Ibime:


This sounds like super story and knacking an orphan is just as revulsive as knacking a slave

BlueRayDick:


When I was much younger I used to think only Christians have so many denominations with different doctrine that do not agree with each other despite believing in the same holy book.

It was much later as an adult I know the Muslims also have the same issue. Sometimes I will come across Islamic cleric videos online and u will see Tebliq, Sunnis, Shi'as, etc arguing for and against the Islamic cleric’s message .

I may be wrong o, but I don’t see the difference between two different Christian sects arguing over female wearing trousers and two different Islamic sects arguing about what Hadith A says and what Hadith B says

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us beforehand that this Ummah would be divided as the previous nations were divided, as stated in the saheeh hadeeth:

Wahb ibn Baqiyyah told us from Khaalid from Muhammad ibn ‘Amr from Abu Salamah from Abu Hurayrah who said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one or seventy-two sects, and the Christians were divided into seventy-one or seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects.” This was narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan, Kitaab al-Sunnah, Baab Sharh al-Sunnah.

It was reported from ‘Awf ibn Maalik who said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one sects, one of which is in Paradise and seventy are in the Fire. The Christians were divided into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which are in the Fire and one is in Paradise. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.” It was said, O Messenger of Allaah, who are they? He said, “Al-Jamaa’ah.”

Sunan Ibn Maajah, no. 3982.

What is meant by al-Jamaa’ah is the ‘aqeedah and actions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions.

Among the sects that claim to belong to Islam are those who are misguided with regard to the Unity of Allaah (Tawheed) and His Names and Attributes; they say that everything that exists is Allaah and that He is incarnate or present in His creation – glorified be He far above what they say. On the contrary, He is above His heavens, settled on His throne, distinct from His creation.

Others are misguided with regard to eeman (faith) and say that deeds are separate from faith and that faith does not increase or decrease. The correct view is that faith consists of words and deeds; it increases when one does acts of obedience to Allaah and decreases when one commits sin.

Others are misguided by their declaring that the person who commits sin goes beyond the pale of Islam and is doomed to eternity in the Fire. The correct view is that the one who commits a major sin – apart from shirk and al-kufr al-akbar – does not go out of Islam.

Others are misguided with regard to the issue of al-qadaa’ wa’l-qadar (divine decree), and said that man has no choice in what he does. The correct view is that man has freedom of will on the basis of which he will be called to account and will bear the consequences of his deeds.

Others are misguided with regard to the Qur’aan, and say that it is created. The correct view is that it is the words of Allaah, revealed not created.

Others are misguided with regard to the Sahaabah, whom they revile and denounce as kaafirs even though they are the companions of the Prophet among whom the Wahy (Revelation) was revealed, and they are the most knowledgeable and the most devoted in worship among this Ummah, and they strove in jihaad for the sake of Allaah and Allaah supported this religion through them – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

And there are other groups who deviated from the path of Islam and innovated matters in the religion of Allaah; each of them rejoices in what they have, but they have followed the ways of the Shaytaan and gone against the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)” [al-An’aam 6:153]

We ask Allaah to make us among the followers of the Sunnah who will be saved from the Fire, and to admit us to Paradise among the righteous. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

OasisX:





......tell him to back it with a Qur'an verse. Let me tell you difference between Qur'an and Hadiths.

Qur'an is Compilation of Allah’s [SWT] words, revealed directly to Prophet Muhammad [SAW], while Hadiths are what Prophet's Companions and Relatives said they heard from him [Note; Hadiths were compiled after his death].

Also know that, each sect has their own hadiths. For instance according to Imam Malik (ra) in his Balaghan (Muwatta Imam Malik, 1601)

Holy Prophet said: "I am leaving behind two things the Book of Allah and the Sunnah".

Sunni Muslims do hold the verse tight to their chests like bitcoins, cos it can also be found in Sahih Bukhari [Hadith]. LOL!

However, Imam Muslim (ra) in Sahih Muslim (Hadith: 2408) reported what the Holy Prophet said as: "I am leaving behind two things the book of Allah and the Ahlu Bayt."

Shi'a Muslims no dey carry this one play. LOL! What bound all of us together is Qur'an, whether you are Sunni, Shi'a, Wahbi, Sufi, Ahmadiyya and so on.

If anyone wants tell me about what Allah commands or Islam permits, show me Qur'an verse(s) to back it not Hadiths.

 

GloriousGbola:


that is pantami talking. he is likely a much bigger islamic scholar than you are.

BlueRayDick:


When I was much younger I used to think only Christians have so many denominations with different doctrine that do not agree with each other despite believing in the same holy book.

It was much later as an adult I know the Muslims also have the same issue. Sometimes I will come across Islamic cleric videos online and u will see Tebliq, Sunnis, Shi'as, etc arguing for and against the Islamic cleric’s message .

I may be wrong o, but I don’t see the difference between two different Christian sects arguing over female wearing trousers and two different Islamic sects arguing about what Hadith A says and what Hadith B says

GloriousGbola:


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1393/all-the-followers-of-the-various-sects-of-the-this-ummah-will-be-in-hell-apart-from-one


the question would now be - who are the TRUE/REAL Muslims?

afrodoc2:


Islam became divided even more quickly than Christianity, probably because temporal power was involved very early with them, unlike early Christians who had no power or riches to squabble over.

islamics:
On that pantami talk, the explanation given was that, the poor would enter earlier than the rich due to accountability. Everybody go account from how he/she get 1kobo to millions and how he/she spend am.
So, it is understandable when such is said, as I remember, we do make jest of some rich men that they would waste time giving accountability due to how large their wealth are.
The religion abhor poverty as we are told to pray and work against it even if na to dey gather firewood sell so that make person no beg. That the reality is different today doesn't change what is there.

One of our predecessor (AbdurRahman bn Awf - Radiyallahu anh) who was given glad tidings of entering paradise was told same thing due to the level of wealth he has.

A40:
How tf did Adesanya beat this beast?

Jesus I just witnessed an execution on live TV. Hope Prochazka does not suffer permanent CTE

BlueRayDick:


I think one thing I noticed about Islam is that the Arabs tried as much as they could to infuse their culture into the religion.

They were successful to an extent that they passed some of the norms in their own traditional way to the religion such that u as a non Arab adopting the religion has to accept some of their traditional way of life that were alien to u prior to adopting the religion. Christianity didn’t have that much grip ; that’s why u see churches like African Church where known Oluwo’s ( traditional cultists ) have seat in the church .While there are traditionalists in Islam too, they are not too open about theirs .

Bombblacks:

So you are saying billions of people will stand in a straight line and start giving account of their wealth and how much money they spent on this or that before entering into a makeshift paradise with mansions and toilet made of gold. Does religion not sound silly to you?

islamics:


E go pass billions of pple sef since it should include everybody from time of creation.

I didn't say it would be a straight line kinda thing. Everyone would be given his/her book containing everything. So, everyone goes thru his/her own. So, definitely some book would contain more than others.

On the silliness part, , for every creed, there are stuff seen as silly but we just have to recognize the difference of view and respect it.

BlueRayDick:


I think one thing I noticed about Islam is that the Arabs tried as much as they could to infuse their culture into the religion.

They were successful to an extent that they passed some of the norms in their own traditional way to the religion such that u as a non Arab adopting the religion has to accept some of their traditional way of life that were alien to u prior to adopting the religion. Christianity didn’t have that much grip ; that’s why u see churches like African Church where known Oluwo’s ( traditional cultists ) have seat in the church .While there are traditionalists in Islam too, they are not too open about theirs .

afrodoc2:


Yes. I think a major reason is because quite early into its existence Islam had political power and therefore when it expanded it was only natural for Arab culture to be exported as a by-product of the spread of Islam. The Christians on the other hand were on the receiving end of persecution for a few centuries before they got any real power, so by that time they had already added elements of Western culture into their way of life. One obvious example IMO is monogamy.

islamics:

Greetings Sheikh, I get reservation about the bolded for now even though na learn I dey learn. Alhamdulillah, you mentioned Tafseer in one of your comments.

An-Nisa - Verse 59
O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.

How does the Tafseer you have read balance the above ayah with regards to Hadith talk?

The way we do our ablution today was Hadith. Suratul Maidah mentioned ablution but how it described it, is not how we do it today except maybe I don't know. The verse didn't mention inhaling and exhaling of water but we do that and some other ones too.

Iamdamilola did ask you question. I was also interested in the answer. You gave your answer, which was okay. But the thing I tell people is this; all of us go everly claim Muslim but our aqeedah (belief) and action na him go define us not we saying I am Muslim.

P.S: you are very good with putting up evidence, keep it up, I wish I can do that.

GloriousGbola:


And the ummah are unable to understand that times have changed and Islam does not have that political power any more. So they insist on importing and imposing their culture when they emigrate and pissing off their hosts.

islamics:
On that pantami talk, the explanation given was that, the poor would enter earlier than the rich due to accountability. Everybody go account from how he/she get 1kobo to millions and how he/she spend am.
So, it is understandable when such is said, as I remember, we do make jest of some rich men that they would waste time giving accountability due to how large their wealth are.
The religion abhor poverty as we are told to pray and work against it even if na to dey gather firewood sell so that make person no beg. That the reality is different today doesn't change what is there.

One of our predecessor (AbdurRahman bn Awf - Radiyallahu anh) who was given glad tidings of entering paradise was told same thing due to the level of wealth he has.

BlueRayDick:


Goood question ; Who are the real/true Muslims?

It’s just the same way a deeper life member believes what a Christ embassy member is practicing is not Christianity . The same way a mountain of fire member thinks a Roman Catholic is worshipping Mary instead of Jesus . Just the same way a winners chapel person thinks celestial and cherubim & seraphim member is not a true Christian .

All religions have almost the same problem .

BlueRayDick:


When I was much younger I used to think only Christians have so many denominations with different doctrine that do not agree with each other despite believing in the same holy book.

It was much later as an adult I know the Muslims also have the same issue. Sometimes I will come across Islamic cleric videos online and u will see Tebliq, Sunnis, Shi'as, etc arguing for and against the Islamic cleric’s message .

I may be wrong o, but I don’t see the difference between two different Christian sects arguing over female wearing trousers and two different Islamic sects arguing about what Hadith A says and what Hadith B says

larride:


I dont think this is true in every context except for Catholic and the rest of the protestants.

Most Christian's believe in Jesus, the son of God. I think what most churches disagree on is on doctrine.

Some churches held on to the doctrine of the old testament without considering the new testament while some hold on to the new testament discarding the old testament.

Apostle Paul in his letters to the Thessalonians in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says we should prove all things and hold on to that which is good. Basically Paul was saying because your pastor says it doesn't mean it is right until you yourself confirm that it is right.

Christianity is meant to be a personal journey between you and your God and not about doctrine.

iamoyindamola:

The major thing is understanding (agboye esin)
If you tell me the prophet said this and you back it with only hadith I won't take you serious because there was Qur'an before hadith

I stayed in MSSN lodge in school these guys drag the shit out of me
I am a lefty they always complain about me using left to eat mind you I only do that when I use spoon
Funny enough there's one of them who's a lefty too, the first thing I ask him if there was spoon during the prophet era
And the certificate you earned in school he used his left hand to gather it to be able to feed himself and family
He's indirectly eating with his left 😂
Them no green my matter and I no allow them rest too
I am sure if this was the north they will deal with me severely

BlueRayDick:


My dad was a Muslim ; someone like u who challenged some of these things that some sects tried to make the norm. Growing up I watched him disputing some of the things some Islamic clerics said on TV. He believed they were interpreting some of those things to suit their own bias .

It’s not just in Islam , it is same in Christianity .Some pastors harp so much on ur appearance , not wearing trousers as female , not styling ur hair as a male , etc ; while others don’t . Each sect will find a scriptural passage that backs his beliefs.

Bombblacks:

Killed him twice in one night. Looks like Jiri lost years off his life when he got up.

GloriousGbola:


https://www.nadiasinitiative.org/the-genocide


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Pn14Q1CCI

Not much difference when the orphans and slaves are the same thing

Just as Muslim men have the right to marry 4 wives, they have rights over slaves.


that is what that verse is about.

if you want to be starkly honest Islam promises MEN sexual freedom while going on about if you can guarantee the sanctity of what is between your legs you are guaranteed paradise

as a man i am promised 70 houris each in al jannah.
Basically I am promised 70 mindless sex dolls.

Believing women do not get their own 70 magic mike, possibly because

"Men were created weak" [another phrase littered across the hadith]

as a man i have the RIGHT to have 4 wives - but nothing for unequal women

as a man i have the right to fk a slave or [an orphan according to oasis - which is at odds with the grave sin of stealing from orphans] but women do not have the right to fk their own slaves


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Murad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Girl_(memoir)

BlueRayDick:


Where do u think doctrines come from ? Is it not the same holy book ?

It’s just a case of a sent choosing what to hold dear and what not to . Celestials and C & S chose to hold dear Old Testament practices of Making sacrifices , atoning for sins etc ; but other modern day Christian’s see them as being occultic . They decide to adopt the practice of Jesus not judging anybody (Like Jesus didn’t judge the the adulterous woman ) , but other Christian’s see them as condoning adultery/polygamy .

If u notice most oloshos ans Yahoo boys are comfortable going to Cele because they don’t judge them there . They don’t preach against them .

I know there are some Islamic sects who don’t take monetary donations at burials and naming ceremonies while others do with reckless abandon .

Methinks while Christians chose to call it doctrinal differences , Muslims on the other hand just say it’s because of different hadiths they hold dear in each sects. But in the end Christians are as divided as the Muslims .

OasisX:




....Oasis didn't say fvck but marry bro. Don't commit fornication on my name o. LOL!

larride:


Christianity is based on Jesus not on the bible.

Bombblacks:

Do you hear yourself. How can you say Christianity is based on Jesus but not on the word of Jesus/God. You are basically contradicting yourself. So Christians worship Jesus and not God or is the Bible not inspires by the holy spirit which is God and Jesus as well. This s..hit gets confusing daily.

larride:


Christianity is based on Jesus not on the bible. The bible is the combination of account of word of God revealed to his disciples, letters written by the apostles of christ and the first 5 books of the new testament were eye witness account of Jesus by his disciples, that's why they contain direct quote from Jesus.

Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. Not the bible. Any doctrine that doesn't have Jesus as its cornerstone isn't christianity. There's a reason why the bible say judgement will start from the house of God.

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7: 21 - 23 clearly - "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then will I tell them plainly, I never knew you, depart from me, you evildoers.

The above is direct quote from Jesus.

Christian's means Christ-Like, basically those that reflect the way Jesus lived his life on earth. Anyone who calls himself Christian who then go to a church that discards the teaching of Jesus is deceiving he/herself

Please which Adulterous woman did Jesus judge?