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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 2:37pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


This black man was at the convention

The time I knew that most of what the right wingers believed was not coming from a place of love. I had to take a deep look at myself and wonder why I was so full of hate.
Honestly, I'm not insulting you when I ask you to go take a mental health check. I know because what you believe stems from a personality type of you. You look like someone locked in a cocoon, can't move much and can't.mix with races to understand how varied people live their life.
So you are one asylum seeker incels, shut yourself off from the world, and wouldn't even try to understand the trash he's posting online.

I used to believe idiocy like this until I met Michelle up close and sat through an hour of her presentation. Even when I was with an NGO I still believed foolish stuff like that. It was a shameful moment for me.

Try and maybe change your environment, mix out with people and try to debunk all the nonsense you believe till now.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 2:40pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


This black man was at the convention

As a black man with a black daughter. This should cross every line.

But since it didn't-
You posted a pic of your daughter here. Obviously, she won't be winning any beauty contests.
You should pray that people are kinder to her than you are to other people.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 2:42pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


This is black and white. You pushed a study you didn't read that didn't say what you thought it did.
The study evaluated whether the government interventions to promote mask wearing worked in reducing Covid-19. And even in that the study was inconclusive as they couldn't tell if people actually wore the masks.
It did not study whether masks works. Whether mask work to prevent Covid-19 is a matter of science, fluid dynamics. And there are myriads of studies showing masks largely do filter our Covid-19 particles (n95 masks filter out 98% of Covid-19 particle).
Here's one:
https://sph.umd.edu/news/study-shows-n95-masks-near-perfect-blocking-escape-airborne-covid-19#:~:text=%E2%80%93%20In%20a%20head%2Dto%2D,from%20escaping%20into%20the%20air.

And the study didn't change. The data was the same. But you wouldn't know as you didn't read it and even if you did, as I said you wouldn't understand it.
You are the Avatar for "a little information is a dangerous thing"


Here's a recap:

Bemeruca: Masks don't work. This study says so. <<Posts section from study he didn't read and doesn't understand>>
IjeBos: Masks do work. You don't understand the study you posted. It didn't study whether masks work. <<posts article describing study>>
Bemeruca: I've read it, you don't understand it, but I do. <<posts something that doesn't say what he thinks it does>
IjeBos: Here is a press release from the study publisher saying "Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation. ". seemingly talking about you.
Bemeruca: I misinterpreted the findings paragraph of the study I said I read. It's the studies fault that I misinterpreted it. lol.
Also Bemeruca: The study I myself posted was designed to fool people like me. It is a conspiracy to fool dullards who don't really understand what they are reading and post it anyhow. It's fake news.

Would be a bad dialogue if it weren't true.

CNN, the New York Times, and all the people they claimed misinterpreted it did not read it 😂😂😂
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 2:49pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


CNN, the New York Times, and all the people they claimed misinterpreted it did not read it 😂😂😂

You live this life that everyone is as stupid as you. We aren't.
The only ones who misinterpreted it are the ones(generally far right trolls with an agenda) who didn't read the study. As the study is clear.
Here is NY times article on it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html

Put the shovel down, you've dug a big enough hole.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 2:52pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


You live this life that everyone is as stupid as you. We aren't.
The only ones who misinterpreted it are the ones(generally far right trolls with an agenda) who didn't read the study. As the study is clear.
Here is NY times article on it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html

Put the shovel down, you've dug a big enough hole.

Sorry, I will take cochrane findings. It is why I keep asking you why Africa was not hit hard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Xn7SeaUVI
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 3:00pm On Aug 20
Now take a look at this and try to understand this. It's batshit insane. These are the lunatics influencing basilico loco.

This is illiterate insanity.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 3:08pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


Sorry, I will take cochrane findings. It is why I keep asking you why Africa was not hit hard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Xn7SeaUVI

Yes, let's take the Cochrane study.
What is hilarious is that Chocrane says people are misinterpreting their study and low and behold you post a link with someone misinterpreting their study with an inaccurate and misleading take.
You clearly have 0 idea what you are talking about vis a vis this study.
You are a 1st class Mor-on. Never thought people as dumb as you exist.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 3:16pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


Yes, let's take the Cochrane study.
What is hilarious is that Chocrane says people are misinterpreting their study and low and behold you post a link with someone misinterpreting their study with an inaccurate and misleading take.
You clearly have 0 idea what you are talking about vis a vis this study.
You are a 1st class Mor-on. Never thought people as dumb as you exist.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review

This you posted is not the study, this is them coming out later to say, we did not mean what we say on our report. It is your fault for quoting us verbatim that mask efficacy is inconclusive.

They were clear, they told us the result of their findings. Coming out later to walk that back will only tell you what is wrong with modern day studies.

If they are not passing the "MESSAGE" for "MODERN AUDIENCE" then they should not pass it.

I am not stupid.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 3:28pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


This you posted is not the study, this is them coming out later to say, we did not mean what we say on our report. It is your fault for quoting us verbatim that mask efficacy is inconclusive.

They were clear, they told us the result of their findings. Coming out later to walk that back will only tell you what is wrong with modern day studies.

If they are not passing the "MESSAGE" for "MODERN AUDIENCE" then they should not pass it.

I am not stupid.

You are the product of a failed education.

June 2024 update: Following engagement with the authors, the decision has been made that changes to the plain language summary and abstract would not impact the scientific integrity of the content and so Cochrane is no longer seeking updates to the plain language summary and abstract of this version of the review. Full details are available in a comment from the Editors of the Cochrane Library on the Cochrane review.

The only people who possibly got confused are people who read the summary and abstract only and not the full study itself. Or idiots like yourself.
So, clearly, you didn't read the full study, nor did the people who told you it was a study on whether masks work.
Keep digging, the stupider you sound.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 3:55pm On Aug 20
New Kamala Freedom Ad
Pretty Dope.

https://x.com/i/status/1825709213252739297

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 4:03pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


You are the product of a failed education.



The only people who possibly got confused are people who read the summary and abstract only and not the full study itself. Or idiots like yourself.
So, clearly, you didn't read the full study, nor did the people who told you it was a study on whether masks work.
Keep digging, the stupider you sound.

2024 update my ass. This is what the author has to say. You are a simpleton


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3HtVZuk5lM
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ObaIgwe1: 4:39pm On Aug 20
Looking forward to Anna Navarro a Longtime Republican, hosting night two of the DNC




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etlDuPiUnOM

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 4:40pm On Aug 20
Obrigardo:


History will be so kind to President Biden. I love that man 😭❤️

Same here. I love Joseph Robinette Biden Jnr, there is something genuine about him.

I am going to miss him.🥹❤️

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 4:41pm On Aug 20
Obrigardo:
Hey guys we will have another Madame President after Kamala and here she is. I've always known this lady will be the first Hispanic president one day.
If she doesn't denounce leftism. No thank you.
I am glad Jasmine Crockett never joined the squad that one will be a fine presidential material.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 4:44pm On Aug 20
Obrigardo:
Jamie Raskin is a class act.
What a zinger 😅😂😂
One of my best speeches last night he came for the jugular.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 4:44pm On Aug 20
Obrigardo:
This woman deserves her flowers.
She made it all possible.
The first woman to do it.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 4:46pm On Aug 20
happney65:
We Love Joe
Nancy Pelosi holding that sign"we love Joe" after undermining his candidacy publicly annoyed me.

She knows what she is doing. The camera was on her I laughed when I first saw it

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 4:50pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


2024 update my ass. This is what the author has to say. You are a simpleton


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3HtVZuk5lM

So, we've come full circle.
You are now arguing the plain text of the study and the comments of Cochrane the publishers of the study.
You are arguing that instead of reading the actual study, a clip is more representative of the study?
It's not surprising you haven't posted 1 thing from the Study itself that says Masks don't work.
The good thing about these studies is that everyone can read them and the results of the data.
Again, the study was on interventions to promote mask wearing not on whether masks work against covid. That's a fact.
If you read the study you would know that.

Again, you're an example of the failure of education and critical thinking. You seek out sources and believe things which align with what you want to believe or your biases. Coupled with you not being that bright, means you always get fooled and always post uncorroborated bullshit you find on TikTok.

What is the tally of how many times I've made you the fool. It has to be at least 30 times now.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 5:12pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


So, we've come full circle.
You are now arguing the plain text of the study and the comments of Cochrane the publishers of the study.
You are arguing that instead of reading the actual study, a clip is more representative of the study?
It's not surprising you haven't posted 1 thing from the Study itself that says Masks don't work.
The good thing about these studies is that everyone can read them and the results of the data.
Again, the study was on interventions to promote mask wearing not on whether masks work against covid. That's a fact.
If you read the study you would know that.

Again, you're an example of the failure of education and critical thinking. You seek out sources and believe things which align with what you want to believe or your biases. Coupled with you not being that bright, means you always get fooled and always post uncorroborated bullshit you find on TikTok.

What is the tally of how many times I've made you the fool. It has to be at least 30 times now.

Lmao, you should read it. My original post about this was clear. "it is not clear mask worked" fauci flipflop about mask, the author or the cochrane report says it is not clear mask worked. He went further to say people like you have politicized the issue instead of follow the science.

You can act like you know from now till eternity, it will change the fact you are easily fooled. To you it is always them vs us... The US here is whatever the leftwing narrative is. This is why people doing science keeps apologising and changing their findings to suit the message for the modern audience

It is not just a clip, it is an interview of the author of what you are asking me to read

I have posted several stuff from the study, you can lie as you want but the fact is there in the study, the last clip is the author saying the apology you are posting here is political and not science.

Keep educating yourself. You are easily fooled by liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33UqFsUvAM
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 5:43pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


Lmao, you should read it.

I have read it, well speed read most of it. Have you? Clearly not.
Lol.
Information in the hands of stupid people is a dangerous thing. You're the type of person the advent of the internet was dangerous for.
You're really too stupid to understand what you read so you have to filter it through other people. Other people who have their own agenda.
And in the process you get fooled over and over.

The study was on promoting physical interventions for Covd-19.
So they studied whether promoting stuff like masking or hand washing worked.
Now get that through your thick skull. It wasn't a study on if Masks work to prevent covid, it was a study on if promoting mask wearing is effective in preventing Covid Spread in the 'community'.
And what a shocker. If people aren't wearing masks and not washing hands, especially if people are telling them masks don't work, they won't be very effective in preventing the spread of Covid in the 'community'.

I know it's too complex to understand for someone obviously stupid like you.

Here are 2 studies the authors (and there was more than 1) examined in reaching the conclusion on this study. 2 on Masks, 1 on Hand hygiene.

Anyhow, I'm arguing with a Mor-on who likes to lie. And since I think there's enough info here for any reasonable person who wants it, this has exceed it's value.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 6:16pm On Aug 20
Ladyhippolyta88:

Nancy Pelosi holding that sign"we love Joe" after undermining his candidacy publicly annoyed me.

She knows what she is doing. The camera was on her I laughed when I first saw it

I think old people look out for each other.
The daybreak after the debate was not good.
He stepped aside and garnered respect.

Unlike some who refused to leave the
stage when the ovations are loudest.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 6:29pm On Aug 20
armyofone:


I think old people look out for each other.
The daybreak after the debate was not good.
He stepped aside and garnered respect.

Unlike some who refused to leave the
stage when the ovations are loudest.



I agree my problem with her is the continuous public statements undermining him as well as the utter disrespect from elected Democrats publicly calling for him to step aside as well as the leaks. That was nonsense.
I am just glad that Kamala was not pushed out.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 7:03pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


This you posted is not the study, this is them coming out later to say, we did not mean what we say on our report. It is your fault for quoting us verbatim that mask efficacy is inconclusive.

They were clear, they told us the result of their findings. Coming out later to walk that back will only tell you what is wrong with modern day studies.

If they are not passing the "MESSAGE" for "MODERN AUDIENCE" then they should not pass it.

I am not stupid.

Is our resident idiot insisting that masks help in preventing COVID? Or social distancing?
Like these ones?

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 7:05pm On Aug 20
Insane and illegal if true.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ObaIgwe1: 7:06pm On Aug 20
Ladyhippolyta88:

I agree my problem with her is the continuous public statements undermining him as well as the utter disrespect from elected Democrats publicly calling for him to step aside as well as the leaks. That was nonsense.
I am just glad that Kamala was not pushed out.

In fairness to her, Nancy did say every conversation she had with Joe was from the place of love for him, his legacy and the good of the party. Yes it might not be the truth Joe wanna hear, and Joe at this point might still see is as an act of betrayal instead of an act of tough love. One thing I know for sure is that when all the dusts are settled, we will still appreciate Nancy for her courage.

I will always appreciate a friend who look into my eyes and tell me the truth i don't like to hear than a friend who massages my ego with lies. Instead of everyone grumbling and murmuring underneath, Nancy did well telling Joe the hard truth of what is going on and she has been proven right so far.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 7:10pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:
Insane and illegal if true.


John Kerry was meeting with Iranians in Paris at the same time Trump was moving from the Iran Jpo something deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/politics/john-kerry-iran-deal/index.html

Washington
CNN

Former Secretary of State John Kerry has been engaging in shadow diplomacy to try to preserve the Iran nuclear deal, a major diplomatic achievement of his, according to a new report.

Over recent months, Kerry has been holding meetings and speaking with big players in the Iran nuclear agreement, who, like Kerry, do not want President Donald Trump to withdraw the US from the deal, The Boston Globe reported.

Biden is pushing Israel to leave the Hamas terrorists alone so that his foreign policy looks good. His aim is not peace but to appease the genocidal Hamas.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:16pm On Aug 20
basilico:


Is our resident idiot insisting that masks help in preventing COVID? Or social distancing?
Like these ones?

The idiot says it is not a study of mask but a study of the promotion of mask. I don't know what point he is trying to convey but it sounds desperate
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 7:19pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


The idiot says it is not a study of mask but a study of the promotion of mask. I don't know what point he is trying to convey but it sounds desperate

The lefties fact checkers tried to downplay the study. In unison. He gets his sources from the evil media , let's understand him . He is a lost cause whom everyone here apart from Obrigardo derides every now and then.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:23pm On Aug 20
IjeBos:


I have read it, well speed read most of it. Have you? Clearly not.
Lol.
Information in the hands of stupid people is a dangerous thing. You're the type of person the advent of the internet was dangerous for.
You're really too stupid to understand what you read so you have to filter it through other people. Other people who have their own agenda.
And in the process you get fooled over and over.

The study was on promoting physical interventions for Covd-19.
So they studied whether promoting stuff like masking or hand washing worked.
Now get that through your thick skull. It wasn't a study on if Masks work to prevent covid, it was a study on if promoting mask wearing is effective in preventing Covid Spread in the 'community'.
And what a shocker. If people aren't wearing masks and not washing hands, especially if people are telling them masks don't work, they won't be very effective in preventing the spread of Covid in the 'community'.

I know it's too complex to understand for someone obviously stupid like you.

Here are 2 studies the authors (and there was more than 1) examined in reaching the conclusion on this study. 2 on Masks, 1 on Hand hygiene.

Anyhow, I'm arguing with a Mor-on who likes to lie. And since I think there's enough info here for any reasonable person who wants it, this has exceed it's value.

Result from the abstract:
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence). N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks We pooled trials comparing N95/P2 respirators with medical/surgical masks (four in healthcare settings and one in a household setting). We are very uncertain on the effects of N95/P2 respirators compared with medical/surgical masks on the outcome of clinical respiratory illness (RR 0.70, 95% CI 0.45 to 1.10; 3 trials, 7779 participants; very low-certainty evidence).

His conclusion
Authors' conclusions: The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children. There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by bemeruca: 7:29pm On Aug 20
basilico:


The lefties fact checkers tried to downplay the study. In unison. He gets his sources from the evil media , let's understand him . He is a lost cause whom everyone here apart from Obrigardo derides every now and then.

He is a tool. A couple of the clips I posted is the author saying they are politicizing mask that studies from 2006 are inconclusive.

The author had something to say about the chief editor going about apologizing. Something IjeBos is referencing here as proof. They don't know if mask works and I stand by that.

I keep asking him how come Africa with less mask did not see the worse of covid.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 7:46pm On Aug 20
He doubled down. Sick bastard.

Kentucky’s Democrat Gov. Andy Beshear apparently wishes a relative in Sen. JD Vance’s (R-OH) family would get pregnant through rape so the Republican vice-presidential candidate would have to experience it.

While speaking with MSNBC during the Democratic National Convention (DNC) on Tuesday, Beshear responded to a statement from host Mika Brzezinski about how people are “seeing the ramifications of the overturning of Roe.”
I mean, think about what some people have had to go through because of these laws. JD Vance calls pregnancy resulting from rape ‘inconvenient.’ Inconvenience is traffic. Make him go through this,” he said.

Beshear’s comments drew swift


These sick fvks push for abortion so they can freely rape and traffic young girls
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 8:11pm On Aug 20
bemeruca:


Result from the abstract:


His conclusion
Authors' conclusions: The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children. There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection

Congrats, you can copy and paste from the abstract and conclusion. Clap for yourself.
But did you read and understand what you copied and pasted? Clearly not, because it contradicts the point you are trying to make.
So, it's clear you still haven't read the study.
You should stop and leave the science/data to people smarter than you.

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