wumiwumi100:

Jesus was bold and courageous, unlike Jackson, whose fear of men prevents him from speaking the truth.

By the time Jesus was asked that question was his disciples organized as a separate group in the Jewish community?

Of course not!
Jesus was talking about himself alone not in connection with his disciples who must remain teaching anyone who cares what he taught them. So each disciple must speak with wisdom not condemning others directly by saying before a court where people from different religious backgrounds are in attendance that his religion is the only channel that God is using. Proverbs 22:3
It's each individual that will judge after listening to what the one and only true religion is saying and doing throughout the world.
Is that not why you can't find another religion to replace God's organization?

Jackson refuses to concede.

Jackson: I thought I made it quite clear that I don’t agree with that supposition(...)

Stewart: Mr. Jackson, the reality of the situation is that a person who has been baptized a Jehovah’s Witness is thereafter either in the organization or out of it; is that not right?

Jackson: I think perhaps you have got your facts a little wrong there.

Stewart: I don’t think that’s correct, because you have accepted already, Mr. Jackson, that a person in the situation you have postulated of merely becoming inactive is still subject to the rules of the organization.

Jackson deflects. His tenacious refusal to admit (or perhaps even to comprehend) the implications of the organization’s coercive policy is confounding. Finally, the governing body member unequivocally presents his stance on the point of contention.

Jackson: I don’t agree with the sweeping statement that they only have the two choices.

Stewart: Well, it’s right then, isn’t it, because if they don’t want to be subject to the discipline and rules of the organization, then they have to leave by actively dissociating; isn’t that the truth?

Jackson: That’s if they definitely don’t want to be, yes.





What an exchange of words and interesting conversation in court

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!
They are the ones Jesus sent us to fish out in the world {Matthew 10:6} not those who are indifferent towards spirituality!

MaxInDHouse:

By the time Jesus was asked that question was his disciples organized as a separate group in the Jewish community?

Of course not!
Jesus was talking about himself alone not in connection with his disciples who must remain teaching anyone who cares what he taught them. So each disciple must speak with wisdom not condemning others directly by saying before a court where people from different religious backgrounds are in attendance that his religion is the only channel that God is using. Proverbs 22:3
It's each individual that will judge after listening to what the one and only true religion is saying and doing throughout the world.
Is that not why you can't find another religion to replace God's organization?

You cannot stop responding to him abi? I know you are not responding to his messages or instructions

MaxInDHouse:
If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!
They are the ones Jesus sent us to fish out in the world {Matthew 10:6} not those who are indifferent towards spirituality!

Na legalisms you sabi not spirituality


The letter kills the spirit gives life. Anyone that don't follow the letter of your GOVERNING BODY aka Jehovah's organization are killed instantly. Like you are already stoning wumiwumi100 while still inside before he eventually leaves

achorladey:
Stewart goes on to present a hypothetical in which a JW who chooses not to formally disassociate and face shunning from his friends and family is caught by congregation elders celebrating Christmas or a birthday (customs considered by JWs to be part of false religion and detestable to God).

Stewart: They would be found to be in transgression of the rules, would they not?

Jackson: That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those types of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

Stewart (indignantly): Mr. Jackson, you say it’s not your field, but you are a member of the Governing Body which is responsible, as you have said, for the whole field, and you have been a member for 10 years, and all the committees are responsible to and accountable to the Governing Body.

Jackson: That is correct.




You see how a governing body member can lie under oath

To be continued........

Can you imagine these outright shameless LIES from a Governing Body member?

He LIED under oath!

No wonder MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Aemmyjah are such profound LIARS.

They are following the strict example of their Governing Body.

What a show of shame!

Stewart is dogged; he won’t let the point go. Quite rightly. In the context of child sexual abuse, the fact that a JW cannot choose to stop attending congregation meetings without sacrificing their closest family and friends presents an unbearable burden to victims of sexual assault at the hands of fellow congregation members. They, in effect, must either continue attending congregation meetings (sitting in the same room with their abusers who have been deemed repentant by congregation elders) or formally disassociate and face excommunication and shunning.

The situation surrounding child sexual abuse in the JW community is grave indeed and worthy of a separate volume completely. Respectfully, I do not discuss this topic at length in The Life of PIMO. But as Stewart proceeds with his examination, he touches on a sociological reality that sets the stage for my book. He continues:

Stewart: Do you accept that putting people to that choice makes your organization in many respects a captive organization?

Jackson: I do not accept that at all.

Stewart: Well, there’s no middle road, is there? I mean, you are either a member and subject to the organization or are not – isn’t it the case?

Jackson: Yes...

Stewart and Jackson finally agree on one thing: There is no middle road.


That's it. There is no middle road yet he was lying and contradicting their very own doctrines just to accept the fact that their religious organization is a CAPTIVE ORGANIZATION that hates REJECTION

oteneaaron:


Can you imagine these outright shameless LIES from a Governing Body member?

He LIED under oath!

No wonder MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Aemmyjah are such profound LIARS.

They are following the strict example of their Governing Body.

What a show of shame!

That Australia Royal commission na eye opener in this religious organization. Anyone that wants his ears full should just go for the video during Jackson session, those two branch committee members then one elder and finally the Catholic woman brought in to defend them


You can imagine a governing body member that just didn't jump into becoming a member of the Governing Body lying that........

That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those types of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

MaxInDHouse:

By the time Jesus was asked that question was his disciples organized as a separate group in the Jewish community?

Of course not!
Jesus was talking about himself alone not in connection with his disciples who must remain teaching anyone who cares what he taught them. So each disciple must speak with wisdom not condemning others directly by saying before a court where people from different religious backgrounds are in attendance that his religion is the only channel that God is using. Proverbs 22:3
It's each individual that will judge after listening to what the one and only true religion is saying and doing throughout the world.
Is that not why you can't find another religion to replace God's organization?

You are not making sense. You are just spewing gibberish.

wumiwumi100:



You are not making sense. You are just spewing gibberish.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

😂😂

achorladey:



That Australia Royal commission na eye opener in this religious organization. Anyone that wants his ears full should just go for the video during Jackson session, those two branch committee members then one elder and finally the Catholic woman brought in to defend them


You can imagine a governing body member that just didn't jump into becoming a member of the Governing Body lying that........

It is quite shocking.

They even brought a member of Babylon the Great to defend them in court!!

😂😂😂

What an absolute joke of a religion.

MaxInDHouse:

What is the name of your church?

What has my church name got to do with truth.

The coming of Jesus back to earth to establish his millennium reign will be a visible one.

First Evidence
Matthew 24:27-28.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Second Evidence

Acts 1:9-11
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven

oteneaaron:


It is quite shocking.

They even brought a member of Babylon the Great to defend them in court!!

😂😂😂

What an absolute joke of a religion.

A woman who had access to the elders manual that the wives of elders or any other person in the congregation can't peer into

wumiwumi100:

You are not making sense. You are just spewing gibberish.

It will surely make sense only to a lost sheep of the house of Israel so don't bother! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Ken4Christ:

What has my church name got to do with truth.

Everything!

MaxInDHouse:

Everything!

Loool!

MaxInDHouse:


It will surely make sense only to a lost sheep of the house of Israel so don't bother! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Just like redefining words thousands of times to suit your lies and manipulations

From the year 1914 till today Jesus has been gathering obedient people throughout the earth and his disciples are working round the clock with him! Matthew 28:18-20

They have gone round the world and people from different geographical locations in their millions have joined them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There are remnants of 144,000 spiritual Jews on this planet today so sincere and honest hearted people from different geographical locations are saying with their actions:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

From the year 1931 the true God began calling His worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Note what God promised to do to Satan's agents among humans who have defamed the last group name God's people bore since the first century until the twentieth century "CHRISTIANS" well God said He will destroy them all for making innocent people to hate the Bible as most people now prefer to be Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists even Traditionalists due to all the atrocities Satan's agents have committed in the name of CHRISTIANITY!

oteneaaron:

You took the words right out of my mouth.
😂😂

Your friend has been silenced! Isaiah 54:17

Knowing many like him who aren't with God's organization with all their hearts {Mark 12:29-30} in the family he thought he has seen it all.

Now he's secretly learning some things he never heard among God's people because he was only growing physically but spiritually he is a dwarf who remains the same way he is just counting years among God's people.

Let him respond to the truth and prove that it's all about attending meetings that makes people part of JEHOVAH'S sheep.

Jesus sent his disciples to go in search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} and how do we recognize this ones?

They may be found among hooligans, violent people, alcoholics, witches, wizards, prostitutes, armed robbers, fraudsters, hired killers and ritualists.

YES they can be found anywhere but what is the message that strikes them in their hearts?

GOD'S ORGANIZATION!

Once they discover that God is real through the activities of His imperfect worshipers such ones begin to feel sober for all their past deeds and once they learn that God knows they did all those things due to frustration and He is willing to accept them they will become the meekest ever to OBEY God's representatives.

So when you look at their outward appearance they're useless to God but Jehovah reads hearts He knows they will serve as precious gems in His organization.

That's the undeniable proof of Jehovah's sheep.

But as many as those born and raised in God's organization who doesn't feel the emptiness that there's no other place to go if they should leave God's organization {John 6:68-69} of course such ones are useless to our God! Hebrews 10:38

MaxInDHouse:


Your friend has been silenced! Isaiah 54:17

How did you silence him?

You have started boasting again.

An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.

Do you think everyone eats and sleeps on Nairaland like you do?

Knowing many like him who aren't with God's organization with all their hearts {Mark 12:29-30} in the family he thought he has seen it all.

Now he's secretly learning some things he never heard among God's people because he was only growing physically but spiritually he is a dwarf who remains the same way he is just counting years among God's people.

So if he is only a "dwarf spiritually", how on earth did he become an Elder?

I thought the holy spirit selects people to become Elders - do you know more than the "holy spirit"?

Or are you trying to say that the "holy spirit" made a mistake?

Let him respond to the truth and prove that it's all about attending meetings that makes people part of JEHOVAH'S sheep.

He never made any comment like this.

Stop making up things in your head.

Jesus sent his disciples to go in search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} and how do we recognize this ones?

They may be found among hooligans, violent people, alcoholics, witches, wizards, prostitutes, armed robbers, fraudsters, hired killers and ritualists.

YES they can be found anywhere but what is the message that strikes them in their hearts?

GOD'S ORGANIZATION!

I wonder why you only quoted Mathew 10:6.

Why didn't you quote verse 8 that said: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." - is your religious organization doing any of this today?

But I digress.

To clarify for the public, when Max says "God's Organization" he is actually speaking about the Man-made Business Cooperation called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

"God's Organization" = Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Now can you show me the specific verse in the bible where Jesus asked his disciples to search for people to join an "organization" aka Watchtower?

Once they discover that God is real through the activities of His imperfect worshipers such ones begin to feel sober for all their past deeds and once they learn that God knows they did all those things due to frustration and He is willing to accept them they will become the meekest ever to OBEY God's representatives.

Where did God ask you to OBEY human representatives?

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men."

Psalm 146:3 - "Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save"

Should we OBEY God?

OR

Should we OBEY the Governing Body of the Watchtower Organization who cannot save?

So when you look at their outward appearance they're useless to God but Jehovah reads hearts He knows they will serve as precious gems in His organization.

So if God read hearts, who are you call wumiwumi100 a "spiritual dwarf"?

Are you God who can read hearts?

But as many as those born and raised in God's organization who doesn't feel the emptiness that there's no other place to go if they should leave God's organization {John 6:68-69} of course such ones are useless to our God! Hebrews 10:38

John 6:68-69 - Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

Are you now saying that the Watchtower Organization is equal to Jesus Christ?

The words of Peter in the verse above were crystal clear - he was not speaking about an "organization" aka Watchtower.

oteneaaron:


How did you silence him?

You have started boasting again.

An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.

Do you think everyone eats and sleeps on Nairaland like you do?



So if he is only a "dwarf spiritually", how on earth did he become an Elder?

I thought the holy spirit selects people to become Elders - do you know more than the "holy spirit"?

Or are you trying to say that the "holy spirit" made a mistake?



He never made any comment like this.

Stop making up things in your head.



I wonder why you only quoted Mathew 10:6.

Why didn't you quote verse 8 that said: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." - is your religious organization doing any of this today?

But I digress.

To clarify for the public, when Max says "God's Organization" he is actually speaking about the Man-made Business Cooperation called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

"God's Organization" = Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Now can you show me the specific verse in the bible where Jesus asked his disciples to search for people to join an "organization" aka Watchtower?



Where did God ask you to OBEY human representatives?

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men."

Psalm 146:3 - "Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save"

Should we OBEY God?

OR

Should we OBEY the Governing Body of the Watchtower Organization who cannot save?



So if God read hearts, who are you call wumiwumi100 a "spiritual dwarf"?

Are you God who can read hearts?



John 6:68-69 - Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

Are you now saying that the Watchtower Organization is equal to Jesus Christ?

The words of Peter in the verse above were crystal clear - he was not speaking about an "organization" aka Watchtower.

Questions upon Questions upon Questions just because you're bitter shey?

Pẹ̀lẹ́ i'm waiting for your friend to come and respond after all he jumped in to engage me but crawled back into his shell!

oteneaaron:


How did you silence him?

You have started boasting again.

An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.

Do you think everyone eats and sleeps on Nairaland like you do?



So if he is only a "dwarf spiritually", how on earth did he become an Elder?

I thought the holy spirit selects people to become Elders - do you know more than the "holy spirit"?

Or are you trying to say that the "holy spirit" made a mistake?



He never made any comment like this.

Stop making up things in your head.



I wonder why you only quoted Mathew 10:6.

Why didn't you quote verse 8 that said: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." - is your religious organization doing any of this today?

But I digress.

To clarify for the public, when Max says "God's Organization" he is actually speaking about the Man-made Business Cooperation called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

"God's Organization" = Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Now can you show me the specific verse in the bible where Jesus asked his disciples to search for people to join an "organization" aka Watchtower?



Where did God ask you to OBEY human representatives?

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men."

Psalm 146:3 - "Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save"

Should we OBEY God?

OR

Should we OBEY the Governing Body of the Watchtower Organization who cannot save?



So if God read hearts, who are you call wumiwumi100 a "spiritual dwarf"?

Are you God who can read hearts?



John 6:68-69 - Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

Are you now saying that the Watchtower Organization is equal to Jesus Christ?

The words of Peter in the verse above were crystal clear - he was not speaking about an "organization" aka Watchtower.

Who needs to go to a place

But as many as those born and raised in God's organization who doesn't feel the emptiness that there's no other place to go if they should leave God's organization {John 6:68-69} of course such ones are useless to our God! Hebrews 10:38

His lies and manipulations filled brains change WHOM to WHERE since that is the lies and manipulations packed into his brains. Who needs where when he reads in his own Bible that

In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him


He can see in his own Bible where the Father and son will come to him.

MaxInDHouse:


Questions upon Questions upon Questions just because you're bitter shey?

Pẹ̀lẹ́ i'm waiting for your friend to come and respond after all he jumped in to engage me but crawled back into his shell!

Out of the abundance of your heart you peddle your bitterness. You know this thread just exposed more lies and manipulations of your religious organization and you can't contest the fact that indeed your religious organization are lying and manipulating your brains

Pẹ̀lẹ́ i'm waiting for your friend to come and respond after all he jumped in to engage me but crawled back into his shell!

Your lying and manipulating brains already called him apostate, atheist, churchgoer and we know your are not expected to deal with those you call apostates but because your face was bartered by the exposure wumiwumi100 gave to the lies and manipulations of the title of your thread you are seriously looking for means to keep tarnishing his image to save your head and face

MaxInDHouse:
From the year 1914 till today Jesus has been gathering obedient people throughout the earth and his disciples are working round the clock with him! Matthew 28:18-20

They have gone round the world and people from different geographical locations in their millions have joined them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There are remnants of 144,000 spiritual Jews on this planet today so sincere and honest hearted people from different geographical locations are saying with their actions:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

From the year 1931 the true God began calling His worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Note what God promised to do to Satan's agents among humans who have defamed the last group name God's people bore since the first century until the twentieth century "CHRISTIANS" well God said He will destroy them all for making innocent people to hate the Bible as most people now prefer to be Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists even Traditionalists due to all the atrocities Satan's agents have committed in the name of CHRISTIANITY!

Lies from the start....

From the year 1914 till today Jesus has been gathering obedient people throughout the earth and his disciples are working round the clock with him

Jesus has been gathering his disciples before 1914 not from the year 1914.

lost false jw mad max has started this thread to show that Jesus began ruling in 1914,
16 pages so far and he still hasn't done so.

so called Jehovah's witnesses have previously said:

The Last Days began 1799 (The Harp of God, 1928 ed., p. 235–36, 239).

Jesus started being present with His people in 1874, and He started ruling in heaven in 1878 (ibid., p. 236, 239–40).

The times of the Gentiles would end in 1914, resulting in the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all earthly governments, the heavenly and earthly resurrections, and paradise on earth (Watchtower, July 15, 1894, p. 226).



and God's word tells us that no man knows the day or the hour when Christ Jesus will return
but false jw's know, just like they know that Jesus is a deceiver, and just like they know that
Jehovah doesn't know everything, and just as they know that Jehovah isn't Almighty

as far as Jesus second coming goes, there is no two second comings where His 1st second coming is invisibly and
where His 2nd second coming and all eyes see him, that's just some more of false jw's never ending confused false teachings

achorladey:




Loool!

a church name is everything all he has is made up gibberish

MaxInDHouse:


Your friend has been silenced! Isaiah 54:17

Knowing many like him who aren't with God's organization with all their hearts {Mark 12:29-30} in the family he thought he has seen it all.

Now he's secretly learning some things he never heard among God's people because he was only growing physically but spiritually he is a dwarf who remains the same way he is just counting years among God's people.

Let him respond to the truth and prove that it's all about attending meetings that makes people part of JEHOVAH'S sheep.

Jesus sent his disciples to go in search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} and how do we recognize this ones?

They may be found among hooligans, violent people, alcoholics, witches, wizards, prostitutes, armed robbers, fraudsters, hired killers and ritualists.

YES they can be found anywhere but what is the message that strikes them in their hearts?

GOD'S ORGANIZATION!

Once they discover that God is real through the activities of His imperfect worshipers such ones begin to feel sober for all their past deeds and once they learn that God knows they did all those things due to frustration and He is willing to accept them they will become the meekest ever to OBEY God's representatives.

So when you look at their outward appearance they're useless to God but Jehovah reads hearts He knows they will serve as precious gems in His organization.

That's the undeniable proof of Jehovah's sheep.

But as many as those born and raised in God's organization who doesn't feel the emptiness that there's no other place to go if they should leave God's organization {John 6:68-69} of course such ones are useless to our God! Hebrews 10:38

Nothing you have said answers the questions or addresses the issues raised here. You are only diverting from the truth and bringing up things that do not prove Jesus began ruling in 1914. So don't expect me to continue replying and wasting my time, because you lack critical thinking. Understand this: no one can silence me, including the Governing Body you worship.

achorladey:



Out of the abundance of your heart you peddle your bitterness. You know this thread just exposed more lies and manipulations of your religious organization and you can't contest the fact that indeed your religious organization are lying and manipulating your brains




Your lying and manipulating brains already called him apostate, atheist, churchgoer and we know your are not expected to deal with those you call apostates but because your face was bartered by the exposure wumiwumi100 gave to the lies and manipulations of the title of your thread you are seriously looking for means to keep tarnishing his image to save your head and face

The guy is too mumu, He just dey argue without addressing any point we have raised.

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max has started this thread to show that Jesus began ruling in 1914,
16 pages so far and he still hasn't done so.

so called Jehovah's witnesses have previously said:

The Last Days began 1799 (The Harp of God, 1928 ed., p. 235–36, 239).

Jesus started being present with His people in 1874, and He started ruling in heaven in 1878 (ibid., p. 236, 239–40).

The times of the Gentiles would end in 1914, resulting in the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all earthly governments, the heavenly and earthly resurrections, and paradise on earth (Watchtower, July 15, 1894, p. 226).



and God's word tells us that no man knows the day or the hour when Christ Jesus will return
but false jw's know, just like they know that Jesus is a deceiver, and just like they know that
Jehovah doesn't know everything, and just as they know that Jehovah isn't Almighty

as far as Jesus second coming goes, there is no two second comings where His first second coming is invisibly and
another second second coming where all eyes see him, that's just some more of false jw's never ending confused false teachings

He will never respond to any of the points you raised. Instead, he will just spew gibberish that won't address the facts you provided.

MaxInDHouse:
From the year 1931 the true God began calling His worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

lost false jw mad max

no God hasn't been calling you people Jehovah's witnesses,
you people have been calling yourselves Jehovah's witnesses

you false jw's cannot stop lying, even against God:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

wumiwumi100:


He will never respond to any of the points you raised. Instead, he will just spew gibberish that won't address the facts you provided.

yes we know, but it's good just showing them to be frauds

wumiwumi100:

GOVERNING BODY: WORSHIP.

This is why most of you FAILED WOEFULLY!
In the scriptures there we find guidelines on the events that will take place during the last days so just like the Beroeans {Act 17:11} any intelligent person won't follow imperfect humans as if they are GOD rather you should have followed them in view of what the scriptures say they're to do, in that sense you won't see them as GOD and later start complaining about what the scriptures never said about them when they didn't do what you expected. Paul said we should imitate their faith as we see how their conduct turns out not viewing them as your GOD! Hebrews 13:7
So it's you people's fault and not anybody's for following imperfect humans gullibly as if they are GOD!

wumiwumi100:

The guy is too mumu, He just dey argue without addressing any point we have raised.

There is no point arguing over what you have misconstrued!
When John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth began preaching in the first century asserting that the last days started back then most Jews including John the baptist and Jesus' disciples misconstrued the whole thing thinking that God's kingdom will begin ruling right away {Act 1:6} that's why John the baptist expected Jesus to come and rescue him in prison after all Jesus is the Christ and he has been baptized and has been anointed with God's holy spirit so what's next if not for him to begin ruling and restoring sanity and righteousness?
So you people are raising issues based on your misconception and not scripturally based facts that faithful people should consider thoughtfully! Philippians 4:8

wumiwumi100:

He will never respond to any of the points you raised. Instead, he will just spew gibberish that won't address the facts you provided.

Unnecessary arguments is what God's word told us to avoid {Philippians 2:14; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} if you're intelligent whether you agree that 1914 is the year Jesus began ruling in heaven or not should be kept in a cooler separately then start meditating on the events God's word foretold, that's exactly what Jesus apostles did in the first century.
Whatever calculation anyone could bring should be treated as minor rather what matters most is how events were unfolding scripturally.
All Jewish Rabbis agreed that the first century is the time Messiah should appear {Matthew 2:3-5} prior to that time two Jews have gathered followers claiming they are the Messiah but both of them perished and all their followers were dismissed {Act 5:36-37} so all the Jews back then believe that the first century is the period the Messiah should appear. Despite Jesus' credentials and miracles his own disciples were still skeptical about him being the Christ.
WHY?
Because the scriptures said Elijah must come before the Christ so if Jesus is the Christ what about Elijah? Matthew 17:10

So if all the churches of Christendom including Islam agreed that we are living in the last days then which group should we follow to doing God's will at this point in time?

That's the point you should raise not whether 1914 is accurate or not because all your arguments will make no practical sense to any faithful individual in the absence of the group doing God's will in the last days and that's what i keep asking anyone who speaks against the GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Thanks for your time!