MaxInDHouse:


Please mention one time when Jehovah's Witnesses organization was wrong and the church that was right perhaps you are now a member of that church today!

I have given you an example already you look away as if you didn't see it and came back asking the question as usual to deflect.

You stated....

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION has never ever been wrong when any other group is right.

Romans 13:1 = Jehovah and Jesus = Jehovah's Witnesses (wrong)

Romans 13:1 = Governmental authorities = other Christian denominations (right)

Empty boasting as usual. The above is one in history of your religious organization. Close eyes to it again.

achorladey:


They simply want to look separate from others when initial set up started to break up after the death of Charles Russell.

They are Rutherford's Witnesses.
If they ever witness for Jehovah, it is a false witness.

achorladey:



This is what happens when the brand a religious organization sell is Jehovah

Your Jehovah said to those listening while he spoke from heaven this is my son listen to him.

When that same son was about leaving this earth he said all authority has been given to him and his last words said you are to be witnesses of me all, over the world.

None of his apostles go about witnessing about Jehovah in the new testament the focus was on Jesus Christ. Rutherford came changed the name and changed the brand of your gospel.


That is the truth you don't want to admit.

If we receive the witness men give, the witness God gives is greater, because this is the witness God gives, the fact that he has borne witness concerning his Son.


Witnesses of Jehovah's organization(Rutherford) is greater than that of Jehovah. Jehovah’s organization = God. You know.

cc FxMasterz, Oteneaaron, Emusan, MightySparrow

You get it brother.

Father witnessed about the Son.
The Holy Ghost witnessed through His disciples about the Son.
Delusion witness about the Jehovah.


In fact, with this revelation, I wish I could change my name here to Christ's Witness.

Can you ou see delusion I have been talking about?

Delusional Witnesses.

OLAADEGBU:

Selective reading as usual. You only use the OT when it suits you. Tell me what you know about Deborah and her leadership qualities.

At times i really admire your sensitivity!

Deborah was a judge in Israel that position is like someone who is handling judicial matters but now we are talking about sacred service in the spiritual temple which belongs only to the males.

So while the high priest is the one leading the people in worship Deborah only sit to judge matters having to do with cases outside the temple arrangement.

Renewedstrength:
I think you are wrong here, you can't compare Apostle Paul with Adeboye.
The bible was not dictated by God but God inspired people to write it down for the benefit for his people.
All scripture is given by inspiration.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is the writings that are inspired meaning even when Satan spoke, God inspired men to write it down.
Every scripture is given for doctrine and corrections in righteousness.

The apostles had authority over the church to set doctrines for the church. Because Paul is an Apostle he had authority to set doctrines for the churches, apart the 12 apostles and Paul no other person has this authority.

That is why men of God can write books but their books cannot be taking as scriptures.
When paul said 'I'for example he means it is not a direct command from the Lord however however, true and binding for the church.

For example in 1Timothy Paul said "I will meaning this is not a dialect command form the Lord but nevertheless true and the church should abide by it.
1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

As for women being pastors, there are arguments for women being pastors in the church because there where female prophets and Deborah was a Judge and also Aquila was mentioned that she and her husband instructed apollos, in addition junia was called a minister.
I don't think these arguments stand because first, the old testament national Israel is not the same as the church secondly, a prophet is different from a pastor, a woman can be a prophet it is very in the new testament.

Acts 21:8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

Neither Is the argument about if a woman can be an evangelist or serve in the church.

The issue is that pastoral leadership is primarily for competent men. Mind you not every man can be a pastor because some people will say we are all one in Christ then why the restriction?

when it comes to the church pastoring is for a competent man.

Is it necessary for a women to look for a man to pastor over her in a case where just two women is the church here?

Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


Now going by your pastor thing....

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.



Some will say this goes in order.....

Apostles, Prophets before pastor. All this legislation and legalisms stifle the essence of those gifts in the first place which is to.....

people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ

Whatever is to be done as a man or woman do it as to God not to men. It allows free flow of the spirit.

MaxInDHouse:


At times i really admire your sensitivity!

Deborah was a judge in Israel that position is like someone who is handling judicial matters but now we are talking about sacred service in the spiritual temple which belongs only to the males.

So while the high priest is the one leading the people in worship Deborah only sit to judge matters having to do with cases outside the temple arrangement.

You don't understand what you are typing. Judicial matter that is life and death is not a sacred service to God

achorladey:

I have you an example already you look away as if you didn't see it and came back asking the question as usual to deflect.
You stated....
Romans 13:1 = Jehovah and Jesus = Jehovah's Witnesses (wrong)
Romans 13:1 = Governmental authorities = other Christian denominations (right)
Empty boasting as usual. The above is one in history of your religious organization. Close eyes to it again.

Please try to expatiate on Romans 13:1 so that we can all learn from your observation.

From my own opinion no other organization best applied Romans 13:1 better than Jehovah's Witnesses but since you have a contrary opinion please let me know how any other church applied it better.

Thanks!

achorladey:

You don't understand what you are typing. Judicial matter that is life and death is not a sacred service to God

Sacred service has to do with the temple but judicial matters is outside the temple!

MaxInDHouse:


Sacred service has to do with the temple but judicial matters is outside the temple!

Sacred service goes way beyond outside the temple or any building.

John 4: Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.

It goes beyond the temple. Your mind didn't tell you your observing God's commandment of loving him and neighbour is part of sacred service to God and it is not done in the temple alone

Renewedstrength:
thanks so much for your honest submission, as you have rightly said let God be true and every man a liar.
As Christians we don't believe in having personal truths, it calls for concern for a Christian to have his or her truth. However, I am not saying God can't work mightily through a female, yes God can but however, it does not automatically mean that she is a pastor. Being a pastor is not just a matter of personal desire but that individual must be qualified to be.

Beautiful, what are the qualifications?

achorladey:

Sacred service goes way beyond outside the temple or any building.

Please pardon my manners, i've forgotten that i'm chatting with a none JW.

In ancient Israel the temple is a place where people gather to worship spiritually speaking the Christian congregation meetings today is a spiritual temple not the building anymore!

So just as only males officiates in the old temple arrangement Jesus made sure that only males officiates in the spiritual temple too that's why he never chose a single female when he called all his disciples together.

MaxInDHouse:

He said Christians will be his witnesses not that they will be called Jesus' WITNESSES that's why his first century Jewish disciples never said they are Jesus' witnesses.

same way Jehovah never said anyone will be called Jehovah witness.

Do you know the meaning of Christians? Why were they called Christians and not Jehovah Witnesses?

MaxInDHouse:


Sacred service has to do with the temple but judicial matters is outside the temple!

Sacred service goes way beyond outside the temple.

MaxInDHouse:


Please pardon my manners, i've forgotten that i'm chatting with a none JW.

In ancient Israel the temple is a place where people gather to worship spiritually speaking the Christian congregation meetings today is a spiritual temple not the building anymore!

So just as only males officiates in the old temple arrangement Jesus made sure that only males officiates in the spiritual temple too that's why he never chose a single female when he called all his disciples together.

Sacred service then and now goes beyond what is done inside the temple.

Chatting with a Jehovah's Witnesses or none Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to do with that

achorladey:



This is what happens when the brand a religious organization sell is Jehovah

Your Jehovah said to those listening while he spoke from heaven this is my son listen to him.

When that same son was about leaving this earth he said all authority has been given to him and his last words said you are to be witnesses of me all, over the world.

None of his apostles go about witnessing about Jehovah in the new testament the focus was on Jesus Christ. Rutherford came changed the name and changed the brand of your gospel.


That is the truth you don't want to admit.

If we receive the witness men give, the witness God gives is greater, because this is the witness God gives, the fact that he has borne witness concerning his Son.


Witnesses of Jehovah's organization(Rutherford) is greater than that of Jehovah. Jehovah’s organization = God. You know.

cc FxMasterz, Oteneaaron, Emusan, MightySparrow

Thanks for enlightening Maxindhouse. These JWs have done all their best in an attempt to bastardize the Word of God but they couldn't. This is the reason why I choose to call them JWs instead of 'Jehovah Witnesses'. They clearly do not witness for 'Jehovah' but for their cult. Jehovah does not need any witnesses, "For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made." Jehovah already has everything witnessing for Him. He doesn't need Maxindhouse or his cult to do that.

Jesus Christ needs witnesses because not everyone is aware of the works He accomplished on the cross.

In Acts 1:8, Christ said:
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me (not unto Jehovah) both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

The JW movement is lying movement that prophesied Christ's coming in 1874, 1878 and 1914 in deceit and in blatant disregard of Christ's warning that His second coming can not be pre-announced because it will be a sudden event. Christ said His coming will be as clear as thunder strike that could be seen by everyone, the lying witnesses said He has come in an invisible fashion as a mighty spirit King. The liars didn't stop at that in their lying witnessing, they said Christ started ruling in heaven in 1914, deliberately lying against Jesus Christ whose rulership has been described in scriptures before Russel himself was born: "But to the Son He says: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
" Hebrews 1:8.

Can we ever exhaust the many lies of these Lying Witnesses'?

MaxInDHouse:


Please try to expatiate on Romans 13:1 so that we can all learn from your observation.

From my own opinion no other organization best applied Romans 13:1 better than Jehovah's Witnesses but since you have a contrary opinion please let me know how any other church applied it better.

Thanks!

Romans 13:1 = Jehovah and Jesus = Jehovah's Witnesses (wrong).


Romans 13:1 = Governmental authorities = other Christian denominations (right).

Renewedstrength:
same way Jehovah never said anyone will be called Jehovah witness.

JEHOVAH hid that name from Satan and all his agents otherwise they would have stolen that GROUP name long ago.
But in the year 1931 when pure worship was restored among the International Bible Students Association Jehovah began calling His people by the hidden group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Renewedstrength:

Do you know the meaning of Christians?

Christians are followers of the first century young Jewish carpenter who later became a teacher and claimed he is the CHRIST.
For years Jews were calling his disciples "people belonging to the WAY" {Act 9:2; 22:4} because their leader called himself "the WAY" {John 14:6} later unbelieving Jews in Antioch started calling them "CHRISTIANS" to demean them {Act 11:26} it was like saying they will all suffer and die miserably like their leader who claimed he is the CHRIST but Jesus disciples claimed it with joy! Act 5:41 compare to Hebrews 11:24-25

Renewedstrength:

Why were they called Christians and not Jehovah Witnesses?

The name was to be revealed in our own time as the GROUP NAME for all worshipers of God from Abel till today! 1Peter 1:12 compare to Isaiah 65:15

achorladey:

Sacred service then and now goes beyond what is done inside the temple.
Chatting with a Jehovah's Witnesses or none Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to do with that

YES! Outside the temple males and females can pray to God on their own each performing what God commanded but when it comes to taking the lead inside the temple only males were chosen to officiate!

achorladey:


Is it necessary for a women to look for a man to pastor over her in a case where just two women is the church here?

I Timothy said a woman should not usurp authority over a man, meaning Paul is speaking of when a qualified man is present.

Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Are you saying that anyone who is not a pastor is not part of God's household? I am not sure why you brought this text.

Now going by your pastor thing....

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

It is not my pastor thing..
I don't see how this actually prove anything.

Some will say this goes in order.....

Apostles, Prophets before pastor. All this legislation and legalisms stifle the essence of those gifts in the first place which is to.....



Whatever is to be done as a man or woman do it as to God not to men. It allows free flow of the spirit.

No it is not legalism, legalism is when one depends on works to be saved.
Just as God is holy, God is also a God of order.

Yes Apotles comes first before prophet and them pastors. The reason is that prophets speaks directly from God while the apostles establishes doctrines for the church.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

It is actually the other way round the holy Spirit does not flows well in a church that is not in order.

achorladey:

Romans 13:1 = Jehovah and Jesus = Jehovah's Witnesses (wrong).
Romans 13:1 = Governmental authorities = other Christian denominations (right).

It's like you don't get what i'm saying here!


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION claim they are obeying what was written in the Bible book of Romans 13:1

So instead of just asserting that they are wrong why not present a PRACTICAL APPLICATION of that verse and let's know the church that best applied it in line with the scriptures?

Renewedstrength:

Yes Apotles comes first before prophet and them pastors. The reason is that prophets speaks directly from God while the apostles establishes doctrines for the church.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, i'm already seeing one of the lost sheep of the house of faith in action! Matthew 10:6

Well tell them that it's compulsory for true believers in Christ to have the same line of thought regarding organizational arrangement {John 17 :22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} then you and i can resolve what and where the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses got things wrong and the church that got it right!

MightySparrow:



Beautiful, what are the qualifications?

Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

1 Tim 3:1-7

Renewedstrength:

Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
1 Tim 3:1-7

Haaaaaaaaaaa!

See trouble!

Ọmọ if you're not one of those desiring to be pastors i can confidently say about you that JEHOVAH has caught you o and there's no escape.

Let's see how you won't become one of Jehovah's Witnesses with what i'm seeing now!

Renewedstrength:
I Timothy said a woman should not usurp authority over a man, meaning Paul is speaking of when a qualified man is present.

Are you saying that anyone who is not a pastor is not part of God's household? I am not sure why you brought this text.


It is not my pastor thing..
I don't see how this actually prove anything.

No it is not legalism, legalism is when one depends on works to be saved.
Just as God is holy, God is also a God of order.

Yes Apotles comes first before prophet and them pastors. The reason is that prophets speaks directly from God while the apostles establishes doctrines for the church.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

It is actually the other way round the holy Spirit does not flows well in a church that is not in ordered.

Fine

I Timothy said a woman should not usurp authority over a man, meaning Paul is speaking of when a qualified man is present

Key: qualified man is present. In other words women can pastor and are pastor. This is where I am heading.

Are you saying that anyone who is not a pastor is not part of God's household? I am not sure why you brought this text.

Nothing in that account says anyone not a pastor is not part of God's household. Emphasis on the foundation of God's household.

It is not my pastor thing..
I don't see how this actually prove anything

Your anything wrong here should include women being pastors presence or absence of men

No it is not legalism, legalism is when one depends on works to be saved.

Legalism is making laws on what is not to legislated since where the spirit of God operate there is freedom.

Just as God is holy, God is also a God of order.

Does not mean God can create disorder to accomplish his purpose. Division and disorder have its benefits

Yes Apotles comes first before prophet and them pastors. The reason is that prophets speaks directly from God while the apostles establishes doctrines for the church.

I don't know what I should make of this explanation. Both are called and sent by God to speak and both establish so many things.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Does not means division and disorder by God don't have benefit. The gifts given are divided or different all geared towards the same purpose.

It

is actually the other way round the holy Spirit does not flows well in a church that is not in ordered.

You stifle the spirit in the face of legalisms and regimentation because not all things you see as being orderly are really in order.

MaxInDHouse:


It's like you don't get what i'm saying here!


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION claim they are obeying what was written in the Bible book of Romans 13:1

So instead of just asserting that they are wrong why not present a PRACTICAL APPLICATION of that verse and let's know the church that best applied it in line with the scriptures?

In the space of under 24 hours....

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION has never ever been wrong when any other group is right.

To

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION claim they are obeying what was written in the Bible book of Romans 13:

Then...

So instead of just asserting that they are wrong why not present a PRACTICAL APPLICATION of that verse

You see how jump around here and there when your lies and manipulations get exposed

You are lost in your lies and manipulations.

Renewedstrength:


Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

1 Tim 3:1-7

Qualification of Bishop

MaxInDHouse:


Haaaaaaaaaaa!

See trouble!

Ọmọ if you're not one of those desiring to be pastors i can confidently say about you that JEHOVAH has caught you o and there's no escape.

Let's see how you won't become one of Jehovah's Witnesses with what i'm seeing now!

Same person you used style to corner about your wrong believes

achorladey:

In the space of under 24 hours....
To
Then...
You see how jump around here and there when your lies and manipulations get exposed
You are lost in your lies and manipulations.

Can you just explain how Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong in their application of Romans 13:1?

I won't like to remind you of what that young man said about your always yarning off point:

CJStarz:

Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

So instead of this incoherent comments just go straight to what makes Jehovah's Witnesses application of Romans 13:1 wrong and which church is applying it correctly!

MaxInDHouse:

YES! Outside the temple males and females can pray to God on their own each performing what God commanded but when it comes to taking the lead inside the temple only males were chosen to officiate!

See the person that says sacred service is done only inside the temple

Learn, no way.

achorladey:

Same person you used style to corner about your wrong believes

Ọmọ park go one side i'm excited now it's like i've found one of Jehovah's Witnesses outside the organization!

MaxInDHouse:


Can you just explain how Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong in their application of Romans 13:1?

I won't like to remind you of what that young man said about your always yarning off point:



So instead of this incoherent comments just go straight to what makes Jehovah's Witnesses application of Romans 13:1 wrong and which church is applying it correctly!

Because you like jumping here and there someone said you don't have a brain.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ park go one side i'm excited now it's like i've found one of Jehovah's Witnesses outside the organization!

Console yourself don't go about insulting the it's like when he exposes your lies and manipulations