Zahra29:


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We should be able to have a broader, rational discourse about some of the underlying issues and general discontent felt even by those who are not protesting, without being accused of supporting the violence.

I made a similar post yesterday about the humongous cost of asylum hotels. It's staggering when one considers the daily cost running into millions, especially when you factor in that these hotels are strategically placed in areas which are already relatively deprived. Why are there no such hotels in Maidenhead (T Mays former constituency) or Yorkshire (Sunak's constituency) or other middle and upper class areas? Is the govt providing additional funding to areas like Tamworth and Rotherham to support GPs, hospitals, schools, law enforcement and other public services or are these communities expected to just make do somehow with hundreds/thousands of new residents when they are already underfunded as it is.

There's a reason why protests /riots are not taking place in leafy, suburban areas. Poverty/class/inequality is a big factor and this applies not only to these riots but also the Harehills riot last month in the Roma community, and other riots like the Croydon riots in 2011. What happened to the levelling up agenda to address the issues of social inequality, lack of opportunities and under investment in such towns?

I didn't support the Rwanda scheme but I agree that if Keir doesn't "smash the gangs" as promised and stop the boat crossings asap then the Rwanda scheme is going to end up looking like a silver bullet in comparison.

Interestingly Italy is about to roll out a similar scheme, but in Albania, and some other EU countries are looking to follow suit if it works:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-does-italys-migration-deal-with-albania-work-2024-06-04/

That money goes back into British economy, its not given to asylum seekers to send back home, its a contract given to British companies, hotels housing asylum seekers are owned by British people, they employ people to work in those hotels and asylum centres.

justwise:


That money goes back into British economy, its not given to asylum seekers to send back home, its a contract given to British companies, hotels housing asylum seekers are owned by British people, they employ to work in those hotels and asylum centres.

And what goes to the local community for the public services needed to cater for the new residents? I'm not saying asylum seekers should not be provided for, but let's be reasonable - they are physical beings, not spirits, and they require access to hospitals, schools, GPs, probably mental health services, employment and L & D services for those eligible to work and more. Is the government making these funds available to the council or is it only the hotel owners that are cashing out?

Zahra29:


Not according to the Illegal Migration Act which the UK government passed into law in 2023. According to the law:

The Illegal Migration Act 2023 changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country.

The act aims to:

put a stop to illegal migration into the UK by removing the incentive to make dangerous small boat crossings
.....


Just stating facts.

You might want to check with Labour HQ if they have any plans to rescind this law and endorse boat crossings as a legal and acceptable route of migration to the UK

Fun fact: Up until last year, Albanians made up a significant proportion of people crossing by boat - until the UK government made a deal with the Albanian govt to stop its citizens.
Albania is considered a safe country, not at war and is even a candidate country to join the European Union, so it is a bit naive to think that only genuine wartorn refugees and asylum seekers are crossing over from Europe to get to the UK. E.g. Some are fleeing deportation from Germany and France, similar to some UK migrants that are crossing to Ireland to apply for asylum there.

I see . Shouldn't they be banged up on stepping foot on british soil then? Why is that not happening? Some "laws " are only good for loo roll. This is one of them. Asylum seeking is not a crime under international law. How you arrive does not matter

Not everyone is a genuine asylum seeker. That's why you process the claims,sift out the liars and deport them.
This is not rocket science

Zahra29:


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We should be able to have a broader, rational discourse about some of the underlying issues and general discontent felt even by those who are not protesting, without being accused of supporting the violence.

No ,you don't. QED.

They lost that right when they tried to burn those people alive. When they dragged people out of their cars. We are back to the bad old days of the p*** bashing in the 70s. There is no discussion to be had with criminals.

They are getting banged up now and good riddance to them. Hopefully there ll be enough space to jail them all and enough judges to sentences them after 14 yrs of your mates misrule of the country.


The most tragic result of that is the loss of innocence for minorities in this country. Humza Yousaf spoke of questioning his own identity and belief in his Scottish Ness. He is not the only one saying that today.

kwakudtraveller:

There’s no justification for what is happening; boats or no boats. Black Brits are also being attacked, so there’s no need to try to make sense of the situation. I’m a tax-paying immigrant with no access to public funds, but word on the street is that we are enjoying free housing and cars, yet part of the taxes I pay goes into benefits payments for the same people who’ll see me on the street and attack me because I’m black.

it is not sustainable for any country in the world to spend ~ £3,000,000,000:00 only annually on hotels bills for people who enter their country ILLEGALLY. Meanwhile legal residents of that same country are not getting GP appointments.

While this may be an unpopular opinion (here), it is a fact.

Again, I repeat. These wanton attacks and destruction is abhorrent. But, the Govt needs to think very carefully about the grievances the rioting lot may be having.

PS: I am never the one to shy away from holding opinions, especially given the evidence.

justwise:


That money goes back into British economy, its not given to asylum seekers to send back home, its a contract given to British companies, hotels housing asylum seekers are owned by British people, they employ to work in those hotels and asylum centres.

By your logic, it means circa 3billion pounds on hotel bills is bang for buck?

HARRIS/WALZ2024! YEEEHAW!!!

LETS GO!!!!!

Illegal immigrants have really suffered O, they're blamed for everything including lack of GP
appointments.

Everyone of us are a strain on services ,if you have children you've also added to the burden. This is because there are simply not enough doctors to go round even minus the illegal ones. Nawa o.

Una just make it sound like they wake up, dust their yansh ,plaster illegal on their foreheads and rock up to GP surgeries or A&E, when in actual fact, they usually would avoid contact with health professionals except at crisis point.

The A&E, GP, doctors issue is very complex.

There are not enough GPs, the ones there are running to other destinations due to lack of government investment ,poor work life balance , poor pay, and erosion of the medical profession.

The government has chosen not to invest in training doctors, rather, they've channeled money into PA who will provide cheaper labour.

Na only the GP appointment one consain me so I'm sticking to my lane

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.




Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

Even the people who came up with/ostensibly had within their policy the so-called Rwanda scheme didn't support it. Neither Boris nor Mary nor Rishi intended to put anyone on a plane at any time. Had they so intended they would have done so.

Zahra29:


And what goes to the local community for the public services needed to cater for the new residents? I'm not saying asylum seekers should not be provided for, but let's be reasonable - they are physical beings, not spirits, and they require access to hospitals, schools, GPs, probably mental health services, employment and L & D services for those eligible to work and more. [b]Is the government making these funds available to the council [/b]or is it only the hotel owners that are cashing out?

This is the reason why the protesters should be addressing themselves directly to the government and not indirectly through unfocused violence. Unless this is also another display of the famed British dislike of being blunt and direct like Europeans and preferring beating round the bush?

The irresponsible rioters have unequivocally demonstrated both in words and actions that this is white skins vs people of colour. They care less whether you were born here or through what means you entered, you're a target as long as you don't share the same skin colour. Yet some people on this thread are trying hard to make us think otherwise. Why am I even surprised?

I just hope everyone is staying safe and watchful.

ReesheesuKnack:



By your logic, it means circa 3billion pounds on hotel bills is bang for buck?

Can you provide any official source to support that claim?

Zahra29:


💯

We should be able to have a broader, rational discourse about some of the underlying issues and general discontent felt even by those who are not protesting, without being accused of supporting the violence.

I made a similar post yesterday about the humongous cost of asylum hotels. It's staggering when one considers the daily cost running into millions, especially when you factor in that these hotels are strategically placed in areas which are already relatively deprived. Why are there no such hotels in Maidenhead (T Mays former constituency) or Yorkshire (Sunak's constituency) or other middle and upper class areas? Is the govt providing additional funding to areas like Tamworth and Rotherham to support GPs, hospitals, schools, law enforcement and other public services or are these communities expected to just make do somehow with hundreds/thousands of new residents when they are already underfunded as it is.

There's a reason why protests /riots are not taking place in leafy, suburban areas. Poverty/class/inequality is a big factor and this applies not only to these riots but also the Harehills riot last month in the Roma community, and other riots like the Croydon riots in 2011. What happened to the levelling up agenda to address the issues of social inequality, lack of opportunities and under investment in such towns?

I didn't support the Rwanda scheme but I agree that if Keir doesn't "smash the gangs" as promised and stop the boat crossings asap then the Rwanda scheme is going to end up looking like a silver bullet in comparison.

Interestingly Italy is about to roll out a similar scheme, but in Albania, and some other EU countries are looking to follow suit if it works:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-does-italys-migration-deal-with-albania-work-2024-06-04/

I think we can. The problem is who with?

Irrespective of how many hifalutin perfectly conjugated and curated words we throw about in cyberspace on the pages of Nairaland or elsewhere, the upshot of what is going on is that if you are a visible minority, regardless of your immigration status, which, as has been highlighted severally, is not a visible feature, one is at risk of being deemed an illegal immigrant and possibly treated according to these protestors' desires. That's the reality.

This video is instructive https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj622z0w7n0o

Zahra29:


[b]And what goes to the local community for the public services needed to cater for the new residents? [/b]I'm not saying asylum seekers should not be provided for, but let's be reasonable - they are physical beings, not spirits, and they require access to hospitals, schools, GPs, probably mental health services, employment and L & D services for those eligible to work and more. Is the government making these funds available to the council or is it only the hotel owners that are cashing out?

Govt can save money by getting able bodied off their lazy backside and into work, single mothers/fathers with more than two kids should start looking into family planning . Govt should stop getting involved or dragged into foreign wars by America.

Govt can spend on local communities even with the money spent on asylum.

missjekyll:


I see . Shouldn't they be banged up on stepping foot on british soil then? Why is that not happening? Some "laws " are only good for loo roll. This is one of them. Asylum seeking is not a crime under international law. How you arrive does not matter

Not everyone is a genuine asylum seeker. That's why you process the claims,sift out the liars and deport them.
This is not rocket science

I think you should direct these concerns to Labour HQ because it's not my personal opinion, it's the facts of the current law which you appear unaware of.

Why didn't/don't you campaign for Labour to rescind the Illegal Migration Act?

missjekyll:

No ,you don't. QED.

They lost that right when they tried to burn those people alive. When they dragged people out of their cars. We are back to the bad old days of the p*** bashing in the 70s. There is no discussion to be had with criminals.

They are getting banged up now and good riddance to them. Hopefully there ll be enough space to jail them all and enough judges to sentences them after 14 yrs of your mates misrule of the country.


The most tragic result of that is the loss of innocence for minorities in this country. Humza Yousaf spoke of questioning his own identity and belief in his Scottish Ness. He is not the only one saying that today.

Yes we do, or else the same riots/ protests will keep happening up whether in Harehills or Rotherham or elsewhere.

The criminals will receive swift and steep punishments and penalties - it's already happening. It doesn't stop the deeper societal issues from being looked into after the dust has settled. Most people can walk and chew gum at the same time you know.

Anyways these discussions are already being had behind closed doors regardless of your views - watch out for new policy announcements in the coming months.

Cyberknight:


I think we can. The problem is who with?

Irrespective of how many hifalutin perfectly conjugated and curated words we throw about in cyberspace on the pages of Nairaland or elsewhere, the upshot of what is going on is that if you are a visible minority, regardless of your immigration status, which, as has been highlighted severally, is not a visible feature, one is at risk of being deemed an illegal immigrant and possibly treated according to these protestors' desires. That's the reality.

This video is instructive https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj622z0w7n0o

Good question. At least we agree that important discussions need to be had. There are so many complex issues currently facing the country from rising intolerance, divided communities, deprived towns, underfunded public services, stop the boats, perception of 2 tier policing etc. Put all these issues together in one place and you're going to end up with a tinderbox that can erupt at any time.

Thinking we can just jail a few hundred people and then carry on as normal as a country is simplistic and fanciful.

Cyberknight:


This is the reason why the protesters should be addressing themselves directly to the government and not indirectly through unfocused violence. Unless this is also another display of the famed British dislike of being blunt and direct like Europeans and preferring beating round the bush?

I agree and I said the exact same thing in a response to Justwise yesterday.

I'm completely against any form of violence or hate, regardless of who it's from or targeted to. I also abhor vandalism and looting.

The criminals are already being dealt with and rightly so.

However even the the Home Sec has called for peaceful protests and dialogue to address underlying issues, instead of the violent protests.

So I'm not sure why just the mention of issues that the country is facing is being met with such ire - or people on this thread believe that the only problems in the UK are workshy, benefit scrounging Brits?

Zahra29:


Yes we do, or else the same riots/ protests will keep happening up whether in Harehills or Rotherham or elsewhere.

The criminals will receive swift and steep punishments and penalties - it's already happening. It doesn't stop the deeper societal issues from being looked into after the dust has settled. Most people can walk and chew gum at the same time you know.

Anyways these discussions are already being had behind closed doors regardless of your views - watch out for new policy announcements in the coming months.

Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

What did I do to deserve fearing for my life in my own country kwa? All plans for summer cancelled? Fear on my way to work? Contingency mapping routes of escape?Did I approve the billions wasted on Rwanda and housing asylum seekers? What is my part in this?

If I say that I ve filed your opinion in a bin now,people ll say I m rude.

Saccharine:
Illegal immigrants have really suffered O, they're blamed for everything including lack of GP
appointments.

I remember circa last year when some on this thread were bashing illegal immigrants; making distinctions between their legal status and those crossing by boat; claiming that illegal immigrants were the problem and not legal migrants who had paid into the system; and by the way why couldn't they just stay in France? I remember I even played devil's advocate saying that many want to come to the UK as they have family here and also the English language factor.

Fast forward and now apparently nobody is an illegal immigrant; all immigrants are the same regardless of whether they arrive via Heathrow or via Dover dinghy; £8m a day on hotels is not an issue whatsoever.

Hilarious stuff.

missjekyll:


Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

What did I do to deserve fearing for my life in my own country kwa? All plans for summer cancelled? Fear on my way to work? Contingency mapping routes of escape?Did I approve the billions wasted on Rwanda and housing asylum seekers? What is my part in this?

If I say that I ve filed your opinion in a bin now,people ll say I m rude.

You often are.

I have no idea what you're going on about tbh.

As I've already advised, if you don't think boat crossings should be stopped or criminalised, you should campaign to Labour HQ to CHANGE the law. Because so far that's not been included by Labour in the change that was voted for.

Lest we forget the tragic incident that precipitated the riots in the first place - 3 innocent little girls senselessly murdered and their loved ones left grieving.

Tonight it was announced that the remaining children have all been discharged from hospital. Great news.

Zahra29:


You often are.

I have no idea what you're going on about tbh.

As I've already advised, if you don't think boat crossings should be stopped or criminalised, you should campaign to Labour HQ to CHANGE the law. Because so far that's not been included by Labour in the change that was voted for.

Oh Good. And I ll be even more rude to you if you try to both-sides these bigoted criminals. On this thread of all places. With people reporting that they are literally indoors with their kids out of fear.

"Legitimate issues" my foot.

missjekyll:


Oh Good. And I ll be even more rude to you if you try to both-sides these bigoted criminals. On this thread of all places. With people reporting that they are literally indoors with their kids out of fear.

"Legitimate issues" my foot.

As long as you don't "throw hands" on me. I don't support or engage in violence thank you, whether it's from a far right criminal or a woman who should know and behave better.

I don't even think (in fact I'm quite certain) you dont read my comments, otherwise you would be unable to make false allegations about me supporting the far right criminals. But that's you - quite very unreasonable.

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justwise:


Can you provide any official source to support that claim?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66855830.amp

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/150-asylum-hotels-returned-to-communities

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/19/cost-housing-asylum-seekers-hotels-rise-home-office

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/19/home-office-spend-8-million-a-day-housing-migrants-hotels/

Do you need more sources??

Goodenoch:


Who; specifically, are these illegal migrants and under what law are they illegal?

Sorry. There are no illegal immigrants. When Sir Keir Starmer talks about Smashing the gangs, he actually meant the gangs of Border force personnel who stamp the entry visas for folks coming off the boats.

missjekyll:

what crime asylum seekers are guilty of and why they haven't been arrested.


TIP: They are NOT guilty of any crime. You are allowed to come here to claim asylum by any means possible.

Why then is the PM always on about ‘smashing the gangs’?
According to MissJekyll, “you are allowed to come here to claim asylum BY ANY MEANS. Why then is the current government insisting they want to prosecute 1 of those ‘any means’ by “smashing the gangs”? Or is it only missjekyll that understands that law?

If truly the law says they people can arrive the UK by any means to claim asylum, that means it’s a misplacement of priority to want to ‘smash the gangs’.

Our country welcomes asylum seekers, even if the are ex PMs of other countries.

LionInZion:
The irresponsible rioters have unequivocally demonstrated both in words and actions that this is white skins vs people of colour. They care less whether you were born here or through what means you entered, you're a target as long as you don't share the same skin colour. Yet some people on this thread are trying hard to make us think otherwise. Why am I even surprised?

I just hope everyone is staying safe and watchful.

While that is true, how come none of these Labour Party supporters, aka lovey-dovey people, mention the heinous crimes perpetrated which have been going on for a long time? Why is it that criminals are never condemned because of their skin colour and never apprehended because of the God they worship?

Is it a bad thing to acknowledge that crime is bad and criminals should be dealt with regardless of who they are and what they look like? In which community anywhere in the world would three girls be stabbed alongside other devilish acts without the natives complaining?

See another brother in lovey-doveness who gave citizenship status to a known terrorist. Should the natives vote for a party that promises to clamp down on lax border security and lax law enforcement, should they be called racists?

In summary, my point is simple: if law-abiding first and second-generation immigrants cannot pressure the party and politicians they support to be hard on crime and lax border security, don't be angry when the natives vote for politicians and parties who promise to enforce them.

https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1820916041255383459?t=Hs5DSN7z9leqPF4XTQDqXw&s=19