You muddled up the whole mention as though I was the one who said everything you said, hence, I'm unable to properly mention you so that I can provide answers to every section of your response.
But actually, let me just puncture your ideology a bit.
I read where you said Adam and Eve didn't see because the eyes of their understanding was not enlightened. That's quite laughable because you blatantly contradict scripture.
We are currently in the state Adam fell into. We are not in the state he fell from. Do you know what a fall is? From a higher level to a lower level. All because of sin. Just think of it a bit. Adam fell from somewhere. He was higher than where he fell to. Or you don't believe that Adam fell as the Scriptures say?
The eyes of his understanding were actually enlightened at the beginning. They dimmed only because of the fall. We inherited that dimness. That's why in Ephesians 1:18, Paul prays that "the eyes of our understanding be enlightened." That's talking about the spiritual eye which we have but could no longer use. Adam was actually a spiritual being with functional spiritual eyes. He was in God's likeness. God is Spirit, His likeness is a spirit too.
The first thing the Holy Ghost does in us when we give our lives to Christ to REVIVE our dead spirit and reactivated our dead senses. We have dimmed spiritual eyes from our glorious nature from which we fell. It's there. It only needs enlightenment as you can see from Paul's prayers. Adam used it before the fall. He was no ordinary being.
My friend, the Glory of God lifted from man. Shame came in, and all manner of sicknesses, diseases and death. Adam was created naked but he had no need of clothes because the Glory of God was his natural clothing.
Moses experienced a bit of what Adam had when he spent time with God on Horeb. His face did shine. The Glory of God covered his face. Men with canal eyes could not even behold him. He had to wear a veil to cover the blinding glory of his face in order to be able to interact with fallen men. Moses only spent 40 days with God to achieve that. Compare that with Adam and Eve who had God visiting them face to face for regular heart to heart discussions in the cool of each day. We're talking about people who beheld God face to face on a daily basis and never died. Fallen man would die if he were to see God face to face as Adam and Eve did before the fall. Adam and Eve were not ordinary beings my brother!
Do you know that it isn't all angels that can see God face to face? Lol.
The Bible is deep but you seem to have concerned yourself only with surface knowledge; and argue based on that surface knowledge.
You are the stone-age KUKU! KUKU!! KUKU!! SCAMMER. It is fake stuff you like to hold on to. You have not read Bill Clinton's biography, a man you spent eight years in the White House with access to information you can never have access to, yet because you lack common sense you say what he said about the moon landing is misinformation. At the time of the fake moon landing Russia did not have the technology to detect if they actually landed a man on the moon, so that was why they went to the moon six times within three years like someone going on holiday. And when Russia had the technology to detect if they landed on the moon they stopped the moon landing.
Go and read about the Van Allen Belt, no human can survive going through the Van Allen Belt in all the rockets in the past, that was why the Russians abandoned the race to the moon and decided to build a space station instead which is orbiting below the Van Allen Belt see image, since the technology is not yet available to get people safely through the Van Allen Belt.
It is the Orion rocket NASA is testing now that is designed to take people safely pass the Van Allen Belt in the future. But for now no man has ever crossed the Van Allen Belt.
When you are ready to rid your brain of the stone-age garbage it's filled with then let me know so that I can help you train your brain to become functional and useful in this information age.
I told you to stick your conspiracy nutcase head out of YouTube. But I know I'm wasting my time. Anybody who, after reading the Bible, still believes that Christ was invented by Rome is irredeemable. And he's still clinging to Van Allen Belt that has been totally explained!
Read below carefully.
A moon landing HOAX is actually NOT possible To think of all the things necessary to pull off the hoax!
>>You have to fake all the precursor missions, going back to 1960. Did the Mercury and Gemini programs happen? If so, at what point did it switch to a hoax? The conspiracy theorists have no good answers.
>>You have to fake all the hardware: Saturn V rocket, Apollo capsule, flight computers, rocket engines, etc. Remember that literally tens of thousands of people, both at NASA and at contractors, worked on this.
>>You have to fake all the software. Same deal. Oh yeah, and fake all the flight plans. Do all the people at all levels know this is fake? If so, you have to keep tens of thousands of people perfectly silent. If not, you have to be really good at fooling some of the smartest people in the world.
>>You have to fake a series of test launches, and then the actual Apollo launches. Millions of people watched the rockets go up. What were they seeing?
>>You have to fake all the telemetry that the professionals and amateurs around the world were monitoring. In short, you have to build a huge Saturn V rocket and you really need to send it to the Moon!
>>You have to sneak the crew onto and off of the rocket, then sneak them to the landing site without anyone noticing, which is harder than it sounds.
>>You have to fake all the imagery. ALL of the imagery. Lunar landscape, shots at all kinds of different angles, the hammer & feather experiment, falling down in low-gravity, views of Earth from the Moon, all of it. As many people have pointed out, this job alone would have been far beyond the imaging technology of the 1960s.
>>You have to leave equipment on the Moon, like the retroreflectors that are still there. OK, so maybe NASA really did launch a Saturn V rocket and really did land on the Moon and really did leave equipment there, but just didn’t bring the astronauts. Sure. But now you need some kind of rover to deploy the hardware on the Moon…which means you need a whole other secret program to carry out the real, robotic Moon landing. Where did that happen? Who worked on it? How did the other stuff get on the rocket?
>>You have to fake the Moon rocks and other scientific readings from the lunar surface, like the ultraviolet galaxy images taken by Apollo 16. The Moon rocks don’t match any rocks on Earth, so that is going to be one hell of a tricky fabrication job. Send a robot to bring back real Moon samples? Maybe, but you need a giant robot to do the job. Oops, another secret program that nobody has ever seen or heard about.
>>You have to fake the Apollo 13 near-disaster. Why would you do such a thing?
>>You have to make sure that China, the USSR, and all of the other world’s countries keep the secret. Why would they do that, exactly?
>>You have to make sure that no hostile foreign intelligence agency is able to find out anything about the hoax in the subsequent 50 years.
>>You have to make the Apollo-Soyuz and Skylab missions exactly match up with the fake hardware used for the Apollo landings. Or are those missions fake too? No good answers from the hoaxers.
>>You have to fake the subsequent Soviet and Chinese robotic missions to the Moon to make sure that all of their images and samples match the fakes that NASA created. (Good luck with that one.)
>>You have to fake all the images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter so that they exactly match the Apollo landings. In other words, you now need to keep the entire space science community in on the hoax—with no leaks, ever!—for a half century and going.
At this point, the hoax seems to involve millions of people, most of the world’s governments, and a likely cost of trillions of dollars. Going to the Moon for real would be a whole lot easier!
You are a nut case believer of FAKE events and FAKE NEWS.
The most valuable technology NASA has to date is the one they used to send astronauts to the moon, but that's the only technology they have lost and for decades now they've been trying to build a new technology from scratch that will take astronauts to the moon. Even primary school kids in the developed countries know the moon landing was FAKED when they try teaching the fake landing to kids in primary school.
If they did truly send man to the moon in the sixties by now they would have built houses on the moon. But no they are still working on how to get back the the moon because they have lost the technology that took man to the moon in the sixties.
Since you can be promoting the scam that your god mated with Mary another man's wife to produce himself, then offered himself on the cross to himself as a sacrifice, that he resurrected and ascended into the skies saying he was coming back soon and has not come back soon for two thousand years, shows you are a big scammer using FAKE stories to deceive the gullible ones.
I told you to stick your conspiracy nutcase head out of YouTube. But I know I'm wasting my time. Anybody who, after reading the Bible, still believes that Christ was invented by Rome is irredeemable. And he's still clinging to Van Allen Belt that has been totally explained!
Read below carefully.
A moon landing HOAX is actually NOT possible To think of all the things necessary to pull of the hoax!
>>You have to fake all the precursor missions, going back to 1960. Did the Mercury and Gemini programs happen? If so, at what point did it switch to a hoax? The conspiracy theorists have no good answers.
>>You have to fake all the hardware: Saturn V rocket, Apollo capsule, flight computers, rocket engines, etc. Remember that literally tens of thousands of people, both at NASA and at contractors, worked on this.
>>You have to fake all the software. Same deal. Oh yeah, and fake all the flight plans. Do all the people at all levels know this is fake? If so, you have to keep tens of thousands of people perfectly silent. If not, you have to be really good at fooling some of the smartest people in the world.
>>You have to fake a series of test launches, and then the actual Apollo launches. Millions of people watched the rockets go up. What were they seeing?
>>You have to fake all the telemetry that the professionals and amateurs around the world were monitoring. In short, you have to build a huge Saturn V rocket and you really need to send it to the Moon!
>>You have to sneak the crew onto and off of the rocket, then sneak them to the landing site without anyone noticing, which is harder than it sounds.
>>You have to fake all the imagery. ALL of the imagery. Lunar landscape, shots at all kinds of different angles, the hammer & feather experiment, falling down in low-gravity, views of Earth from the Moon, all of it. As many people have pointed out, this job alone would have been far beyond the imaging technology of the 1960s.
>>You have to leave equipment on the Moon, like the retroreflectors that are still there. OK, so maybe NASA really did launch a Saturn V rocket and really did land on the Moon and really did leave equipment there, but just didn’t bring the astronauts. Sure. But now you need some kind of rover to deploy the hardware on the Moon…which means you need a whole other secret program to carry out the real, robotic Moon landing. Where did that happen? Who worked on it? How did the other stuff get on the rocket?
>>You have to fake the Moon rocks and other scientific readings from the lunar surface, like the ultraviolet galaxy images taken by Apollo 16. The Moon rocks don’t match any rocks on Earth, so that is going to be one hell of a tricky fabrication job. Send a robot to bring back real Moon samples? Maybe, but you need a giant robot to do the job. Oops, another secret program that nobody has ever seen or heard about.
>>You have to fake the Apollo 13 near-disaster. Why would you do such a thing?
>>You have to make sure that China, the USSR, and all of the other world’s countries keep the secret. Why would they do that, exactly?
>>You have to make sure that no hostile foreign intelligence agency is able to find out anything about the hoax in the subsequent 50 years.
>>You have to make the Apollo-Soyuz and Skylab missions exactly match up with the fake hardware used for the Apollo landings. Or are those missions fake too? No good answers from the hoaxers.
>>You have to fake the subsequent Soviet and Chinese robotic missions to the Moon to make sure that all of their images and samples match the fakes that NASA created. (Good luck with that one.)
>>You have to fake all the images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter so that they exactly match the Apollo landings. In other words, you now need to keep the entire space science community in on the hoax—with no leaks, ever!—for a half century and going.
At this point, the hoax seems to involve millions of people, most of the world’s governments, and a likely cost of trillions of dollars. Going to the Moon for real would be a whole lot easier!
You are a nut case believer of FAKE events and FAKE NEWS.
The most valuable technology NASA has to date is the one they used to send astronauts to the moon, but that's the only technology they have lost and for decades now they've been trying to build a new technology from scratch that will take astronauts to the moon. Even primary school kids in the developed countries know the moon landing was FAKED when they try teaching the fake landing to kids in primary school.
If they did truly send man to the moon in the sixties by now they would have built houses on the moon. But no they are still working on how to get back the the moon because they have lost the technology that took man to the moon in the sixties.
Since you can be promoting the scam that your god mated with Mary another man's wife to produce himself, then offered himself on the cross to himself as a sacrifice, that he resurrected and ascended into the skies saying he was coming back soon and has not come back soon for two thousand years, shows you are a big scammer using FAKE stories to deceive the gullible ones.
Have you ever wondered why moon-landing deniers are always conspiracy loonies like you, never a serious scientist?? (See below)
As for Christ, He is only one person in the God-head, and He was sent by the Father. So stop repeating your nonsense. Mary was not yet married to Joseph and stayed a virgin till she gave birth to Christ (nobody slept with her, as you stupidly keep repeating!)
I like what this astronaut said: “If people decide they’re going to deny the facts of history and the facts of science and technology,” he said, “there’s not much you can do with them. For most of them, I just feel sorry that we failed in their education.”
You are the stone-age KUKU! KUKU!! KUKU!! SCAMMER. It is fake stuff you like to hold on to. You have not read Bill Clinton's biography, a man you spent eight years in the White House with
You keep harping Bill Clinton. Same Clinton that celebrated the moon landing anniversary so immersively. Below is exactly what Clinton wrote, which of course YouTube manipulated. See him stating as a fact that the astronauts walked on the moon. That's why I keep telling you to stick your conspiracy nutcase loonie skull out of YouTube!
Former President Bill Clinton in his 2004 autobiography, My Life, states: "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon...The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."
You muddled up the whole mention as though I was the one who said everything you said, hence, I'm unable to properly mention you so that I can provide answers to every section of your response.
But actually, let me just puncture your ideology a bit.
I read where you said Adam and Eve didn't see because the eyes of their understanding was not enlightened. That's quite laughable because you blatantly contradict scripture.
[b] You don't know what are you saying. If truly they had enlightenment like you claim they would have been able to decipher/discern that the serpent was the devil but they didn't.The major issue with what they did can be compared to this analogy. Imagine having Einstein as your Home lesson teacher but instead of asking him as regards relativity or knowing fully well that during the course of his tutelage that he will sooner or later teach you not only relativity but also string theory but instead you decide to read up( luckily for them, not for Us there was a tree(book) so they ate(read) and knew relativity but they couldn't yet bear/understand the ethics that comes with such hence Einstein was angry! If you didn't grab the analogy the summary is that "Knowledge comes from God, being around God one will always get knowledge" that's why scriptures mentions of the fear of God and also he that seeks God shall gain all things. They were enticed by being like God and so they lost the way(his direction). It was a trade off between gaining physical enlightenment and losing divine inspiration. From this physical enlightenment we became self dependent and everything about this comes with trial and error we don't know what to do; we just try/experiment. From the perspective of the Holy one "Losing his leadership/guidance to gain wandering (self dependency)" is a huge loss. That's why Jesus exemplified the fall in the parable of the prodigal son.[/b]
We are currently in the state Adam fell into. We are not in the state he fell from. Do you know what a fall is? From a higher level to a lower level. All because of sin. Just think of it a bit. Adam fell from somewhere. He was higher than where he fell to. Or you don't believe that Adam fell as the Scriptures say?
The eyes of his understanding were actually enlightened at the beginning. And yet with his enlightened eyes he fell🤔 how is that for enlightenment? They dimmed
[b] You still don't understand scriptures. The leading of God is paramount. Whosever is led of God is called the son of God, and you can't be led if you don't obey which means submission or rather dependence on he that leads. And as result because God is light any one that follows the light source will always have rays to see. Man becoming dim is the absence of God. We lost this direction but instead gained our measly intellect. What is important to God is not the measly breadcrumbs that the children should eat but rather the whole cake. Hence we missed out on the God cake and received bread crumbs leading to men depending on visions of the nights, trances and guessing games to direct us.
One thing that has plagued man is choice. What to do? Where do I go? What is ahead of me? The fear of the unknown. so far our measly intellect have made little headway of coming up with safe plans/measures to help us make a decision. This resulted in a system that depends on probability and not on fact.
If we were led of God there would be no uncertainty we know that which we must do. It becomes smooth, no crooked curves, no quartic equations just simply linear.
[/b] only because of the fall. We inherited that dimness. That's why in Ephesians 1:18, Paul prays that "the eyes of our understanding be enlightened." That's talking about the spiritual
that's because man has grown to become too physically dependent some don't even believe God exists according to them it is just nature. From this perspective can you see why they need eyes enlightened. God told Peter how he will live the end of his days someone will lead him and though that God will glorify himself. SUMMARY: Salvation is Being led of GOD.
Whosoever God leads can never go astray-simple
[b] The fact that we were not under the guidance of God made us to be in darkness. An American can come and say Africa is regressed from his/her perspective because there are some things not experienced here that are available in his/her country.
Hence from the spiritual perspective seek first the Kingdom of God and even those physical things shall be added unto you.
The above is paraphrasing. Understanding is key
From your moniker I can assume you know about forex. do you rush to trade without getting a confluence of signals?
Are there not some people that don't bother analyzing the market but have bots trade on in stead? From their perspective do they go through the stress of analyzing, recognizing patterns and finally entry and stop loss positioning? Nope someone does it for them.
While you struggle to trade with 0.1 lot size they do it with 1 maybe more and their returns are massive.
Who is really suffering? From the physical perspective between the one that enters with a 0.1lot size enter trade with $10 that had to wait for almost 12hours just to see maybe a tangible gain $15 and someone with $10000 enters with a 1lot size takes profit in minutes.
Hence from a spiritual perpective this is how man's case is. You are not enjoying the luxury of heaven are you now? Wheresoever you are you don't have a crown of gold upon your head; everything you know is from what you read from the bible , you haven't seen it yourself , you don't even know where it is located. MindHacker can as well be right that the religion is a hoax but what makes us believe? Not because of the promise of 77virgins but rather of the nature of God. His undying love. Sitting and asking oneself vital questions you can come to a logical conclusion of the existence of God.
What then is your point? The core theme / plot is absence of God's leadership. our intellect gives us a false sense of safety. Dependence on oneself is not the right way that's why scriptures says that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Hence whosever that's not living under God's leadership is blind and dead. Through out history man has been experimenting trying this and that we keep records of things so that we can learn from the story and experiences of others and do so well to avoid or take the same steps. The bible records part of this ancient times saying "every man did according to what was right in his eyes".
That's why we have different sects some saying Abortion is good, LGBTQIA is good, gender is a spectrum etc we also have the far left and far right ideologies. No one objectively can say this is good; which is the burden of (knowledge of good and evil) but by using the written word of God we have a measure; something we can relate any new information to. Even on that self we still have conundrums and most do not agree on a general interpretation of key verses.
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eye which we have but could no longer use. Adam was actually a spiritual being with functional spiritual eyes. He was in God's likeness. God is Spirit, His likeness is a spirit too.
The first thing the Holy Ghost does in us when we give our lives to Christ to REVIVE our dead spirit and reactivated our dead senses. We have dimmed spiritual eyes from our glorious
You are so oblivious to so many things. Even the disciples of JESUS which were his companions didn't have their face shine, Elijah that went on the mountain didn't also have his face shine. The bible records and simply put they were naked and were not ashamed
How hard is that? Once again, Jesus while on earth didn't have his face shine but rather his robe on the mount of transfiguration.
nature from which we fell. It's there. It only needs enlightenment as you can see from Paul's prayers. Adam used it before the fall. He was no ordinary being.
My friend, the Glory of God lifted from man. Shame came in, and all manner of sicknesses, diseases and death. Adam was created naked but he had no need of clothes because the
when you were a child/ baby did you have need of cloth or rather were you ashamed of your unclothedness? Did you consciously care about it? NO, it was others around you that knew you were naked.
Stop with this misleading; learn to interpret scriptures correctly.
Glory of God was his natural clothing.
Moses experienced a bit of what Adam had when he spent time with God on Horeb. His face did shine. The Glory of God covered his face. Men with canal eyes could not even behold him. He had to wear a veil to cover the blinding glory of his face in order to be able to interact with fallen men. Moses only spent 40 days with God to achieve that. Compare that with Adam and Eve who had God visiting them face to face for regular heart to heart discussions in the cool of each day. We're talking about people who beheld God face to face on a daily basis and never died
This is a fallacy because I can conclude that because they are no more that they saw God and died(are dead). You don't generalize this kind of statement that can be easily defeated with a simple contradiction. Even the bible records of God looking down from the pillar of fire upon the Egyptians, troubling them and they died in the red sea. When you propose a theorem you ensure that there are no contradictions that's a sound and well thought theorem.
. Fallen man would die if he were to see God
This is also a fallacy how many of the resurrected men see God. In fact how many have even seen God? How many have heard from him? How many can recognize the sound of his voice? Many depend on trances, visions and revelations most of which from a scientific basepoint can be alluded to hallucinations they are not concrete; the self same effect can be reproduced through physical means and drugs. What's your point ? But we know that the revelations we have received is not the one of cocaine because we have tested the spirit behind it and truly it's of God even though it's not a physical nature but inclined towards a virtual setup but it's good
face to face as Adam and Eve did before the fall. Adam and Eve were not ordinary beings my brother!
Do you know that it isn't all angels that can see God face to face? Lol.
🤣🤣🤣🤣I laugh you in Spanish, let's do a though experiment in fact let's do a census we are going to compare the ratio of those that have seen God to those that haven't between Man and Angels. You don't need a soothsayer before you know the answer. From the population of the world how many have seen God? In the first place where is God? As confirmed by Job, the sons of God presents themselves to God? Have you ever presented yourself to God? Even some of your pastors have never seen God before even the Pope when he sees anything even an apparition of God is it physical? That's the first citizen in Christianity, the physical representative of Christ that sees things through trances, visions and dreams🤔 how is he any different from a drunk man? Ask yourself these questions and gain understanding
The Bible is deep but you seem to have concerned yourself only with surface knowledge; and argue based on that surface knowledge.
I seek complete understanding irrespective of personal dispositions. Like they say the truth doesn't care about your feelings. I seek to understand the mind and psychology of God to see things for what they are, from his perspective. I can see through your dissemination it is predominantly PRIDE and it's not of your working but the seeds that have been planted in you both by the present world at large and by people with little understanding.
I was exposed to different religions very early I chose Christianity after critically accessing the options available.
So I have read vast and far. I have read the supposed Bible, Quran, Holy Grail, the supposed 12books of Moses, the Catholic version of the bible, the book of Mormon, different theological manuals, wisdom books of Solomon, and every apocryphal book that is available along with this I familiar with every mythology of different nations, I knew the hadiths also. I wanted to know God but along the line I found out that was the wrong way. "It's all about the son", I was convinced after seeing what awaited me and since then I have not touched those books save my Bible.
If you could summarize the existence of man in two sentences what would it be?
What is the purpose of everything? Not just receiving and chunking out garbage. Learn to filter and see what is important. what is the core idea/message that is really passed. Every matter can be reduced into atoms, atoms likewise can be further divided. until later scientists uncover the smallest indivisible subatomic particle
This leaked CCTV on YouTube was what ended the SCAMDEMIC/PANDEMIC and the LOCKDOWN in Europe and the rest of the world. I bet you'll still say it's one of your nut case conspiracy theory.
These are the three ways in Judaism to acquired a wife: Mishnah Kiddush in 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways: through money, a contract, or sexual intercourse. Ordinarily, only one is necessary to effect a binding marriage.
From what Bill Clinton wrote it's clear he was making us aware that the moon landing never happened.
What's the next FAKE news/event you have from your stone-age mind like the invented Jesus christ you want to use to scam the gullible ones.
You keep harping Bill Clinton. Same Clinton that celebrated the moon landing anniversary so immersively. Below is exactly what Clinton wrote, which of course YouTube manipulated. See him stating as a fact that the astronauts walked on the moon. That's why I keep telling you to stick your conspiracy nutcase loonie skull out of YouTube!
Former President Bill Clinton in his 2004 autobiography, My Life, states: "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon...The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."
Have you ever wondered why moon-landing deniers are always conspiracy loonies like you, never a serious scientist?? (See below)
As for Christ, He is only one person in the God-head, and He was sent by the Father. So stop repeating your nonsense. Mary was not yet married to Joseph and stayed a virgin till she gave birth to Christ (nobody slept with her, as you stupidly keep repeating!)
I like what this astronaut said: “If people decide they’re going to deny the facts of history and the facts of science and technology,” he said, “there’s not much you can do with them. For most of them, I just feel sorry that we failed in their education.”
I seek complete understanding irrespective of personal dispositions. Like they say the truth doesn't care about your feelings. I seek to understand the mind and psychology of God to see things for what they are, from his perspective. I can see through your disseminations it is predominantly PRIDE and it's not of your working but the seeds that have been planted in you both by the present world at large and by people with little understanding.
You can't even see the childishness in your responses. The Bible clearly says Adam was not deceived. He knew what his was doing 1timoty 2:14.
You're actually the one who is proud because you want us to dwell on your inadequate knowledge of scripture and agree to your reasoning in spite of scriptural positions to the contrary.
Asking me how many people have seen God from the population of the works shows you don't even know what you're talking about.
We are talking about who man was before the fall. That question is absolutely invalid. We are talking about what we'll be in our future. Adam is our past Adam. The Lord Jesus is our second Adam that restores our former state to us in our future. Hence He's called the second Adam for a reason. The first Adam failed but the second Adam has succeeded.
Please go study the Bible for yourself. I find your arguments lacking in substance.
This leaked CCTV on YouTube was what ended the SCAMDEMIC/PANDEMIC and the LOCKDOWN in Europe and the rest of the world. I bet you'll still say it's one of your nut case conspiracy theory.
These are the three ways in Judaism to acquired a wife: Mishnah Kiddush in 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways: through money, a contract, or sexual intercourse. Ordinarily, only one is necessary to effect a binding marriage.
From what Bill Clinton wrote it's clear he was making us aware that the moon landing never happened.
What's the next FAKE news/event you have from your stone-age mind like the invented Jesus christ you want to use to scam the gullible ones.
Jesus was not invented. Learn to see the complete view of things before harping about.
Don't you know of various historical accounts that confirm the existence of Jesus?
Every Religion affirms the existence of Jesus. From Islam holding him in high regard as a prophet and a spirit from God.
Buddha acknowledging him as one of his reincarnations. If you negate Jesus you undo the whole belief system of major religions.
Before you jump have you ever considered why in every civilization there is always a story about a great Flood? from the ancient sumerians, Egyptians, Israelites etc all give account of a flood hence it's agreed upon even by scientist that indeed there was a flood at some point on the Earth that covered the surface of the Earth at least 42m high.
The general consensus Is that God sent someone; to some a mediator, to another a prophet, to another a reincarnation of God himself, to another a messenger etc.
One thing unified them, he is sent from God!!! Simple. how you perceive or rate what he did is up to you. Whether you rate him high or low doesn't take away from him but rather you are heaping stones on yourself and by whatsoever measure you give you will receive also! Fine if by chance it all turns out to be hoax, no God anywhere what do I have to lose? But you on the other hand? I can't say the same for you 🤕
You can't even see the childishness in your responses. The Bible clearly says Adam was not deceived. He knew what his was doing 1timoty 2:14.
You're actually the one who is proud because you want us to dwell on your inadequate knowledge of scripture and agree to your reasoning in spite of scriptural positions to the contrary.
Asking me how many people have seen God from the population of the works shows you don't even know what you're talking about.
We are talking about who man was before the fall. That question is absolutely invalid. We are talking about what we'll be in our future. So you are not now? Why do you shoot yourself in the leg? Scriptures says; put away old things, become a new creature , nailed with Christ with emphasis on attaining it now🤔. That's why we have look up to the throne of gRace, be ye follower of me as I am of Christ etc
Adam is our past Adam. The Lord Jesus is our second Adam that restores our former state to us in our future. Now it has turned future! Oh, in the future you will be a son of God, you are not now!!. How pathetic? How you scramble for an illogical defense?
Hence He's called the second Adam for a reason. The first Adam failed but the second Adam has succeeded.
Please go study the Bible for yourself. I find your arguments lacking in substance. Any logical person reading this exchange will know whose arguments are lacking in substance. Yours are perforated with holes when I bring them up, you regress. It shows you don't know the scriptures. You are just pouring out what they poured into it.
Everything you said cannot convince an intelligent person. It's just for the blind that accepts whatsoever is given to him/her without critical thoughts as to why? And to what end?
And yet you call me childish. What is it with man that they always go about in circles? You made a statement, I gave you a reply showing errors in your thought pattern then the next thing as a form of defense,(attack the character) call the person childish or perhaps wave(evade) the counter questions entirely🤣🤣. You said man saw God and did not die- Your statement not mine, I gave you a simple way a philosophical mind will see it. First question, Where are they now? - they are dead because they are dead that alone violates your statement hence your statement becomes "they saw God and later died". That's incoherence, it doesn't matter whether it's past or not. Your words not mine. The verse you quoted is just a very sublime and cheeky way of supporting the disposition of men in positions of power by making reference to the logic that both sinned but one was deceived. It's very simple: you go to buy something perhaps to convert money they give you cash then you gave me, I too due to my excitement decides to go spend the money without checking whether the money is fake or not. I end up being beaten as a result I tell them where you're they round us both up, I can plead to the judge that I wasn't deceived but rather I was complicit because I didn't vet it. Hence whether it was voluntary or not it's speculation but reason goes along the line that it was most likely voluntary but with the added "emphasis of be like God". She must have related everything she was told(by the serpent( to him) and he must have seen reasons as at that time why it was good to do so. Which buttresses my point if they could discern or were enlightened like you said they would have seen reasons not to.
And yet you call me childish. What is it with man that they always go about in circles? You made a statement, I gave you a reply showing errors in your thought pattern then the next thing as a form of defense,(attack the character) call the person childish or perhaps wave(evade) the counter questions entirely🤣🤣. You said man saw God and did not die- Your statement not mine, I gave you a simple way a philosophical mind will see it. First question, Where are they now? - they are dead because they are dead that alone violates your statement hence your statement becomes "they saw God and later died". That's incoherence, it doesn't matter whether it's past or not. Your words not mine. The verse you quoted is just a very sublime and cheeky way of supporting the disposition of men in positions of power by making reference to the logic that both sinned but one was deceived. It's very simple: you go to buy something perhaps to convert money they give you cash then you gave me, I too due to my excitement decides to go spend the money without checking whether the money is fake or not. I end up being beaten as a result I tell them where you're they round us both up, I can plead to the judge that I wasn't deceived but rather I was complicit because I didn't vet it. Hence whether it was voluntary or not it's speculation but reason goes along the line that it was most likely voluntary but with the added "emphasis of be like God". She must have related everything she was told(by the serpent( to him) and he must have seen reasons as at that time why it was good to do so. Which buttresses my point if they could discern or were enlightened like you said they would have seen reasons not to.
Once again you shot yourself in the leg!
My dear, I think you should go back to all our discussions. My emphasis have been on what God created man to be and not what man has become.
I don't want to be arguing unnecessarily since it seems you're not even getting the very essence of the discussion. I'll advise you to go through our discussions again from the beginning and read with an open mind. I am a very busy person and would not like to spend time discussing A with someone who is discussing B.
I don't even see any reason why anyone would be arguing with me just because I commented on an analogy to have been an excellent one.
You actually didn't show me any error. There was none. The way you jam my mentions with yours make it difficult to reply you. I scripturally explained deep things of the Spirit to you which you threw away. All your thoughts so far are that of the letters and not of the Spirit. They're that of someone who reads the Bible without revelation.
Look at your recent gaffe where you said Adam was not a super being, that's why he didn't know he was being deceived by Satan. I showed you the error through scriptures but all you do is to reply and boast and talk about me being proud for showing you what the scriptures say. Such insincerity in discussions isn't encouraging for anyone to keep engaging.
My emphasis has been on Adam and who he was at the beginning., yet you didn't see that. You're now telling me it's a new claim I'm making. How can I continue discussing with someone who doesn't even understand what we're discussing. You claim I shot myself in the foot. Which foot per say? And howl did I do the said shooting. That's a bland statement to make because there's no basis for that statement.
The original intention of God about man before man fell and what man was prior to the fall is what I'm talking to you about for heavens sake.
This leaked CCTV on YouTube was what ended the SCAMDEMIC/PANDEMIC and the LOCKDOWN in Europe and the rest of the world. I bet you'll still say it's one of your nut case conspiracy theory.
These are the three ways in Judaism to acquired a wife: Mishnah Kiddush in 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways: through money, a contract, or sexual intercourse. Ordinarily, only one is necessary to effect a binding marriage.
From what Bill Clinton wrote it's clear he was making us aware that the moon landing never happened.
What's the next FAKE news/event you have from your stone-age mind like the invented Jesus christ you want to use to scam the gullible ones.
I thought I was talking with a half-serious person. What has this ridiculous 4 year old video to do with ending anything?? Bill Clinton's comment OBVIOUSLY was about television NOT the moon-landing. He even started his story by stating the moon-landing as a FACT! Typical example of how YouTube manipulates things Beyond all these, anybody who reads the NT and still believes Rome invented THAT Christ is beyond help. So my friend I have to say, bye bye and good luck!
No writer that has written about the invented Jesus christ saw him or was born during his time.The first gospel was written about thirty years after Jesus christ ascended into the skies.
It's very easy for a ruler of a super power to invent a fake messiah like Jesus christ before YouTube or social media. Say it was Russia, Africans were shipped to during the slave trade, so what stops a Russian leader from starting a new religion by saying that the messiah of Africans appear to him with a sign and told him that he was born of an African virgin and an African God before the slave trade but because Africans did no believe him that was why the slave happened and Africa was colonised. And he orders all worship centres and schools to start worshiping the new African messiah as the son of the true messiah. This was what happened to the Jews in Rome where your Jesus christ was invented. This is the reason real Jews know your Jesus christ was invented by the Roman empire.
There is no mention of your invented Jesus christ in the Old Testament or the Torah, so you are the one heaping stones and rocks on your own head.
Jesus was not invented. Learn to see the complete view of things before harping about.
Don't you know of various historical accounts that confirm the existence of Jesus?
Every Religion affirms the existence of Jesus. From Islam holding him in high regard as a prophet and a spirit from God.
Buddha acknowledging him as one of his reincarnations. If you negate Jesus you undo the whole belief system of major religions.
Before you jump have you ever considered why in every civilization there is always a story about a great Flood? from the ancient sumerians, Egyptians, Israelites etc all give account of a flood hence it's agreed upon even by scientist that indeed there was a flood at some point on the Earth that covered the surface of the Earth at least 42m high.
The general consensus Is that God sent someone; to some a mediator, to another a prophet, to another a reincarnation of God himself, to another a messenger etc.
One thing unified them, he is sent from God!!! Simple. how you perceive or rate what he did is up to you. Whether you rate him high or low doesn't take away from him but rather you are heaping stones on yourself and by whatsoever measure you give you will receive also! Fine if by chance it all turns out to be hoax, no God anywhere what do I have to lose? But you on the other hand? I can't say the same for you 🤕
My dear, I think you should go back to all our discussions. My emphasis have been on what God created man to be and not what man has become.
I don't want to be arguing unnecessarily since it seems you're not even getting the very essence of the discussion. I'll advise you to go through our discussions again from the beginning and read with an open mind. I am a very busy person and would not like to spend time discussing A with someone who is discussing B.
I don't even see any reason why anyone would be arguing with me just because I commented on an analogy to have been an excellent one.
You actually didn't show me any error. There was none. The way you jam my mentions with yours make it difficult to reply you. I scripturally explained deep things of the Spirit to you which you threw away. All your thoughts so far are that of the letters and not of the Spirit. They're that of someone who reads the Bible without revelation.
Look at your recent gaffe where you said Adam was not a super being, that's why he didn't know he was being deceived by Satan. I showed you the error through scriptures but all you do is to reply and boast and talk about me being proud for showing you what the scriptures say. Such insincerity in discussions isn't encouraging for anyone to keep engaging.
My emphasis has been on Adam and who he was at the beginning., yet you didn't see that. You're now telling me it's a new claim I'm making. How can I continue discussing with someone who doesn't even understand what we're discussing. You claim I shot myself in the foot. Which foot per say? And howl did I do the said shooting. That's a bland statement to make because there's no basis for that statement.
The original intention of God about man before man fell and what man was prior to the fall is what I'm talking to you about for heavens sake.
First of all, I feel you don't even know what we are talking about. You said man was enlightened from the very beginning! A simple analogy shows your statement is a fallacy and it's in fact wrong. A smart child will ask you if he were enlightened how come did he fall? How come his enlightenment did not make him discern that the snake was beguiling him? Hence as a matter of fact at the beginning he was not enlightened. Secondly if he were enlightened why would he be tempted for another enlightenment in the form of knowledge of good and evil?
That above negates every statement you made. You don't know even know what you are saying. That's why I said your statement is misleading to the newborns (those with little comprehension of the word). I didn't throw away any deep thing of the spirit if infact you mentioned anything it was shallow and filled with lots of personal bias. You mentioned clothed with Glory I gave you a simple physical example; babies to which you have no reply to. Are they covered with Glory?
But yet you insist on this stupid gainsaying ideology of Pride trying to Lord over others. When the entire christian message is all about humility and servitude to God. You do the obvious reverse. Even when Jesus spoke of The Angels he said my Father's "mighty Angels" he didn't from his own mouth say he was greater than them which he was but in all things he exhibited humility. Leave the declaration to God and exaltation to God. He gave us a parable of the wedding where some men like you went to a wedding and took the choicest seat; what became of them? They were sent back. Yet you say I exhibit childishness you don't know the core theme of the scripture; the scripture is not here to serve as stepping stone for the Proud but to make him/her humble just like God. Even the bible says God resists the Pride! All the great men of God from Moses to Jesus what can you say of them they were meek/humble not proud personalities like you. You in person might not be proud but the gospel you preach appeal to the pride of men that's why some were promised paradise of women and drink because it appealed to their lustful desires. The bible is all about self denial if you can't get that then Christianity is not for you. You just handpick the verses that sooth you. David records and says a little lower has thou made him from Angels.
You said in your write up what we attain to be in the "FUTURE" which prompted me to give you that sarcastic question that ARE YOU NOT A SON NOW?
When your hands are caught you look for an excuse. You are not open minded at all you are stiff, I give analogies without holes, simple yet relatable analogies that would convince a little child. But yours, a simple contradiction and your arguments crumbles.
[b] You said man saw God and didn't die. Where are Adam and Eve? Are they alive now? A simple logical person will conclude that the biblical statement of 'No man can see God, an d any that sees God will "SURELY" die' hence your statement can be rephrased "they saw God and later died" very simple and logical which shows a flaw in your thought pattern It's not my fault that you didn't choose the right words or analogies. When next you converse choose a well thought analogy that your opponent can stomp with ease.
I could go on and on but time will not allow me.
All these bleaters that haven't achieved anything worth while in the presence of God many of whom Haven't even heard him speak. I doubt whether you have even heard from God.
And you compare yourself to an Angel because of lack of proper interpretation. When you don't understand that the biblical writer of hebrew made emphasis on the Lordship of the son the sum of the bible is who? JESUS
And to show your pride you say Angels are messengers, you have forgotten that you too have been sent to go forth into all nations and preach the gospel unto them. How's that for a messenger!!!
Your pastors which serve your stead are they not your ministers but are you greater than them? Can't wisdom not tell you that it is he that give that is greater not he that receives !!!
Just imagine me going to a far country and teaching them my ways can't wisdom not tell you that in my home country those there are doing my ways!!!
Even scriptures confirm it by saying Let your will be done on Earth as it is "Heaven".
can't Wisdom not also tell you that if I can travel over the long distance - as far as heaven is to the earth and teach men that whosoever that must be the greatest among them must serve the rest that this would have already been implemented in heaven?
At least the Bible says "Judgement will start from the Lord's house"
Where's the Lord? Heaven. Who are those there? Angels and other other beings when there was war; the devil was cast out(Judgement) and he was reduced to the least of all creation
Or did they tell you that the judgement that is to come is for those angels that stood by God which resisted the devil and threw him away from Heaven? Don't envy; they already have a crown for that
Now that Satan is come unto you, you too should do so well as to cast him out(resist him).
Once again: "Do not say you are better than an Olympic Gold medalist until you have won yourself some Gold"
Lucifyre: Maybe because YHVH was a psychopathic genocidal maniac that had to satisfy his thirst for blood one more time so he couldn't just forgive outright, he had to kill or 'sacrifice' himself to himself to appease himself for rules and circumstances orchestrated by himself. Funny thing is Jesus outrightly forgave people before his death but still had to die for everyone to be forgiven. Hmm! What a clusterfuck of absolute horse shit just like the torah as well.
The blood was required to redeem souls, for the redemption of lost souls.
Forgiveness of sins is one thing Punishment for sins is another, God is just as He is merciful and His word cannot be nullified, the soul that sins shall die, so death must be paid for the sins of a soul.
And when a person truly forgive you they clear your debts for you.
If I forgave you a debt and still asked you to pay, have I forgiven your debt?
No writer that has written about the invented Jesus christ saw him or was born during his time.The first gospel was written about thirty years after Jesus christ ascended into the skies.
It's very easy for a ruler of a super power to invent a fake messiah like Jesus
Maybe you have forgotten that the truth will surely prevail
christ before YouTube or social media. Say it was Russia, Africans were shipped to during the slave trade, so what stops a Russian leader from starting a new religion History will take note of it. The religion will be named after the Russian Czar and again if the Romans invented Christianity then why persecute them thoroughly!!!
by saying that the messiah of Africans appear to him with a sign and told him that he was born of an African virgin and an African God before the slave trade but because Africans did no believe him that was why the slave happened and Africa was colonised.
[b]The above is far fetched!!! logical personalities will not even believe in the Czar only gullible people will. First of all there must be a build up; a cause before an effect not the other way around. There would have been prophesies, indicators and confirmations that affirm what is being said.
What you are saying is very similar to Mohammed(attributing everything to God) which came and started to say that Abraham was a Muslim etc when the Jews asked pivotal questions which he couldn't provide an answer to, he turned back and started to attack them. He changed the Hajj from Jerusalem to Kabbar etc
For instance what you are saying is also similar to Trump going to Oyo Empire and start saying peculiar things about oduduwa. When you scrutinize it very well his statements will always fall. Except if U.S. invades Nigeria, burns the Oyo Empire, destroy iFa items but still not, the Earth it self will preserve/document these events. Irrespective of whatsoever is written in the history books the truth will surely prevail!!! [/b]
And he orders all worship centres and schools to start worshiping the new African messiah as the son of the true messiah. This was what happened to the Jews in Rome where your Jesus christ was invented. This is the reason real Jews know your Jesus christ was invented by the Roman empire.
There is no mention of your invented Jesus christ in the Old Testament or the Torah, so you are the one heaping stones and rocks on your own head.
What you wrote up there is folly! To what end? The bible made mention of a prophet that will sent to the world, lion out of the tribe of Judah. Moses said a Prophet like me him shall you obey! There were indications from the whole Torah, that's why Jesus said the entire scripture talks about him and he has come in the volume of the books written about him. There are historical markers(historians) that corroborate with the existence of Jesus.
You didn't read in depth when I asked you that if at all it turns out false I have nothing to lose but if truly he exists who loses more?
By what measure you mete it will be measured back unto you!!!
You need an African like OBASANJO pH.D to produce a Nigerian President like OBASANJO. OBJ HAS TRAINED OSINBAJO FOR THE JOB WITHOUT THEM KNOWING. PYO NOW NEEDS COURAGE, POWER AND MIGHT TO ACHIEVE THE TARGET.
The Jews know very well that your invented Jesus christ is not their Messiah God will send because the Jews know and understand the Old Testament or their Torah very well. Same way Christians are saying Mohammed is not a prophet from the God of their Jesus christ because the Christians know and understand their New Testament very well. 1. Muslims are saying Jews and Christians are not following the prophet of Allah who to them is the true God of Abraham. 2. Christians are saying Jews and Muslims are not following Jesus christ and the God of Jesus who to them is the true God of Abraham. 3. Jews are saying Christians and Muslims are not following their God who is the true God of Abraham. This is because Christianity and Islam came after and they were invented as political tools to control the people till today.
Stones and rocks have started to fall on your own head making you to expose yourself to be the one also using the moniker Gabrielshow24 and editing my post when you quoted it. Your stones with compound interest of rocks have been meted back to you the sender.
What you wrote up there is folly! To what end? The bible made mention of a prophet that will sent to the world, lion out of the tribe of Judah. Moses said a Prophet like me him shall you obey! There were indications from the whole Torah, that's why Jesus said the entire scripture talks about him and he has come in the volume of the books written about him. There are historical markers(historians) that corroborate with the existence of Jesus.
You didn't read in depth when I asked you that if at all it turns out false I have nothing to lose but if truly he exists who loses more?
By what measure you mete it will be measured back unto you!!!
First of all, I feel you don't even know what we are talking about. You said man was enlightened from the very beginning! A simple analogy shows your statement is a fallacy and it's in fact wrong. A smart child will ask you if he were enlightened how come did he fall? How come his enlightenment did not make him discern that the snake was beguiling him? Hence as a matter of fact at the beginning he was not enlightened. Secondly if he were enlightened why would he be tempted for another enlightenment in the form of knowledge of good and evil?
That above negates every statement you made. You don't know even know what you are saying. That's why I said your statement is misleading to the newborns (those with little comprehension of the word). I didn't throw away any deep thing of the spirit if infact you mentioned anything it was shallow and filled with lots of personal bias. You mentioned clothed with Glory I gave you a simple physical example; babies to which you have no reply to. Are they covered with Glory?
The errors in your thinking are in 3 sections below:
1. By what rule or law did you arrive at the conclusion that enlightened persons don't fall?
2. Who told you that Adam was tempted and did not know he was dealing with a deceiver?
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
3. Babies are fallen creatures too. They all have the fallen Adamic nature. A baby not knowing he's naked does not in anyway prove that Adam was in the same league with babies. They both didn't know they were naked for opposite reasons. A baby does not actually have any knowledge at all. Does not even know its own name. Adam wasn't like that.
But yet you insist on this stupid gainsaying ideology of Pride trying to Lord over others. When the entire christian message is all about humility and servitude to God. You do the obvious reverse. Even when Jesus spoke of The Angels he said my Father's "mighty Angels" he didn't from his own mouth say he was greater than them which he was but in all things he exhibited humility. Leave the declaration to God and exaltation to God. He gave us a parable of the wedding where some men like you went to a wedding and took the choicest seat; what became of them? They were sent back. Yet you say I exhibit childishness you don't know the core theme of the scripture; the scripture is not here to serve as stepping stone for the Proud but to make him/her humble just like God. Even the bible says God resists the Pride! All the great men of God from Moses to Jesus what can you say of them they were meek/humble not proud personalities like you. You in person might not be proud but the gospel you preach appeal to the pride of men that's why some were promised paradise of women and drink because it appealed to their lustful desires. The bible is all about self denial if you can't get that then Christianity is not for you. You just handpick the verses that sooth you. David records and says a little lower has thou made him from Angels.
From your above post,no one needs any further proof to know that you're the one who is proud and arrogant. You even termed me stupid. Lol.
Knowing who you are in Christ Jesus is not being proud. A prince who knows is a prince is not proud just because of that knowledge or because he tells people he's a prince. Lol. What you do with the knowledge is what determines pride. Have I boasted here on this forum? Have I referred to myself as someone more special than others? I have declared what the scriptures say a out new believers in Christ. How is that pride?
Let me give you more reasons to call me a proud man. I really need some good laugh. Look at what the scriptures say about those who believe:
Ephesians 2'6 "For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus."
Lol. Let me declare the Word of God to someone who doesn't know who we are in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:22- 23 "He put all things under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the church which is His Body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way"
Christ is Head over all things. The church is Christ's body. If the head is ruling over ALL THINGS, where's the Body too? If the Head is sitting on a throne, where's His Body? That's shallow too? Cab you tell me where Christ's Body sits when He sits on the throne ruling over all things? Are we not the Bride of Christ? Why are you so ignorant and obstinate at the same time?
May God give you understanding.
More Scriptures? Here you go:
Psalm 8:6 "You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet."
Romans 5:17 "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"
Want more Scriptures? Ask and it shall be given unto you.
The truth is that people like you who don't have s revelation of who you are in Christ Jesus are the ones who become pawns in the hands of Satan. It won't even surprise me if you do not know that Satan is put under your feet if indeed you are of Christ.
You said in your write up what we attain to be in the "FUTURE" which prompted me to give you that sarcastic question that ARE YOU NOT A SON NOW?
When your hands are caught you look for an excuse. You are not open minded at all you are stiff, I give analogies without holes, simple yet relatable analogies that would convince a little child. But yours, a simple contradiction and your arguments crumbles.
Which analogy did you give man? Could I even read anything you typed previously when you jammed everything together and I couldn't even differentiate what I wrote from you wrote.
I am a SON now still awaiting the restitution of all things in which my former place in God shall be fully restored. So, while in this body, I groan in earnest expectation of that which would be made manifest in me at His coming.
Romans 8:18 "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed in us."
"Christ in me the hope of Glory." - Colossians 1:27.
I don't know if you can understand this Scripture below. I don't have enough time for explanation but I'll accentuate some parts for your observation.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4
"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."
Again, may the Lord give you understanding.
[b] You said man saw God and didn't die. Where are Adam and Eve? Are they alive now? A simple logical person will conclude that the biblical statement of 'No man can see God, an d any that sees God will "SURELY" die' hence your statement can be rephrased "they saw God and later died" very simple and logical which shows a flaw in your thought pattern It's not my fault that you didn't choose the right words or analogies. When next you converse choose a well thought analogy that your opponent can stomp with ease.
I could go on and on but time will not allow me.
All these bleaters that haven't achieved anything worth while in the presence of God many of whom Haven't even heard him speak. I doubt whether you have even heard from God.
I.judt hope and not discussing with some kid behind these screens.
So, in essence, God wanted them to die, that's why He was visiting them, isn't it? Lolz. How ludicrous can it get?
Adam and Eve are clearly shown in Scripture to have invited death through sin and not because they saw God. Infact God stopped visiting them after they sinned.
And you compare yourself to an Angel because of lack of proper interpretation. When you don't understand that the biblical writer of hebrew made emphasis on the Lordship of the son the sum of the bible is who? JESUS.
And who's Jesus' Body? The Church. Who's His Bride? The Church. Who's seated with Him in heavenly places? The Church. Who body would be fashioned like unto Christ's Glorious Body? The Church. You want the scriptures for these too? Ask and it shall be given unto you.
And to show your pride you say Angels are messengers, you have forgotten that you too have been sent to go forth into all nations and preach the gospel unto them. How's that for a messenger!!!
Your pastors which serve your stead are they not your ministers but are you greater than them? Can't wisdom not tell you that it is he that give that is greater not he that receives !!!
Just imagine me going to a far country and teaching them my ways can't wisdom not tell you that in my home country those there are doing my ways!!!
Even scriptures confirm it by saying Let your will be done on Earth as it is "Heaven".
can't Wisdom not also tell you that if I can travel over the long distance - as far as heaven is to the earth and teach men that whosoever that must be the greatest among them must serve the rest that this would have already been implemented in heaven?
By the grace of God, I am a servant of the Most High God. I am also a son of the Most High God. I was not the one who said Angels are our ministers. The Bible says so. Go and argue with the Bible!
At least the Bible says"Judgement will start from the Lord's house"
Where's the Lord? Heaven. Who are those there? Angels and other other beings when there was war; the devil was cast out(Judgement) and he was reduced to the least of all creation
Or did they tell you that the judgement that is to come is for those angels that stood by God which resisted the devil and threw him away from Heaven? Don't envy; they already have a crown for that
Now that Satan is come unto you, you too should do so well as to cast him out(resist him).
Once again: "Do not say you are better than an Olympic Gold medalist until you have won yourself some Gold"
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Lol.
The last battle will actually be fought by Christ, His saints and angels. The scriptures says so. You need that Scripture? Ask and it shall be given unto you!
There's no single humility in you. Yet you're calling a child of God proud simply because he declares what the Word of God says about him. Your posts are full of fluffs, personal bosses, mental gymnastics and illogical conclusions, yet I never called you stupid. Meanwhile I'm the one who's proud and you whose posts are full of jabs and subtle insult are the one whose humble. Glory to God!
Yeah, some angels can bind the devil. Strength is not superiority.
Please read your Bible. Angels doing their work which are assigned to them does not
Are you doing the work assigned to you?
Are you a profitable servant? At least they are doing the work assigned to them that which the Lord has committed to you are doing it?
Sometimes you just say things without deep and proper thought.
Don't you know that when a child is young the whole family attend to him/her? From the child's perspective they are all serving his/her needs but from the perspective of the parent they're doing it because of love and because it's the baby that needs the help!!!
mean they're superior. Angels carrying Lazarus to heaven does not mean they're superior. Read your Bible with an open mind and get rid of humanly inspired theology. I hope you can see how God qualified man in scriptures. How God had to send His Son to die. You can see the length to which God had to go to get man back to Himself. You can see that we're going to occupy thrones beside Jesus in the world to come. You can see that we would judge Angels. Please read your Bible for yourself. Don't dwell on what someone has thought you as that person could be wrong.
You still missed the whole point. Jesus said those that are sick have need of the physician not those that are not sick!!!
When they talk of angels what do they say about them? (covered in glory, wearing white and holy) but what was said of man's righteousness; like a filthy rag!
That's why we had to take on the righteousness of God.
I can see clearly it's the entitlement mentality. The child that is being carried does not know the length of the journey.
When parents are doing things for their kids, the kids don't know the value because from their perspective they have always had it which brings entitlement.
Man is the one sick🤕. The sickness, wars, corruption etc where are they? Are they not here? Many are blind going amiss; doing what seemeth right in their sight. They are the ones that need the help. When you grow it is expected of you to help others; become an helping hand. The bible says freely have you received freely should you give. As you grow the emphasis no longer becomes on the value you receive but on the value you Give back.
Once again which shows you don't understand spiritual things.
One is spirit one is flesh. Wisdom tells you that which is spirit will be judged based on spiritual laws and that which is flesh of physical laws.
The bible mentioned in Genesis 1 all things the Lord made was good! It didn't take up to 50chapters after, the Lord repented making man.
Bible also confirms that which is earthly is known/judged by its fruits!!!
You still missed the whole point. Jesus said those that are sick have need of the physician not those that are not sick!!!
When they talk of angels what do they say about them? (covered in glory, wearing white and holy) but what was said of man's righteousness; like a filthy rag!
You're comparing upright angels to fallen man. Why not compare fallen angels to fallen man? Hen? What sort of logical fallacy is this?
That's why we had to take on the righteousness of God.
While in this fallen state.
I can see clearly it's the entitlement mentality. The child that is being carried does yenot know the length of the journey.
When parents are doing things for their kids, the kids don't know the value because from their perspective they have always had it which brings entitlement.
Man is the one sick🤕. The sickness, wars, corruption etc where are they? Are they not here? Many are blind going amiss; doing what seemeth right in their sight. They are the ones that need the help. When you grow it is expected of you to help others; become an helping hand. The bible says freely have you received freely should you give. As you grow the emphasis no longer becomes on the value you receive but on the value you Give back.
Once again which shows you don't understand spiritual things.
One is spirit one is flesh. Wisdom tells you that which is spirit will be judged based on spiritual laws and that which is flesh of physical laws.
The bible mentioned in Genesis 1 all things the Lord made was good! It didn't take up to 50chapters after, the Lord repented making man.
Bible also confirms that which is earthly is known/judged by its fruits!!!
Fallen man is sick. Man was not always sick. I can't even understand why you cannot see that I'm talking about man in his original state before the fall.
The errors in your thinking are in 3 sections below:
1. By what rule or law did you arrive at the conclusion that enlightened persons don't fall?
2. Who told you that Adam was tempted and did not know he was dealing with a deceiver?
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived;it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner." I have replied to this before!
3. Babies are fallen creatures too. They all have the fallen Adamic nature. A baby not knowing he's naked does not in anyway prove that Adam was in the same league with babies. They both didn't know they were naked for opposite reasons. A baby does not actually have any knowledge at all. Does not even know its own name. Adam wasn't like that.
From your above post,no one needs any further proof to know that you're the one who is proud and arrogant. You even termed me stupid. Lol.
Knowing who you are in Christ Jesus is not being proud. A prince who knows is a prince is not proud just because of that knowledge or because he tells people he's a prince. Lol. What you do with the knowledge is what determines pride. Have I boasted here on this forum? Have I referred to myself as someone more special than others? I have declared what the scriptures say a out new believers in Christ. How is that pride?
Let me give you more reasons to call me a proud man. I really need some good laugh. Look at what the scriptures say about those who believe:
Ephesians 2'6 "For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus."
which realm then are Angels in?
Lol. Let me declare the Word of God to someone who doesn't know who we are in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:22- 23 "He put all things under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the church which is His Body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way"
Christ is Head over all things. The church is Christ's body. If the head is ruling over ALL THINGS, where's the Body too? If the Head is sitting on a throne, where's His Body? That's shallow too?
Cab you tell me where Christ's Body sits when He sits on the throne ruling over all things? Are we not the Bride of Christ? Why are you so ignorant and obstinate at the same time?
This is where proper understanding comes into play you were grafted into the tree doesn't mean the tree was barren before or other branches were not on the tree?
More Scriptures? Here you go:
Psalm 8:6 "You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet ."
This requires context it's a physical context David was signifying physical dominion not spiritual dominion. Get that right!
Romans 5:17 "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"
Want more Scriptures? Ask and it shall be given unto you.
The truth is that people like you who don't have s revelation of who you are in Christ Jesus are the ones who become pawns in the hands of Satan. It won't even surprise me if you do not know that Satan is put under your feet if indeed you are of Christ.
Am sure Satan is indeed under your feet🤔
Which analogy did you give man? Could I even read anything you typed previously when you jammed everything together and I couldn't even differentiate what I wrote from you wrote.
I am a SON now Your previous statement implied differently
still awaiting the restitution of all things in which my former place in God shall be fully restored. So, while in this body, I groan in earnest expectation of that which would be made manifest in me at His coming.
Romans 8:18 "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed in us.
"Christ in me the hope of Glory." - Colossians 1:27.
I don't know if you can understand this Scripture below. I don't have enough time for explanation but I'll accentuate some parts for your observation.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4
"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."
Again, may the Lord give you understanding.
I.judt hope and not discussing with some kid behind these screens.
So, in essence, God wanted them to die, that's why He was visiting them, isn't it? Lolz. How ludicrous can it get?
Why ask me? It's your word I only pointed out a logical flaw! They ended up dead what's your point?
Adam and Eve are clearly shown in Scripture to have invited death through sin and not because they saw God
Does that negate the scripture which says no man can see God and live? At the end of the day they died. Fin!
. Infact God stopped visiting them after they sinned.
And who's Jesus' Body? The Church. Who's His Bride? The Church. Who's seated with Him in heavenly places? The Church. Who body would be fashioned like unto Christ's Glorious Body? The Church. You want the scriptures for these too? Ask and it shall be given unto you.
The food for thought now lies in whether those already in heaven are not already grafted in?
By the grace of God, I am a servant of the Most High God. I am also a son of the Most High God. I was not the one who said Angels are our ministers. The Bible says so. Go and argue with the Bible!
Lol.
The last battle will actually be fought by Christ, His saints and angels. The scriptures says so. You need that Scripture? Ask and it shall be given unto you!
There's no single humility in you. Yet you're calling a child of God proud
I am calling your doctrine proud if you read my message you would know what I meant!
simply because he declares what the Word of God says about him.
That you are greater than Angels?🤣🤣Pride indeed
Your posts are full of fluffs, personal bosses, mental gymnastics and illogical conclusions
From divine enlightenment to they saw God and didn't die 🤔 there are so many illogical conclusions!
, yet I never called you stupid. Meanwhile I'm the one who's proud and you whose posts are full of jabs and subtle insult are the one whose humble. Glory to God!
It shows you are a shallow thinker and don't understand scriptures deeply. It doesn't take a child to conclude that anything apart from God will not have life and using Marriage as a metaphor to exemplify the joining process between man and God. Is it only the groom and bride that make up the wedding feast? Are there not other attendees? God said there was jubilation in heaven when God brings a sheep home. You are the sheep those in heaven are happy because their number is increasing. Don't get it wrong child!!! The parable of the prodigal son also exemplified this when the prodigal son came home what happened? A feast was thrown for him( a marriage ceremony) after the marriage ceremony does he not become as his brother which didn't leave in the first place? Understanding his key, you are just bleating. You quote scriptures without understanding in depth what they mean!!! Like I said; an illusory effect! I am a child of God, a Son of God. I seat and dine with God! I know him by his names but I can see the prevalent trend in doctrine is misleading and promotes pride.
You're comparing upright angels to fallen man. Why not compare fallen angels to fallen man? Hen? What sort of logical fallacy is this?
While in this fallen state.
Fallen man is sick. Man was not always sick. I can't even understand why you cannot see that I'm talking about man in his original state before the fall.
Enlightened that cannot discern. How is that for enlightenment? He was swept away🤔
You're comparing upright angels to fallen man. Why not compare fallen angels to fallen man? Hen? What sort of logical fallacy is this?
While in this fallen state.
Fallen man is sick. Man was not always sick. I can't even understand why you cannot see that I'm talking about man in his original state before the fall.
Now your reasoning faculty is opening up🤔 You can see as regards fallen angels and fallen man, it's very simple. A Judge commiting murder will not be spared/acquitted by another judge because he should know better, he is guilty of every offence. But let someone perhaps a child commit an offence the Judge might want to pity him/her because of ignorance but we all know that there is no ignorance before the law he will get a sentence but it might be less severe as compared to the judge's own!
Resurrected Man is greater than fallen Angels because these Angels have been reduced to the scum of creation but without the resurrected aspects; without Jesus it's a massacre!
Now you are thinking!!! Jesus had to provide a way to defeat them without his sacrifice we were doomed to their control but after his sacrifice we gained the power over them!
"The disciples were excited that the demons were subject to them"!👌
When John saw the angel in Revelation he wanted to bow what did the Angel tell him?
Go and study the scripture!!! Learn to interpret scriptures correctly.
The blood was required to redeem souls, for the redemption of lost souls.
Forgiveness of sins is one thing Punishment for sins is another, God is just as He is merciful and His word cannot be nullified, the soul that sins shall die, so death must be paid for the sins of a soul.
And when a person truly forgive you they clear your debts for you.
If I forgave you a debt and still asked you to pay, have I forgiven your debt?
Jesus forgave and paid the price
Why would blood be required? Why blood even? Why not saliva or sweat or urine? Yes i'm been facetious, but that's cause it makes no iota of sense and is just regurgitated lines of indoctrination. Besides which lost souls, i thought that was already taken care of with the flood. So how come after wiping everything cause of they weren't how you wanted, in order to start afresh, you still end up with 'lost souls' needing to be saved. Does that mean the first plan failed so it had to be redone?!
And this time instead of get angry and destroying everything like an impatient child, he decides to to 'forgive' but with extra kafkaesque steps that he himself set up. His words can not be nullified?! When there are several examples of exactly that happening and its explained a way with mental gymnastics. Nah! If a person forgives you for wrongdoing, they simply move on, no extra steps. QED.
Stones and rocks have started to fall on your own head making you to expose yourself to be the one also using the moniker Gabrielshow24 and editing my post when you quoted it. Your stones with compound interest of rocks have been meted back to you the sender.
I thought you were sane and open to logic but now I can see that you are not logical at all!
You stray away from points; when confronted you become defensive. It is so clear that history does not deny the existence of Jesus. It's believed he existed; confirmed by major religions of the world!
Why would blood be required? Why blood even? Why not saliva or sweat or urine?
because saliva, sweat and urine are not major fluids that sustain life
Yes i'm been facetious, but that's cause it makes no iota of sense and is just regurgitated lines of indoctrination. Besides which lost souls, i thought that was already taken care of with the flood.
Did the fall of the German Empire stop the existence of Nazism? Just because the Lord wiped out man save a few does not delimit the fact that others who were to come will not misbehave!
So how come after wiping everything cause of they weren't how you wanted, in order to start afresh, you still end up with 'lost souls' needing to be saved .
Imagine a child shocked by electricity, the experience will keep him away for awhile but when he forgets or can't remember how the experience felt he is most likely going to get shocked
The bible says that a pharaoh rose up which didn't remember Joseph- one thing is certain men will forget!
How many people have forgotten about the Holocaust some still say it didn't even exist ?
With time Men will forget, they won't remember the effect; it will become vague and as more generations are coming it will be totally forgotten !
Does that mean the first plan failed so it had to be redone?!
And this time instead of get angry and destroying everything like an impatient child, he decides to to 'forgive'
but with extra kafkaesque steps that he himself set up. His words can not be nullified?! When there are several examples of exactly that happening and its explained a way with mental gymnastics. Nah! If a person forgives you for wrongdoing, they simply move on, no extra steps. QED.
everything you mentioned above are not concrete solutions to the problem yes they might provide temporal ease but in the long run the problem is bound to repeat itself!
Look at the entitlement mentality going around. If your gf exhibits this isn't that a red flag!
You seek a solution either terminating the relationship or making her see reasons why that is wrong?
There are hard problems in computer science that cannot be solved efficiently. Some problems require approximate solutions
It's Kafkaesque to you because you can't comprehend the hidden aspects of salvation! You use physical means to solve physical problems but how do you solve spiritual ones?
Doctors in general use Medical tools for surgery. You don't see doctors use lawnmower they can as well borrow some tools from other professions. At least there are uses for hammer in the medical field but none for lawnmowers.
At the end of the day it's all about solving the problem of sin permanently, sin against God is going against his will but when you are in line with his will then there is no sin!
How then can you always be inline with God? You must be led of God!
Now your reasoning faculty is opening up🤔 You can see as regards fallen angels and fallen man, it's very simple. A Judge commiting murder will not be spared/acquitted by another judge because he should know better, he is guilty of every offence. But let someone perhaps a child commit an offence the Judge might want to pity him/her because of ignorance but we all know that there is no ignorance before the law he will get a sentence but it might be less severe as compared to the judge's own!
Now, you're using human logic and your observation of human activities to reach conclusions that are contrary to scripture. A judge being more punished than a layman does not in anyway make the judge superior to the layman!
Infact, the layman could be the ruler of the nation. You're not reasoning with balance regarding these things.
Man has a special place with God because the main and most important reason why God created man is fellowship. Fellowship!
If angels were the judges over men, I might oblige but actually the reverse is the case. Lest you come and later attribute biblical references to me, referring to me as the sayer, I'll quote scriptures for you and leave you to it:
Don't you realize that we will judge angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3.
Resurrected Man is greater than fallen Angels because these Angels have been reduced to the scum of creation but without the resurrected aspects; without Jesus it's a massacre!
I dare not use the words "greater than" or "superior to" in relation to man and angels. These are your own words. I have never directly said man is greater than or superior to angels.
What I have said so far is that man has a special place with God by virtue of the purpose of his creation. Superiority or Greater thanism is your own interpretation.
Christ the only begotten Son of God became a man, not an angel. He came down to earth to be born by a woman, not by an angel. He's in heaven now, and the Bible makes us to know that we're seated together with in heavenly places far above principalities and powers, thrones and all names that are named. Think about that. I'm not positing any form of superiority. I'm only staying who God says we are in Christ Jesus. If you now put a superiority tag to that, it's your own doing, not mine.
Now you are thinking!!! Jesus had to provide a way to defeat them without his sacrifice we were doomed to their control but after his sacrifice we gained the power over them!
"The disciples were excited that the demons were subject to them"!👌
When John saw the angel in Revelation he wanted to bow what did the Angel tell him?
Go and study the scripture!!! Learn to interpret scriptures correctly.
You're just arrogantly trying to make yourself sound biblical when you know you're not biblical at all. Please humble yourself and study the a Word under the guidance of the Holy Ghost.
Listen, superiority is not a matter of power or strength. A 4 year old child might not be as strong as a General but he could be his superior. Angels excel in strength by virtue of what God created them for. That doesn't make them superior to humans.
Moreover, I am here simply stating whom believers are in Christ Jesus. I am not concerned about being superior or not superior to angels. I am only declaring the position God has placed me in Christ.
Read that your reference in Revelation 19:10 again. The response of that being when John wanted to bow to him shows he might not even be an angel but a glorified saint. He said "I am one of your brethren..." Angels are not the brethren of men.
It shows you are a shallow thinker and don't understand scriptures deeply. It doesn't take a child to conclude that anything apart from God will not have life and using Marriage as a metaphor to exemplify the joining process between man and God. Is it only the groom and bride that make up the wedding feast? Are there not other attendees? God said there was jubilation in heaven when God brings a sheep home. You are the sheep those in heaven are happy because their number is increasing. Don't get it wrong child!!! The parable of the prodigal son also exemplified this when the prodigal son came home what happened? A feast was thrown for him( a marriage ceremony) after the marriage ceremony does he not become as his brother which didn't leave in the first place? Understanding his key, you are just bleating. You quote scriptures without understanding in depth what they mean!!! Like I said; an illusory effect! I am a child of God, a Son of God. I seat and dine with God! I know him by his names but I can see the prevalent trend in doctrine is misleading and promotes pride.
Go and read the scriptures very well. The tree analogy by Paul is between Israel and the Gentiles and not between angels and men.
Chai! This ignorant kid! Should I take you through the whole of Romans chapter 10 before you can see that Paul was using the analogy of a branch that was cut off from a tree in relation to Israel and the Gentiles? Angels are not part of that tree in anyway whatsoever. Where did you learn your theology from?
I was not the one who used marriage as a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and the Church but the Bible itself did. In revelation 20/21, we even saw again that the Church is Christ's Bride. Go argue with the Bible.
Now, you're using human logic and your observation of human activities to reach conclusions that are contrary to scripture. A judge being more punished than a layman does not in anyway make the judge superior to the layman! Infact, the layman could be the ruler of the nation.
This is foolishness, the analogy I gave stated categorically that the judge is liable to offence because he ought to know better why are there experts or specialists? When a problem occurs and it's the fault of the expert is he not liable? Some mixing things up just to inflate your ego
You're not reasoning with balance regarding these things. Man has a special place with God because the main and most important reason why God created man is fellowship. Fellowship!
If angels were the judges over men, I might oblige but actually the reverse is the case. Lest you come and later attribute biblical references to me, referring to me as the sayer, I'll quote scriptures for you and leave you to it:
That's why understanding is key! From the scriptures the pharisees and Sadducees argued who will take the wife when they were resurrected but none thought to think that they were neither given in marriage!
Now Put understanding into that scripture and tell me of a surety if you will judge Michael? Or perhaps Gabriel? And once again the bible never drew a distinction between fallen angels and Holy angels. Even the word fallen was invented by man to show the difference between the food and the bad!
Once again you display your folly for the world to see!
From the biblical standpoint Lucifer is an angel but we all know that he is the devil; an evil on e which goes on his own volition and not of God!
1 Corinthians 6:3.
I dare not use the words "greater than" or "superior to" in relation to man and angels. These are your own words. I have never directly said man is greater than or superior to angels.
What I have said so far is that man has a special place with God by virtue of the purpose of his creation. Superiority or Greater thanism is your own interpretation.
You are just changing😁 mouth. This is a blatant lie you said man was an improvement to Angels You also said man was greater
You're just arrogantly trying to make yourself sound biblical when you know you're not biblical at all. Please humble yourself and study the a Word under the guidance of the Holy Ghost.
Listen, superiority is not a matter of power or strength. A 4 year old child might not be as strong as a General but he could be his superior.
This is why I said your mentality is that of pride; of Lording over others. He that is greater is not he that gives the command but he that executes it. It is only on Earth that the reverse is the case. Jesus said "I have not come to Lord over others in the same way your princes Lord over you he that must be the greatest must serve the others" What more do you want from this verse? Your pastors that attend to your needs are you better than them? Are you greater than them? Can a redeemer say he is greater than E.A.Adeboye ? Which through his hands many are fed during redemption.
See the rubbish you are saying. Your rank in heaven is not by pride but by service!!! simple!
Angels excel in strength by virtue of what God created them for. That doesn't make them superior to humans.
Moreover, I am here simply stating whom believers are in Christ Jesus. I am not concerned about being superior or not superior to angels. I am only declaring the position God has placed me in Christ.
This was not your disposition some time ago
Read that your reference in Revelation 19:10 again. The response of that being when John wanted to bow to him shows he might not even be an angel but a glorified saint. He said "I am one of your brethren..." Angels are not the brethren of men.
Your interpretation to scripture 🤔! every one should please applause Fxmaster for his gainsaying interpretation of scripture
Go and read the scriptures very well. The tree analogy by Paul is between Israel and the Gentiles and not between angels and men.
Chai! This ignorant kid! Should I take you through the whole of Romans chapter 10 before you can see that Paul was using the analogy of a branch that was cut off from a tree in relation to Israel and the Gentiles? Angels are not part of that tree in anyway whatsoever. Where did you learn your theology from?
I was not the one who used marriage as a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and the Church but the Bible itself
Did I say you did? Sometimes I believe you just skim and don't read my write up at all
did. In revelation 20/21, we even saw again that the Church is Christ's Bride. Go argue with the Bible. Don't be foolish it's paramount that man be married to God that's why that analogy is there to show the joining of God and man. It's a simple metaphor what's wrong with you? How does this negate those that are already joined to God?
Your entitlement mentality makes you believe you are the only one. I don't judge even Elijah told God that only he was left!
You think you are the only creature of God's hands. You think this puny earth is the only habitation of life. If not for the scriptures revealing Angels would you know they exist? See this child! Every car comes with its own manual! Never have I seen a lexus car come with a Toyota manual, Never! Even earthly things you don't know how then Heavenly things? Foolishness
