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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 8:56pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


I want to wash tinubu feet

You have a servant's heart!
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 8:56pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Tinubu is right

Ha.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 8:58pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


I am a Alsatian. I fetch nairalanda1's newspapers in return for dog treats. Nairalanda1 is a good master

Good boy!
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 8:59pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:

Why can't you leave me alone?.

Because I cannot tolerate people calling me a murderer
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:00pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:

I am a violator of nairaland rules I have two monicker DeepsightX and Deepsight.

Mods, check this guy out.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:02pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


As my pet ferret told me, smoke 39 packs of cigarettes every third Tuesday of the month for a year, and you will have a harem of 500 wives in ten years. My pet ferret is my source of inspiration

My goodness. So if you listen to a ferret, no wonder you think I am a murderer
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:04pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:

I identify as a five year old girl .

Wow, and am sure not many five year olds go round calling people murderers
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:05pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


I am a little teacup

Short and stout
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:09pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


You are a murderer .

You obviously don't want to be humble
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:10pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


I am Ryan Gosling .

Hmm, no wonder you think I am a murderer
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:10pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:

I love muscles.

Hmm, I see.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:11pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Heinrich Himmler was right. He did nothing wrong. .

Hmm, so that's why you think I am a murderer
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:13pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Thi is obviously how you intend the spend the night.

Enjoy.

You came close with Elizabeth Bathory though.

If you take no risks, you will suffer no defeats. But if you take no risks, you win no victories.

Richard M. Nixon
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:14pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Thi is obviously how you intend the spend the night.

Enjoy.

You came close with Elizabeth Bathory though.

I am doing this because no one taught you that there are consequences for every action.

SO, until I see an apology for calling me a murderer, you better man up, buttercup.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:15pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Thi is obviously how you intend the spend the night.

Enjoy.

You came close with Elizabeth Bathory though.

Surround yourself with the best people you can find, delegate authority, and don't interfere as long as the policy you've decided upon is being carried out.

Ronald Reagan
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 9:16pm On Jul 23
DeepsightX:


Thi is obviously how you intend the spend the night.

Enjoy.

You came close with Elizabeth Bathory though.

We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!

Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, “Dogmatism And ‘Freedom of Criticism’” (1901)
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by confusedlady(f): 9:26pm On Jul 23
AlexBells:

The thing I don’t fancy about you is that you always talk without considering timing. In 1954, what value will Zik stand on to support secession when the bone of contention was independence. Zik was a great guy. Awo was being delusional. Yes today Nigeria seems chaotic but that wasn’t the case in 1954. In fact the North opposed independence but Awo was proposing secession which could have plunged the young country into chaos of course at the end it did, Zik has long been vindicated.

Your Ibo supremacist agenda is not ever hidden.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by confusedlady(f): 9:30pm On Jul 23
AlexBells:

You are not in position to decide that but I can guarantee nobody in your generation yet comes close to Zik in smartness. Same secession later plunged the country to 3 years of civil war and you think Zik wasn’t smart in avoiding that in the first place.

So why was Azikiwe with Ojukwu as his extraordinary ambassador when Biafra was declared in 1967?

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Queseda: 9:57pm On Jul 23
flokii:
Nnamdi Azikiwe opposed secession clause in our constitution in the early days because he thought Nigeria in its entirety will fall under Igbo domination.. he has several quotes about some gods giving Igbos dominance over Nigeria credited to him. Let them not deceive you that they wanted regionalism or federalism and whatnot.
Ahmadu Bello pointed it out clearly in his interview that Igbos took over all the Governmemt jobs in the North and he changed everything to ensure Northerners get jobs in their region. That made him introduce the " Northerner first" policy which has favoured Northerners till date.

That is why it's always good to think deeply before acting.. they orchestrated first blo0dy coup d'etat on 15 January, 1966 but Northerners fought back and took power for themselves while docile Yorubas looked on.

You Yorubas are too docile even up till now. They cant try what they try with you here in the North

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by flokii: 11:20pm On Jul 23
Queseda:

You Yorubas are too docile even up till now. They cant try what they try with you here in the North

Some are docile, not all.. someone like me can't be cheated or played again in this life by any tribe or group. I'm too exposed to fall.
My time in the North has shown me flaws of my people especially Lagosians.. we have allowed too many rubbish in our territory.

That's the reason we are telling our people in the West who haven't crossed SW borders to wise up and protect our region and heritage. Any small riot in North, killings go start, reason the SE don't venture near North or attempt to call any of Northern lands 'no man's land'. They prefer to head South West and attack Yorubas.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 6:47am On Jul 24
DeepsightX:


Well said bro.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Like calls to like.


Deep to.deep
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 6:48am On Jul 24
DeepsightX:


Well said bro.

Still waiting for that apology.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DeepsightX: 7:38am On Aug 02
DeepsightX:


I am not an atheist.

nairalanda1 are you now happy that you see what the policies you advocate are causing?
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 11:11am On Aug 02
DeepsightX:


nairalanda1 are you now happy that you see what the policies you advocate are causing?

Well, we can pay 80% of next year's budget and borrow to fill in the deficit so that we can have N100 per liter fuel.

And we can keep losing billions to the smuggling

And the refineries can all go to pot.

But you got to have that cheap fuel.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 11:23am On Aug 02
DeepsightX:


nairalanda1 are you now happy that you see what the policies you advocate are causing?

It's nice to see you are not being abusive for once.

At the moment, Nigeria cannot afford subsidy. I know you think they can, but for you, this is not about my views on subsidy

It is because you think I support the people that got your beloved GEJ out of power. That is what is all this is all about.

That's why someone as intelligent as you are opposes subsidy removal. If your side was in power, you would be supporting me. But your side is not in power, that is why you are opposing me

Suffice to know that in 2011, I got a wake up cann

1. I learned, from a government propaganda advert , that subsidy does not really help the poorest of the poor.

2.GEJ's partial removal of subsidy reduced subsidy costs from 34 to 2 naira. And the savings gave us sure p and other things.

But because you have allowed your side to keep you in check, you don't see that, you don't see that I am one of those Nigerians who is not on your side or the agbado side, and who tends to see things dispassionately. That is why you are so abusive.

I know you won't be convinced by my comments, but suffice to know that before 2011 december, I was like you. I beleived in subsidy, always had, always thought that any attempt to remove subsidy was evil, was wrong, was not right. I was among those who mocked one of OBasanjo's ministars who said that subsidy should be removed because fuel was cheaper than coke.

Then in 2011, I woke up. And I realized a lot of things. And I realized that even though I did not like PDP, it was time to put aside my anger at how they had wrecked our economy, and at least support them on this side.


That is my story.


But you won't see it because you just want to bully and to abuse me. LIke most NIgerians you have this idea that being abusive makes you wiser, makes you stronger. It does not. It only makes you look bad. And the fact that I respond to you and even joke quote you is to keep myself from abusing you back, because I can and I could give as good as you got. And I do. But it won't benefit me, it would only make me feel sick and it would only make me feel ill.


You don't like my support for subsidy removal. FIne. It's your view. But know this...I do not want Nigeria to end up being so indebted that we can't pay any thing just because we want to help the poor. See what 40 years of subsidy and helping the poor has done. Nothing.





But you don't see this because you are angry and bitter, and you back a side. Yeah, that's true. I am angry, but I ain't going to let my anger blind me to good solutuons

Who said building a nation was easy.


Good morning. You are free not to read this, and you are free to continue in the same vein, and I am free to respond as I see fit.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by nairalanda1(m): 11:41am On Aug 02
DeepsightX:


nairalanda1 are you now happy that you see what the policies you advocate are causing?

If you want a view of why we have the problems we have now

1. Pass the books , hold the oil

2. Dutch disease and Nigeria

3. Dutch disease and Nigeria no 2

4. Managing the Dutch disease in NIgeria, excerpt


5. Dr Field Ruwe on development


I will add, that for most African countries, at independence, we chose the route of selling resources, and sharing the money realized from selling the resources. Which worked until the population outgrew the ability of the revenue from those resources to be equtably shared. Add corruption and stealing, and matter is worse.

Another thing is that if we shared our budget for this year among all of us...everyone would get N120000 for the year. That's not enough, but it also shows that even before looting, the money is not enough. That is why fighting corruption won't do much...except bring in more investment, and make life a bit easier, and it has to be done, but ulitmately, we need to make more money.

And it can be done by learning from the above links.

Subsidy removal and its effects is the symptom of a larger problem, which I am attempting to define here. It is by no means the cause.

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by DeepsightX: 12:08pm On Aug 02
nairalanda1:


It's nice to see you are not being abusive for once.

At the moment, Nigeria cannot afford subsidy. I know you think they can, but for you, this is not about my views on subsidy

It is because you think I support the people that got your beloved GEJ out of power. That is what is all this is all about.

That's why someone as intelligent as you are opposes subsidy removal. If your side was in power, you would be supporting me. But your side is not in power, that is why you are opposing me

Suffice to know that in 2011, I got a wake up cann

1. I learned, from a government propaganda advert , that subsidy does not really help the poorest of the poor.

2.GEJ's partial removal of subsidy reduced subsidy costs from 34 to 2 naira. And the savings gave us sure p and other things.

But because you have allowed your side to keep you in check, you don't see that, you don't see that I am one of those Nigerians who is not on your side or the agbado side, and who tends to see things dispassionately. That is why you are so abusive.

I know you won't be convinced by my comments, but suffice to know that before 2011 december, I was like you. I beleived in subsidy, always had, always thought that any attempt to remove subsidy was evil, was wrong, was not right. I was among those who mocked one of OBasanjo's ministars who said that subsidy should be removed because fuel was cheaper than coke.

Then in 2011, I woke up. And I realized a lot of things. And I realized that even though I did not like PDP, it was time to put aside my anger at how they had wrecked our economy, and at least support them on this side.


That is my story.


But you won't see it because you just want to bully and to abuse me. LIke most NIgerians you have this idea that being abusive makes you wiser, makes you stronger. It does not. It only makes you look bad. And the fact that I respond to you and even joke quote you is to keep myself from abusing you back, because I can and I could give as good as you got. And I do. But it won't benefit me, it would only make me feel sick and it would only make me feel ill.


You don't like my support for subsidy removal. FIne. It's your view. But know this...I do not want Nigeria to end up being so indebted that we can't pay any thing just because we want to help the poor. See what 40 years of subsidy and helping the poor has done. Nothing.





But you don't see this because you are angry and bitter, and you back a side. Yeah, that's true. I am angry, but I ain't going to let my anger blind me to good solutuons

Who said building a nation was easy.


Good morning. You are free not to read this, and you are free to continue in the same vein, and I am free to respond as I see fit.


Well it's good we are now having a good conversation.

I apologize for calling you a murderer.

Pls forgive me. It was out of frustration.

By the way I didn't support GEJ.

He was corrupt.

Good afternoon and let's now be friends.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Sunrise258: 9:41pm On Sep 26
Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.


You don't know how to read and understand and that makes a mumu. By the time armed robber Ojukwu was fighting for cessation, it was already treasonable and that caused mass death of Igbo. Awo was by far more sensible than Zik & Ojukwu combined. He knew cessation at the time was like mass suicide. Besides when he fought for cessation clause inclusiveness in the constitution, Zik was busy antagonistic. British listened to Zik bc he had the majority back then and his children get stuck till date

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Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Uchek(m): 11:23pm On Sep 26
OLODO RABATA! Treason based on what constitution? Treason determined by who? Treason according to whose judgement? Gowon?

JAMO84:
So as at the time Ojukwu was trying to remove Biafra from Nigeria, he was commiting treason and actually deserved to be shot dead at bar Beach.


Azikwe made sure Nigeria is indivisible, but his children are crying all over social media today, telling ordinary citizens like me to let them go, as if I used rope to tie them.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Uchek(m): 11:24pm On Sep 26
You described Awo accurately. He was a two-faced & duplicitous Yoruba man.

Armaggedon:
Zik stood for regionalism and federalism with financial and legislative autonomy where the regions developed in their own pace. No contradictions.

One of the most confusing figures in Nigeria's history was Awolowo. He claimed he wanted secession and zik rejected. But when the opportunity presented itself during Biafra, the same Awolowo made a complete U-turn and and started fighting for a unitary one Nigeria as championed by gowon. His attitude justified Zik's opinions about him.

For those who claim his demand was in good faith, his demand was rediculous and he knew it. He was neither here no there. There is no sovereign state in the world that has secession in it's constitution. If he truly wanted his region to be alone he should have demanded a pre-independence referendum like southern Cameroon or pre-independence partitioning as in British India. Opting for a secession clause instead of pre-independence referendum clearly indicated lack of commitment to specific ideology from Awolowo. You can't officially keep one leg in the country and keeping one outside. A snake he was.
Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by Dalohad: 11:26pm On Sep 26
JAMO84:
So as at the time Ojukwu was trying to remove Biafra from Nigeria, he was commiting treason and actually deserved to be shot dead at bar Beach.


Azikwe made sure Nigeria is indivisible, but his children are crying all over social media today, telling ordinary citizens like me to let them go, as if I used rope to tie them.

Jamiu, Zik argued against it, he was not the final arbiter or decider, the Brits were.

Go school, you say na Ile-Kewu you go do. grin

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