AntiChristian:


Are you not defending the Bible of your founding fathers and Rome even with more than lies?

Unfortunately, if the Bible is wrong, Allah is more wrong. Did Allah not attest to the Book between our hands at least during the time of Mohammed?

Sorry

TenQ:

Unfortunately, if the Bible is wrong, Allah is more wrong. Did Allah not attest to the Book between our hands at least during the time of Mohammed?

Sorry

Did Allah mention Bible?

Are Injeel, Zabur and Torah = Bible?

Liar for Christ!

Who translated your Bible to Arabic and sent it to Arabia during the time of our Prophet?
And the over 10 Books of Paul too were among?

SIRTee15:


Honesttalk is that not Abdullah translated as slave of Allah in the hadith. I thought U said Abdullah mean worshippers of Allah...

Pls leave up to your name...honesty.

Is that the sole and only translation?

AntiChristian:


See how your holy Spirit is misfiring again?
How does this correlate to what we are saying?

The Qur'an and the hadiths complements each other and they never go against one another!

It is your Allah that usually ignorantly misfire both in words, intellect and deeds as displayed throughout the Qur'an!
I believe you like this exchange as a pig loves filth!

honesttalk21:


Is that the sole and only translation?

It was translated by Islamic Scholars and Muslims like you in www.sunnah.com

AntiChristian:


Did Allah mention Bible?

Are Injeel, Zabur and Torah = Bible?

Liar for Christ!

Who translated your Bible to Arabic and sent it to Arabia during the time of our Prophet?
And the over 10 Books of Paul too were among?

It is a shame you do not know that the word "Bible" means BOOK!

As much as you hate Paul, here is what your religious book say

Tafsir Qur'an 5.14 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
.... On the one side St. Paul, a follower of the Prophet Jesus, put an end to the observance of the law and declared that the only thing needed for salvation was belief in Messiah. On the other side, the Jewish rabbis cut off the followers of Christ by declaring theta to be a misguided sect. But in spite of this separateness, at first the sect bore no distinctive name. The followers of Christ called themselves by different names, such as disciples, brethren, believers, saints etc......


Tafsir Qur'an 36.13-17 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus (Paul) , and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).



Oh, these above is another Lie from Muslim scholars Abi?

honesttalk21:


Is the Arab not an abd? Or you are bothered by what people call you and don't know who you are?

So black Muslim should smile n rejoice when thy are called abdi?

honesttalk21:


Imagine my forgetting the simplest example when Isa a.s (Jesus) which I am sure you will counter that Isa is not Jesus.
Maryam 19:30

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ ءَاتَىٰنِىَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّۭا ٣٠

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allāh. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

Abdullahi عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ

What my own with what Isa said in your Qur'an.
All historical evidence proves Jesus Christ is not ISA. That's done and dusted.

AntiChristian:


See how your holy Spirit is misfiring again?
How does this correlate to what we are saying?

The Qur'an and the hadiths complements each other and they never go against one another!

They'll that to expanse2020. He's the one who denied the verse of divorcing little kids because it's not in the hadith.

TenQ:

It was translated by Islamic Scholars and Muslims like you in www.sunnah.com

www.sunnah.com is the best source of translations? Really now!

The English translation of the Arabic phrase “عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ” can be understood in various ways depending on the context it is used in. However, the most common meanings are:

Servant of Allah: This is the most direct translation of the phrase. It refers to a person who dedicates their life to serving and worshipping Allah, the one and only God in Islam.

Slave of Allah: Similar to the first meaning, this translation also emphasizes the complete submission and devotion of an individual to Allah.

Devoted to Allah: This translation highlights the strong emotional connection and commitment a person has towards Allah, indicating that their life revolves around their faith and devotion.


Worshiper of Allah: This meaning focuses on the act of worshipping Allah, implying that the person is constantly engaged in practices and rituals that honor and revere God.


God-fearing person: This translation emphasizes the fear and respect a person has for Allah, which leads them to live a righteous and virtuous life.

Is it better to be a slave of Allah or a slave of a man or any other thing he created.

In hindsight now it seems I missed one reply.

SIRTee15:


What my own with what Isa said in your Qur'an.
All historical evidence proves Jesus Christ is not ISA. That's done and dusted.

Please share. I really want to know who the different persons are.

Exactly as predicted.

honesttalk21:


Imagine my forgetting the simplest example when Isa a.s (Jesus) which I am sure you will counter that Isa is not Jesus.
Maryam 19:30

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ ءَاتَىٰنِىَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّۭا ٣٠

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allāh. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

Abdullahi عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ

Funny you make a force about Maryam being of the tribe of Imran and a sister (not literally or directly) of Aaron when the child of this Maryam is not your Jesus?

Is this inconsistence?

SIRTee15:


So black Muslim should smile n rejoice when thy are called abdi?

What difference does it make what someone calls or doesn't call you? Does it define you? Happiness is from within not without.

Abdi is a male name. It is a given name used in several countries with different origins. The Somali version of the name, used within Somalia and Ethiopia, translates to ‘Hope’. Among others, one version has Arabic has meaning which is loosely translated as 'servant of God'.

While Arabic speakers commonly use Abdu (عبده‎ / عبدو ʿabdu) rather than Abdi, both are nicknames for Abdul. It originates from the Arabic word عبد ال ʿabd al- / ʿabd el- / ʿabd ul-. The name translates as "servant of God" in reference to religious submission to Allah (God). As such, it is often used by Muslims around the world in conjunction with one of the names of God in Islam, but also sometimes on its own.

honesttalk21:


Please share. I really want to know who the different persons are.

I already gave the multiple evidence. Check your previous mention from me.

honesttalk21:


www.sunnah.com is the best source of translations? Really now!

The English translation of the Arabic phrase “عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ” can be understood in various ways depending on the context it is used in. However, the most common meanings are:

Servant of Allah: This is the most direct translation of the phrase. It refers to a person who dedicates their life to serving and worshipping Allah, the one and only God in Islam.

Slave of Allah: Similar to the first meaning, this translation also emphasizes the complete submission and devotion of an individual to Allah.

Devoted to Allah: This translation highlights the strong emotional connection and commitment a person has towards Allah, indicating that their life revolves around their faith and devotion.


Worshiper of Allah: This meaning focuses on the act of worshipping Allah, implying that the person is constantly engaged in practices and rituals that honor and revere God.


God-fearing person: This translation emphasizes the fear and respect a person has for Allah, which leads them to live a righteous and virtuous life.

Is it better to be a slave of Allah or a slave of a man or any other thing he created.

In hindsight now it seems I missed one reply.

So why did the English translators of the Qur'an chose slave of Allah rather than the other ones here.
That's the question we have Ben asking and U ignored.

SIRTee15:


So why did the English translators of the Qur'an chose slave of Allah rather than the other ones here.
That's the question we have Ben asking and U ignored.

Are all the translations of the Bible exactly the same?

Is there anything wrong with a slave to Allah not man that bothers you? Are you the slave or the relative of the slave?

SIRTee15:


I already gave the multiple evidence. Check your previous mention from me.

Just reproduce here and incorporate all please. Nairaland is too wide and navigating it isn't exactly easy for me.

honesttalk21:


www.sunnah.com is the best source of translations? Really now!

The English translation of the Arabic phrase “عَبْدُ ٱللَّهِ” can be understood in various ways depending on the context it is used in. However, the most common meanings are:

Servant of Allah: This is the most direct translation of the phrase. It refers to a person who dedicates their life to serving and worshipping Allah, the one and only God in Islam.

Slave of Allah: Similar to the first meaning, this translation also emphasizes the complete submission and devotion of an individual to Allah.

Devoted to Allah: This translation highlights the strong emotional connection and commitment a person has towards Allah, indicating that their life revolves around their faith and devotion.


Worshiper of Allah: This meaning focuses on the act of worshipping Allah, implying that the person is constantly engaged in practices and rituals that honor and revere God.


God-fearing person: This translation emphasizes the fear and respect a person has for Allah, which leads them to live a righteous and virtuous life.

Is it better to be a slave of Allah or a slave of a man or any other thing he created.

In hindsight now it seems I missed one reply.

I can see that your Arabic language comprehension is far better than your scholars who translated your hadiths.

You want to deny them too?

If they translated rubbish, why don't you object to their translations?

honesttalk21:


Please share. I really want to know who the different persons are.

Exactly as predicted.


Funny you make a force about Maryam being of the tribe of Imran and a sister (not literally or directly) of Aaron when the child of this Maryam is not your Jesus?

Is this inconsistence?

Jesus was crucified by the Romans with the support of the Jews.

Isa was not crucified, neither did he die.

These are historical differences

SIRTee15:


They'll that to expanse2020. He's the one who denied the verse of divorcing little kids because it's not in the hadith.

Where did he denied the verse?

TenQ:

It is a shame you do not know that the word "Bible" means BOOK!

As much as you hate Paul, here is what your religious book say

Tafsir Qur'an 5.14 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
.... On the one side St. Paul, a follower of the Prophet Jesus, put an end to the observance of the law and declared that the only thing needed for salvation was belief in Messiah. On the other side, the Jewish rabbis cut off the followers of Christ by declaring theta to be a misguided sect. But in spite of this separateness, at first the sect bore no distinctive name. The followers of Christ called themselves by different names, such as disciples, brethren, believers, saints etc......


Tafsir Qur'an 36.13-17 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus (Paul) , and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).



Oh, these above is another Lie from Muslim scholars Abi?

The tafsirs you quoted in half guessed the probable people and it wasn't only Paul that was mentioned!

Others were mentioned separately. Do they also have books in the Bible they wrote?

Nothing is even definite from those tafsirs you quoted in half!

Stop quoting texts from the middle to justify your falsehood. Follow the context!

TenQ:

It is your Allah that usually ignorantly misfire both in words, intellect and deeds as displayed throughout the Qur'an!
I believe you like this exchange as a pig loves filth!

Tell that to ge Hausa Christians that the Allah in their Bible....

Expanse2020:

Thank God you said the truth that the Jews came to meet prophet S.A.W. to know is Dhul qarnayn (to test him )and the ayat explain briefly to them what they want to know..

But if you said based on historian
Dhul qarnayn was equate to be two people according to the historian
One is Alexander the Great that historian also said in travel vast across the end of south,east, north and also possessed a cap of this two horn...but some Muslim elders said Alexander does not leave up to 700years so it may not be him
The second one is the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid who marched the historical value possessed such ability..
Allah know best.

Is the the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid a prophet of Allah?

AntiChristian:


Tell that to ge Hausa Christians that the Allah in their Bible....

Its YOUR Allah!
Check!

TenQ:

Its YOUR Allah!
Check!

Not different from Hausa Christians!

AntiChristian:


The tafsirs you quoted in half guessed the probable people and it wasn't only Paul that was mentioned!

Others were mentioned separately. Do they also have books in the Bible they wrote?

Nothing is even definite from those tafsirs you quoted in half!

Stop quoting texts from the middle to justify your falsehood. Follow the context!

I normally quote the full text except that I. this case, it was long and secondly, I emphasised the part of interest. The reference was quoted for you to confirm.

Yes sir. Islamic Dawah has misled you to think that only Paul wrote the New Testament.

Simon Peter (Sham'un) and John (Yuhanna).

Simon Peter (Sham'un) wrote : the book of 1Peters and 2Peters


John (Yuhanna) wrote : the book of 1 John , 2 John, 3Johm and Revelation

AntiChristian:


Not different from Hausa Christians!

The name of your Deity is Allah and not Yahweh!


The name of the Deity of the Hausa Christians is Yahweh!
Sorry!

TenQ:

Is the the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid a prophet of Allah?

No body tell you or affirm it for you that Dhul qarnayn is a prophet

TenQ:

Can Muslims achieve anything without lying!
Anything just to defend Mohammed and his Deity!

We have given many verses which your Sciencetist later come out after 1000 years to proves that is 100% correct., and if you think is not correct you your bible that holy spirit wrote to debunk any of it...
Senior M.U.M.U

SIRTee15:



Hahaha

Black Muslim accusing black Christian of following the religion of their slave masters. What an irony.

Have U heard of the trans Shahara slave trade?
Arab Muslims came into Africa and took over 10 million black people away from the continent as slaves. This was btw 7th century well into last century.

Why do U think Somali look down on blacks. because they were the middle men in the horrible slave trade practice.
They kidnap blacks from east Africa, then sell them to the Arabs Muslim.
Yorubaland was never a victim of slavery until the Sokoto caliphate took over Ilorin in 1820. The fulanis then started raiding the Yoruba towns for slavery and selling them to the Dahomey people.

U better learn your history. because what U saying here is a case of kettle calling pot black.

You Come with propaganda bring history down even your so call BBC acknowledge that Christianity came through slavery to African while Islam came through trading

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I thought u were the one who wanted teach me the Koran.
I asked just 2 questions now, U couldn't give any reasonable answer, doing whataboutism, and already running away.

Who is dhul-qarnayn? No answer
Explain the verse of divorcing little kids...no answer, instead U telling me people ignored the verse.

Next time don't enter the kitchen if U can't stand the heat.

If U want to ask questions in the bible, I'm happy to cure your ignorance and teach u what a satisfactory answer looks like. [/quote
Have given you the answer for the two and if you think you know the ruling of the two to debunk my fact paste it let see your challenge....
I forgot to ASKED you something too
Who is Melchizedek in the bible let us know the history of it too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if you have balls tailor it here

SIRTee15:


Stop the cap bro..
U asked me to show u companions of Muhammad who divorced little kids in the hadiths.

Why do U want me to check the hadith to corroborate what's written in the Koran? Why would U ask me to do that?

because the verse was a lie or was ignored?

I asked you to pin point one person that Married 6 years kid and Divorce her since you are hammering it at least 3years to 13 years were married in the bible

honesttalk21:

4. Solution
The following of the solution you claim is different from that before and after Jesus? What exactly is the solution other than following and adhering to the word and guidance of the almighty God.

This is believing in God as the one, sole, almighty incomparable that does all things. Engaging in acts of truth and justice according to his directions.

1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah?
Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ?
2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not
3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God?
4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice?

Finally,
If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands?

The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement on the Cross )
This was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.

honesttalk21:

5. God is a Spirit:
In Islam, the concept of the spirit is closely tied to the belief in the unity and transcendence of God. The Quran portrays God as the creator of everything, including the human spirit. According to Islamic teachings, Allah uniquely breathed His spirit into Adam, the progenitor of humanity, giving mankind a special connection to the divine (Quran 15:29)

It is believed that Allah breathed his spirit into Adam, the first human being, giving him life and knowledge.

﴿وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَاكُمْ ثُمَّ صَوَّرْنَاكُمْ ثُمَّ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ لَمْ يَكُن مِّنَ السَّاجِدِينَ﴾
[ الأعراف: 11]


7:11 And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves.


Had a discussion based on this translation of the meaning. Was man first created before given form? If this is so what is it that was first created? Could this be the Spirit?

Should you doubt then consider when Allah drew the spirit of all mankind from Adam a.s and they all testified that there was no god but Allah (nothing worthy of worship except Allah)

Al-A'raf 7:172

وَإِذْ أَخَذَ رَبُّكَ مِنۢ بَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ مِن ظُهُورِهِمْ ذُرِّيَّتَهُمْ وَأَشْهَدَهُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَلَسْتُ بِرَبِّكُمْۖ قَالُوا۟ بَلَىٰۛ شَهِدْنَآۛ أَن تَقُولُوا۟ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِ إِنَّا كُنَّا عَنْ هَٰذَا غَٰفِلِينَ

English - Sahih International

And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."

So you see the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah.

You said all the general things about the concept of the Spirit in Islam without answering any questions. Your description of what the Spirit is is not coherent.
You said :
the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah
However, you also said :
Allah breathe His Spirit into Adam

1. If Allah breathe his spirit into Adam, then the spirit is an attribute of Allah.
But if the spirit is an attribute of Allah, it cannot be created.
2. There is no single Qur'an or hadith that suggest that the Spirit is created by Allah, perhaps you can find one verse for me.
3. Jibril is acclaimed to be the Holy Spirit (a living being).
Jesus is the spirit from Allah (a living being)
Also. since Jibril is an Angel, then all angels are spirits!

This brings another problem:
There is no where where Allah is adjudged to create the Spirit in Islam.
.
Do you agree that If the spirit is created, then it cannot be of Allah for it comes from within him just like the uncreated Qur'an

honesttalk21:

Regarding the Hadith Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 which states that when engaging in a physical altercation, one must avoid striking the face due to the belief that God created Adam in His own image. This concept of being created in the image of God is rooted in Islamic teachings. However, it is important to understand that this phrase should not be interpreted literally, as God is beyond any physical attributes or limitations. Instead, it symbolizes the unique dignity and significance bestowed upon human beings by their Creator.

Allah is beyond human comprehension and does not resemble anything in creation. Therefore, the idea of God creating humans in His own image is understood metaphorically rather than in a literal sense.

When the Hadith mentions that Adam was created in God's image, it implies that human beings possess qualities such as rationality, moral consciousness, free will, and the capability to recognize and establish a relationship with their Creator. Islam emphasizes that such attributes distinguish humans from other creatures and make them accountable for their actions.

The Quran mentions the creation of Adam and emphasizes his unique status among all creations. However, it is important to note that while humans are considered the noblest of creations, they are distinct from God and do not share His divine attributes.

It be difficult to belive that the hadith is metaphoric and not literal because, if it was a metaphor
1. The instruction would be to not kill a man for he is created in the image of God.
2. There would be no need to compare the height of Adam with resemblance to Allah because We rarely even grow up to 7feet inn height.
3. The paradise of Islam is a physical paradise

I think the embarrassment of the literal meaning is why you want to hide under it being a metaphor but it doesn't fit.

honesttalk21:

The Prophet pbuh seeing and meeting previous prophets pbut is a miraculous physico-spiritual occurrence. The details of how this miracle came to be is beyond the explanation of a magic trick.

Does it mean you NOW subscribe to the Duality of the Prophets?
Can you thus explain: How can TWO be thensamenas ONE One.

If God can make the feeble humans this complex, do you think you can box him into your human understanding?



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Allan rose above the heavens and the earth both physically and authoritatively. Allah is above them in his controlling what occurs in them.

Allan coming down to the third heaven is not just a literal statement to be understood as that. It encompasses the special consideration given to those who worship Allah at this time of the night to get their prayers easily accepted, granted and saved for them for the hereafter.

What need does Allah have to enter his creation when all is from Allah?

1. Is it untrue according to your prophet that Allah is above the seventh heaven on his throne?

2. Will you see Allah from the day of resurrection?

3. The Question is not about the need of Allah but the power of Allah! Can Allah enter into his creation. It's a yes or no question?