monerozi5590:


You are just going here and there. You said the aim of football is to win matches. How do you win matches. You win matches by outscoring your opponents. I have said all these in the post you quoted.

I don't understand what you are saying again.

The goal keeper and defenders makes a team outscore their opponent. After all, they are the ones defending the attackers goals.

There's a reason it is called a team, everybody do their job to ensure they achieve a win.

swiz123:


The goal keeper and defenders makes a team outscore their opponent. After all, they are the ones defending the attackers goals.

There's a reason it is called a team, everybody do their job to ensure they achieve a win.

What's beyond goalscoring in football?

So Julian Alvarez wants to do a Cole palmer..

Well, they say fortune favours the brave.

monerozi5590:


. I have seen what I wanted. Thank you

it was nice engaging with you too.

ThierryJay:


it was nice engaging with you too.

monerozi5590:


What's beyond goalscoring in football?

Nothing. Because scoring is a team effort. That goal scorer you are hailing should go to Burnley and score 30 goals.

ThierryJay:


It's called an "average" law for a reason meaning there would be outliers on both sides, but for the most part the majority would fit in. There's a reason Harry Kane's case is attracting attention because it is an anomaly.

For every Harry Kane, you have Messi, Pele, De Lima, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Iniesta, Xavi, Henry, Lampard, Gerard, KDB and even CR7.

You really don't get it do you. To a Football coach, two goals and 3 assists means 5 goals for his team. Whether the 5 goals come from a single or multiple players is secondary. To an athletes' coach, 2 gold and 3 silver medals remain 2 gold and 3 silver medals. Big difference.

Pep is right. But when you have a player who only does the hardest thing, while there is another who does both the hardest thing and the second hardest thing consistently, pray tell who would be considered more effective by this same Pep Guardiola?

Harry Kane renders your made up average law useless. Messi doesn't have more trophies than Ronaldo just solely on his individual ability. If it was solely on individual ability Kane wont have zero trophies while someone like Vardy is on 2. They are many factors contributing to a players trophy count. It's weird you will even bring it up when it's irrelevant.


We can all play your games. If 2 goals and 3 assists means 5 goals then 2 gold and 3 silver means 5 medals. You have actually not added anything new to the argument. Assists and goals are not rated the same likewise gold and silver in the Olympic. Why are you arguing against such a simple thing.

swiz123:


[b]Nothing. [/b]Because scoring is a team effort. That goal scorer you are hailing should go to Burnley and score 30 goals.

Thanks sir. I like Messi but Ronaldo is the greatest goal scorer of all time. He has done it wherever he goes since his debut at Man U. Real Madrid, Juventus and currently doing it at All Nassr.

Ronaldo is a one man army. Diego Someone said it well. Ronaldo will fit in very well with normal players but Messi needs extraordinary players around him to excel.

Even at Burnley, Ronaldo will still score goals.

raumdeuter:


Morata lifted the trophy

Sesko Dovbuk Scamaca Rice Lukaku did not lift trophy, didnt even make Team of tournament, the ones that are strikers combined scored less than Morata

sesko and scamaca.

The strikers airmark recommended vigorously to the board

Kimbeast:

Harry Kane renders your made up average law useless. Messi doesn't have more trophies than Ronaldo just solely on his individual ability. If it was solely on individual ability Kane wont have zero trophies while someone like Vardy is on 2. They are many factors contributing to a players trophy count. It's weird you will even bring it up when it's irrelevant.


We can all play your games. If 2 goals and 3 assists means 5 goals then 2 gold and 3 silver means 5 medals. You have actually not added anything new to the argument. Assists and goals are not rated the same likewise gold and silver in the Olympic. Why are you arguing against such a simple thing.

Absolute balderdash. An exception can never nullify an "averages" law, rather it reinforces it. I will suggest you educate yourself on what the concept means. Mention any other players in Kane's bucket. If you have an elite player, sooner or later an elite club will snap him up and then the trophies will roll in over time. It's a fact of football.

Messi produced the highest G/A of all players in history (not sure of Pele's record though). He has the highest number of trophies in history. There is a direct correlation regardless of the other variables. Without Messi's G/A, Barca would not have won as many trophies they've won and neither would Argentina have.

5 goals for a football team has the same impact, whether 3 goals and 2 assists or 5 goals from a penalty spot by a single player. The 8 goals Spain scored in 2010 had the impact of winning them the WC. The source of the 8 goals is secondary so long as the entire team could produce the 8 goals at those points.

To an athletics team, 2 gold and 3 silver is not as important as 5 gold medals, but 2 goals and 3 assists in football carries the same weight as 5 goals for the team (that you cannot see this distinction is baffling and frankly tiring). The objective of football is from a team's perspective and not a single player.

hensben:
I will still blame him because he supposed to know the two teams are different or he is just a system player. A good player shines at any condition. He was passing backward too. South supposed to bench him for Palmer who can play in any condition.

A good player thrives in any system? So Messi should play RB and you'll see how many goals his team will drink from his wing.

You people should not be saying these things. Change the name to Wharton or Gallagher and nobody will watch the role they are playing for England and try to define them off stats. I have asked for Mainoo's stat but nobody has replied because he went 006.

Guess what? He had CREATIVE assignment against Spain in that first half while Foden was assigned to chase Rodri around. Foden's not at Messi's level but imagine a coach assigning Messi to make sure Kroos or Casemiro don't receive the ball in their comfortable positions. You've reduced his output by 90% when you do that. No coach worth his salt asks his so-called creative player to guard the opps most important player. Only a fool will.

Leyqute:


They completely took their foot off the gas after that equalizer. They lacked belief. If not, they would’ve gotten a second goal.

And Southgate including his minions were just looking like dundee. Heard Bellingham lost it with him on the touchline before he made those subs sef.

E pain me as the just do that nonsense. After the winning goal, na there I know say Lastgate have nothing to offer.

E reach for everybody to vex aside Bellingham. Southgate can't just be expecting to drag games to PKs everytime to save him

Jodera:

So In all these Foden didn't receive any ball whether through knockdowns or from any player in attacking phase?

There's a reason Southgate chose Foden for that task and not someone like Gallagher. The role you just said they gave Foden is what Gallagher is efficient at but the attacking facet will die along with him. And that's why Foden was given that role to balance both facets of the game.

I trust Mount of Chelsea for this job sha. If na Mount, him go do that role well and still try attackingly even though he's not as creative as Foden

If you know the moments where he received the ball in his sweet spot, please provide links or a timestamp so we can analyze.

If Mount or Gallagher can supposedly play the role, why not play them there? You think I am agitating for Foden to always start? No. I only said to use him in his natural position and build around him. I said England are more likely to win anything that way.

The team was not built around Foden. In fact, England had been "benching" him in past tournaments abi? Even Chelsea fans said Palmer is better right? So Chelsea should win major titles like England have been doing since 1966 abi?

Exactly.

monerozi5590:


Look at the Germany, Spain, France. Nah. Those team are very good. They can beat England too even with Guardiola as the England coach.

Lol...
I don't even need to go far to guardiola sef.

Give this coach to Howe and I'm very sure they'll produce more than what they're producing.

hensben:
Rice doesn’t have progressive passes in him like that, but that’s not an excuse for Foden, I’m just saying

That's not an excuse? LOL.

Should Foden take the ball from Pickford and dribble everybody before scoring? Who was he supposed to depend on for the ball?

Trevor012:

See my guy

You are complaining about the same process that is used in deciding mvp award. So now you agree it's not a reliable metric 😂

Messi is a different breed and story. That Walker doesn't deserve to be there doesn't mean their Olmo, Musiala, Rodri and co that's there doesn't deserve to be there.

I only criticized Walker inclusion, the rest was right

hensben:
Rice mostly good at carrying the ball at Arsenal. Southgate instructed him to mostly sit in this tournament to protect the back 4. Foden mostly operate in final third at man city because Rodri and KDB already doing the forward passes. Foden should’ve been coming from the bench if South Gate understand football. Palmer from RW would’ve suited the team more than Foden since he got that one time passes in him, Maino rice and bellingham as the midfielders. With Palmer, Kane could’ve see the need to stay upfront. But then again, Epl player of the season have to be justified by continue playing Foden even when he has being below par for England since his debut.

In the midst of some of your good analysis, you throw in minor bones that are not only indigestible but simply half-baked.

Palmer passed a simple ball to Watkins BECAUSE Watkins will make the run which Harry Kane would not. You ignore Watkins, and praise Palmer saying Saka and Foden will not make the pass when I can show you Foden make those passes 4 times in the past 2 seasons to both Haaland and KDB.

Palmer scored a goal? Good effort. He replaced Mainoo after Southgate had CHANGED formation. Did you ask yourself why Palmer was in that position and not RW like Saka? What position was Foden playing at the time? What about Jude?

These are the type of questions anyone watching the game critically will ask or have answers to.

Melvyn11:
Bellingham is the Player of the year in La Liga, Young POTY in Champions League with both trophies in his bag. Scored 27 and assisted 16, provided assists in the final of both the Euros and Champions league . All that while winning most duels and completing most take ons. Jude or Vini is going to win the Balon dor come August and nothing is going to change that.

Quoting for posterity.

Realtord43:
Sorry bro, the tide have change to Rodri now!

He deserve to win it more just like modric.

Don't sweat it. A DM with 27 goal contributions and many winner's medals where Modric had 12 goal contributions and a finalist medal? People will cry here and I'd laugh because the ojoro of the past has come home to roost.

Jodera:





Messi is a different breed and story. That Walker doesn't deserve to be there doesn't mean their Olmo, Musiala, Rodri and co that's there doesn't deserve to be there.

I only criticized Walker inclusion, the rest was right

As long as you criticize one you criticize all. Ask people here to make their own first eleven and each and every one of them will be different. Same with Rodri as MVP.

popizaino:


You are also guilty of everything you stated there. Do you need me to remind you?

By the way,Watkins,Gordon and Palmer with a competent coach can beat Spain.

Wigan CAN also beat City but nobody makes analysis based on an unlikely event right?

Android17:
If you know the moments where he received the ball in his sweet spot, please provide links or a timestamp so we can analyze.

If Mount or Gallagher can supposedly play the role, why not play them there? You think I am agitating for Foden to always start? No. I only said to use him in his natural position and build around him. I said England are more likely to win anything that way.

The team was not built around Foden. In fact, England had been "benching" him in past tournaments abi? Even Chelsea fans said Palmer is better right? So Chelsea should win major titles like England have been doing since 1966 abi?

Exactly.

Well, everything just boils down to a good coach. Thank goodness Southgate is out now. I'll be looking forward to the new coach and see how he'll gel all these players

kingBolton:

His teams doesn't always have the consistency to compete in a 38 games season, saw it at Chelsea and also Bayern.
But if it is to prepare a team for specific opponents which is usually the case for cup games, he is very good at it. Look at what he almost pulled off with Bayern in the UCL despite their league form last season.

It’s weird, right?

raumdeuter:


Morata lifted the trophy

Shoplifter.

Euros 2020 final - Chiellini lifted the trophy after playing fantastic football in full time, to help his team secure the win.

Euros 2024 final - Morata lifted the trophy after getting bundled out at 68th minute for being useless and his replacement scored the winning goal.

Morata is a trophy thief.

Vischy:


There are two Perez boys or two real Madrid players as top contenders so votes would be shared.

All these commonsense you are applying. Don't you know it is not accepted here? International trophies were important until some RM players did not win it. Same person who was pretending to be neutral is championing the Bellingham rubbish much more than Madridstas but he has no agenda.

airmark:
Raumdeuter, A40 and Timbros, come and bow to your boss.

Where's Upamenonsense, Rice,Van Dijk and the other players you were famzin?

Trial and error scout isonu.

Trevor012:

As long as you criticize one you criticize all. Ask people here to make their own first eleven and each and every one of them will be different. Same with Rodri as MVP.

There'll be some semblance.
Ask any random people here and I'm sure Rodri, Fabian, Yamal, Nico will be in their team.

You can't because of Walker say those people are wrong to be there.

And that's how it is for Messi

Jodera:
There'll be some semblance.
Ask any random people here and I'm sure Rodri, Fabian, Yamal, Nico will be in their team.

You can't because of Walker say those people are wrong to be there.

And that's how it is for Messi

Will any of the eleven be the same? That's the Koko. Unlike Golden boot, there's no rigging or mago mago involved. 😁

Bluemann una still wan carry Gabriel mec after Estevao? Which kind club una be sef?

Capaldi:

German media is reporting he's interested in the England job. How reliable I don't know.

https://www.ran.de/sports/fussball/europameisterschaft/news/bericht-thomas-tuchel-will-england-trainer-werden-405784

If true, England might win a trophy soon.

Android17:
That's not an excuse? LOL.

Should Foden take the ball from Pickford and dribble everybody before scoring? Who was he supposed to depend on for the ball?

So them Saka and Palmer take ball from Pickford before them score. Go sit down one place jare.

No goal no assist in 7 matches.

Android17:
All these commonsense you are applying. Don't you know it is not accepted here? International trophies were important until some RM players did not win it. Same person who was pretending to be neutral is championing the Bellingham rubbish much more than Madridstas but he has no agenda.

I'll like to hear names pls 🙏🙏....