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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:01pm On Sep 16, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Where is the proof that he actually existed? When you ask them to provide proof that Jesus is the messiah from the Tanakh, they would be quoting isaiah 7 and 53 and run away but on proper scrutiny those passages are not even saying what the y think it is saying. Ask them to come and learn ....they would still hang on to idolatry, worshipping a man as God. After God has warned them no to make the image or likeness of anything in heaven ,on earth or under the waters below the earth..."Do not bow down to them or serve them".. Christians won't here... |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:51pm On Sep 16, 2023 |
sonmvayina: There's no God's test all what the Bible say is a global family of peace loving worshipers doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 If you're among them i will acknowledge you but if not then your god is not my God! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:32pm On Sep 17, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Lol... Is the JW a performing group? Do they obey God's divine laws Are there pedophiles in JW.. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:58pm On Sep 17, 2023 |
sonmvayina: Were there pedophiles among God's people in ancient times? YES or NO? ![]() You're just stupid because there was never any law forbidding pedophilia in the Torah! So instead of faithless arguments use your brain! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 5:28pm On Jul 19 |
SIRTee15: I created this thread sometimes ago, I think it will be sufficient for us to discuss the importance of the new testament or not. Since Jesus is the principal figure in the Christian scriptures, it will suffice for us to discuss his importance to anybody.. Thank you.. FYI you can read my initial post on this thread. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 5:30pm On Jul 19 |
MaxInDHouse: Really no law against pedophiles in Judaism... I don't really know your specific kind of stupid, but I admire your commitment to it... |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 5:32pm On Jul 19 |
MaxInDHouse: Who is your God? Taz Russel I guess or the GB in Pennsylvania... |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:16pm On Jul 19 |
sonmvayina: The one who promised that imperfect humans will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 Today you're reading what the Israelites wrote concerning the activities of their forefathers as they were being directed by a God but today you can't just think of a people who are doing something similar yet you want to argue that you're worshiping that same God who organized His worshipers back then! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18pm On Jul 19 |
sonmvayina:Please quote the commandment found in the Torah that's against pedophilia in ancient Israel. ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 9:30pm On Jul 19 |
MaxInDHouse: He gave a commandment that his followers should keep.. You are not keeping them , how are you following him again...? He gave the Jews his laws and they are supposed to be a light to the nations .. You are disobeying the laws ...just exactly do you belong to him? |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:02pm On Jul 19 |
sonmvayina: LAWS? ![]() Ọmọ what is the purpose of law? I think that's where your problem is hiding from you because there's no need for laws if only one person exists in a place but it's when people are many that laws comes to mind and it's to help people cohabit peacefully so there's no sense in laws or commandments where the inhabitants can't cohabit peacefully! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 9:27am On Jul 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Just tell me how people can live in peace without laws? Those laws are the laws of existence, as long as you are a human being, you must keep them. They are the rules of the game... You don't get to the highest level of the game without keeping them.. So if you neglect them, you ain't started . I sincerely doubt if you have read Genesis to Deuteronomy. Have you ? |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:19pm On Jul 20 |
sonmvayina: So if you find people living peacefully without picking up weapons against one another then they surely have laws guiding them but it's you who is deluded to the point of grasping that there is no way such could be possible without laws guiding them! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:31pm On Jul 20 |
Your problem is seeing others as wrong when you failed to see your own folly!
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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 9:04pm On Jul 20 |
MaxInDHouse: So you mean they have been brainwashed by GB not to take up arms. And why are they not taking up arms? |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 9:05pm On Jul 20 |
MaxInDHouse: This applies to you..not me |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by FxMasterz: 9:26pm On Jul 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Absolutely correct and 100% scriptural. Take note, if you preach the true Word of God as it is without saying what the Bible does not say, I would not have any reason to counter you. To further support what you just said above, the Scriptures say: John 5:35-40 (Jesus Speaking) "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." 1 Corinthians 15:45:" In fact, the Tanakh says so: Adam, the first man, became a living human being; but the last “Adam” (Jesus} has become a life-giving Spirit." Isaiah 53:10 " [b]Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: WHEN THOU SHALT MAKE HIS SOUL AN OFFERING FOR SIN, HE SHALL SEE HIS GENERATION , he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by Ken4Christ: 12:22am On Jul 21 |
sonmvayina: You submissions are incorrect. The scripture says; Hebrews 9:22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION. Let this point above sink into your head first. Read the verses that followed; Hebrews 9:23-26. 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he APPEARED TO PUT AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF. So, where did you get your revelation. Let me tell you something about the Jews you don't know. The majority of them are hell bound. In fact, the present race of Jews have been cut off from God and they are all in a state of spiritual blindness. This is why Isaiah wrote; Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah. You see how Isaiah likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah. What differentiate them from Sodom and Gomorrah is because of the remnant reserved for salvation. And that will happen in future. Apostle Paul made reference to this when he wrote; Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And he revealed when it will happen; Romans 11:25-26 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The phrase, all Israel shall be saved refers to the remnant that will be alive during that period. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:27am On Jul 21 |
sonmvayina: Surely if you have lived during the time of the Elders in Israel you would be one of the rebels against God's organized people asserting they are brainwashing the people. God's people are not taking up arms today because He promised to write His laws in their hearts unlike the Torah you're quoting which is not applicable anywhere again today not even in Israel where it was formally their constitution {Jeremiah 31:31-34} and with that all those having God's laws in their hearts knew that they shouldn't pick up arms against their neighbours most especially their fellow worshipers of the true God {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} they are globally speaking the same language of PEACE! Zephaniah 3:9 |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:35am On Jul 21 |
FxMasterz:You're not serious walahi talahi. Ṣebi you said we have part ways and if i don't quote you it's over between us? Well let me tell you that all those speaking of my comments as if they've seen something really strange knows exactly what they are saying: SeniorMan715: Questionnaires: Questionnaires: Questionnaires: Questionnaires: Questionnaires: Questionnaires: CJStarz: CJStarz: Mayflowa: naturefellow: You've been deceiving yourself all these while supporting the generation of the fifth brothers of the rich man in Jesus' illustration of Lazarus. Luke 16:28 https://www.nairaland.com/8153138/five-brothers-rich-man-know Well whether you like it or not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION taught by the GOVERNING BODY has these things and no other religion as in no single religion call it whatever name you want has what i'm teaching here apart from the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. So it's better you stay on your lane if you want to oppose God's only organization today! ![]()
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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by Iamanoited: 6:48am On Jul 21 |
YOU'RE JUST A SONABABEAST. ORISA37 AND AN ATHEIST. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 11:33am On Jul 21 |
MaxInDHouse: Who wrote the laws in their heart? God or GB? IF it is God you will shorn any form of idolatry which Jesus represent..and by extension.. Christianity. Like I always tell you. You can't be of God and you are breaking his commandments and claim you are in a performing group..those not make sense. Better be by yourself and keep the laws... |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 11:38am On Jul 21 |
Ken4Christ: You have proved my point. All your quote are from the Christian scriptures. Like I said, it is a Christian belief. It got nothing to do with African traditional religion and Judaism. We don't believe in human sacrifice, it is demonic to kill a human for sacrifice... All God requires is a contrite heart Psalm 50/51. See 2nd chronicles 7:14. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by naturefellow(m): 11:41am On Jul 21 |
MaxInDHouse:?? |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:01pm On Jul 21 |
sonmvayina: If not Moses who stood as mediator did God read the laws into the hearing of all Israelites? Guy people transferred the laws to people just as Moses taught the Israelites God's laws the same way Jesus and his representatives taught us God's laws. Once you don't relate with anyone then the laws makes no practical sense the only purpose of the law is for us to relate peacefully with our neighbors and that the GOVERNING BODY has achieved among Jehovah's Witnesses! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:02pm On Jul 21 |
naturefellow:If you need further clarification ask {Matthew 7:7} but if you don't it's OK! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 12:41pm On Jul 21 |
MaxInDHouse: But people had shown here that Jesus never existed...that is my point. |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:10pm On Jul 21 |
sonmvayina: A global organization of peace loving people {Isaiah 2:2-4} is undeniable proof that Jesus who is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} as living WITNESSES of Jesus {Act 1:8} so you and all your cohorts are wrong if a global family of peace loving worshipers could suffice in a divided world filled with violence! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 5:37pm On Jul 21 |
MaxInDHouse: Anybody can fly.. When you take passages out of context.. You end up as a sheepie of the GB |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10pm On Jul 21 |
sonmvayina: This is really funny walahi talahi! Ọmọ your stupidity knows no bound! For your information i was a Muslim from my childhood so i can confidently tell you that there are many religious groups claiming they are Muslims with different doctrines just as those claiming Christians but there is no single group in Islam that fits into the description you are reading in that Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 in fact no religion on planet earth fits in except Jehovah's Witnesses. Read it again and again: "God promised that in the final part of the days people from all the geographical locations on this planet will find their way into one religious group and they will use what they found in the Bible to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials stop the production, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbours" Apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you can never ever find another religion that (perfectly) fits into that description, NEVER! ![]()
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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 8:04pm On Jul 21 |
MaxInDHouse: Which God.. The one you are breaking his commandments Or the one created by Taze Russell? |
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:10am On Jul 22 |
sonmvayina: The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING you can't deny the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are excellently doing the will of God as found written in the Bible so if you think their GOD was created yet the worshipers are fulfilling what the Bible God promised long ago then your own god who can't do anything is DEAD! Psalms 115:4-8 For your information the other guy i shunned has also been blinded by hatred for truth just as you're blinded right now. GOD is a spirit that you can't see so the only evidence of His existence is the activities of His worshipers which must be in line with His purpose for mankind. Several times you have acknowledged that i'm a competent student of the scriptures but your problem is the source of my knowledge which is through the Bible God - Jesus of Nazareth - his Jewish disciples - Governing Body and Jehovah's Witnesses. You just want me to cut of Jesus, his disciples, Governing Body and Jehovah's Witnesses so that i can stand as if the knowledge came from tin air the same thing is affecting the other guy but he welcome two more factors which is Jesus and his disciples but the rest he despises with contempt, you guys are not different from atheists who acknowledged that humans like them are intelligent but keep despising the source of life God for reasons best known to them. So whether you like it or not all your gods are useless and worthless if there is no evidence of it's existence other than what is found written in books because anyone can write books and claim it's inspired but only the true God can make a promise and actualize it within His worshipers not by might or military forces! Zechariah 4:6 |
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