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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 12:20pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

No, not millions of people. These were political leaders of their parties representing their respective regions. Four regions, major political parties, and selected representatives were at the constitutional conference to put together our independence constitution. Read, understand and use the brain. Stop fabricating tales off of your
What ignorance.

-Kiss the truth!

You are talking about 70 years ago, I am talking about today. Whatever Zik wanted or did not want 70 years ago is not half as important as what millions of people want today

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by TimeManager(m): 12:21pm On Jun 06
mrvitalis:

Go back read what I wrote.. Read what u wrote

Then read the article again slowly this time at a level your brain can comprehend
You can never absolve Zik, he was the leader of NCNC and Eastern region. The british had nothing to do with it, it was entirely Zik's self aggrandizement.

-Kiss the truth!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by chinchum(m): 12:23pm On Jun 06
AlexBells:

You are not in position to decide that but I can guarantee nobody in your generation yet comes close to Zik in smartness. Same secession later plunged the country to 3 years of civil war and you think Zik wasn’t smart in avoiding that in the first place.
could it be that you don't have the intelligence to correctly analyse the circumstances surrounding the wish of Awolowo or you are deliberately twisting facts?

Awolowo was not asking for succession, but that a succession clause be added to the constitution. What that would have guaranteed is providing a legal framework for any part of the country to make a case if they strongly want to leave Nigeria. In other words, it could have been enshrined in the constitution how succession can be actualized, possibly through a referendum of the people.
It is treason for anyone to simply declare succession, which is what Ojukwu did.
Awolowo was the greatest visionary Nigeria ever had.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:25pm On Jun 06
chinchum:
could it be that you don't have the intelligence to correctly analyse the circumstances surrounding the wish of Awolowo or you are deliberately twisting facts?

Awolowo was not asking for succession, but that a succession clause be added to the constitution. What that would have guaranteed is providing a legal framework for any part of the country to make a case if they strongly want to leave Nigeria. In other words, it could have been enshrined in the constitution how succession can be actualized, possibly through a referendum of the people.
It is treason for anyone to simply declare succession, which is what Ojukwu did.
Awolowo was the greatest visionary Nigeria ever had.
Was that the focus at the moment? And if he want secession why not he go the independence route alone with his region. He was the architect of the unrest’s we are having today. Leave Ojukwu out of this in his case Democracy was already quashed

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 12:25pm On Jun 06
Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

And what was Zik's response to Biafra

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by JAMO84: 12:29pm On Jun 06
Roger3D:
If Gowon had laid hands on him he would have most certainly be hung by the neck until dead
I wish he didn't escape

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by mrvitalis(m): 12:31pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

You can never absolve Zik, he was the leader of NCNC and Eastern region. The british had nothing to do with it, it was entirely Zik's self aggrandizement.

-Kiss the truth!
Obviously you lack basic reading n comprehension
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by chinchum(m): 12:38pm On Jun 06
AlexBells:

Was that the focus at the moment? And if he want secession why not he go the independence route alone with his region. He was the architect of the unrest’s we are having today. Leave Ojukwu out of this in his case Democracy was already quashed
writing gibberish. I believe this is beyond you.
Visionary people don't focus on the moment alone, they envision the future

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 12:38pm On Jun 06
AlexBells:

You are not in position to decide that but I can guarantee nobody in your generation yet comes close to Zik in smartness. Same secession later plunged the country to 3 years of civil war and you think Zik wasn’t smart in avoiding that in the first place.
How did he avoid that with no-secession clause. Your logic is flawed. If there was secession clause, even the Ijaw will stand as a separate nation today

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Ndimkpurummiri(m): 12:42pm On Jun 06
JAMO84:
I wish he didn't escape
he did not die well
HIV AIDS killed him

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by TimeManager(m): 12:46pm On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


You are talking about 70 years ago, I am talking about today. Whatever Zik wanted or did not want 70 years ago is not half as important as what millions of people want today
Today is the consequences of yesterday's decisions. It would be extremely difficult today to introduce such a clause ever again, that opportunity is gone. Zik was the leader of eastern region and NCNC, with selected representatives from his party, they were loud and clear that ibos were opposed to a secession clause and any other person advocating it should be charged for treason. Zik and his caucus were speaking for the ibos.

-Kiss the truth!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:49pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

How did he avoid that with no-secession clause. Your logic is flawed. If there was secession clause, even the Ijaw will stand as a separate nation today
An that to you is a definition of a country, I don’t want to waste my time indulging f0ols
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:50pm On Jun 06
chinchum:
writing gibberish. I believe this is beyond you.
Visionary people don't focus on the moment alone, they envision the future
That’s why Awo focused on that moment not knowing what secessionist ideology will write into the country, keep living on mirage
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 1:00pm On Jun 06
How long are we going to continue with this useless blame games, we should be talking about how to divide this country, let everybody go their way, i hate being called a Nigerian

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 1:02pm On Jun 06
AlexBells:
An that to you is a definition of a country, I don’t want to waste my time indulging f0ols
What is definition of a country
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 1:05pm On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


You are talking about 70 years ago, I am talking about today. Whatever Zik wanted or did not want 70 years ago is not half as important as what millions of people want today




Sense no go kill you

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 1:06pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

You can never absolve Zik, he was the leader of NCNC and Eastern region. The british had nothing to do with it, it was entirely Zik's self aggrandizement.

-Kiss the truth!





Can you stop fouling this thread with your demented ignorance!!

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by sharpwriter(m): 1:07pm On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


Zik is like many Nigerians of today who see a disaster of a country that should be dissolved, but want it to last forever. Zik could never understand that his vision of a A great united Nigeria was simply not possible, the people are too different

It was one disastrous vision Zik had, and he should have known better, that Nigeria would never work
You see, not all visions are realistic, some are FANTASIES and ILLUSIONS which deceive, and you see, many number of years, if not a lifetime can be wasted trying to fulfill it, such is the case of Nigeria.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 1:07pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

Today is the consequences of yesterday's decisions. It would be extremely difficult today to introduce such a clause ever again, that opportunity is gone. Zik was the leader of eastern region and NCNC, with selected representatives from his party, they were loud and clear that ibos were opposed to a secession clause and any other person advocating it should be charged for treason. Zik and his caucus were speaking for the ibos.

-Kiss the truth!




Only a unity beggar will make this kind of comment, spit

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 1:13pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

What is definition of a country
Check America, China, Russia, Netherlands, even Swiss, see if they throw the words secession around in the constitution. That’s the easiest way to invoke unrest with each region invoking such clause whenever things don’t work their way
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:24pm On Jun 06
mrvitalis:
So zik was not even the one that made the decision, he only debated in favour of it? The final decision was in the hands of a Brit... Who had already made up his mind not to include succession before zik debated?

If they can change national anthem they can change the Constitution this is not even a debate
Zik was an idiot and the major reason we have Nigeria. If he had sided with Awolowo, the British won't have a choice than to include secession clause.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:26pm On Jun 06
Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

He wasn't under obligation to do your bidding. You can't stab someone the back twice and expect him to bow to you a 3rd time.

Yes twice.
2nd time, Ahmadu Bello was threating to drag the north out of Nigeria if his party did not win and form a government, that crazy Zik as usual left his brothers in the South (Awolowo's Action group party and other southern minority parties), and headed up north to form alliances with Fulani man Ahmadu Bello.

Even Kwame Nkrumah was shocked as that was another opportunity to break away from the north but Zik blew it again all for a ceremonial presidential position.

Anyway, it's pointless crying over spilled milk.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:30pm On Jun 06
JAMO84:
So as at the time Ojukwu was trying to remove Biafra from Nigeria, he was commiting treason and actually deserved to be shot dead at bar Beach.


Azikwe made sure Nigeria is indivisible, but his children are crying all over social media today, telling ordinary citizens like me to let them go, as if I used rope to tie them.
That's why the coward fled to Ivory coast after slaughtering 3 million of his own people.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:31pm On Jun 06
smileyoo:
Indeed Mr Azikiwe contributed in placing us in this bondage like contraption called Nigeria because of his fanatical yet unrealistic believe in Nigerian unity as a nationalist, but 6 decades counting, his vision of Nigerian unity is still a mirage, proving chief Awolowo vindicated as a realist and a visionary leader.
even during the Biafra / Nigeria civil war, Mr Azikiwe was still sadly deluded by his personal conviction of the imaginary Nigeria unity, to the extent that he rigidly refused to lend any support to the Biafra struggle and the yearnings of our people, i wish he was still alive to see the precarious situation, that his illusion of imaginary national unity had placed upon the victimized citizens of Nigeria.
Indeed Awolowo was the best president that Nigeria never had.
100%. He fled to Lagos. And was even using his influence to stop foreign supporters backing Ojukwu to back off. He called Biafrian soldiers "rebels".

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 1:32pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

Today is the consequences of yesterday's decisions. It would be extremely difficult today to introduce such a clause ever again, that opportunity is gone. Zik was the leader of eastern region and NCNC, with selected representatives from his party, they were loud and clear that ibos were opposed to a secession clause and any other person advocating it should be charged for treason. Zik and his caucus were speaking for the ibos.

-Kiss the truth!

And if the British had not forced us together, nobody would be talking about any clause.

As Africans, we have to be very stupid to need secession clause to go our seperate ways. The white man brought us together, but we need secession clause before we can go our seperate ways? And if no secession clause, we will and kill our selves to keep a country created by the white man

It is shameful on our part as Africans

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:33pm On Jun 06
gidgiddy:


It's one of the reasons both tribes have no business being in one country
100%

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by smileyoo: 1:44pm On Jun 06
raskymonojendor:

100%. He fled to Lagos. And was even using his influence to stop foreign supporters backing Ojukwu to back off. He called Biafrian soldiers "rebels".
The so-called zik of Africa was a very useless leader to us, even to the point of being a liability to us, because i learned that some foreign powers wanted to support the Biafra struggle and demanded zik's opinion before doing so, but the clueless zik of Africa downplay the Biafra struggle, as just a few ambitious rebels deceiving the people of the eastern region, that he stood for one Nigeria.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by blacknp(m): 1:45pm On Jun 06
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 1:49pm On Jun 06
AlexBells:
Check America, China, Russia, Netherlands, even Swiss, see if they throw the words secession around in the constitution. That’s the easiest way to invoke unrest with each region invoking such clause whenever things don’t work their way
Not true. Secession is allowed in the UK that colonised us. States in the US freely joined the Union and were aware that there's no clause for breaking up. However, the USSC has given guidelines for secession. Switzerland has a form of secession in its law and France outrightly has one.
Having secession can lead to instability in the state I agree. But with every secession clause also comes a clause for joining back. Even China had a secession clause as at then.
The point being made is that Awolowo saw the imperfections of Nigeria as a country and advocated the secession clause to guard against the tendency of maximalist among the regions.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 1:50pm On Jun 06
smileyoo:
The so-called zik of Africa was a very useless leader to us, even to the point of being a liability to us, because i learned that some foreign powers wanted to support the Biafra struggle and demanded zik's opinion before doing so, but the clueless zik of Africa downplay the Biafra struggle, as just a few ambitious rebels deceiving the people of the eastern region, that he stood for one Nigeria.
I am sure if there was indeed an afterlife, he is currently regretting his actions. Even the British cannot form a country with their cousins French and Germany. Look at how they finished themselves in WW1 & WW2. That should have been a good example for Zik.

USSR 's secession clause as predicted by Awolowo ensured the country disintegrated when needed. Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians e.t.c are happier being outside Russia.

Oh well. It's late for that now. The Nigerian tribes are now only united in looting cheesy

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by T9ksy(m): 2:05pm On Jun 06
raskymonojendor:

Zik was an idiot and the major reason we have Nigeria. If he had sided with Awolowo, the British won't have a choice than to include secession clause.


Haba! That was a bit below the belt o!

Am sure, certified members of this exclusive group (idiots), will gladly and unambiguously, reject his membership application form. grin

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by leokid866: 2:07pm On Jun 06
JAMO84:
So which of your legislators has moved the motion or submitted a bill to the effect of changing the Constitution to let Biafra go?

You blame everyone for your own misery except your leaders. You want Biafra but it's others that must help you get it, you can't do it yourself.
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