tctrills:

People like you make me laugh. Rich public servants? How does that even sound in your ears.
Oga if you are talking about encouraging public servants you should be talking about teachers, nurses and doctors not some unskilled labour tax collectors and definitely not a mega corrupt organization.

Unskilled labour tax collectors? What do you know about FIRS or NUPRC or NIMASA? How many departments of these agencies can you mention and name their responsibilities? You make me laugh. Stop relying on beer parlour gist.

AmiableMosquito:
Did anyone ask the state governors not to be productive and proactive in terms of IGR? Must they depend on the GOEs for survival? You are part of the problem with this type of mentality.

How is FIRS productive?

AmiableMosquito:
I don't understand what this news article aims to achieve. These are productive revenue generating agencies of government that brings the bulk of the money that the lazy and unproductive state governors come to share in Abuja monthly and which they subsequently loot and plunder to the detriment of the citizens.

If these agencies meet and even sometimes surpass their targets, there is nothing wrong in taking a cost of collection for smooth operations. Afterall, these agencies are self-funded and do not rely on the national treasury to pay their staff. If not for these league of GOEs, a majority of other government agencies are more of liabilities than assets, with many of them not carrying out their core mandate because they are either too clueless or constrained to do so.

Corollary:
FIRS collects VAT for alcohol but Kano state despite banning alcohol will sit back and enjoy the proceeds of the VAT via FIRS.

Zamfara does not remit any revenue from gold mining but wants to vilify NUPRC for retaining 4% of its revenue.

Osun State has gold, vast agricultural lands, cocoa and other minerals resources in commercial quantities but wants to be dragging monthly revenue with Nigeria Customs Service.

Oh, you want FIRS staff to be on the same salary scale as National Gallery of Arts staff. Or NUPRC staff to be on the same scale as National Orientation Agency staff? Even the 36 states in Nigeria don't take the same amount as monthly allocations. Without these GOEs, many other civil servants won't get salaries including your police and army . Period!

Is it their private money??
This is public funds so you cannot ascribe entitlement based on what they generate

AmiableMosquito:
Unskilled labour tax collectors? What do you know about FIRS or NUPRC or NIMASA? How many departments of these agencies can you mention and name their responsibilities? You make me laugh. Stop relying on beer parlour gist.

You and your government are the funny ones here. But it's too corrupt that one can't laugh.
You spend more money on FIRS than you do on education and health and you don't see anything wrong with it? Your entire government is a beer palour government. Stop encouraging corruption.
Just so you know. I have friends working at FIRS and I know what some of them studied in the university. As I said, it's a bunch of privileged unskilled labourers.

Beautifulday:


How is FIRS productive?

Good question. They have consistently increased and surpassed their revenue targets for six consecutive years, hitting a surplus of about 110% in 2022. Tell me which state you are from and how your state government has been able to replicate same with their IGR.

Through the deployment of ICT, FIRS ensures that the ESD is remitted correctly and promptly by the banks who previously underreported the accrued revenue from ESD. How has your state governor leveraged on ICT to increase IGR?

Labor leaders are a bunch of lazy, selfish, self-centered, unrealistic, corrupt, people with no atom of Mars sympathy in their heart. They and the politicians are taking us for a ride.

tomdon:



Is it their private money??
This is public funds so you cannot ascribe entitlement based on what they generate

Okay!

tctrills:

You and your government are the funny ones here. But it's too corrupt that one can't laugh.
You spend more money on FIRS than you do on education and health and you don't see anything wrong with it? Your entire government is a beer palour government. Stop encouraging corruption.
Just so you know. I have friends working at FIRS and I know what some of them studied in the university. As I said, it's a bunch of privileged unskilled labourers.

The amount allocated to health and education was generated by who in the first place?

Thanks for pointing out where your grievance is coming from. Your inability to join your friends at FIRS.

Have you told your friends to their face that they are "privileged unskilled labourers" or are you just a hypocrite? Have a nice holiday!

AmiableMosquito:
Good question. They have consistently increased and surpassed their revenue targets for six consecutive years, hitting a surplus of about 110% in 2022. Tell me which state you are from and how your state government has been able to replicate same with their IGR.

Through the deployment of ICT, FIRS ensures that the ESD is remitted correctly and promptly by the banks who previously underreported the accrued revenue from ESD. How has your state governor leveraged on ICT to increase IGR?

FIRS is a revenue collection agency. They aren't productive in any form. Their job is to tax. They shouldn't have such budget. There are not the first tax collection agency in the world. They should be paid like any other agency. They are doing their job like any other agency.

If they have target they are meeting then they have either been fraudulent or not doing their jobs before. Celebrating a man who is doing his job more than necessary is mediocrity.

Beautifulday:


FIRS is a revenue collection agency. They aren't productive in any form. Their job is to tax. They shouldn't have such budget. There are not the first tax collection agency in the world. They should be paid like any other agency. They are doing their job like any other agency.

If they have target they are meeting then they have either been fraudulent or not doing their jobs before. Celebrating a man who is doing his job more than necessary is mediocrity.

NIPOST is also a revenue generating agency. The IRS in your state is also a revenue generating agency. Why are they underperforming? Remove the log in your eyes before attempting to remove the speck in another's.

Please have a nice holiday. I'm done with this thread.

immortalcrown:
You are not logical here. How much they generate should not determine how much they get.

How many new workers do they employ yearly? How many vehicles do they replace yearly and why? These, for example, are what determine how much they should get as allocation. They collected more than many states put together, and you are here talking nonsense.

I will ignore your insane rantings which is clearly evidence of bad upbringing. Everyone who is on social media isn't your mate. Many are not even your father's mate. Just you be rude to disagree ? The goose that lays the golden egg deserves to be pampered. You may disagree but you needn't be obnoxious in the process

AmiableMosquito:
NIPOST is also a revenue generating agency. The IRS in your state is also a revenue generating agency. Why are they underperforming? Remove the log in your eyes before attempting to remove the speck in another's.

Please have a nice holiday. I'm done with this thread.

Performance is not the issue and has never been but the corruption that will allow FIRS that is less than 100,000 employees nationwide to collect an allocation that is more than a state that take care of more than 5 million people.

How do you guys reason?

AmiableMosquito:
Well, if you look at it from this perspective, it makes sense. However, I do not think that is what this report was hoping to achieve.

It might not be primary but read the last paragraph again, that's where it was explicitly reflected


To solve Nigeria's problem through tax, the case should be tax the rich, save the poor not the other way round

AmiableMosquito:
The amount allocated to health and education was generated by who in the first place?

Thanks for pointing out where your grievance is coming from. Your inability to join your friends at FIRS.

Have you told your friends to their face that they are "privileged unskilled labourers" or are you just a hypocrite? Have a nice holiday!

Sir I have a better life than most people in FIRS and it's unwise of you to think that everyone fighting for a better Nigeria is as greedy as you are.
I have built my own business and I have employees. Some i have gotten from Nairaland so do you want me to exchange that for corruption.
Oga, if you study geography or history and you are working in FIRS does anyone need to tell you that you are an unskilled labourer.
The problem isn't with my friends it's with people like you and your evil government.

tctrills:

Sir I have a better life than most people in FIRS and it's unwise of you to think that everyone fighting for a better Nigeria is as greedy as you are.
I have built my own business and I have employees. Some i have gotten from Nairaland so do you want me to exchange that for corruption.
Oga, if you study geography or history and you are working in FIRS does anyone need to tell you that you are an unskilled labourer.
The problem isn't with my friends it's with people like you and your evil government.

What do FIRS need such money for? Do they carry out capital projects?

Imagine states that pay salary and carry out capital projects collecting less money?

Beautifulday:


What do FIRS need such money for? Do they carry out capital projects?

Imagine states that pay salary and carry out capital projects collecting less money?

Don't mind that boy

Boyooosa:


It might not be primary but read the last paragraph again, that's where it was explicitly reflected


To solve Nigeria's problem through tax, the case should be tax the rich, save the poor not the other way round

Thanks for the insight. Your last paragraph is very correct

tctrills:

Sir I have a better life than most people in FIRS and it's unwise of you to think that everyone fighting for a better Nigeria is as greedy as you are.
I have built my own business and I have employees. Some i have gotten from Nairaland so do you want me to exchange that for corruption.
Oga, if you study geography or history and you are working in FIRS does anyone need to tell you that you are an unskilled labourer.
The problem isn't with my friends it's with people like you and your evil government.

Everything you have said is off point, but it's your prerogative, so enjoy.
So everyone in FIRS has to study taxation, accounting or finance? oh goodness!
Ever had of OTJ training? One of the best Ministers of Trade and Investment we've had in Nigeria (Olusegun Aganga) has a background in Biological Science. Deal with that! Chai, ignorance is truly a disease. I couldn't just ignore this your post, I had to educate you a bit because of others, following and learning from our conversation.
E say na unskilled labourer. Do you even understand the meaning of the term you are using or you just stumbled on it recently?

Well, everyone is either a billionaire or employer of labour on Nairaland. I wish you all well. Keep employing. That's what we pray for

Bold of you to think I am a political jobber or sympathetic to any political party. But of course, anyone who is not against the elites are against you the poor people, abi?

Ogbeni, have a nice day. I'm tired of typing. It's not like you are even making any sense.

AmiableMosquito:
I love your submission albeit flawed.
The news article has achieved its aim of vilifying these RGAs. The reality however is that they keep only 4% of the total generated with exception of NCS that keeps 7% because of its staff strength. These percentages look huge (maybe they actually are) because what they generate is also huge and it's what the entire federation depends on.

Without these revenues, there will be no money to pay the DSS and Navy you mentioned. Go and read about NIPOST, NTA and few other revenue generating agencies that are doing very poorly in terms of revenue generation. Find out why they are almost comatose and then you will understand why it is important to allow these GOEs retain a small percentage of their revenue collection. The corruption you are shouting will be worse if you poorly remunerate these workers of the elite RGAs.

You sincerely expect FIRS staff and National Orientation Agency staff to be on the same salary structure? That's a joke!

I agree with some remuneration for welfare and running the agency but can you confidently say they are honest and judicious!

A cursory look at these agencies always see malfeasance, their directors steal on huge scale and takes a very long time to discover!

We still av to hold that 4% accountable if it's actually 4%! Try relate with their staff u will be shocked what their lunch cost . Personally I see it as wasteful economy. We cant be half rich and badly poor and at same time extremely rich in one country!

Macphenson:


Chaii Nairaland una no go kee person. I don hear another one today
OWO DA FORMATIONS.

I as I laughed out loud like I am high on Canadian laud.

My brotherrrr ... check am naa?

Yadid:
The only problem, I think, is their cost of collection rising to over 400 percent while gross revenue is just above 200 percent. That means they are spending more money than they are making. That is bad business. Dig into it now, and you will realise that corruption is at the very root of that anomaly.

it is 7% of revenue generated that is given to them to finance their operations. While the 93% goes to Federation account for your politicians to steal.
If these agencies are not well maintained I can't predict the woes that will befall Nigeria.
Do you realise the impact of smuggling in the country at all?
Do you know how much customs pay for maintenance for its effective performance?

Beautifulday:


Performance is not the issue and has never been but the corruption that will allow FIRS that is less than 100,000 employees nationwide to collect an allocation that is more than a state that take care of more than 5 million people.

How do you guys reason?

Then you must encourage your Governor leading 5 million people to put on his creative thinking cap to harness the potential of 5 million people by generating much more money that can cater for such number of people... I work in an organization of about 450 work force with monthly revenues more than most State, would you blame the Company for paying me far more than my contemporaries in the State or other organization with less turnover?..You want earn more? work it out alaye..It is stupidity for states to depend solely on Federal allocation.

Beautifulday:


What do FIRS need such money for? Do they carry out capital projects?

Imagine states that pay salary and carry out capital projects collecting less money?

And governors keep squandering the money yet you didn't talk

Boyooosa:


It might not be primary but read the last paragraph again, that's where it was explicitly reflected


To solve Nigeria's problem through tax, the case should be tax the rich, save the poor not the other way round

That's the system in place already....... everybody pays according to their capabilities

AmiableMosquito:

Everything you have said is off point, but it's your prerogative, so enjoy.
So everyone in FIRS has to study taxation, accounting or finance? oh goodness!
Ever had of OTJ training? One of the best Ministers of Trade and Investment we've had in Nigeria (Olusegun Aganga) has a background in Biological Science. Deal with that! Chai, ignorance is truly a disease. I couldn't just ignore this your post, I had to educate you a bit because of others, following and learning from our conversation.
E say na unskilled labourer. Do you even understand the meaning of the term you are using or you just stumbled on it recently?

Well, everyone is either a billionaire or employer of labour on Nairaland. I wish you all well. Keep employing. That's what we pray for

Bold of you to think I am a political jobber or sympathetic to any political party. But of course, anyone who is not against the elites are against you the poor people, abi?

Ogbeni, have a nice day. I'm tired of typing. It's not like you are even making any sense.

This is just nonsense.
Everyone in Nigeria has a job. You are clearly a political jobber and a very bad one at that. Have a nice day

Vulcan24:


I agree with some remuneration for welfare and running the agency but can you confidently say they are honest and judicious!

A cursory look at these agencies always see malfeasance, their directors steal on huge scale and takes a very long time to discover!

We still av to hold that 4% accountable if it's actually 4%! Try relate with their staff u will be shocked what their lunch cost . Personally I see it as wasteful economy. We cant be half rich and badly poor and at same time extremely rich in one country!

Now, you have introduced an entirely different issue which I agree with you on, to a very great extent.
There is a reason this maxim came into light..... "for whom much is given, much is also expected".
Corruption is endemic in all sectors in Nigeria, public and private alike. Perhaps, worse in public but not absent in private.
I used NIPOST as an example, have you visited the post offices nationwide and seen the level of dilapidation despite the billions generated by the service annually? The staff are poorly remunerated and they don't keep any percentage of their revenue, so any opportunity to steal from their revenue, they try to grab it with both hands. Because of this, their annual revenue has been on the decrease for consecutive years now.

I understand that there are corrupt elements in these elite RGAs and that can be tackled by proper auditing and political will of the government to block all leakages. However, will you rather prefer that government reduces their collection percentage which in turn affects their productivity and revenue drive? Everyone will suffer for it, I can assure you.

Whether in the poor and average MDAs or in the elite GOEs, there is corruption. What we should be focused on is how to stop or reduce corruption in public service generally not advocate for reduction of collection fees which is mandated by the law creating these GOEs.

Blessedarethepe:

And governors keep squandering the money yet you didn't talk

Toor.

yemex04:














Then you must encourage your Governor leading 5 million people to put on his creative thinking cap to harness the potential of 5 million people by generating much more money that can cater for such number of people... I work in an organization of about 450 work force with monthly revenues more than most State, would you blame the Company for paying me far more than my contemporaries in the State or other organization with less turnover?..You want earn more? work it out alaye..It is stupidity for states to depend solely on Federal allocation.

May your wisdom continue to increase. If any of these GOEs fail to meet up with their revenue targets, even their parents who are pensioners will suffer for it. Let them keep thinking through their armpits.

AmiableMosquito:
Now, you have introduced an entirely different issue which I agree with you on, to a very great extent.
There is a reason this maxim came into light..... "for whom much is given, much is also expected".
Corruption is endemic in all sectors in Nigeria, public and private alike. Perhaps, worse in public but not absent in private.
I used NIPOST as an example, have you visited the post offices nationwide and seen the level of dilapidation despite the billions generated by the service annually? The staff are poorly remunerated and they don't keep any percentage of their revenue, so any opportunity to steal from their revenue, they try to grab it with both hands. Because of this, their annual revenue has been on the decrease for consecutive years now.

I understand that there are corrupt elements in these elite RGAs and that can be tackled by proper auditing and political will of the government to block all leakages. However, will you rather prefer that government reduces their collection percentage which in turn affects their productivity and revenue drive? Everyone will suffer for it, I can assure you.

Whether in the poor and average MDAs or in the elite GOEs, there is corruption. What we should be focused on is how to stop or reduce corruption in public service generally not advocate for reduction of collection fees which is mandated by the law creating these GOEs.

I don't mind them keeping a % or quoting virements, they deserve it! My cardinal point is they act like the alpha and omega of their revenue and always insincere probably the reason AGORA is torchlight them

I always visit nipost and their only office in good shape is the one at vi nipost at ologun agbaje!

I believe they should share and be honest on what they made and what they keep! But it's the opposite so someone should either expose or speak up ! The money is from Nigeria for Nigerians not theirs

Blessedarethepe:
it is 7% of revenue generated that is given to them to finance their operations. While the 93% goes to Federation account for your politicians to steal.
If these agencies are not well maintained I can't predict the woes that will befall Nigeria.
Do you realise the impact of smuggling in the country at all?
Do you know how much customs pay for maintenance for its effective performance?

I understand your point, and I am well aware of the percentage of money they take as running cost. However, the percentage increase of their collection cost is rising faster than the percentage increase of their gross revenue. Let us not pretend as if we don't know what happens in most government agencies in this country.

Blessedarethepe:

And governors keep squandering the money yet you didn't talk

Squander which money? If Governors are squandering the small allocation they are getting after paying salary, doing projects, etc.

What is FIRS doing with such money that is bigger that state allocation? The word to describe what they are doing with our money hasn't been invented.

yemex04:


Then you must encourage your Governor leading 5 million people to put on his creative thinking cap to harness the potential of 5 million people by generating much more money that can cater for such number of people... I work in an organization of about 450 work force with monthly revenues more than most State, would you blame the Company for paying me far more than my contemporaries in the State or other organization with less turnover?..You want earn more? work it out alaye..It is stupidity for states to depend solely on Federal allocation.

There are many private organizations that has annual budget bigger than most countries. Have you seen annual budget of Microsoft or Facebook?

FIRS is not a private company. They have no right under no law to have more allocation than any state in Nigeria even if the state is generating zero capital. Every agency should advocate for more allocation that is bigger than states because they have been giving authority to collect tax or revenue?

Is tax or revenue collection fund generation. Tax not channelled back into the economy is destroying the economy.