Zahra29:


Lol, you think?

Before the Tories clamped down on benefits fraud, I know of a number of Nigerians who had claimed more than one council property and were renting them out. Some were even renting them out room by room in London. Imagine the profit at tax payers expense. Many are still living in council homes that they are no longer eligible for or need, but free money is difficult to forego init. There are as many young black girls with children who rely on benefits and housing support as white Brits. Some deliberately have babies before they turn 18 or 21 as it's easier to get a council house and other "perks" at that age.

If immigrants had recourse to public funds, let's not pretend that they would not be claiming everything claimable, so it's not just a white Brits issue.

Bolded part is true especially in London. They copy most of it from white. I totally understand benefit for women with kids but those fit to work who simply decides not to is where I draw the line.

Plus I blame Dr who issue fit note to them.

jedisco:


Not confirmed but if true, how has Japan fared since? Their population is dropping quickly but still their citizens are no better off today than 30yrs ago. They are increasingly looking outward and increasing migration. No one is arguing for unregulated migration here.

There is a reason the west has remained an economic powerhouse

Japan stock market is experiencing an all time low even nyse shares are dropping. I think there is more going on in the world we still don’t know about. Unrest in mid east , immigrants invading south uSA boarder and Europe, protest in Bangladesh and the jokes going on in Nigeria, Elon building space ship to start colony in mars.

We should all stay on the streets and look after ourselves, at the end of the day we are minority.

jedisco:
I'm noticing oddly contrasting views interestingly from same person.

On the protest over social service issue-



On far right protests...



For similar actions, one group have committed an own goal and should blame themselvesfor repercussions, the other group are only responding to deprivation by the government

That character is always engaged in 'whataboutery'. I don't know if he/she is deliberately trolling or if they are being serious. We speak about BAME being targeted by right wing thugs, the character will say ''what about black people who did the same in 2011''. The other day, we were posting about an issue that directly affects immigrants in the UK, the character posted something along the lines of ''what about Nigeria''.

The sad fact is that the BAME who support right wing thuggery against their own will never be accepted by the right wing thugs as one of their own.

lavida001:


Bolded part is true especially in London. They copy most of it from white. I totally understand benefit for women with kids but those fit to work who simply decides not to is where I draw the line.

Plus I blame Dr who issue fit note to them.

Lol, I don't know about the bolded 😂

It's not a Nigerian culture though, far more prevalent with West Indians.

claremont:


That character is always engaged in 'whataboutery'. I don't know if he/she is deliberately trolling or if they are being serious. We speak about BAME being targeted by right wing thugs, the character will say ''what about black people who did the same in 2011''. The other day, we were posting about an issue that directly affects immigrants in the UK, the character posted something along the lines of ''what about Nigeria''.

The sad fact is that the BAME who support right wing thuggery against their own will never be accepted by the right wing thugs as one of their own.

You dey fear for anonymous forum? No fear na. Address people or issues with your full chest. The use of "the character" just sounds condescending in a decent discussion.

claremont:


That character is always engaged in 'whataboutery'. I don't know if he/she is deliberately trolling or if they are being serious. We speak about BAME being targeted by right wing thugs, the character will say ''what about black people who did the same in 2011''. The other day, we were posting about an issue that directly affects immigrants in the UK, the character posted something along the lines of ''what about Nigeria''.

The sad fact is that the BAME who support right wing thuggery against their own will never be accepted by the right wing thugs as one of their own.

I could say that this poster never seems to drop any insightful comments or engage in stimulating debates on this thread and pops up only to attack posts made by "that character" and those of other select posters, (for likes perhaps?)...but I'll refrain 😊

When you have a minute, could you kindly provide evidence of posts where "that character" has supported right wing thuggery against their own?

Gerrard59:


The issue is that Western politicians are largely incompetent in solving their people's problems. In 2009 when the global economic crisis was ravaging the world, the Japanese government paid immigrant workers in automobile factories a one-off payment to return to their countries so that it frees up space for unemployed Japanese. Prior to 2011, it was very easy for a non-Southeast Asian to domicile in Singapore, and obtain PR and citizenship. The economy got tougher and jobs were scarce for the majority Chinese population as Indians from Mainland India accepted low salaries. They voted against the PAP in the 2011 elections. The party reversed almost all of its favourable immigration policies and tightened everywhere. The tightening continues while the government focuses on the top 1% of would-be immigrants. The lesson to be learned is: protect the natives from being overwhelmed by immigration from their livelihoods, or else they will react.

In the US, this is happening as migrants from mostly South America jostle for jobs that ordinarily would go to African Americans, but AAs being a die-hard Democratic voting bloc would not vote for the GOP. In Canada, natives complain about how their teenage children cannot find holiday jobs because immigrants from South Asia compete head-on with them and accept lower wages. Today, Canadians have turned their back towards unfettered immigration. The so-called liberal parties and their supporters don't understand human nature. I understand why most first-generation immigrants support such policies, but for continuous residence with peace of mind, the natives' economic concerns have to be protected because should they revolt, there is nothing anyone can do about it.


Presently, the immigration issue in the UK is multifaceted. One, the country has an ageing population who require social care which is burning the government finances. As a result, the government invites foreigners to fill up that gap. Two, the education system relies on foreign students to SURVIVE when it is not supposed to be so. Universities that cannot sustain themselves should be allowed to go into bankruptcy. Three, yes, the birth rate is abysmally low, but because the UK lacks a manufacturing base, many natives who cannot compete for elite jobs are deprived of economic opportunities which young and any-pounds-available immigrants can accept.

In my books, a country with a population of 10 million plus needs to have a manufacturing base to provide good jobs to citizens who cannot compete for the elite jobs. Everyone cannot be a programmer or doctor. Some should be skilled technicians and live an okay life. Switzerland does this very well. Lastly, poor law enforcement. The Gods forbid, but the law authorities in the West are terribly incompetent to clamp down on criminals regardless of where they come from, their skin colour and who they worship. See the picture below. Even in Nigeria, natives of any area will be annoyed when this happens to their daughters. We won't call them tribalists, so it will be odd to describe those in Rotherham as racists. Such nonsense cannot happen in China or Singapore without the authorities dealing brutally with the preparatory, but Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties are scared of enforcing the law. Tomorrow, they are surprised when they vote for the Reform Party and the GOP. I have never seen a group of people who are so detached from the basic understanding of human beings.

Hello, Gerrard59 san!
How are you? I hope you are not tired of Japan weather now!

About 2009 case in Japan, it was for Nikkei jin, not for all immigrant workers.
And so many Japanese people also lost work just like immigrant people because of Haken giri.
Mostly these people were Haken worker.
I'm gonna put picture which is I took screenshot from Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare website.
This is result of that case in 2009.

I hope you are enjoying life in Japan!

jedisco:


Not confirmed but if true, how has Japan fared since? Their population is dropping quickly but still their citizens are no better off today than 30yrs ago. They are increasingly looking outward and increasing migration. No one is arguing for unregulated migration here.

There is a reason the west has remained an economic powerhouse

It is controlled with certain restrictions such as a bachelor's degree being mandatory if the person will eventually attain permanent residence and naturalisation. Immigrants from mostly Southeast Asia are favoured over those from South Asia, especially the usual suspects in the picture I posted. Another point to state: all cultures are not equal. Then, the law authorities don't care who you are, where you come from, your skin colour or what God you worship. If an immigrant commits a crime in Japan, the person is dealt with the visa cancelled and the person gets deported and banned from entering the country. If the person is a permanent resident and the crime is heinous, it gets revoked. There is a reason Japan is safer than anywhere in the Western world. That is the aspect of law enforcement I mentioned which Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties across the Western world even to Chile cannot tackle. I have never seen a group of people who adore criminals.

Tufiakwa!

In my books, criminals should be thoroughly, ruthlessly, brutally and mercilessly dealt with regardless of who they are or how they look. If they have ILR, revoke it and deport them back to their native countries. If they are second-generation immigrants, do the same thing, lock them up and throw the keys into the English Channel. I don't know why the death penalty is frowned upon sef. The narrative is clear: don't forgive or pamper criminals. Deal with them! If I ever become a politician, obviously in my dominant environment, I will copy ALL of Lee Kuan Yew's policies to the end. I cherish safety and want the same for the inhabitants of my community. So, if as a non-native, you cannot behave accordingly, I will deal with you, no ifs or buts!

As for the state of the economy, aside from the recent currency fluctuations which made Germany jump into the third biggest economy, the Japanese economy has remained steadily okay - low unemployment and stable good jobs for the natives. Chinese and Koreans come here to seek jobs, the Japanese don't go there for the same. Aside from the US and Australia for those who deliberately learn English, most remain at home where they are catered for. The Japanese economy was roaring during the '70s through the '80s to the early '90s when it signed the Plaza Accords which every unbiased person knows wrecked the economy, especially in semiconductors and financial industries. It is a similar deal the West has been pushing for the Chinese to sign. Thankfully, they have refused. The future of the global economy isn't in the Western world.

peacefull:


Hello, Gerrard59 san!
How are you? I hope you are not tired of Japan weather now!

About 2009 case in Japan, it was for Nikkei jin, not for all immigrant workers.
And so many Japanese people also lost work just like immigrant people because of Haken giri.
Mostly these people were Haken worker.
I'm gonna put picture which is I took screenshot from Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare website.
This is result of that case in 2009.

I hope you are enjoying life in Japan!

Due to the language, not many non-East Asians work in corporate Japan, so minimal competition for the plum jobs, but the government had to protect blue-collar jobs for ethnic Japanese who don't work in the corporate space. Unlike now that the labour shortage is so severe such that Sri Lankans are even invited to work in factories. The key thing is: protect the natives' economic interests before non-natives.

Treadway:
on point as usual 💯

On the bolded, Trump still echoed same easily observable FACT in the video in the previous page, but as na Trump talk am, esp as him talk am his Trump way🤣, most no just wan hear.

They accused him of racial bias that certain jobs are meant for black people. But forget that in the previous century, employers in the northern part of the country had to employ blacks from the south when there was a labour shortage. As the next biggest racial group, African Americans need to have their economic interests protected first before other immigrant groups, especially black Africans. I cannot believe I am rooting for them as a black African.

As for the black community wey wan stick to Dems...well they have the right to stick to whomever. The fact and reality tho is that even with Dems white supremacy will always be a constant. Like Candace Owens has said in one of her vids (will look for the vid link and attach it), and I agree with, even the white supremacy doesn't rank high on the things plaguing black America. The family unit is a mess, mostly in black America. Single parents household, poverty, black on black violence, gangs, drugs, not given to education etc....all of this are the main issues, and hanging on to Dems have not solved their real problems one bit. A black president for 8 years didn't make them better or stronger as a community. They can keep up with their solidarity with the Dems, but I just can't see what that solidarity has done for black America till this day August 5, 2024. Na dem know sha

It exists in both parties, which is why one should choose the lesser evil which protects their economic rights. If the continuous outpour of migrants from South America into the US continues, the black population in the US will dwindle. In fact, there are projected studies by Pew Research which show that without an increment from Africa, the population of African Americans in the US will go below 10%. As it reduces, the white man wins. Both parties are not interested in admitting more Africans so the narrative that one likes black people over the other is falsified. In fact, obtaining a visa from the US embassy in Nigeria has gotten harder than under Trump. The US policy towards Africa remains unchanged - extraction of minerals and blocking China from trading with them.

Lady in blue in the Trump interview make a very hostile introduction to a discussion, Trump says that the intro was horrible and disgraceful. Immediately the CNN quoted this as the news headline 'Trump calls black journalist disgraceful at NABJ conference'.

Those two narratives are certainly not the same to sane minds

That lady was rude.

Please stay safe, everyone. I’ve seen videos, and it’s getting uglier by the minute, with some protesters showing off their Nazi tattoos. There’s also a list of cities and locations of planned arson attacks circulating, and my city is on that list. Keeping every BAME in my thoughts and prayers.

Presently, one cannot be too carefull being in the UK, just yesterday night walking to my accommodation after picking some items from an

Aldi branch which is close to the Library that was razed last friday night in NW, appeared two white hefty lads one was already on mask, the

second was about to cover his face and seemed to increase their walking speed towards me, i was convinced they were up to something, i took

a swift spontaneous reaction by retreating immediately acting as if i forgot at Aldi. I would otherwise have been defenceless against them with

their bladed weapons.

kwakudtraveller:
Please stay safe, everyone. I’ve seen videos, and it’s getting uglier by the minute, with some protesters showing off their Nazi tattoos. There’s also a list of cities and locations of planned arson attacks circulating, and my city is on that list. Keeping every BAME in my thoughts and prayers. 

Hi kwaku,what steps are you taking to keep safe?
Are you plugged to a network of BAME? Can you run to a church or mosque? Who can help if your house is surrounded?

Call and email your councillor and MP. Ask what they are doing to protect you.

Here in my town ,police are now patrolling the asylum seekers refuge. I m plugged into a WhatsApp of BAME people and we share regular updates to get advance warning of touchpoints


Tip: I would run to the nearest hospital too. Hospital has security, police ll respond like Mr flash, fear no go gree rioters step inside hospital.

OkanlawonB:
Presently, one cannot be too carefull being in the UK, just yesterday night walking to my accommodation after picking some items from an

Aldi branch which is close to the Library that was razed last friday night in NW, appeared two white hefty lads one was already on mask, the

second was about to cover his face and seemed to increase their walking speed towards me, i was convinced they were up to something, i took

a swift spontaneous reaction by retreating immediately acting as if i forgot at Aldi. I would otherwise have been defenceless against them with

their bladed weapons.

Gosh, this is soo scary

Gerrard59:

They accused him of racial bias that certain jobs are meant for black people. But forget that in the previous century, employers in the northern part of the country had to employ blacks from the south when there was a labour shortage. As the next biggest racial group, African Americans need to have their economic interests protected first before other immigrant groups, especially black Africans. I cannot believe I am rooting for them as a black African.


It exists in both parties, which is why one should choose the lesser evil which protects their economic rights. If the continuous outpour of migrants from South America into the US continues, the black population in the US will dwindle. In fact, there are projected studies by Pew Research which show that without an increment from Africa, the population of African Americans in the US will go below 10%. As it reduces, the white man wins. Both parties are not interested in admitting more Africans so the narrative that one likes black people over the other is falsified. In fact, obtaining a visa from the US embassy in Nigeria has gotten harder than under Trump. The US policy towards Africa remains unchanged - extraction of minerals and blocking China from trading with them.


That lady was rude.

Omo, me I can believe I'm rooting for them o...

Like Paul Mooney once said, who dem for root for if no be dem? After slaving for over 400 years pushing through adversity, and literally building the country with their hands, blood and sweat, I'm supposed to not give them preference over Tunde from Nigeria or Juan from Mexico wey wan come chop food wey don done wey dem no follow cook.

Same way I don't support xenophobia, but I can understand the anger of SA towards other Africans notably Nigeria. They (South Africans) didn't run anywhere, they stayed and fought for their country, died in swathes for it. Food come done, peace come come, Chinedu wan come enjoy the calm and goodies of the country, or some other African, that didn't partake in the sacrifice...Nija own go come still dey loud, boastful and proud join. Una come say make pushback no dey. How na. One naija geh with prominent Igbo and Yoruba name wan be Miss SA! Imagine! Like say one geh with SA roots and a name like Nthamelo can come and be Miss Nigeria.

The histories and struggles of these guys dey significant gan..i understand it and recognize it..Sadly most of them don't even know it, properly use it or channel it for their growth or benefit. I won't lie, it is also important to note that the system may not particularly be skewed in their favour sha. Las las, all I wanna say is that they don't really care about us🎵🎶

OkanlawonB:
Presently, one cannot be too carefull being in the UK, just yesterday night walking to my accommodation after picking some items from an

Aldi branch which is close to the Library that was razed last friday night in NW, appeared two white hefty lads one was already on mask, the

second was about to cover his face and seemed to increase their walking speed towards me, i was convinced they were up to something, i took

a swift spontaneous reaction by retreating immediately acting as if i forgot at Aldi. I would otherwise have been defenceless against them with

their bladed weapons.

Had a similar experience on Sunday evening. I was walking to a bus stop when one white man that had what looked like a knife cut on his arm walked towards me and started mumbling what I don't know. I quickly made a U-turn and walked faster than him while I find another path to the bus stop. Even while I was walking away, I could still see him following me.

We all need to stay safe.

jedisco:



Kudos.. You should be here soon. You're much needed hence why the government is offering 10k for physics teachers.

Good job but not without its challenges especially in 'secondary schools'. After certification, you'd be at the forefront of parent and student entitlement. Was recently informed of a school where all the English teachers resigned and it seems the mathematics teachers are planning same. Students don show dem shege. Being black and immigrant also means there are some other issues to contend with. Not trying to scare you but telling you so you'd brace yourself. You go dey all right las las. My advise is to seek out the best for you. Explore widely and don't be afraid to port if you need to. I started prepping and looking for my second role while still inducting for my first role and ported after 5 months.

Asked a teacher on a similar path who mentioned this: diaspora.doodler@ gmail.com The lady has a YouTube page (worth checking out) to support those coming over and offers non-paid advise on a WhatsApp group

Aside the subject knowledge part of the interview, also look at the non subject part too. That one dey.

Thank you Jedisco.
This will be of help

Ticha:


Have a look on www.tes.com

Thank you

Boya make we run go canada o. Make i go do express entry

missjekyll:
Meanwhile ehizario hasn't replied.

Nigerians usually don't say "it's well" unless it's very much not well.

My town has a WhatsApp group for Nigerians and we are posting updates on there.
This is a good time to get added to any group like this in your town. Just in case

Awww... Thank you very much for reaching out. We've been indoors honestly and morale has been low. Luckily for me I've been on annual leave for two weeks and the kids are on vacation.

It's not been nice honestly, can't even go to the park. Had to make the kids skip swimming classes yesterday.

Hope this gets resolved totally... it's been calm though.

Thanks all for checking on me n others.

missjekyll:


Hi kwaku,what steps are you taking to keep safe?
Are you plugged to a network of BAME? Can you run to a church or mosque? Who can help if your house is surrounded?

Call and email your councillor and MP. Ask what they are doing to protect you.

Here in my town ,police are now patrolling the asylum seekers refuge. I m plugged into a WhatsApp of BAME people and we share regular updates to get advance warning of touchpoints


Tip: I would run to the nearest hospital too. Hospital has security, police ll respond like Mr flash, fear no go gree rioters step inside hospital.

Thank you. I think this is very practical. Most parishioners in my church have been condemning on the our WhatsApp group, however, the GP is down the lane and their phone number is handy.

May God spare us all.

Who saw the video where some masked rioters rammed a car into a house That's terrifying.

Treadway:
Omo, me I can believe I'm rooting for them o...

Like Paul Mooney once said, who dem for root for if no be dem? After slaving for over 400 years pushing through adversity, and literally building the country with their hands, blood and sweat, I'm supposed to not give them preference over Tunde from Nigeria or Juan from Mexico wey wan come chop food wey don done wey dem no follow cook.

Same way I don't support xenophobia, but I can understand the anger of SA towards other Africans notably Nigeria. They (South Africans) didn't run anywhere, they stayed and fought for their country, died in swathes for it. Food come done, peace come come, Chinedu wan come enjoy the calm and goodies of the country, or some other African, that didn't partake in the sacrifice...Nija own go come still dey loud, boastful and proud join. Una come say make pushback no dey. How na. One naija geh with prominent Igbo and Yoruba name wan be Miss SA! Imagine! Like say one geh with SA roots and a name like Nthamelo can come and be Miss Nigeria.

Both groups have their peculiar issues, but I agree with you that they fought for the respect they enjoy and the wealth they possess (number 1 and 2 of the richest set of black people). They deserve all accolades. Our people suddenly develop their human rights activism when residing outside Nigeria. Na we dey arrogant online, yet where we live is run-down worse than those folks' environments.

Stay safe my dear people.
My friend’s husband had stones thrown at him in Liverpool 2 days ago.

You really know how bad it is, when my other half’s cousin called him yesterday (from Nigeria) to plead with him to stay safe. Na wa oh… Considering the part of Nigeria my husband is from, it says a lot if it’s from there they are calling their brother in England, asking him to stay safe.

Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

b. You spend £8,000,000:00 every SINGLE day on hotels for these arrivals. 2024 is a leap year. 366 days.
£8,000,000:00 x 366 = £2,928,000,000:00 per year (read: Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty Eight Million Pound Sterlings) on ‘Migrant hotels’ ALONE.

c. You can’t train homegrown nurses. A& E units are full to the brim. You even take away winter allowance for your pensioners. You cry everyday about budget black holes. You tax the people. You increase taxes. You can’t lift the cap on 2-child benefits etc…


While what these rioters are doing in places is extremely abominable, I hope the UK govt will take immediate steps to solve some of the immediate/root cause(s) of the riots.


Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

Who; specifically, are these illegal migrants and under what law are they illegal?

missjekyll:


Hi kwaku,what steps are you taking to keep safe?
Are you plugged to a network of BAME? Can you run to a church or mosque? Who can help if your house is surrounded?

Call and email your councillor and MP. Ask what they are doing to protect you.

Here in my town ,police are now patrolling the asylum seekers refuge. I m plugged into a WhatsApp of BAME people and we share regular updates to get advance warning of touchpoints


Tip: I would run to the nearest hospital too. Hospital has security, police ll respond like Mr flash, fear no go gree rioters step inside hospital.

Thanks missjekyll, we are actually okay and the police have been patrolling. I won’t pretend like we are not living in fear. Last night we felt like we were being followed during our drive but it was just a false alarm. We have a strong African community here so if push comes to shove, we’ll all protect ourselves.

Goodenoch:


Who; specifically, are these illegal migrants and under what law are they illegal?

Thank you Goodenoch. E don set. Rishi tell us what crime asylum seekers are guilty of and why they haven't been arrested.


TIP: They are NOT guilty of any crime. You are allowed to come here to claim asylum by any means possible.
Prior to 2018, very few were choosing this deadly route because there were other safer routes available. However, those other routes are all now closed off leaving the perilous channel crossing as the ONLY route.
It's not a choice,there is no other way

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

b. You spend £8,000,000:00 every SINGLE day on hotels for these arrivals. 2024 is a leap year. 366 days.
£8,000,000:00 x 366 = £2,928,000,000:00 per year (read: Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty Eight Million Pound Sterlings) on ‘Migrant hotels’ ALONE.

c. You can’t train homegrown nurses. A& E units are full to the brim. You even take away winter allowance for your pensioners. You cry everyday about budget black holes. You tax the people. You increase taxes. You can’t lift the cap on 2-child benefits etc…


While what these rioters are doing in places is extremely abominable, I hope the UK govt will take immediate steps to solve some of the immediate/root cause(s) of the riots.


Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

There’s no justification for what is happening; boats or no boats. Black Brits are also being attacked, so there’s no need to try to make sense of the situation. I’m a tax-paying immigrant with no access to public funds, but word on the street is that we are enjoying free housing and cars, yet part of the taxes I pay goes into benefits payments for the same people who’ll see me on the street and attack me because I’m black.

kwakudtraveller:

There’s no justification for what is happening; boats or no boats. Black Brits are also being attacked, so there’s no need to try to make sense of the situation. I’m a tax-paying immigrant with no access to public funds, but word on the street is that we are enjoying free housing and cars, yet part of the taxes I pay goes into benefits payments for the same people who’ll see me on the street and attack me because I’m black.

Exactly. That whole write-up is just weird.

On one hand, 'what's going on is so bad' but on the other hand 'actually you know brits are not being trained to be nurses and there's a 2- child benefit cap and people are being taxed'.

How are those things featuring in a conversation about the deadly attacks on people who aren't white without any regard to their immigration status? The other day everyone agreed that the riots in Leeds were not justifiable under any guise but today we're being treated to a buffet of 'underlying causes'.

Re underlying causes for privation in the country - about £4 billion was wasted on unusable PPE at the height of the pandemic. That's more than these asylum accomodations cost in a whole year and the jara would probably suffice to subsidise gas for the elderly to a large extent - why aren't the rioters at the gates of Baronness Mone and her ilk who profiteered from that?

The vast majority of the funds spent on those hotels go to shady middle-men who are profiting off the state (likely due to 'fast track' (aka corruption but I guess in the UK it's called lobbying) arrangements as with PPE - why aren't the protesters at their gates?)
The salesmen making millions from asylum hotels - The Times - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/the-salesmen-making-millions-from-asylum-hotels-k776jfd66

The videos, photos, social media posts etc are crystal clear - common denominator so far of all the violence is that it's targeted at foreigners and muslims. That makes it crystal clear that the drivers of the violence are racism and bigotry.

This sort of mealy-mouthed ''but, but, but immigrants' talk is what got the country here in the first place - people with vested interests (usually to deflect from their own failures) finding tenuous ways to tie every societal ill to immigrants such that the animals attacking people in the streets buy into it wholesale and lay all their woes at the feet of everyone who doesn't look like them. Some believe asylum seekers are given iphones when they step off the boats, and cars not long after someone really said this on LBC radio.

The fact is that there are a lot of reasons why Britain is facing the issues it's facing and there's responsibility in many quarters but these riots are solely the responsibility of those on the streets looting and burning and attacking innocents. It's certainly not the fault of students and workers and other classes of immigrants who paid the prescribed fees to study or get to work and are continuing to pay all the prescribed fees associated with their route of choice, and it's definitely not the fault of asylum seekers, although I want to wait and hear ReesheesuKnack's explanation of how these people are illegal first and then we'll check and confirm whether being attacked in their accomodations is the prescribed sentence for their 'crimes'.

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

b. You spend £8,000,000:00 every SINGLE day on hotels for these arrivals. 2024 is a leap year. 366 days.
£8,000,000:00 x 366 = £2,928,000,000:00 per year (read: Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty Eight Million Pound Sterlings) on ‘Migrant hotels’ ALONE.

c. You can’t train homegrown nurses. A& E units are full to the brim. You even take away winter allowance for your pensioners. You cry everyday about budget black holes. You tax the people. You increase taxes. You can’t lift the cap on 2-child benefits etc…


While what these rioters are doing in places is extremely abominable, I hope the UK govt will take immediate steps to solve some of the immediate/root cause(s) of the riots.


Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

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We should be able to have a broader, rational discourse about some of the underlying issues and general discontent felt even by those who are not protesting, without being accused of supporting the violence.

I made a similar post yesterday about the humongous cost of asylum hotels. It's staggering when one considers the daily cost running into millions, especially when you factor in that these hotels are strategically placed in areas which are already relatively deprived. Why are there no such hotels in Maidenhead (T Mays former constituency) or Yorkshire (Sunak's constituency) or other middle and upper class areas? Is the govt providing additional funding to areas like Tamworth and Rotherham to support GPs, hospitals, schools, law enforcement and other public services or are these communities expected to just make do somehow with hundreds/thousands of new residents when they are already underfunded as it is.

There's a reason why protests /riots are not taking place in leafy, suburban areas. Poverty/class/inequality is a big factor and this applies not only to these riots but also the Harehills riot last month in the Roma community, and other riots like the Croydon riots in 2011. What happened to the levelling up agenda to address the issues of social inequality, lack of opportunities and under investment in such towns?

I didn't support the Rwanda scheme but I agree that if Keir doesn't "smash the gangs" as promised and stop the boat crossings asap then the Rwanda scheme is going to end up looking like a silver bullet in comparison.

Interestingly Italy is about to roll out a similar scheme, but in Albania, and some other EU countries are looking to follow suit if it works:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-does-italys-migration-deal-with-albania-work-2024-06-04/

missjekyll:


Thank you Goodenoch. E don set. Rishi tell us what crime asylum seekers are guilty of and why they haven't been arrested.


TIP: They are NOT guilty of any crime. You are allowed to come here to claim asylum by any means possible.
Prior to 2018, very few were choosing this deadly route because there were other safer routes available. However, those other routes are all now closed off leaving the perilous channel crossing as the ONLY route.
It's not a choice,there is no other way

Not according to the Illegal Migration Act which the UK government passed into law in 2023. According to the law:

The Illegal Migration Act 2023 changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country.

The act aims to:

put a stop to illegal migration into the UK by removing the incentive to make dangerous small boat crossings
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Just stating facts.

You might want to check with Labour HQ if they have any plans to rescind this law and endorse boat crossings as a legal and acceptable route of migration to the UK

Fun fact: Up until last year, Albanians made up a significant proportion of people crossing by boat - until the UK government made a deal with the Albanian govt to stop its citizens.
Albania is considered a safe country, not at war and is even a candidate country to join the European Union, so it is a bit naive to think that only genuine wartorn refugees and asylum seekers are crossing over from Europe to get to the UK. E.g. Some are fleeing deportation from Germany and France, similar to some UK migrants that are crossing to Ireland to apply for asylum there.

Please if you have children always push yourself extra to look at accommodation in very good areas,most times you will be surrounded by people who have a lot to lose. They won't have time to be carrying bottle on the street even if they share same sentiment.

Nowhere is 100% safe but some places are riskier than others. Avoid deprived areas if you can cos katakata usually starts from there.

For some reason, we tend to not give serious thoughts about areas to live in, thinking that everywhere is equal, it really isn't so. I guess coming from Naija it feels like anything is manageable especially when considering funds but
Some places are notorious for gangs, knife attacks, drugs, alcohol , social estates etc

I'm just saying this as an extra just in case.

I hope we all stay safe and alert.