Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Goodvibes007: 6:48pm On Jun 06 |
Wahabfuture:
I am not surprise that you believe Ekpa will make the same mistake, common sense is not actually common for everyone ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Kanu is like 100 times smarter than the Ekpa. And he got arrested. 3 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 6:48pm On Jun 06 |
Kukutente23:
That's not true. He knew he wouldn't get the PM if he aligned with NPC PM is for the party with the highest numbers in the parliament. His party did not have that. He could only be PM if he joined with AG. Why he spurned that is what I don't understand till today. Like I said, I suspect he was looking at Gov Glover instead of reading the independence constitution. Such a self-harming mistake!! Look at this two illiterates arguing with themselves
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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by confusedlady(f): 6:49pm On Jun 06 |
AlexBells:
That’s why he is a failure, those ideology, those are policies but still both Awo and Tinubu are failures Lol..... Probably one person from your family that sneaked to Lagos on a night bus enjoyed and benefited from Chief Awolowo's free education policy and ideology.....lol.... ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 6:49pm On Jun 06 |
A referendum can be done on anything including the unity of Nigeria. Remember, the constitution is meant for the people and not the people for the constitution. If the issue of secession cannot be discussed in constitution amendment today, it means even if it was in the 1960 constitution, it'd have been removed. Resource control was there but removed in the 1999 constitution Kukutente23:
Was that referendum to break up the country? It was a referendum to create a new region just as its possible in Switzerland. Reps just passed a bill to create a new state in the East. Does that mean Reps support secessionist calls from the East? 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Goodvibes007: 6:51pm On Jun 06 |
Kukutente23:
That's not true. He knew he wouldn't get the PM if he aligned with NPC PM is for the party with the highest numbers in the parliament. His party did not have that. He could only be PM if he joined with AG. Why he spurned that is what I don't understand till today. Like I said, I suspect he was looking at Gov Glover instead of reading the independence constitution. Such a self-harming mistake!! Form the horses mouth himself How Ibos Gave The NORTH The Edge To Run NIGERIA
How Zik allegedly betrayed Awo and pitched his tent with the North in 1959.
The parliamentary elections were held in Nigeria on 12 December, 1959. The result was a parliament that had no clear majority to form a government.
Zik’s National Council of Nigeria and Cameroon (NCNC) came first with 2,594,577 votes to get 81 seats.
Awolowo’s Action Group (AG), came 2nd with 1,992, 364 votes to get 73 seats.
However, Sir. Ahmadu Bello’s Northern People’s Congress (NPC) came a distant 3rd with 1,922,179 votes to get 134 of the 312 seats in the House of Representatives, despite getting fewer public votes.
The above three major political parties in the election did not get enough seats to form a government. So, an alliance had to be formed to determine who would rule Nigeria. It was a no brainer that Zik’s NCNC and Awolowo’s Action Group should make a coalition government as they came first and second respectively.
Awolowo then humbled himself and volunteered to be a deputy prime minister or finance minister in a coalition government with Zik as the Prime Minister.
This was because Zik’s NCNC party had more public votes and seats than Awolowo’s Action Group.
Zik invited Awolowo’s team to Asaba, the gateway between the Yoruba’s western region and the Igbo’s Eastern region to hold coalition talks.
The talks were a clever ruse to keep Action Group hopes high, so that the party could be kept distracted from meeting with other minor parties for talks. Other junior parties included: Northern Elements Progressive Union with 8 seats: Mobolaje Grand Alliance with 6 seats: Igala Union with 4 seats: Independents Candidate with 4 seats: Igbira Tribal Union with 4 seats and the Niger Delta Congress with 1 seat.
While the Action Group team was waiting in Asaba for a meeting with the NCNC, they read in the newspapers that Zik and the NCNC had gone up North and clinched a deal with Ahmadu Bello on forming a coalition government with the Northern People’s Congress (NPC).
Tafawa Balewa would be the Prime Minister of Nigeria, while ZIk would be a ceremonial, Governor-General.
Even the President of Ghana, Dr. Nkrumah was shocked. He asked why ZIk, having expended so much energy, fighting for colonial emancipation and settling for a toothless bulldog role when Nigeria needed him the most.
Zik wrote in his autobiography why he did not go for a coalition government with Awolowo;
In 1947, with over £13,500 raised from the Yoruba people and given to the NCNC. Zik had led other six prominent NCNC delegates to London to protest the obnoxious laws of Governor Arthur Richards.
The trip ended in failure with backbiting, abuses and accusation of theft leveled against Zik.
Zik’s opponents in the NCNC, accused him of squandering the money and the trust of Nigerians. Zik replied, insinuating that the Yoruba in the team, who were: Mrs. Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti, Prince Adeleke Adedoyin, and Dr Olorunnimbe, were the problem. There erupted a heated and prolonged press war among Zik’s political associates reminiscence of what happed in his West African Pilot and H.O Davie’s Political Panorama in the Daily Service. The incident spurred the Igbo in Lagos rushing to buy machetes in large numbers, thinking a tribal war was imminent. The Governor and his General Secretary, Hugh Foot quickly called ZIk and H.O Davies to order at the Government House. Zik went away with the resolve that “the Yoruba must not be allowed to rule over others in Nigeria”.
And later, Daily Service published the speech of Zik in 1949 about Igbo being destined by God to conquer and rule over others.
That speech, among others, was later to explain why Zik rejected Awolowo’s offer of a coalition government in 1959 and instead decided to work with the FULANI
The Fulani had been reading Zik and the Igbo through the lens of his 1949 speech ever since. The Fulani’s way of neutralizing Zik when the opportunity came in 1959 was to offer him a powerless post, which surprisingly Zik and the NCNC dutifully accepted in place of being Nigeria’s first Prime Minister.
ZIk had thought that the Igbo could easily manipulate the Fulani unlike the educated Yoruba. He thus manipulated Balewa to arrest Awolowo in 1962 and to have him jailed for 10 years in 1963 for treasonable felony.
Zik also manipulated Balewa to remove from the Western Region the Edo, Urhobo, Isekiri and western Ijaw that account for 70% of the oil wealth in Nigeria and created for them Mid-Western Region.
Zik’s hatred for the Yoruba gave the Fulani the impetus to rule over others in Nigeria. The coup plotters tried to rectify Zik’s mistake in 1966. And unfortunately, they killed other ethnic group leaders and left their leaders, which resulted to the civil war.
Britain did not really hand over Nigeria to the Fulani, Nigeria was given over to the Fulani by the Igbo. However, to hold on to power in Nigeria, the Fulani enlisted the backing of the self-serving career politicians in England.[/b]
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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by raskymonojendor: 6:54pm On Jun 06 |
Goodvibes007:
Kanu is like 100 times smarter than the Ekpa. And he got arrested. I was on a twitter space of IPOB members yesterday. I laughed so hard I almost fell of my seat when they started asking for donation to buy groundnuts as they called it (bullets) for the boys on ground. How can people that claim to be educated, even the ones abroad, fall for such grifter like Ekpa. It was very obvious Ekpa was just using their heads to enrich himself. Even Kanu warmed them against Ekpa 😂 4 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:56pm On Jun 06 |
confusedlady:
Lol..... Probably one person from your family that sneaked to Lagos on a night bus enjoyed and benefited from Chief Awolowo's free education policy and ideology.....lol.... ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) And how did that leave Lagos? Deep in debt just like other western states. You foolery forgot teachers don’t fall from heaven but paid. You guys deserve to be recolonized 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by gidgiddy: 6:59pm On Jun 06 |
7lives:
Seriously?. Have you watched the movie titled rat race?. Go and watch it, those mother and daughter that ended up in a ditch, only needs to buy a squirrel. Life is give and take, first Zik stood against Southern Nigerian independence, as the North says they are not ready. Southern Nigeria waited for three years, to get the North to agree to independence. Secession clause Zik bungler that again, just look at what happened in the last 70 year, those calamities wouldn't have been necessary. no wonder Yoruba elders no they do politics with the Igbos, you people can't see into the future. That's the tragedy called a Nigerian A Nigerian is still answering a colonial name a white woman created in London over 100 years ago, as his national identity A Nigerian is still claiming a country the British created over over 100 years ago, as his own A Nigerian is still talking about if Zik wanted secession clause in 1954, 70 years ago But once you say let's allow people to decide their name and country in 2024, via referendum, they will say no So how does the Nigerian think he will ever get anywhere in this jet age with such backward looking mindset? The union of Nigeria has been a disaster, the British should never have brought us together |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Goodvibes007: 6:59pm On Jun 06 |
TimeManager:
Really?. Ijaws, Efik, Ibibio Itshekiri, Igala and the rest of them were not there?. Why not let them their own space too?. Domination is sweet, right?
-Kiss the truth! Zik was stupid, but also not very stupid. He was able to manipulate the north to help wrestle Bendel from the Western region to create the Midwest, but Zik and Bello refused to give up the minorities in their own region. I.e. South South and North Central respectively. 2 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 7:01pm On Jun 06 |
Kukutente23:
I don't know what makes you think you speak for 90% of Igbo. I have never voted in Igboland so how are your elected leaders my selection? Let's leave that aside. 99% of Igbos voted for Peter Obi. At least you don't contest that do you? Has Obi ever advocated for secession? Is he not saying a new Nigeria is possible? And 90% of Igbo believe him!! So who is the unity beggar now? (1) I am an Igbo and we all knew what we want (2) ,is sit at home not enough proof? yes the people obey and enjoy it so much, can you stop asking me childish questions? we vote because we are still part of Nigeria at the moment which gives us right to vote until we are no longer part of Nigeria, you still remain unity beggar and you know that deep down your heart |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Wahabfuture: 7:06pm On Jun 06 |
confusedlady:
Lol..... Probably one person from your family that sneaked to Lagos on a night bus enjoyed and benefited from Chief Awolowo's free education policy and ideology.....lol.... ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Stop making fun of yourself on Nairaland, he's a useless bigot |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 7:07pm On Jun 06 |
Wahabfuture:
Look at this two illiterates arguing with themselves I'm not arguing with him I'm telling it as it is. I'm not into all this useless Yoruba vs Igbo e-fights. Azikiwe could only become PM if he aligned with Awo's AG. That's what the 1960 Constitution says. The party with the highest seats in a coalition produces the PM. 5 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by erniok2: 7:14pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: So what was Amadu Bello's position? He wanted out. He was a core tribalist but wasn't called to the presentation. If he had appeared, I doubt if the country Nigeria would have existed today. 2 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by T9ksy(m): 7:15pm On Jun 06 |
Kukutente23:
I'm not arguing with him I'm telling it as it is. I'm not into all this useless Yoruba vs Igbo e-fights. Azikiwe could only become PM if he aligned with Awo's AG. That's what the 1960 Constitution says. The party with the highest seats in a coalition produces the PM. Had Zik aligned with Awo, the sardunna would have exited the union. He sees the rest of us southerners, as infidels and the last thing he needed was to place himself and his people under the rule of infidels. 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Raf4: 7:28pm On Jun 06 |
Armaggedon: Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.
One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.
For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.
You people are just too daftt to think that Awolowo, a blooody civilian, should have led the SW/Yoruba people in joining Biafra war to ceased from Nigeria. 5 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by CJStarz: 7:30pm On Jun 06 |
hegelian:
this is what gives you joy..
Suffering of the people Tribal Hatred Ethnic Bigotry
The three things above are what gives you erection.. but Helinues why are you so evil and wicked, why are you so full of hate that all you want is the destruction of your country![](/faces/huh.png)
omo your hatred is on another level..
Public enemy number 1 of nigeria You don finish the guy so😂 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 7:30pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: A referendum can be done on anything including the unity of Nigeria. Remember, the constitution is meant for the people and not the people for the constitution.
If the issue of secession cannot be discussed in constitution amendment today, it means even if it was in the 1960 constitution, it'd have been removed. Resource control was there but removed in the 1999 constitution All these talk of Constitution got the people is philosophical B'S. It doesn't mean anything tangible in the real world. Resource control was removed by Gowon in the 1970s not 1999 Constitution. The 1999 Constitution is silent about it which is why the NASS could make a law for 13% derivation. By the wordings of the Constitution however, secession is not allowed so a question if referendum can't arise 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 7:34pm On Jun 06 |
Goodvibes007:
Form the horses mouth himself
Who is this horse and how does this drivel prove that Zik thought he could become PM in a coalition with NPC? Are you saying Zik was not aware of how govts are formed in a parliamentary system |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 7:36pm On Jun 06 |
T9ksy:
Had Zik aligned with Awo, the sardunna would have exited the union. He sees the rest of us southerners, as infidels and the last thing he needed was to place himself and his people under the rule of infidels. How would he have exited the Union? By secession? How will that be possible? |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 7:44pm On Jun 06 |
Constitution is just a document on how we chose to govern ourselves, its not some sacred document to worship. We can and should change it. We can then introduce the secession clause. We're alive and can do what we want Kukutente23:
All these talk of Constitution got the people is philosophical B'S. It doesn't mean anything tangible in the real world. Resource control was removed by Gowon in the 1970s not 1999 Constitution. The 1999 Constitution is silent about it which is why the NASS could make a law for 13% derivation. By the wordings of the Constitution however, secession is not allowed so a question if referendum can't arise |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 7:47pm On Jun 06 |
But when Awolowo and the North through Gowon got power, the made such nobody goes out. Thats means they never really wanted out erniok2: He wanted out. He was a core tribalist but wasn't called to the presentation. If he had appeared, I doubt if the country Nigeria would have existed today. |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Peterobiisathie(f): 7:48pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: A referendum can be done on anything including the unity of Nigeria. Remember, the constitution is meant for the people and not the people for the constitution.
If the issue of secession cannot be discussed in constitution amendment today, it means even if it was in the 1960 constitution, it'd have been removed. Resource control was there but removed in the 1999 constitution Simon Ekpa already conducted Leflendum in Alaigbo so let Ibo implement it 3 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 7:50pm On Jun 06 |
You have narrow mind. Listen to elders like Akintoye, nothing good will come out of Nigeria if things are not changed drastically Peterobiisathie: Simon Ekpa already conducted Leflendum in Alaigbo so let Ibo implement it |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by confusedlady(f): 7:50pm On Jun 06 |
Wahabfuture:
I am not surprise that you believe Ekpa will make the same mistake, common sense is not actually common for everyone ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Okay....marked for future reference...... 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by erniok2: 7:54pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: But when Awolowo and the North through Gowon got power, the made such nobody goes out. Thats means they never really wanted out How did you come about Awolowo made sure no one got out. Any proof. 2 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 7:57pm On Jun 06 |
Wahabfuture:
(1) I am an Igbo and we all knew what we want (2) ,is sit at home not enough proof? yes the people obey and enjoy it so much, can you stop asking me childish questions? we vote because we are still part of Nigeria at the moment which gives us right to vote until we are no longer part of Nigeria, you still remain unity beggar and you know that deep down your heart Let me get you straight. Are you saying you're being forced to vote? I think the sit at home is more forced than voluntary. People are scared for their safety. No such thing when it comes to voting. That said, are you saying if Obi were to become president today, the Igbo agenda required if him will be to actualize Biafra? I'm sure you and I will agree that will not be the case. There are almost as many Igbo outside Biafra as there are in Biafra. Igbo have more stake and benefit in Nigeria collectively than any other tribe 5 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 8:03pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: Constitution is just a document on how we chose to govern ourselves, its not some sacred document to worship. We can and should change it. We can then introduce the secession clause. We're alive and can do what we want That's true but the majority don't want that. Like let's look at it from this view How do you think the referendum will look like? Is it going to be confined to the East or throughout the country? Who will move the motion in the present structure? Who will oversee the referendum? You'll agree it's a near impossibility |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by T9ksy(m): 8:04pm On Jun 06 |
Kukutente23:
How would he have exited the Union? By secession? How will that be possible? And who would have stopped him? In fact, after their successful revenge coup, their next chant was "Araba" until they were convinced to stay, and dominate the country with their new found power. 1 Like |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 8:07pm On Jun 06 |
T9ksy:
And who would have stopped him? In fact, after their successful revenge coup, their next chant was "Araba" until they were convinced to stay, and dominate the country with their new found power. Was the sadaurna not dead before the coup? There's no way the North will have seceded in 1960 |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 8:11pm On Jun 06 |
He was a proponent of dividing the 4 regions to 12 states with the creation of Lagos State( different from the original Lagos colony) He also made sure Biafra never succeed by suggesting starvation to Gowon and justifying it with the statement that all is fair in war(its against the Geneva convention to use starvation by way of food blockade) Awolowo fears domination so much that he wants to remain in Nigeria but doesn't wanna be alone with the North erniok2:
How did you come about Awolowo made sure no one got out. Any proof. |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Kukutente23: 8:22pm On Jun 06 |
DMerciful: He was a proponent of dividing the 4 regions to 12 states with the creation of Lagos State( different from the original Lagos colony)
He also made sure Biafra never succeed by suggesting starvation to Gowon and justifying it with the statement that all is fair in war(its against the Geneva convention to use starvation by way of food blockade)
Awolowo fears domination so much that he wants to remain in Nigeria but doesn't wanna be alone with the North This is not true. Federalism of states was actually initially advocated by Tafawa Balewa in 1954 3 Likes |
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DMerciful(m): 8:34pm On Jun 06 |
It was advocated by Balewa but the execution and concunrrence were by Gowon and Awolowo Una just absolved Awolowo of everything when his fight with Akintola led to the coup Kukutente23:
This is not true. Federalism of states was actually initially advocated by Tafawa Balewa in 1954 1 Like |