any, it is not intentional


You asked: What does Allah derive from your worship?
It seems Allah craves to be worshiped to assume a sense of importance and greatness.




This is where you miss it. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not need the worship of anything or anyone to be complete.
We His appreciative Creatures worship Him because we realize how majestic, great and benevolent Our God it. This include all Angels and humans who know Him.

It is similar to why we greet our Parents: it is not because they need our greetings BUT because we respect and honour them.

A slave in the house will greet because he is obligated to do so on the pain of severe punishment.


The problem is not that man is a sinner : The problem here is that Allah threatened to wipe off humans if they do not commit sin and replace them with those who would regularly commit and ask for forgiveness from him.

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".

This Sahih hadith is self explanatory
1. Allah enjoys to have creations who commit sin
2. Allah enjoys the fact that as the commit sin, they come crawling back to him.

This is another prove that Allah NEED our worship as he depends on it for a sense of importance.

Unlike the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who created us for his pleasure (like you plant flowers round your house for your pleasure). He doesn't NEED anything from us, we are the ones who depend on Him for our existence.
Rev 4:11
Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.

Sin is any violation of the sovereignty of God and God hates sin. Even children of God Commits sin exactly as your children and your house help violate your command.
The reason we Christians ask for forgiveness of our sins is to restore our fellowship back with God even though we don't lose our sonship with him unlike a slave who can be summarily dismissed from his masters service.

Why do you think Allah will erase you from existence if you don't commit sin?
Will you be committing sins in Paradise?
If you don't, will Allah disown you?



Just as you don't remain the child of your parent and welcome home because you are perfect with your parent, such is the nature of our salvation.

We live our lives following the rules of God and God may discipline us for errors we commit BUT He doesn't disown us.
A new creature does NOT justify his sin but hates it and strives to turn away permanently from them.

Heb12:6
For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”

Of course the above is the exact opposite of the Qur'an.



The Message : (Look at the Bronze Serpent )
What was God's solution to the problem of death from the snakes?
Follow it and you will be saved

The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement)
What was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.



Definitions :
God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of God (just like Air or Wind) is everywhere but you cannot see Him. You may however feel His power and influence anywhere He chooses. When we say God is Omnipresent. God by His Spirit is Everywhere whether in the physical realms or in the spiritual realm as the Unseen Power overseeing Everything!
Angels are Spirits with a Souls :
The Spirit of Angels is their means of expression in the spirit realm. It is their Spiritual Identity and is limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Demons are Spirits with Souls:
Just like Angels, the spirit of demons give them their spiritual identity. The Spirit of demons is their means of expression in the spirit realm. Demon spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Animals are Souls with a Body:
Their Body gives them a physical expression and identity while their souls give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
When an animal dies, the ceases to exist unlike humans in death.

Humans are Spirits with a Soul and Body:
The Body of humans give them physical expression and physical identity.
The Spirit of humans give them spiritual expression and spiritual identity.
The Soul of Humans give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect. Human spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.

Adam was created in God's image because He has been Given his Spirit from God that he might be like God as a spirit.
By Man's spirit, he can relate with God in a spiritual sense and also exist forever otherwise, man (Adam) would cease to exist.


With this above and your Question:

God put (part of) His own spirit into Adam so that Adam became an image (a resemblance) of God.

Sacrifices with respect to sin in the old testament was for atonement. Atonement is a form of payment for your crime. God's law of sin is that sin MUST be punished or paid for by death. The sacrificial animal became the scapegoat or ransom that God accepted for the sin of His people. (There are other kinds of sacrifices)

Just like
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'


Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam.
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

TenQ:
I appreciate your thoughtful insights and questions posed to my post and I will try to do justice to the questions. If I miss any, it is not intentional


You asked: What does Allah derive from your worship?
It seems Allah craves to be worshiped to assume a sense of importance and greatness.




This is where you miss it. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not need the worship of anything or anyone to be complete.
We His appreciative Creatures worship Him because we realize how majestic, great and benevolent Our God it. This include all Angels and humans who know Him.

It is similar to why we greet our Parents: it is not because they need our greetings BUT because we respect and honour them.

A slave in the house will greet because he is obligated to do so on the pain of severe punishment.


The problem is not that man is a sinner : The problem here is that Allah threatened to wipe off humans if they do not commit sin and replace them with those who would regularly commit and ask for forgiveness from him.

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".

This Sahih hadith is self explanatory
1. Allah enjoys to have creations who commit sin
2. Allah enjoys the fact that as the commit sin, they come crawling back to him.

This is another prove that Allah NEED our worship as he depends on it for a sense of importance.

Unlike the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who created us for his pleasure (like you plant flowers round your house for your pleasure). He doesn't NEED anything from us, we are the ones who depend on Him for our existence.
Rev 4:11
Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.

Sin is any violation of the sovereignty of God and God hates sin. Even children of God Commits sin exactly as your children and your house help violate your command.
The reason we Christians ask for forgiveness of our sins is to restore our fellowship back with God even though we don't lose our sonship with him unlike a slave who can be summarily dismissed from his masters service.

Why do you think Allah will erase you from existence if you don't commit sin?
Will you be committing sins in Paradise?
If you don't, will Allah disown you?



Just as you don't remain the child of your parent and welcome home because you are perfect with your parent, such is the nature of our salvation.

We live our lives following the rules of God and God may discipline us for errors we commit BUT He doesn't disown us.
A new creature does NOT justify his sin but hates it and strives to turn away permanently from them.

Heb12:6
For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”

Of course the above is the exact opposite of the Qur'an.



The Message : (Look at the Bronze Serpent )
What was God's solution to the problem of death from the snakes?
Follow it and you will be saved

The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement)
What was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.



Definitions :
God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of God (just like Air or Wind) is everywhere but you cannot see Him. You may however feel His power and influence anywhere He chooses. When we say God is Omnipresent. God by His Spirit is Everywhere whether in the physical realms or in the spiritual realm as the Unseen Power overseeing Everything!
Angels are Spirits with a Souls :
The Spirit of Angels is their means of expression in the spirit realm. It is their Spiritual Identity and is limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Demons are Spirits with Souls:
Just like Angels, the spirit of demons give them their spiritual identity. The Spirit of demons is their means of expression in the spirit realm. Demon spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Animals are Souls with a Body:
Their Body gives them a physical expression and identity while their souls give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
When an animal dies, the ceases to exist unlike humans in death.

Humans are Spirits with a Soul and Body:
The Body of humans give them physical expression and physical identity.
The Spirit of humans give them spiritual expression and spiritual identity.
The Soul of Humans give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect. Human spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.

Adam was created in God's image because He has been Given his Spirit from God that he might be like God as a spirit.
By Man's spirit, he can relate with God in a spiritual sense and also exist forever otherwise, man (Adam) would cease to exist.


With this above and your Question:

God put (part of) His own spirit into Adam so that Adam became an image (a resemblance) of God.

Sacrifices with respect to sin in the old testament was for atonement. Atonement is a form of payment for your crime. God's law of sin is that sin MUST be punished or paid for by death. The sacrificial animal became the scapegoat or ransom that God accepted for the sin of His people. (There are other kinds of sacrifices)

Just like
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'


Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam.
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

SIRTee15:


I'm.not here to debate semantics with U.
If Muslims call themselves Abdullah, we would have been hearing it up and down. U are the only one claiming Muslims call themselves Abdullah.
Show me in the Koran where Muslims are called Abdullah.
The whole Koran is filled with slaves of Allah and not Abdullah or worshippers of Allah.
Guy u can't know Koran more than those who translated Arabic to English. If U have a problem, argue with them.
U are not Arabic or linguistics expert either so your opinio don't count.

Instead focus on things U can contribute without necessarily being an expert.

Who's the historical dhul-qarnayn
Explain how historical Jesus called God father when Koran said he didn't.

Finally, was the injil present and with the Christians during the time of Muhammed?

When I say injil, I mean the gospel revealed by Jesus- the true one according to our Muslims brothers.

honesttalk21:

In the name ame of Allah the most beneficient the most merciful, blessings and mercy be on the prophet Muhammad pbuh. I seek refuge from the accursed Satan. I seek refuge from being misled or misleading others. I will make submissions to the questions you have asked I'll hope you find them understandable and satisfactory.

1. It seems Allah craves to be worshiped to assume a sense of importance and greatness.

Allah is no need of worship from anything or anyone. Quite the contrary or opposite is the case. Allah is Al-Ghaniy; the self-sufficient, As-Samad; the eternal refuge. Indeed the created is who or what is the need of Allah. This is done by various acts of worship even if majority of this needs are met by Allah without even asking.

Every sin committed by man damages his faith and creates deep wounds in his heart and soul. Righteous deeds, especially prayers (salah), cleanse man of his sins, and he thus attains the mercy of Allah Almighty. In this way, that servant, who is cleansed of his sins by gaining the consent of his Lord, becomes worthy of the eternal Paradise.

Through worship Allah makes it possible for man to seek his favor and attain his/her numerous desires and goals. A student wanting to excel at an examination would study his books and learning resources; the book does not need the student to read it but the student needs to read to acquire knowledge sufficient to excel at the exam. Mankind is in eternal need of Allah and not the other way around.

honesttalk21:

2. The problem here is that Allah threatened to wipe off humans if they do not commit sin and replace them with those who would regularly commit and ask for forgiveness from him

The truth is that all human beings are sinners; the best of the sinners are those who repent.
Mankind is a creature that has been created with a natural tendency to commit sins and to do good deeds. Committing sins is a property that discriminates man from angels.

Mankind might commit sins and is taught the ways to avoid committing sins. The way of getting rid of the sins and crimes that have been committed and being purified of spiritual impurities through repentance.

Allah calls on the believers who have sinned to repent as follows: “And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah that you may succeed.” (Q24/31) In another verse, Allah says to His Prophet: “Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Q39/53)

The Hadith Riyadh as Saliheen 423 emphasizes the concept of seeking forgiveness from Allah. It highlights the mercy and forgiveness of Allah towards His creation. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh is conveying that the nature of human beings is such that they are prone to committing sins. However, it is through seeking forgiveness and repentance that one can attain the mercy and forgiveness of Allah.

Allah threatened you say but if you re-read you see it states were you not (if) it is an hypothetical question to emphasize the vast capacity of Al-Ghafur, Al-Ghafar, ArRahamanu the ever forgiving and most merciful to repeatedly forgive and make anew.

honesttalk21:

3. b]The Message : (Look at the Bronze Serpent [/b]

The issue of the serpent on the snake was a result of the biblical God punishing the Israelites for disrespecting Moses and God. It however now depicts a magical looking unto something for deliverance indeed their faith in an almighty God may have been too weak to be healed by that. Remember though God sent the snakes in the first place. Why couldn't they be unsent and provision of a healing plant/, medicine but a semblance of idolatry was introduced?

Looking in a bronze snake bears little difference to looking/bowing before a statue for needs. Then by God sending the snakes is this not akin to forceful call to submit?

Do let me pause the answers here to continue later in another post. I don't want to risk loosing my reply a subsequent time

honesttalk21:


Interesting you acknowledge or will do that the name of Prophet Muhammad pbuh s father is Abdullahi and should have come across people named Abdullahi. The past governor of Nassarawa state has this name as surname.

Some footballers etc

Did you check the translation yourself?

SirTee15 let's finish with the Abdullahi before moving to other questions. If you cannot appreciably agree or derive value in my answer on this how then will you on following questions?

Why ask so many questions that remain unsatisfactorily answered? What is the rush?

Have you also been bitten by the Gish gallop bug?

Al - Abs the worshipper

Abdullahi: Worshipper of Allah

SIRTee15:



Show me where Muslims are called Abdullah as reference to Allah in the koran...
Words are used in context u should know that....
If I stand b4 a judge and say your honour...is it the same as honour to God?
If I bow b4 my parents as a greeting, is it the same as bowing b4 my LORD?
Words are used in context my friend.

U are the one fighting the identity Koran gave u because sincerely it makes perfect sense.
U are ashamed of the word Koran slammed on u and I dont understand why?

If abd is so great why do Arabs use it as derogatory word against blacks.
Why do Arabs call blacks abd or u trying to tell me they worship blacks?

Why did English translators of the Koran use slaves of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah when translating abd.

U clutching at straws here my friend. Funny enough, I'm sure if an Arab man calls u abd U won't feel good with yourself that he's worshiping me, will U?

honesttalk21:
I am not fighting anything and if I am a slave of Allah as you say there's no better master to slave for than Allah.

I am proudest to be a slave of Allah. You have the problem with that not me.

I showed you a verse with abd before or didn't I?

Expanse2020:


Guy you funny

I told you marry, Rebekah Rachel marry at the baby age you disagree abii

And I told you to show me from the hadiths to that a companion of prophet or prophet divorce a little girl but you are saying another thing for cover up..
You asked me to show you that slave that Moses and his men captures were not treated to slavery..

Whether you like it or not you know the truth for yourself and the Lord luggard that came to Nigeria what did they introduce and use the opportunity to robbed our ancient and took them for slavery in the name of missionary NO BE CHRISTIANITY THEY BROUGHT

SIRTee15:

Muslims are funny...
All of a sudden hadith is greater than Koran. Why should I go the the hadith to validate what is written in the Koran.
Your Koran tells u to do divorce small girls who are even yet to menstruate. Now U telling me to go to the hadith to find those who obeyed The instruction of your Allah in the Koran.
So what's your point? That the Koranic verse is a lie or forgery. Or people knew the Koranic verse didn't make sense so refuse to follow the instruction. Or people choose and pick what to believe in the koran. Or U are saying the Koranic verse doesn't make sense.

As u can see even expanse2020 does not agree with the Koranic verse on divorcing kids. He knows it doesn't make sense.
That's why he's ready to throw the Koran under the bus because he admits that verse of divorcing little kids is evil, it can't come from God.


Qasim, honesttalk, antiChristian, lukuluku69 just imagine your Muslim friend is telling me to check the hadith to know if what's written in the Koran is true.

Pls carry him to the masjid, pronounce Sharia on him and whip him some good kobokobo.

TenQ our Muslim nairalanders no go kill me with desperate mental gymnastics.

Expanse2020:

Are you kidding where did I take it over the Quran...
Na so all of una change things.. because ur book gat alot of blunder you want to die on d Quran 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:

Are you kidding where did I take it over the Quran...
Na so all of una change things.. because ur book gat alot of blunder you want to die on d Quran 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:



You asked me to show you that slave that Moses and his men captures were not treated to slavery..

Whether you like it or not you know the truth for yourself and the Lord luggard that came to Nigeria what did they introduce and use the opportunity to robbed our ancient and took them for slavery in the name of missionary NO BE CHRISTIANITY THEY BROUGHT

SIRTee15:

Muslims are funny...
All of a sudden hadith is greater than Koran. Why should I go the the hadith to validate what is written in the Koran.
Your Koran tells u to do divorce small girls who are even yet to menstruate. Now U telling me to go to the hadith to find those who obeyed The instruction of your Allah in the Koran.
So what's your point? That the Koranic verse is a lie or forgery. Or people knew the Koranic verse didn't make sense and ignored it. Or people choose and pick what to believe in the koran. Or U are saying the Koranic verse doesn't make sense.

As u can see even expanse2020 does not agree with the Koranic verse on divorcing kids. He knows it doesn't make sense.
That's why he's ready to throw the Koran under the bus because he admits that verse of divorcing little kids is evil, it can't come from God.


Qasim, honesttalk, antiChristian, lukuluku69 just imagine your Muslim friend is telling me to check the hadith to know if what's written in the Koran is true.

Pls carry him to the masjid, pronounce Sharia on him and whip him some good kobokobo.

TenQ our Muslim nairalanders no go kill me with desperate mental gymnastics.

SIRTee15:



How can I have a problem with what the deity u worship calls u? All me and TenQ have been saying is be proud to be a slave to your deity. Don't deny the identity he gave u. Simple.
U are the one twisting the word of the Koran claiming abd means servant or worshippers in the Koran.

Congrats tha U finally embrace your true status. I hope u won't twist mouth again.

Now U didn't answer my questions
Why did the English translators of the Koran use slave of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah for abd.

If an Arab calls u abd, will U be proud he's worshipping u. Is it a good thing for an Arab to call a black man abd.

TenQ:

Can Muslims achieve anything without lying!
Anything just to defend Mohammed and his Deity!

SIRTee15:

Muslims are funny...
All of a sudden hadith is greater than Koran. Why should I go the the hadith to validate what is written in the Koran.
Your Koran tells u to do divorce small girls who are even yet to menstruate. Now U telling me to go to the hadith to find those who obeyed The instruction of your Allah in the Koran.
So what's your point? That the Koranic verse is a lie or forgery. Or people knew the Koranic verse didn't make sense and ignored it. Or people choose and pick what to believe in the koran. Or U are saying the Koranic verse doesn't make sense.

As u can see even expanse2020 does not agree with the Koranic verse on divorcing kids. He knows it doesn't make sense.
That's why he's ready to throw the Koran under the bus because he admits that verse of divorcing little kids is evil, it can't come from God.

Qasim, honesttalk, antiChristian, lukuluku69 just imagine your Muslim friend is telling me to check the hadith to know if what's written in the Koran is true.

Pls carry him to the masjid, pronounce Sharia on him and whip him some good kobokobo.

TenQ our Muslim nairalanders no go kill me with desperate mental gymnastics.

AntiChristian:


The Qur'an (not Koran) points to the Hadiths and the Hadiths points to the Qur'an!
So I understand but I doubt if the Holy Spirit can ever wrap his head around this!

TenQ:

Dont mind honesttalk21:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2925
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3445
Narrated `Umar:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

There are hundreds of Hadiths where both Mohammed and every Muslim is described as the slave of Allah

AntiChristian:


Are you not defending the Bible of your founding fathers and Rome even with more than lies?

TenQ:
I appreciate your thoughtful insights and questions posed to my post and I will try to do justice to the questions. If I miss any, it is not intentional


You asked: What does Allah derive from your worship?
It seems Allah craves to be worshiped to assume a sense of importance and greatness.




This is where you miss it. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not need the worship of anything or anyone to be complete.
We His appreciative Creatures worship Him because we realize how majestic, great and benevolent Our God it. This include all Angels and humans who know Him.

It is similar to why we greet our Parents: it is not because they need our greetings BUT because we respect and honour them.

A slave in the house will greet because he is obligated to do so on the pain of severe punishment.


The problem is not that man is a sinner : The problem here is that Allah threatened to wipe off humans if they do not commit sin and replace them with those who would regularly commit and ask for forgiveness from him.

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".

This Sahih hadith is self explanatory
1. Allah enjoys to have creations who commit sin
2. Allah enjoys the fact that as the commit sin, they come crawling back to him.

This is another prove that Allah NEED our worship as he depends on it for a sense of importance.

Unlike the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who created us for his pleasure (like you plant flowers round your house for your pleasure). He doesn't NEED anything from us, we are the ones who depend on Him for our existence.
Rev 4:11
Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.

Sin is any violation of the sovereignty of God and God hates sin. Even children of God Commits sin exactly as your children and your house help violate your command.
The reason we Christians ask for forgiveness of our sins is to restore our fellowship back with God even though we don't lose our sonship with him unlike a slave who can be summarily dismissed from his masters service.

Why do you think Allah will erase you from existence if you don't commit sin?
Will you be committing sins in Paradise?
If you don't, will Allah disown you?



Just as you don't remain the child of your parent and welcome home because you are perfect with your parent, such is the nature of our salvation.

We live our lives following the rules of God and God may discipline us for errors we commit BUT He doesn't disown us.
A new creature does NOT justify his sin but hates it and strives to turn away permanently from them.

Heb12:6
For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”

Of course the above is the exact opposite of the Qur'an.



The Message : (Look at the Bronze Serpent )
What was God's solution to the problem of death from the snakes?
Follow it and you will be saved

The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement)
What was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.



Definitions :
God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of God (just like Air or Wind) is everywhere but you cannot see Him. You may however feel His power and influence anywhere He chooses. When we say God is Omnipresent. God by His Spirit is Everywhere whether in the physical realms or in the spiritual realm as the Unseen Power overseeing Everything!
Angels are Spirits with a Souls :
The Spirit of Angels is their means of expression in the spirit realm. It is their Spiritual Identity and is limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Demons are Spirits with Souls:
Just like Angels, the spirit of demons give them their spiritual identity. The Spirit of demons is their means of expression in the spirit realm. Demon spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Animals are Souls with a Body:
Their Body gives them a physical expression and identity while their souls give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
When an animal dies, the ceases to exist unlike humans in death.

Humans are Spirits with a Soul and Body:
The Body of humans give them physical expression and physical identity.
The Spirit of humans give them spiritual expression and spiritual identity.
The Soul of Humans give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect. Human spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.

Adam was created in God's image because He has been Given his Spirit from God that he might be like God as a spirit.
By Man's spirit, he can relate with God in a spiritual sense and also exist forever otherwise, man (Adam) would cease to exist.


With this above and your Question:

God put (part of) His own spirit into Adam so that Adam became an image (a resemblance) of God.

Sacrifices with respect to sin in the old testament was for atonement. Atonement is a form of payment for your crime. God's law of sin is that sin MUST be punished or paid for by death. The sacrificial animal became the scapegoat or ransom that God accepted for the sin of His people. (There are other kinds of sacrifices)

Just like
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'


Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam.
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

TenQ:
I
The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement)
What was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.



Definitions :
God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of God (just like Air or Wind) is everywhere but you cannot see Him. You may however feel His power and influence anywhere He chooses. When we say God is Omnipresent. God by His Spirit is Everywhere whether in the physical realms or in the spiritual realm as the Unseen Power overseeing Everything!
Angels are Spirits with a Souls :
The Spirit of Angels is their means of expression in the spirit realm. It is their Spiritual Identity and is limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Demons are Spirits with Souls:
Just like Angels, the spirit of demons give them their spiritual identity. The Spirit of demons is their means of expression in the spirit realm. Demon spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.
Animals are Souls with a Body:
Their Body gives them a physical expression and identity while their souls give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
When an animal dies, the ceases to exist unlike humans in death.

Humans are Spirits with a Soul and Body:
The Body of humans give them physical expression and physical identity.
The Spirit of humans give them spiritual expression and spiritual identity.
The Soul of Humans give them personal or internal identity expressed in their Will, Emotion and Intellect. Human spirit is also limited in its scope unlike God's Spirit. The Spirit confers ability to live forever.

Adam was created in God's image because He has been Given his Spirit from God that he might be like God as a spirit.
By Man's spirit, he can relate with God in a spiritual sense and also exist forever otherwise, man (Adam) would cease to exist.


With this above and your Question:

God put (part of) His own spirit into Adam so that Adam became an image (a resemblance) of God.

Sacrifices with respect to sin in the old testament was for atonement. Atonement is a form of payment for your crime. God's law of sin is that sin MUST be punished or paid for by death. The sacrificial animal became the scapegoat or ransom that God accepted for the sin of His people. (There are other kinds of sacrifices)

Just like
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'


Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam.
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

SIRTee15:



Show me where Muslims are called Abdullah as reference to Allah in the koran...
Words are used in context u should know that....
If I stand b4 a judge and say your honour...is it the same as honour to God?
If I bow b4 my parents as a greeting, is it the same as bowing b4 my LORD?
Words are used in context my friend.

U are the one fighting the identity Koran gave u because sincerely it makes perfect sense.
U are ashamed of the word Koran slammed on u and I dont understand why?

If abd is so great why do Arabs use it as derogatory word against blacks.
Why do Arabs call blacks abd or u trying to tell me they worship blacks?

Why did English translators of the Koran use slaves of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah when translating abd.

U clutching at straws here my friend. Funny enough, I'm sure if an Arab man calls u abd U won't feel good with yourself that he's worshiping me, will U?

SIRTee15:


Leave holy spirit out of this, U just need common sense and honesty.

So if a verse in the Qur'an says it's ok to divorce little kids and we don't find such in the hadith...
Does it mean that Qur'anic verse isn't true?
Is that what U saying.

SIRTee15:


Bring up the lies in the bible. Start with one so we can thrash.
Don'

SIRTee15:



Show me where Muslims are called Abdullah as reference to Allah in the koran...
Words are used in context u should know that....
If I stand b4 a judge and say your honour...is it the same as honour to God?
If I bow b4 my parents as a greeting, is it the same as bowing b4 my LORD?
Words are used in context my friend.

U are the one fighting the identity Koran gave u because sincerely it makes perfect sense.
U are ashamed of the word Koran slammed on u and I dont understand why?

If abd is so great why do Arabs use it as derogatory word against blacks.
Why do Arabs call blacks abd or u trying to tell me they worship blacks?

Why did English translators of the Koran use slaves of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah when translating abd.

U clutching at straws here my friend. Funny enough, I'm sure if an Arab man calls u abd U won't feel good with yourself that he's worshiping me, will U?

SIRTee15:


Honesttalk is that not Abdullah translated as slave of Allah in the hadith. I thought U said Abdullah mean worshippers of Allah...

Pls leave up to your name...honesty.

SIRTee15:



How can I have a problem with what the deity u worship calls u? All me and TenQ have been saying is be proud to be a slave to your deity. Don't deny the identity he gave u. Simple.
U are the one twisting the word of the Koran claiming abd means servant or worshippers in the Koran.

Congrats tha U finally embrace your true status. I hope u won't twist mouth again.

Now U didn't answer my questions
Why did the English translators of the Koran use slave of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah for abd.

If an Arab calls u abd, will U be proud he's worshipping u. Is it a good thing for an Arab to call a black man abd.