Steep:
Where was it written that God would appear to Pharaoh?

Expanse2020:
No be today we de tell una say Paul doctrine different with the Jesus own...
See the problem don come and apostle Sulaman don finally caught him

Emusan:


If not because of ignorance, you should know that I didn't reject KJV but emphasis on simple comprehension. This happened everywhere some books explain or shield more light on a subject than others. Not that the rest aren't correct.

Well, this shows you truly lack understanding of the verse you're accusing Paul for.



If I'm cherry picking I won't provide more than three different translations that explained that verse in simple language.

So, since you're confused and lack comprehension I did that stressful work to enlighten you.



If I dodged it I won't provide up to 5 different translations that speak on the subject matter.
Maybe, you'll accuse me of translating those versions.



This where you failed to acknowledge your mistake and reason why you dodged my questions.

No one claim Paul is perfect and can't make mistake (personal life) but when it comes to God's work and teaching, do you think Jesus who called Paul to work will be watching and allows Paul to teach WRONG MESSAGE? Holy spirit was their to guide the Apostle on Gospel message just as Jesus Himself said.



Say your church and not that of the Christ and I never claim any where since I join nairaland that any human is perfect and infallible.

You can quote me wrong if you ever come across it.

We have Bible as God's word where we can cross check anyone today.

That's why I asked you, how will you address many things Jesus didn't talk about but were asked of Paul, if you're to be in Paul's shoe?

Will you lie Christ taught it or not?

Will Jesus correct Paul for any wrong teaching or leave him to be misleading people and teaching error?



All these are not necessary because I never said any human is infallible.

If you want to be truthful to yourself, answer my questions above.

MaxInDHouse:

Who promised to go down to Egypt and free the Israelites? Exodus 3:7-8
And who did Pharaoh and his People saw doing these things? Exodus 7:1

jesusjnr2020:
The King James version is the best and most accurate translation of the ancient texts of both old testament and new testament of the Bible, so for you to be desperately seeking other translations of the Bible in an attempt to dodge what is clearly stated there and needs no further explanation, shows that you cherry-pick what to believe in Paul's teachings.

It obviously contradicts and exposes the gross error of your belief that all of Paul's teachings were inspired of God, that why you're trying to dodge it by all possible means, even though Paul himself clearly stated it there.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Also you keep ignorantly saying why Jesus didn't correct him as if Jesus was here in person while Paul was preaching, so you would know when Jesus corrects or corrected him. At least you know Jesus severally corrected and rebuked (the erroneous teachings and beliefs of) His apostles after He chose them while He was here on Earth, to prove that even though He chose them, they're not inerrant and not all they say or teach was inspired of God as you blindly believe. Matthew 16:23.

And please stop continuously contradicting or lying to yourself that you never said any human is infallible or inerrant, because if you believe and repeatedly keep saying the teachings of apostle Paul cannot possibly have errors, it is tantamount to believing or saying he is inerrant or infallible. If you believe he is fallible, then the same goes for his teachings. You cannot eat your cake and still have it so stop this confusion please.

I believe only Christ is inerrant and consequently His teachings, hence why I distinguish His teachings from those of the apostles, which i believe could contain errors since they're not inerrant as Christ was.

Steep:
So where in these verses below did yahweh promise to go down to Egypt or appear to Pharaoh?
I am waiting.

Exodus 3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;

3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted answered your question!

Did He come down to save Israelites in Egypt or sent a representative (Moses) who served as God before Pharaoh? Exodus 7:1

So when God Almighty promised to come and end all badness of course it's His Son who will represent Him as Chief executioner not God Himself! Revelations 19:11-16



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Who promised to go down to Egypt and free the Israelites? Exodus 3:7-8

jesusjnr2020:
The King James version is the best and most accurate translation of the ancient texts of both old testament and new testament of the Bible, so for you to be desperately seeking other translations of the Bible in an attempt to dodge what is clearly stated there and needs no further explanation, shows that you cherry-pick what to believe in Paul's teachings.

It obviously contradicts and exposes the gross error of your belief that all of Paul's teachings were inspired of God, that why you're trying to dodge it by all possible means, even though Paul himself clearly stated it there.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

The bolded needed no further explanation, hence why most other translations of this verse didn't see the need to change it, but for the few warped translations you desperately searched out which didn't still exonorate you, but just made the clear saying ambiguous, which was enough encouragement for you to think you can twist it to escape from that saying which clearly exposes your hypocrisy and erroneous beliefs.

Tomorrow you will start accusing the JW's of the same, but here you are doing exactly the same thing to prove you're no different from them but just a fellow hypocrite.

Also you keep ignorantly saying why Jesus didn't correct him as if Jesus was here in person while Paul was preaching, so you would know when Jesus corrects or corrected him. At least you know Jesus severally corrected and rebuked (the erroneous teachings and beliefs of) His apostles after He chose them while He was here on Earth, to prove that even though He chose them, they're not inerrant and not all they say or teach was inspired of God as you blindly believe. Matthew 16:23.

And please stop continuously contradicting or lying to yourself that you never said any human is infallible or inerrant, because if you believe and repeatedly keep saying the teachings of apostle Paul cannot possibly have errors, it is tantamount to believing or saying he is inerrant or infallible. If you believe he is fallible, then the same goes for his teachings. You cannot eat your cake and still have it so stop this confusion please.

I believe only Christ is inerrant and consequently His teachings, hence why I distinguish His teachings from those of the apostles, which i believe could contain errors since they're not inerrant as Christ was.

Emusan:


You'll still write Yoruba language and pass before you can claim to understand it.

What did you score in Yoruba?



So the source you quoted have wrong interpretation and you still quoted it.

What a genius. Well, it's not new to me.

Remember your deluded brother has to quote an apostate to support his claim before his smell yansh was bursted.



John 1:1 put the Word before creation just proof my wrong by providing a single scholar who interpreted it differently.

Col 1:17 also supported John 1:1 by saying "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

You know the fraud your organisation did to Col 1:16-18 by inserting the dubious word "OTHER" multiple times to change the context.



Provide where I said it!
I know anytime you people are hit with truth, you then look for a way out. It's not new



But your source concluded that it's about ONE PERSON.

Now that your lie was exposed you're dancing in market Square.



I can give you full Bible study on this just tell my your problem first.

Steep:
Is it the father that is appearing or Jesus?

Aemmyjah:
John 1:1 associated Jesus having a beginning
He is before all things

But he's not before God, his father ans creator

Aemmyjah:
Same Paul wrote that this Jesus will never be seen again.
The appearance there is figurative - literal in the spiritual sense

Steep:

Where did yahweh promised to go down to Egypt?

Jesus is the one who will appear and Paul called him our great God and saviour.

MaxInDHouse:


@ Exodus 3:8
God promised to go down to Egypt and rescue the Israelites!

Jesus is the one coming in God's name just as Moses was the God who appeared before the enemies of God's people in Egypt! Exodus 7:1

Steep:
Typical of Jehovah false witness liars. you are nothing but a liar.
Why is it hard for you to show me the verse, where yahweh said he will go down to Egypt?
I have busted your lies.

MaxInDHouse:


Do you have Exodus 3:8 in your copy of the Bible?

Emusan:


This is Exo 3:8 where did God say He will go to Egypt?

CEV: and I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians. I will bring my people out of Egypt into a country where there is a lot of good land, rich with milk and honey. I will give them the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live.

KJV: And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

NLT: So I have come down to rescue them from the power of the Egyptians and lead them out of Egypt into their own fertile and spacious land. It is a land flowing with milk and honey—the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live.

Emusan:


See ignorance in play

So BEGINNING is not part of ALL THINGS.

At least you agreed that He is BEFORE ALL THINGS.



How can Jesus BEFORE HIS FATHER?

Since you agreed that Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS means Jesus is the Creator because ONLY GOD is BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Reason why the Father also called Himself 'The Beginning"

That is why your fraud organisation trying to change the narrative by inserting the word 'OTHER' multiple times in that Col 1:17-18 because of its implication if they agree that Jesus is actually BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Well, the truth is Col 1:18 still uphold Jesus as "The Beginning"

Well, glory be to God watchtower isn't in charge of manuscripts they'd have changed many things just to support their demonic doctrines.

I'm happy to announce to you that the word OTHER has no place in Greek manuscripts.

Emusan:


See ignorance in play

So BEGINNING is not part of ALL THINGS.

At least you agreed that He is BEFORE ALL THINGS.



How can Jesus BEFORE HIS FATHER?

Since you agreed that Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS means Jesus is the Creator because ONLY GOD is BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Reason why the Father also called Himself 'The Beginning"

That is why your fraud organisation trying to change the narrative by inserting the word 'OTHER' multiple times in that Col 1:17-18 because of its implication if they agree that Jesus is actually BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Well, the truth is Col 1:18 still uphold Jesus as "The Beginning"

Well, glory be to God watchtower isn't in charge of manuscripts they'd have changed many things just to support their demonic doctrines.

I'm happy to announce to you that the word OTHER has no place in Greek manuscripts.

GreatAchiever1:
■ Have you tried to understand why an Apostle will say such. The context is about marriage and in the case of verse 12, divorce. Now what did Jesus teach about divorce, Mt. 5:32; 19:9; Mk. 10:11; Lu. 16:18. Paul here is extending this to an unbelievable spouse, this does not mean it's his own personal opinion. This is something that is in line with what Christ taught on divorce and him (Paul) acknowledges that he teaches under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as he closes the subject matter on 1 Cor 7: 40.

GreatAchiever1:
Nobody is saying that the Apostle Paul or any other Apostle chosen by God is infallible. What we are saying is that the bible itself is infallible and inerrant. The words of Apostle Paul and others written in the Scriptures are written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -rejecting them is rejecting God.
No one except Jesus is infallible because no one lived a righteous life without sin.

Aemmyjah:


Nowhere did the father call himself the beginning
De cap nonsense

Kobojunkiee:
Your Bible is infallible yet it contains contradictory idea after idea? Do you even begin to understand what the word Infallible means?

P.S. Paul, in his letter to Timothy, did not say that your bible is infallible. Rather, what Paul said is that every word in Scripture that predates His letters, by the way, is inspired by God who owns all knowledge of Good and Evil. Those words do not mean the same things at all.

Aemmyjah:

De play
Jesus mentioned he has someone greater than he is

He's not before that one

Besides, do you translate Greek version word for word

Kobojunkiee:
So basically Paul added words into the EVERLASTING WORD of Jesus Christ which pertains only to those who are born-again for those who are not?

And somehow that which is against/contradicts Jesus Christ —changing His Everlasting WOrd to include that which Jesus Christ never allowed to begin with — is in line with Jesus Christ? Why is it that religion is ever saying the most illogical of things yet expecting people to accept it as being of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Come down to rescue..... from the hands or powers of Egypt!

@ Exodus 3:8
God promised to go down to Egypt and rescue the Israelites!

GreatAchiever1:
■ Infallible in simple terms means without error.
■ And no the bible doesn't contradict but explain itself.
■ Scripture interprets scripture, it doesn't contradict itself.
■ So hence according to you and some others; Scripture includes the Old Testament and the Gospels.

GreatAchiever1:
■ How does it contradict? Explain.

Kobojunkiee:
1. But there are records in the book which are of obvious error. So, how can you claim that the book is without error if there are erroneous recordings contained in it?

2. The book itself does not speak but the characters in the various books are recorded to have contradicted the Word of God on several occasions. So how can it be said that there are no contradictions contained within the pages of the book then?

3. Scripture interprets Scripture? What in the world does that even begin to mean? Could you be less ambiguous in the claims you make so I can better understand you abeg?

4. Not according to me but according to what we know of the time in question. Paul's letters were included in the compilation that is your bible at least 2 hundred years after he wrote his letter to Timothy and the churches. When Paul wrote his letter to Timothy, what he regarded scripture obviously did not include his letters.

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ declaring His Word everlasting means no man has power or authority to add or remove or change any of that which He declared. He is God's Law after all. And it is against God to add, change, or remove from His Law. According to you, Paul extended(changed) that which Jesus Christ previously declared to include His ideas. So, do you not see how what you accuse Paul of doing stands in direct violation of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ declaring His Word everlasting means no man has power or authority to add or remove or change any of that which He declared. He is God's Law after all. And it is against God to add, change, or remove from His Law. According to you, Paul extended(changed) that which Jesus Christ previously declared to include His ideas. So, do you not see how what you accuse Paul of doing stands in direct violation of Jesus Christ?

GreatAchiever1:
Proof.

■ In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

■ How many fighting men were found in Judah?
* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

■ God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

■ How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

■ How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

■ How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
* Three months (2 Kings 24:
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

■ The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

■ When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

■ How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

■ When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
* One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
* Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

■ How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
* Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
* Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)