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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 6:29am On Jun 30 |
Ibime: https://www.nadiasinitiative.org/the-genocide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Pn14Q1CCI Not much difference when the orphans and slaves are the same thing Just as Muslim men have the right to marry 4 wives, they have rights over slaves. that is what that verse is about. if you want to be starkly honest Islam promises MEN sexual freedom while going on about if you can guarantee the sanctity of what is between your legs you are guaranteed paradise as a man i am promised 70 houris each in al jannah. Basically I am promised 70 mindless sex dolls. Believing women do not get their own 70 magic mike, possibly because "Men were created weak" [another phrase littered across the hadith] as a man i have the RIGHT to have 4 wives - but nothing for unequal women as a man i have the right to fk a slave or [an orphan according to oasis - which is at odds with the grave sin of stealing from orphans] but women do not have the right to fk their own slaves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Murad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Girl_(memoir) |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 6:41am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1393/all-the-followers-of-the-various-sects-of-the-this-ummah-will-be-in-hell-apart-from-one
the question would now be - who are the TRUE/REAL Muslims? 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by islamics(m): 6:48am On Jun 30 |
OasisX:Greetings Sheikh, I get reservation about the bolded for now even though na learn I dey learn. Alhamdulillah, you mentioned Tafseer in one of your comments. An-Nisa - Verse 59 O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution. How does the Tafseer you have read balance the above ayah with regards to Hadith talk? The way we do our ablution today was Hadith. Suratul Maidah mentioned ablution but how it described it, is not how we do it today except maybe I don't know. The verse didn't mention inhaling and exhaling of water but we do that and some other ones too. Iamdamilola did ask you question. I was also interested in the answer. You gave your answer, which was okay. But the thing I tell people is this; all of us go everly claim Muslim but our aqeedah (belief) and action na him go define us not we saying I am Muslim. P.S: you are very good with putting up evidence, keep it up, I wish I can do that. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 6:54am On Jun 30 |
GloriousGbola: That actually buttresses Oasis point. Most Islamic scholars will give a "biased" opinion on something depending on their sect or even school of jurisprudence. A scholar quoting from a Hadith means he believes in that particular one. Another scholar can quote from a different Hadith that aligns more with his own position. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A40(m): 6:56am On Jun 30 |
How tf did Adesanya beat this beast? Jesus I just witnessed an execution on live TV. Hope Prochazka does not suffer permanent CTE 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 7:04am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: Islam became divided even more quickly than Christianity, probably because temporal power was involved very early with them, unlike early Christians who had no power or riches to squabble over. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:22am On Jun 30 |
GloriousGbola: Goood question ; Who are the real/true Muslims? It’s just the same way a deeper life member believes what a Christ embassy member is practicing is not Christianity . The same way a mountain of fire member thinks a Roman Catholic is worshipping Mary instead of Jesus . Just the same way a winners chapel person thinks celestial and cherubim & seraphim member is not a true Christian . All religions have almost the same problem . |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:30am On Jun 30 |
afrodoc2: I think one thing I noticed about Islam is that the Arabs tried as much as they could to infuse their culture into the religion. They were successful to an extent that they passed some of the norms in their own traditional way to the religion such that u as a non Arab adopting the religion has to accept some of their traditional way of life that were alien to u prior to adopting the religion. Christianity didn’t have that much grip ; that’s why u see churches like African Church where known Oluwo’s ( traditional cultists ) have seat in the church .While there are traditionalists in Islam too, they are not too open about theirs . |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 7:36am On Jun 30 |
islamics:So you are saying billions of people will stand in a straight line and start giving account of their wealth and how much money they spent on this or that before entering into a makeshift paradise with mansions and toilet made of gold. Does religion not sound silly to you? |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 7:45am On Jun 30 |
I stand with MURIC The king should produce the letter ASAP.
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 7:50am On Jun 30 |
A40:Killed him twice in one night. Looks like Jiri lost years off his life when he got up. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 7:50am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: Yes. I think a major reason is because quite early into its existence Islam had political power and therefore when it expanded it was only natural for Arab culture to be exported as a by-product of the spread of Islam. The Christians on the other hand were on the receiving end of persecution for a few centuries before they got any real power, so by that time they had already added elements of Western culture into their way of life. One obvious example IMO is monogamy. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 7:54am On Jun 30 |
It should be illegal using heavyweight power at the middleweight. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by islamics(m): 7:54am On Jun 30 |
Bombblacks: E go pass billions of pple sef since it should include everybody from time of creation. I didn't say it would be a straight line kinda thing. Everyone would be given his/her book containing everything. So, everyone goes thru his/her own. So, definitely some book would contain more than others. On the silliness part, , for every creed, there are stuff seen as silly but we just have to recognize the difference of view and respect it. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 8:05am On Jun 30 |
islamics:So the paradise also has printing press, book factory and library. So how about babies and young children (1 to 7) , will they also give account from their books or those ones go directly to paradise. In the paradise will family members stay together in one mansion or each person has different mansion? Sorry for the questions but am just curious. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by islamics(m): 8:05am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: While this might look so from the outside, Islam actually abolishes some of the culture which the Arabs had. Some prominent ones include burying their female child alive, not eating wife food during her menstruation, entering house from the back and so on. There is Islam and there is culture, where there is conflict between the two, Islam supercede but where there is no conflict, they can coexist. For instance, in our Nigeria settings, the groom give the bride family some items during marriage, items like oil, salt,yam etc. This is not required islamically but Muslim do that as it doesn't conflict with the Islamic requirements of bride price. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:07am On Jun 30 |
afrodoc2: And the ummah are unable to understand that times have changed and Islam does not have that political power any more. So they insist on importing and imposing their culture when they emigrate and pissing off their hosts. 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:11am On Jun 30 |
islamics: ....I may sound like a Qur'aniyoon but I am not, and once again I consider myself a Muslim without affliation to any Sect. There weren't sects when Holy Prophet [SAW] was alive, its when he died that it began to form and spread. For instance after the demise of Holy Prophet [SAW], some Sahabas supported Sayidina Ali [ra] as rightful Khalifa while some prefered Sayidina Abubakar [ra] - this is where the problem started. Mu‘awiyah reign compounded the whole issue. I don't wanna go deep into the story, cos I believe you have read a lot too and I don't wanna confused nominal muslims as Sayidina Ali reportedly said; "Speak to people only according to their level of knowledge. Would you like for Allah and His Messenger to be denied?” [Sahih Bukhari 127]. Moreso, check my last post yesterday, I did mention we have two categories of Hadiths, Sound [Sahih] and Weak [Da'if]. I am not against all Hadiths. For instance Hadith Qudsi [sacred hadith], I believe it 100%. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 8:26am On Jun 30 |
GloriousGbola: That is actually a good point. Political authority and religious authority have been intertwined right from the start. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:26am On Jun 30 |
islamics: ......aptly put. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 8:30am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: I dont think this is true in every context except for Catholic and the rest of the protestants. Most Christian's believe in Jesus, the son of God. I think what most churches disagree on is on doctrine. Some churches held on to the doctrine of the old testament without considering the new testament while some hold on to the new testament discarding the old testament. Apostle Paul in his letters to the Thessalonians in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says we should prove all things and hold on to that which is good. Basically Paul was saying because your pastor says it doesn't mean it is right until you yourself confirm that it is right. Christianity is meant to be a personal journey between you and your God and not about doctrine. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:34am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick:The major thing is understanding (agboye esin) If you tell me the prophet said this and you back it with only hadith I won't take you serious because there was Qur'an before hadith I stayed in MSSN lodge in school these guys drag the shit out of me I am a lefty they always complain about me using left to eat mind you I only do that when I use spoon Funny enough there's one of them who's a lefty too, the first thing I ask him if there was spoon during the prophet era And the certificate you earned in school he used his left hand to gather it to be able to feed himself and family He's indirectly eating with his left 😂 Them no green my matter and I no allow them rest too I am sure if this was the north they will deal with me severely |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:41am On Jun 30 |
larride: Where do u think doctrines come from ? Is it not the same holy book ? It’s just a case of a sent choosing what to hold dear and what not to . Celestials and C & S chose to hold dear Old Testament practices of Making sacrifices , atoning for sins etc ; but other modern day Christian’s see them as being occultic . They decide to adopt the practice of Jesus not judging anybody (Like Jesus didn’t judge the the adulterous woman ) , but other Christian’s see them as condoning adultery/polygamy . If u notice most oloshos ans Yahoo boys are comfortable going to Cele because they don’t judge them there . They don’t preach against them . I know there are some Islamic sects who don’t take monetary donations at burials and naming ceremonies while others do with reckless abandon . Methinks while Christians chose to call it doctrinal differences , Muslims on the other hand just say it’s because of different hadiths they hold dear in each sects. But in the end Christians are as divided as the Muslims . 3 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:48am On Jun 30 |
iamoyindamola: My dad was a Muslim ; someone like u who challenged some of these things that some sects tried to make the norm. Growing up I watched him disputing some of the things some Islamic clerics said on TV. He believed they were interpreting some of those things to suit their own bias . It’s not just in Islam , it is same in Christianity .Some pastors harp so much on ur appearance , not wearing trousers as female , not styling ur hair as a male , etc ; while others don’t . Each sect will find a scriptural passage that backs his beliefs. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:53am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: This here. Whatever you are looking for you will find. Sometimes Christians are called people of the book, other times they are snakes who want to mislead you from the right path During the crusades I came not to bring peace but a sword was a rallying cry. Today someone will say it was a 'spiritual' sword. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A40(m): 8:59am On Jun 30 |
Bombblacks:I was scared for Jiri. He's a tough S.O.B but his defense is atrocious. Almost like he blocks kicks and punches with his head. He takes far too many hits no matter the opponent. He better drop this Samurai shtick and learn fundamental striking defense to avoid further CTE. Or maybe it's too late sef |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 9:01am On Jun 30 |
GloriousGbola: ....Oasis didn't say fvck but marry bro. Don't commit fornication on my name o. LOL! Qur'an 4:25: And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allāh is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation [i.e., mahr] according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears affliction [i.e., sin], but to be patient is better for you. And Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 9:04am On Jun 30 |
BlueRayDick: Christianity is based on Jesus not on the bible. The bible is the combination of account of word of God revealed to his disciples, letters written by the apostles of christ and the first 5 books of the new testament were eye witness account of Jesus by his disciples, that's why they contain direct quote from Jesus. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. Not the bible. Any doctrine that doesn't have Jesus as its cornerstone isn't christianity. There's a reason why the bible say judgement will start from the house of God. Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7: 21 - 23 clearly - "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then will I tell them plainly, I never knew you, depart from me, you evildoers. The above is direct quote from Jesus. Christian's means Christ-Like, basically those that reflect the way Jesus lived his life on earth. Anyone who calls himself Christian who then go to a church that discards the teaching of Jesus is deceiving he/herself Please which Adulterous woman did Jesus judge? 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 9:10am On Jun 30 |
OasisX: I raise you surah 23 verses 5-7 when i was younger i read the Quran cover to cover so much that it became dog eared so i saw the right hands possess wella abi Isis who were enslaving women were reading a different Quran? especially when you consider that Isis actually wanted to bring all Muslims under a single caliphate as it was before, not these bastardized hereditary monarchies or *gasp* kafirun democratic government? do you tacitly admit that Islam like all other religions is at its core a religion for men? why else would women not be promised their own virgins ? i dont even want to go into the weird shit where a 40 plus Prophet Muhammed tells his paddytosure Abu Bakr guy i want to marry ya pikin. imagine your best friend wanting to marry your six year old daughter and you betroth her just like that.
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:13am On Jun 30 |
larride:Do you hear yourself. How can you say Christianity is based on Jesus but not on the word of Jesus/God. You are basically contradicting yourself. So Christians worship Jesus and not God or is the Bible not inspired by the holy spirit which is God and Jesus as well? 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 9:16am On Jun 30 |
Bombblacks: k 2 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:16am On Jun 30 |
larride: Lolz. U are preaching to the pope here . Jesus himself is a manifestation of the numerous prophecies of the Old Testament . The fact that Jesus was even someone whom Christian’s believed in was because there was the Old Testament which Christian’s believed in before believing in Jesus and the gospel he brought . The only reason why Jesus has followers is because his followers confirmed most of the prophecies of Isaiah and other prophets around his death ticked all the boxes . Matthew 5:17-20 reads as follows: 17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. As for the adulterous woman , I was taking about the woman that was brought by the Pharisees who was caught committing adultery and they intended to stone her . Jesus practically said he didn’t condemn her and told her to go her way and leave her life of sin. This is the same thing celestials and those white garment churches do but Pentecostal Christians abhor them for that . |
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