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Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:15pm On Aug 28 |
Emusan: Jesus was talking about how his father did so many things through him. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 5:16pm On Aug 28 |
Sand2022: Eph 4:6 is my proof. " Father of ALL" Uncreated, Nobody's Son. But Jesus is a Son like everyone else, he is called our Brother. We are all created |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Sand2022: 5:18pm On Aug 28 |
There is of course another option that can be explored even if we exclude the issue of creation about Jesus. As to the fact that he is not created, that is not negotiable. The scripture can't be understood underwise. The Son is not said to be created, but Begotten. Man begets man. So God beget Jesus, who is of His nature. Now God doesn't give birth nor get pregnant. And the Sons begetal is from eternity. Prov 8. Many have got different theories about this. However, some early church fathers have theorized that Jesus was generated from the father through an eternal generation. You will have to notice that they will always add the word "eternal" to the generation. Why? Because there is no other way to say it without seeing some aspect of scriptures fight against you. Some say the Father divided himself through His Word (Logos). I don't even understand that concept. My own assumption is that the Father divided himself and called the other Facsimile Son. Perhaps since He initiated the splitting, it explains why He often receives praise most of the times for something done, while the Son shares in it. It may also explain why He took the function of Father and gave the Son to His facsimile. (I will explain the scriptural proof of this Facsimile word choice in my next article) Perhaps that is why He occupies the role of Head and His Son that of submission. Others like Prof Wayne Grudem, and Wares have stated that God has always existed that way with these functions in place from eternity. All these are suppositions, the bible didn't go into such details. What we can be sure is that the Son has been there from eternity past. He was not created. 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 5:22pm On Aug 28 |
MaxInDHouse: First of all, you couldn't provided Nebuchadnezzar equivalent of Yahweh God. Secondly, Prov 8:22-30 shows that the SPEAKER was not the one ACTIVELY CARRYING OUT THE CREATION WORKS Lastly, God can never lie that He CREATED ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF and ALONE and and at the same time Jesus if He was CREATED CAN'T BE USED ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE. So, Jesus must be THE CREATOR which is what the scripture actually says. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 5:23pm On Aug 28 |
Emusan: πππ Every Human called Father, was once a Son, true or false ? But the heavenly Father, show me where he was ever called " Son" !!! |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 5:26pm On Aug 28 |
Sand2022: Everybody called " Son " has a beginning. Son proceed from a Father. Jesus is created. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 5:29pm On Aug 28 |
Jozzy4: But HE BECAME FATHER which shows human TERMINOLOGY as CREATED. so, your argument holds no water. The fact is, the TERM SON was USED FOR JESUS ON EARTH which was the same TIME THE TERM FATHER came on board. 1 Like |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Sand2022: 5:30pm On Aug 28 |
Jozzy4: That is poor exegesis. Jesus can be called Father. Now why he is called eternal Father is debatable. But he is also mighty God, he didn't become mighty God when he came in earth. He has always been such. The scripture you quoted didn't say that God is a Father because he is uncreated. You assumed that Father of all means that. Someone might also say the same of Isaiah 9:6. Jesus once called his disciples little children. Jesus Christ is uncreated and in fact is worshipped. My next article will talk about worship, and subsequent one will go further to prove he is worshipped but at least we can agree that Jesus being praised as a creator at Heb 1:10 is of itself a worship. I wonder how one will worship a creature. I will rather say that God as the one who beget the Son and not the other way around, can take the title Father to Jesus. Is that the case? The scripture didn't say. But it is clear you cant prove it anywhere from the scriptures that the title Father means uncreated. So let's not wait our time on this. 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 5:34pm On Aug 28 |
Emusan:He became Father when he Created us ALL, including our Brother , Christ. We are all sons with a beginning |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Sand2022: 5:37pm On Aug 28 |
Jozzy4: I am not saying that you can't have your own opinion. At least you're convinced of that that is why you keep pressing it, but from my view, Fatherhood doesn't connote uncreated. It may to you, but we do have differing views at times. Its all fine and ok. I think I am ok with this fatherhood point for now. But I appreciate your bringing up your view. Don't be offended that I don't see it the same way. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 5:39pm On Aug 28 |
Sand2022: This is poor exegesis Jesus called Eternal Father doesn't mean he isn't created in fact let me shock you, Jesus have no SON. Father of all was never a Son. I repeat this again, Jesus is our Brother being a Created being like us. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 5:43pm On Aug 28 |
Jozzy4: No! He is Father of the believers. Gosh.... You don't even know the Fatherhood of God is for believers. Christ became your BROTHER because He came to provide Salvation to your dying soul and it's also for BELIEVERS. just give up, you already out of the track. 1 Like |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 5:45pm On Aug 28 |
Jozzy4: Just look at the lying liar mouth. But the same has been trying to spin it that Father means uncreated. Do you even know the meaning of ETERNAL? 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 5:52pm On Aug 28 |
MaxInDHouse: I'm glad you agreed that it was the Father who was actually DOING THE DO 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:03pm On Aug 28 |
Emusan: According to Jesus just as all servants of Jehovah always say, whatever we do according to His will we always say Jehovah did it. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 9:52am On Aug 29 |
Emusan: Provide a single place where the Father of Jesus was ever addressed as " Son of someone" . That's why Jesus said you have ONE FATHER , the heavenly one Every other Father that might exist are creatures that were once sons of someone . Sons of Jesus ? Doesn't exist. We are Jesus Brothers. Cos we are all created 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Jozzy4: 9:54am On Aug 29 |
Emusan: Son ,brother are all creatures from the ONE Father we all have. Nobody is ever addressed as Son of Jesus, because he is our brother right from the beginning of time. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:22am On Aug 29 |
Jozzy4: Hmmmmmmmmmm no wonder Jehovah has never addressed any human as His brother but Jesus said: βStop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my BROTHERS and say to them, βI am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.ββ John 20:17 Surely Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses {Revelations 1:5} so he is one of our fellow wordhipers of the same FATHER who is Jehovah our GOD! |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 2:12pm On Aug 29 |
Jozzy4: The fact is, the term FATHER was adopted at a POINT. So, your point using Jesus BEING Son is useless here. Nobody is ever addressed as Son of Jesus, because he is our brother right from the beginning of time. But Jesus is ETERNAL FATHER, when do you see a father who doesn't have son or daughter? 1 Like |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 2:15pm On Aug 29 |
Jozzy4: So Jesus being an ETERNAL Father is useless to you Every other Father that might exist are creatures that were once sons of someone . So why did Jesus was called ETERNAL FATHER? Can a person who doesn't have son or daughter be called FATHER not to add ETERNAL? 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 2:19pm On Aug 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Lying liar. Yahweh confirmed He alone and ALL BY HIMSELF Created everything. Prov 8:22-30 also attested to this as the ETERNAL wisdom of Yahweh was speaking. Only a twister of God's word will say otherwise. 1 Like |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by MightySparrow: 8:25am On Aug 30 |
Emusan: Don't mind the Governing Body followers and and their hypocrisy. Why should they add to the scriptures to give it a meaning, Is there not dishonesty? Elsewhere, God said Israel is my firstborn: does this mean Israel is the first nation to be created on earth? This is why Yorubas call them alakatakiti, the unreasonable, deluded ones. 3 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 3:02pm On Aug 30 |
Emusan: Oga, you no understand anything in Proverbs 8:22-30 , John 1:3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6. Abeg just allow your MUMU to rest. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 3:06pm On Aug 30 |
MightySparrow: Is Israel, Jehovah's creature? God said Israel is my firstborn meaning that Israel is God's creature alakatakiti Sparrow |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 3:18pm On Aug 30 |
Emusan: Emusan LYING miscreant posted this AI screenshot evidence. Emusan posted A.I screenshot evidence "Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation " Genesis 49:3 Reuben, you are my first-born; My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power".
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Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 3:56pm On Aug 30 |
Janosky: When I posted that screenshot, I still take my time to educate you because I know you find it hard to comprehend and still you still couldn't comprehend till now. You're not JaNosense for a reason 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 3:58pm On Aug 30 |
Janosky: So explain to me, since you understand. While you allow your empty skull to continue to be empty. 2 Likes |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 4:09pm On Aug 30 |
Emusan: @ Colossians 1 :18 "he ( Jesus) became" , underline that word ,Greek lexicon 1096 BECAME..... Jesus BECAME preeminent because he was granted that privilege, John 17:7. No be him get am. Jesus received it. God his Father owns EVERYTHING, 1 Corinthians 3:23 .. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 4:12pm On Aug 30 |
Janosky: Still can't comprehend simple sentence O ma se oooo |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 4:17pm On Aug 30 |
Emusan: Emusan posted A.I screenshot evidence : "Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation " Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto. Oga ,come over here, be WAILING
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Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 4:49pm On Aug 30 |
Sand2022:Hebrew 11:17 King James Bible By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Oga Sand2022, Is Isaac the only begotten son of Abraham his Father? Jesus is a promised seed, likewise Isaac is a promised seed. Like wise, Jesus is a creature,the son of God his Father. Hebrew 11:17 = John 3:16. No be rocket science. |
Re: Part 2: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine by Emusan(m): 4:49pm On Aug 30 |
Janosky: Still struggling with what AI explain, how then will he understand what human explain? So empty up there 2 Likes |
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