Blue86:
So who are the magisterium?

Blue86:
Did you even settle down to read what the man you responded to said?

He just labelled you and your faith devil worshippers. And all you could say is just what you typed below.

emperor4love:
no need,I hv advise u,if u like don't take it

StillDtruth:


Same as i.

But if you would put aside catholic doctrines and read your bible solely to form your own mind independent of cathoilic doctrines, you would see what every bible follower and believer has seen.

Kingsempires:
but you should'nt have make such statement

Jiokejohn:

I'm interested. Please give me a summary of the history.

Kingsempires:
Anything him want to talk make him talk.can i hold he form the blashemy word his is typing.you no know the guy is a traditionalist,so what argument you want make me and him argue

sonmvayina:

I will open a thread soon..

sonmvayina:

You mean I should not expose a fraud?

sonmvayina:


You are scared of what you might uncover..

Go ahead..

I did , and I am happy for it...

Kingsempires:
i'm a catholic is just that when i see mat13:55 i now get confused.i wanted to know further

Kingsempires:
Please explain?

Kingsempires:
In the catholic church,they call mary mother of Jesus `virgin mary'.but in the bible matthew13:55.the bible called the names of Jesus brothers.so what still make mary mother of Jesus a virgin when she have other children?

Emusan:


Calling Mary 'Virgin Mary' isn't about her life after Jesus birth but the position she was before giving birth to Christ.

Well I presume Catholic holds the position of Mary never gave birth to another being apart from Jesus Christ, which in itself has nothing to do with Salvation brought by Jesus Christ.

That should be the most pressing issue!

StillDtruth:


Mathew 1:25

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

First born means she had second born and the bible shows she had other borns too.

StillDtruth:


Same as i.

But if you would put aside catholic doctrines and read your bible solely to form your own mind independent of cathoilic doctrines, you would see what every bible follower and believer has seen.

Ubenedictus:


Actually those who call Mary Virgin are very clear that they mean she was a virgin before Jesus and remained so after Jesus was born.
This is an old Christian belief that you'll find across Christian history

Ubenedictus:
Actually those who call Mary Virgin are very clear that they mean she was a virgin before Jesus and remained so after Jesus was born.
This is an old Christian belief that you'll find across Christian history

Kingsempires:
I have understand what you told me but why do the pecostant churches believe that mary give birth after Jesus.because i had this argument with them before i can across mat13;55

Ubenedictus:

The bible was never written to be read solely. It contains writings addressed to communities. The new testament was mainly addressed to the churches, people who were already taught and already believed by words of preaching. It takes its meaning in the church to which it is addressed

Ubenedictus:

No Sir, first born is a designation according to the law of Moses. The first born is the child that opens the womb. Ex 13 says "Consecrate every firstborn male to me, the firstborn from every womb among the Israelites, both man and domestic animal; it is mine". As you may notice the biblical definition of a firstborn is not the one who has a second born, the first born is the child that opens the womb. He is first born even if he is only son. So please, first born does not necessarily imply a 2nd born in the bible.

Ubenedictus:


Actually those who call Mary Virgin are very clear that they mean she was a virgin before Jesus and remained so after Jesus was born.
This is an old Christian belief that you'll find across Christian history

StillDtruth:


This is obviously an old Lie!

Is a woman who has given birth still be a virgin? .That is does the birthing not remove her virginity?

And this is of course aside the fact that she had other children.

Kingsempires:
But if you do google research,it said that mary had no children accept Jesus.is it that the same word use for brethen is also used for relatives in Jew language

StillDtruth:


Google does not know anything. It is only showing what someone/people have said or believe.

But common natural sense shows that she did have children as the bible did Say.

If you claim brethren and relative then Elizabeth proves you wrong for the bible explicitly tells us that she was Mary's relative.

And the bible shows us that brethren clearly means "brothers" and it always goes further to show us the family and lineage of the brothers if they are not of the same lineage

So, we know who those brothers and siblings having the same parents different from those relatives having different parents.

So, brethren/relative defence does not stand.

Kingsempires:
The is a point ubeneditus made he said that the churches of about 1000 year all agreed that mary did'nt give birth to other children.church like orthodoxy,church of assyria all believe that not only catholic.

StillDtruth:


Like LGBTQ people A Lie is still a a Lie even if a multitude consent to the Lie.

Kingsempires:
I have understand what you told me but why do the pecostant churches believe that mary give birth after Jesus.because i had this argument with them before i can across mat13;55

Emusan:


Well it's not even logical to think that Mary remains VIRGIN after giving birth and I never see where scripture talks about miraculous delivery during Jesus birth.

StillDtruth:


And you can become those people to.see what they saw and experience what they.experienced, so, this is no bar or excuse.

Since the bible is known to be True, then it is necessary to.read it in isolation so that outside Lies will not corrupt and interfere with its Truth

StillDtruth:


I don't understand, is Jesus not already the first who opened Mary's matrix?

So, The Law is already fulfilled. And this is not the issue.

The issue is did Mary have sex and had other children?

And Mathew, Mark, John,, answers yes, she did for Joseph knew Mary as a married man must do and had 6 other children.

And besides, having children is a proof that God was pleased with her for barreness is a Curse and having one child would not cut it.

Further, the bible never said Joseph's only child which it did when it was True. It even went as far as naming the other children Mary had., so i'm sorry, you are Wrong!