OkpaNsukkaisBae:


NATO implemented a no fly zone Libya to take out pro Gaddafi forces . They failed to do that in Syria because Russia is there.

That's why I asked that you read and immerse yourself in the topics and issues before making arguments on-the-go.

Your androhumanoid buddy has been going off about mainstream media and western propaganda so I'd use a news article from Al Jazeera which is anti-West. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-russia-nato-plan-joint-operation-on-syrias-chemical-weapons-idUSBREA1D0Y3/


There was calls by Middle East countries for a no-fly-zone in Syria in 2015. In 2017, Russia proposed a way to implement it (not Russia) and Turkey and Iran thought it made sense. The UN supported it. The U.S. was skeptical but didn't oppose it. (This is stated in the article.)

By 2017, Obama was gone, and Trump was POTUS. Trump's election campaign was always about withdrawing troops from the Middle East and deescalation.
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You claimed it was NATO who wanted a no-fly-zone. But it was the Middle East and Russia. And the U.S. didn't oppose it except being skeptical.

To make sure everyone was onboard, Russia even banned itself from the no-fly-zone. Assad did too. Everyone did.

See why you shouldn't make up arguments?

DissTroy:

By 2017, Obama was gone, and Trump was POTUS. Trump's election campaign was always about withdrawing troops from the Middle East and deescalation.
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You claimed it was NATO who wanted a no-fly-zone. But it was the Middle East and Russia. And the U.S. didn't oppose it except being skeptical.

US senators like John McCain, Graham, secretary of state Hillary Clinton, German Chancellor Merkel all proposed for a no fly zone in Syria. Putin said Russia is not against a no fly zone but they NATO MUST do that with the consent of the legitimate government of Syria.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-senator-graham-calls-for-no-fly-zone-in-syrias-idlib-idUSKCN20L36M/

https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/10/20/why-a-no-fly-zone-will-not-work-in-syria/

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/10/20/no-fly-zone-no-answer-for-syria/

2011
2015

Please be mindful when you read articles. Stop conflating everything.

Read the years involved and juxtapose it with your post.

Cheers.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



US senators like John McCain, Graham, secretary of state Hillary Clinton, German Chancellor Merkel all proposed for a no fly zone in Syria. Putin said Russia is not against a no fly zone but they NATO [b]MUST do that with the consent of the legitimate government of Syria. [/b]

On this thread and in other such back-and-forths you are notorious for changing the premise of your arguments.

Your earlier stance two pages back was, the U.S. wanted , a no-fly-zone but Russia stopped it. I showed evidence that it was Middle Eastern countries which called for it, and, in 2017, Russia proposed plan with no opposition from the U.S. To drive home the point, I posted an article by Al Jazeera which is as pro-Russia as it is anti-U.S.

To turn around when you have been entrapped by your own snare of peddled falsehood to something else is crazy.

NATO enforced no-fly-zone in 2011, Russia's protest regardless.

By 2017 when Russia (with Turkey and the UN) finally imposed a no-fly-zone post Obama, Trump was president. And Trump never pushed for any military incursion into the Middle East while he served as POTUS so what was the basis to oppose no-fly-zone in 2017?

Think!

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And you have to pick a side. You can't keep calling what you don't agree with from Western media propaganda then rely on evidence from same Western media to corroborate whatever point you think you are making.

DissTroy:


On this thread and in other such back-and-forths you are notorious for changing the premise of your arguments.

Your earlier stance two pages back was, the U.S. wanted , a no-fly-zone but Russia stopped it. I showed evidence that it was Middle Eastern countries which called for it, and, in 2017, Russia proposed plan with no opposition from the U.S. To drive home the point, I posted an article by Al Jazeera which is as pro-Russia as it is anti-U.S.

To turn around when you have been entrapped by your own snare of peddled falsehood to something else is crazy.

NATO enforced no-fly-zone in 2011, Russia's protest regardless.

By 2017 when Russia (with Turkey and the UN) finally imposed a no-fly-zone post Obama, Trump was president. And Trump never pushed for any military incursion into the Middle East while he served as POTUS so what was the basis to oppose no-fly-zone in 2017?

Think!

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And you have to pick a side. You can't keep calling what you don't agree with from Western media propaganda then rely on evidence from same Western media to corroborate whatever point you think you are making.

Na you dey score own goal broski. Did NATO consult with Gaddafi or need his consent before they enforced a No Fly Zone in Libya ❓❓

So called American fighter jets dubbed as the game changer for Ukraine on seeing Russian missiles

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-f-16-jet-destroyed-crash-monday-wsj-reports-2024-08-29/

https://www.aol.com/news/ukrainian-f-16-jet-destroyed-144701354.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/30/ukraine-war-briefing-pilot-killed-after-first-f-16-crash-since-delivery-of-jets-last-month

“The Israeli Bombing of Mezzeh in Damascus targeted a meeting of Military Leaders between Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.”

These niggas are still meeting up,bruh weting dey run through this people mind,is their hate so strong that they don't care about their life.

Btw Israel they low-key fight regional war if you notice,still no support from US.

One man show.

Ballzproblem2:
Btw Israel they low-key fight regional war if you notice,still no support from US.

One man show.

US is supporting Israel oh. US still d pump money to dem.

US are even sending more troops to Middle East to defend Isreal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-sending-few-thousand-us-troops-middle-east-one-day-after-biden-promised-he-wouldnt

What's best for America is best for Isreal.

The legacy of Obasanjo regime in my state. The man has now become a letter writer after his 3rd term agenda was foiled

Ladoja shared that he, along with other Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) governors, including Prince Olagunsoye Oyinlola, Chief Gbenga Daniel, and Dr. Segun Agagu, had pleaded with Obasanjo in Abeokuta to halt the impeachment plans.

We did not call Fayose, because we knew that Fayose was Baba’s son. So they knelt down and I knelt down with them. They were begging him, ‘Baba, please, let Ladoja be.’

“Baba then said ‘Rashidi, go and resign!’ I said ‘No, I won’t resign!’ He said, ‘If you don’t resign, you would be removed’.

“I said ‘No, they cannot do it.’ He asked ‘why?’ I said ‘because you cannot get two-thirds. He said ‘two-thirds my foot’ and then he left the place in fury. Daniel ran after him.”

https://x.com/TheYorubaTimes/status/1840671480159314018?s=19

DissTroy:


You brag a lot without being aware of underlying issues; following media rhetorics like it matters most. It's all talk.

There are Jewish Russians. Israel and Russia signed a visa-free agreement 16 years ago which is still effective as at today. Both countries trade almost a billion and half dollars yearly between themselves, including vegetables. Yes, vegetables.

Both Israel and Russia still maintain embassies and diplomatic rows are quickly ironed out.

Israel and Russia have never been enemies. In fact, Russia helped almost 2 million Jews escape the Holocaust.

Why does Israel need to bomb Russia? To impress upon you their might? You go off like these folks are enemies. They are not. Interests diverge at times but never enemies. When analysing global sociopolitics, my advice is you follow the money always. It paints a clearer picture of the true state of things.

Clearly, you haven't followed the trajectory of the issue on this thread.
It is expected. You have been dormant for months.
And without having a clear handle on things, you're interjecting with a sliver of information that does not get at the heart of what the debate is about.

This started as a topic about the the degree of carnage, some would call it genocide, that Israel had been meting out on Gaza following the horrific events of Oct. 7.
I and a minority on the thread--Amoto, Oasis; decry the wanton destruction. Opining that they've gone above and beyond machinations that any objective person would describe as proportional.
The vast majority, nihilist, obaino, sod, raum, Ibime; see things very differently. I have been unable to extract a concession from them on what would count as too much. When would they accept that Netanyahu or whoever replaces him has gone too far?

Killing more women and children than all conflicts over the last 3 years is not an problem.
So what is? Nuclear weapons killing everyone in the twin Palestine regions, Lebanon, Iran?
What is too much?
The ICC clearly believes Netanyahu has gone too far. He has an outstanding warrant. Nations like Canada have cut back on arms delivery.
Josep Borrell, a Russia hawk, and FM of the EU has denounced the genocide.

That is the background of this issue.

Nihilist and co took it further. It isn't just enough that there are no moral or legal concerns with Netanyahu killing entire families in Gaza.
He can also kill anyone who opposes him inside or outside the region.
He is the Fuhrer of the ME. No King, No President. No PM. No where on Earth is untouchable.
Netanyahu could kill President Xi and yell "I am a Chosen" at the camera and China will cower before him.

Nihilist pushed this position with the helicopter crash of President Raisi.
The brigade ran with it.
Every time a figure in the Resistance is killed, even when there is precedence of nation states assassinating paramilitary heads across the worlds, they turn into a bevy of drunk ladies backpatting each other and attempting to snide at anyone who is on the opposite end of the debate.
I have pushed back at this. Because they're off their rockers.

PM Rabin of Israel was killed like a dog on the streets of Tel-Aviv in 1995.
The murderer was an Israeli.
That is the precedent that keeps Netanyahu awake at night.
What you interpret as me bragging is a crash course on the global pecking order and where Israel and especially its disgraced PM sits.
The Romanov Tsars expelled and heavily curtailed Jews in the 19th century. Alliances shift. Agreements dissolve.
Whatever armistice exists between the Jewry and Russia can just as easily be terminated, if Russia's interests are f*cked with.
History did not begin in 1947.

I only care about a State of Palestine.
It is a moral issue. Heck, it is even a Pan-African issue.
Apartheid in all its forms must never be allowed to exist.
The Israeli right believes it can run out the clock.
But I prefer to be on the side of Mandela, the Irish, the Norwegians, the Spaniards, and the vast majority of the global community.
I consider it a disgrace that we're letting paramilitary groups with terrorist history lead this defining fight of our generation.
But if you want to dickride Netanyahu, be my guest. A State of Palestine is inevitable.

-Lord

Taguchi:


He has definitely been emboldened by his immense success with Hezbollah. The man obviously overrated Hezbollah just like oasis and okpa

Hezbolah cum prematurely now he's looking for action elsewhere..

The Hezbollah fell quicker than Hamas, but we were meant to believe they are the toughest

Sportsweb:
The Hezbollah fell quicker than Hamas, but we were meant to believe they are the toughest

Asin

Hezbolah na wash... their mates na UGM and Fulani bandits

"Fell" must have another meaning....
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Maybe.

reccy:
"Fell" must have another meaning....
..






Maybe.

Talk wetin dey ur mind; talk am with Ur full chest baba. Nobody dey beat anybody here

BlueRayDick:


Talk wetin dey ur mind; talk am with Ur full chest baba. Nobody dey beat anybody here

Soldier go soldier come, barrack remain the same nah.

How do you describe people that are still launching and even engaging their opponent in their ground invasion "fell"


You killed their leader, they appointed another one and the mission continues.......

Ballzproblem2:
“The Israeli Bombing of Mezzeh in Damascus targeted a meeting of Military Leaders between Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.”

These niggas are still meeting up,bruh weting dey run through this people mind,is their hate so strong that they don't care about their life.

YES.

-Lord

reccy:



Soldier go soldier come, barrack remain the same nah.

How do you describe people that are still launching and even engaging their opponent in their ground invasion "fell"


You killed their leader, they appointed another one and the mission continues.......

If Dem born the well, they should appoint new leaders and attack Israel soil again

DissTroy:

Both countries trade almost a billion and half dollars yearly between themselves, including vegetables. Yes, vegetables.

When analysing global sociopolitics, my advice is you follow the money always. It paints a clearer picture of the true state of things.

Your argument is flawed because even though economic trade & transactions is essential for the survival of a State, national interest is the supreme factor that determines the behavior of a state in the international system.
From January to May 2024, the US were still paying millions of dollars buying Russian uranium. This is the same country pressuring EU countries/firms to stop trading with RussiaRussia. Same country that imposed multiple economic sanctions on Russia to cripple her war effort in Ukraine.

Till date, Russia is still crediting Ukrainian bank account for the transit of Russian gas via Ukrainian pipelines delivering gas to other European countries.

If we're to believe your flawed logic of " Trade & follow the money politics " , then Russians and Ukrainians will not be killing each other.

E never reach two weeks sef when Russia shot down about 14 Israeli missiles heading to strike Iranian affiliate groups in Syria.

reccy:



Soldier go soldier come, barrack remain the same nah.

How do you describe people that are still launching and even engaging their opponent in their ground invasion "fell"


You killed their leader, they appointed another one and the mission continues.......

1. Israel bombed Hezbollah Headquarters to smithscreen

2. Israeli forces took out Nasarallah that has not been seen in public for a considerable number of years. Other top hierarchy Hezbollah guys were also taken down as well in the process.

NB: Nasrallah has been Hezbollah defecto leader since 1992. A lot of Gen Z Hezbollah members and sympathizers probably knows him as the one and truly chosen one until Israel set a date with him and his virgins.


3. Israel keeps pounding each and every location of Hezbollah within Lebanon where they are launching offensive attacks from and it's still ongoing..

What does "fell" mean to you? 🤷‍♂️

monerozi5590:


US is supporting Israel oh. US still d pump money to dem.

US are even sending more troops to Middle East to defend Isreal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-sending-few-thousand-us-troops-middle-east-one-day-after-biden-promised-he-wouldnt

What's best for America is best for Isreal.

💯%

LordAdam16:


Alliances shift. Agreements dissolve.
Whatever armistice exists between the Jewry and Russia can just as easily be terminated, if Russia's interests are f*cked with.
History did not begin in 1947.

I only care about a State of Palestine.
It is a moral issue. Heck, it is even a Pan-African issue.
Apartheid in all its forms must never be allowed to exist.
The Israeli right believes it can run out the clock.
But I prefer to be on the side of Mandela, the Irish, the Norwegians, the Spaniards, and the vast majority of the global community.

-Lord

This is the most important factor. Not the importation of vegetables from Israel and the money politics he's talking about. Wetin be vegetables? Russian gas/energy export generate the most revenue for Moscow. Some of the pipelines pass through Ukraine. Ukraine is paid handsomely for the right of transit. Yet hundreds of Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have perished at the battlefield.

If Nelson Mandela were to be alive, dumb and ignorant Nigerians will call him a terrorist sympathizer/extremist for supporting an independent state of Palestine.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



This is the most important factor. Not the importation of vegetables from Israel and the money politics he's talking about. Wetin be vegetables? Russian gas/energy export generate the most revenue for Moscow. Some of the pipelines pass through Ukraine. Ukraine is paid handsomely for the right of transit. Yet hundreds of Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have perished at the battlefield.

If Nelson Mandela were to be alive, dumb and ignorant Nigerians will call him a terrorist sympathizer/extremist for supporting an independent state of Palestine.

They are all operating on the assumption that the current disposition will exist forever or that it has always been that way.
Russia will sacrifice its interests in the ME because of vegetable.
The rubbish you read on NL.

When the Spaniards and Irish support Palestine, they go quiet.
But when people of their own stock support Palestine as is consistent with the Pan-African worldview, they become venomous.

Very funny folks.

-Lord

So if Mandela was alive he would support the October 7th attack that led to death of almost 700 Israeli civilians which Hamas did and most of y’all terrorist sympathizers were twerking to on Nairaland ba?

As una Dey rewrite history make una Dey take am sofri sofri Dey project o.

As in someone who got a Nobel Peace prize would support a terrorist organization that do not only terrorize Israelis but also killed 23 fellow Palestinians and tortured several others as recent as 2013/2014?

If u want to support a terrorist organization, please support them with ur full chest . No dey drag baba wey Dey negotiate peace while alive into ur delusion na .🤷‍♂️

LordAdam16:


They are all operating on the assumption that the current disposition will exist forever or that it has always been that way.
Russia will sacrifice its interests in the ME because of vegetable.
The rubbish you read on NL.

When the Spaniards and Irish support Palestine, they go quiet.
But when people of their own stock support Palestine as is consistent with the Pan-African worldview, they become venomous.

Very funny folks.

-Lord

When, Spanish people and Norwegians defend Palestine, Lebanon they will say it's freedom of speech, right of expression. But when their fellow countrymen from Nigeria support Lebanon, Palestine they will tag him as a terrorist sympathizer/extremist.
Is that not mental illness?

It's even worse, when citizens of countries like US & Australia where Hamas and Hezbollah is listed as a terrorist organization march in solidarity for Lebanon, Palestine waving flag belonging to terror groups.
The same dumb people will tell you it's their "Right", freedom" while calling you an extremist/terrorist sympathizer for showing sympathy to Palestine. Meanwhile, some of these people also justified the arrest of protesters waving Russian flag in the August protest.

Sportsweb:
If Dem born the well, they should appoint new leaders and attack Israel soil again

E be like you no dy follow up at all.

People wey don appoint new one yesterday and have been attacking each other since then?

BlueRayDick:


1. Israel bombed Hezbollah Headquarters to smithscreen

2. Israeli forces took out Nasarallah that has not been seen in public for a considerable number of years. Other top hierarchy Hezbollah guys were also taken down as well in the process.

NB: Nasrallah has been Hezbollah defecto leader since 1992. A lot of Gen Z Hezbollah members and sympathizers probably knows him as the one and truly chosen one until Israel set a date with him and his virgins.


3. Israel keeps pounding each and every location of Hezbollah within Lebanon where they are launching offensive attacks from and it's still ongoing..

What does "fell" mean to you? 🤷‍♂️

I'm not argue against what you wrote.

Since they have been bombing them, has it stopped them from responding? They are responding and increasing their targets deep inside their cities.
Even hamas are still playing round with Israel infantry in Gaza. So, tell me the meaning of 'fell' again sir.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



When, Spanish people and Norwegians defend Palestine, Lebanon they will say it's freedom of speech, right of expression. But when their fellow countrymen from Nigeria support Lebanon, Palestine they will tag him as a terrorist sympathizer/extremist.
Is that not mental illness?

It's even worse, when citizens of countries like US & Australia where Hamas and Hezbollah is listed as a terrorist organization march in solidarity for Lebanon, Palestine waving flag belonging to terror groups.
The same dumb people will tell you it's their "Right", freedom" while calling you an extremist/terrorist sympathizer for showing sympathy to Palestine. Meanwhile, some of these people also justified the arrest of protesters waving Russian flag in the August protest.

When are you moving to Gaza to go support them there?

As you don refuse to pack to North Korea and Russia, at least Gaza dey close by. Chisco bus fit carry you go Libya overnight, and then you go and join them to protest against Isreal in Gaza city.

Sha no make dem bomb you o. I don't want to to read that IDF caught local commander OkpaNsukka Al-Bae in a bunker somewhere. With the current rate of Israel's doings, there's bound to be a virgin scarcity in the afterlife at this point in time.

BlueRayDick:
So if Mandela was alive he would support the October 7th attack that led to death of almost 700 Israeli civilians which Hamas did and most of y’all terrorist sympathizers were twerking to on Nairaland ba?

As una Dey rewrite history make una Dey take am sofri sofri Dey project o.

As in someone who got a Nobel Peace prize would support a terrorist organization that do not only terrorize Israelis but also killed 23 fellow Palestinians and tortured several others as recent as 2013/2014?

If u want to support a terrorist organization, please support them with ur full chest . No dey drag baba wey Dey negotiate peace while alive into ur delusion na .🤷‍♂️

Na you wey no dey read. South Africa is the country that took Israel to ICC.
The party Mandela founded@ ANC supported Palestine through the PLO. The PLO then was also designated as a terrorist organization by the United States but it did not stop Mandela from supporting Palestine. Nelson Mandela made a famous speech in 1997..

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestine "

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine

nihilistjnr:


When are you moving to Gaza to go support them there?

As you don refuse to pack to North Korea and Russia, at least Gaza dey close by. Chisco bus fit carry you go Libya overnight, and then you go and join them to protest against Isreal in Gaza city.

Sha no make dem bomb you o. I don't want to to read that IDF caught local commander OkpaNsukka Al-Bae in a bunker somewhere. With the current rate of Israel's doings, there's bound to be a virgin scarcity in the afterlife at this point in time.

I dey wait for you to enter Ukraine to defend freedom of speech, democracy and capitalist propaganda. Then me sef go put body

LordAdam16, you stated Canada has "cut back on arms deal to Israel in protest"? LOL. I've advised you to ALWAYS follow the money.

Here's Al Jazeera exposing how Canada is sending arms to Israel through proxies just 6 weeks ago. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/15/how-canadas-off-the-record-arms-exports-end-up-in-israel

The U.S. is still sending weapons. France, with all of its grandstanding and seeming opposition to Israel, is still sending weapons to Israel. The E.U. is complicit too. Whatever line the U.S. tows, NATO always follows suit. It's the U.S. perfect cover.

I'd ignore your appeal on the morality of war. After October 7 with the unwavering support amongst Hamas sympathizers to the carnage in Israel, you lost all rights to gaslight. Right on this thread I'd quote posts by the folks you mentioned justifying the murder of Israeli women and children on October 7. Your emotionality is lost on me.

Forget the rhetorics and look below the surface. Follow the money always. Saudi Arabia and NATO are in bed with Israel. I have posted links over the last few days to corroborate my claims.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



Na you wey no dey read. South Africa is the country that took Israel to ICC.
The party Mandela founded@ ANC supported Palestine through the PLO. The PLO then was also designated as a terrorist organization by the United States but it did not stop Mandela from supporting Palestine. Nelson Mandela made a famous speech in 1997..

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestine "

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-palestine

If you read well enough (as you would like to claim), you would know that Mandela was criticized by those on the far left who deemed him too eager to negotiate and reconcile with apartheid's supporters.

Yet again you keep comparing apples to oranges when u equate the South African situation to Palestine’s’.

The South Africans were never presented with a two state option from inception which they turned down. For the umpteenth time , the Palestines chose war when they could’ve coexisted side by side with the Jews. They chose war instead of peace and they’ve always reaped the fruit of their decision up till date.