IMAliyu2:

New brainlet conspiracy theory just dropped.

MFs would rather invent a new conspiracy theory, that acknowledge, climate change, and that these are facts climate researchers have been predicting for years. That warmer ocean waters would result in larger costal storms and hurricanes.

When you deny the obvious, you have to fill in the blank to maintain balance of the system... and what better way to do this than conspiracies 😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly, both the Left and Right are guilty of conspiracies, but the Right are Ph.D holders. The Left are still dealing with Bachelor's Degree 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


#Xavier

wirinet:


A living organism with complete set of human (homo sapiens) DNA.

So is a fetus with brain activity and heartbeat (which begins at 6 weeks) not considered living?

But I see you avoided a perspective to this, According to science, a pre six weeks fetus is considered a human life... at its earliest stage because of its possession of human genetic and the capacity to, with time, evolve into sentience and state of living. Which now begs the question, if it's a human life or human entity, who gave any one the right to kill and stop its development?

But let's focus on your definition, so is a fetus which posseses heartbeat and brain activity (which begins from six weeks), not considered living?


#Xavier

Xavier5:


So is a fetus with brain activity and heartbeat (which begins at 6 weeks) not considered living?

But I see you avoided a perspective to this, According to science, a pre six weeks fetus is considered a human life... at its earliest stage because of its possession of human genetic and the capacity to, with time, evolve into sentience and state of living. Which now begs the question, if it's a human life or human entity, who gave any one the right to kill and stop its development?

But let's focus on your definition, so is a fetus which posseses heartbeat and brain activity (which begins from six weeks), not considered living?


#Xavier

A woman does not want a fetus in her body but she puts it there. even as Wirinet dehumanizes the human that dies in every abortion. I think there is enough time to decide when abortion should be done but if you go by the liberal lens of these guys, one can say if you are a liberal, you cannot object to a woman aborting her kid before it is born.

one can even say forcing a man to pay child support or alimony is not liberal since it will be against his liberty

bemeruca:


A woman does not want a fetus in her body but she puts it there. even as Wirinet dehumanizes the human that dies in every abortion. I think there is enough time to decide when abortion should be done but if you go by the liberal lens of these guys, one can say if you are a liberal, you cannot object to a woman aborting her kid before it is born.

You didn't factor in rape here... or failed contraceptives... 🤨

one can even say forcing a man to pay child support or alimony is not liberal since it will be against his liberty

My money, my choice. Keep the government out of my money. Only I have the right to do whatever the hell I want to do with my money, the government can not detect for me. Let me choose to take care of my child or not... 😂😂😂



#Xavier

raumdeuter:


I am not pro choice or pro abortion because you said so?

Have you stopped to think about the insane things you say consistently

You are not pro choice because the views you have expressed in this thread about abortion are not pro choice views.
You aren't well read, so you clearly don't understand the distinction between being pro choice and your view.

Xavier5:


When you deny the obvious, you have to fill in the blank to maintain balance of the system... and what better way to do this than conspiracies 😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly, both the Left and Right are guilty of conspiracies, but the Right are Ph.D holders. The Left are still dealing with Bachelor's Degree 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


#Xavier

What conspiracy theory can you name that an elected leader of the Democratic party has espoused?

Xavier5:


So is a fetus with brain activity and heartbeat (which begins at 6 weeks) not considered living?

A sperm is living, a day old zygote is living, a 6 weeks old fetus is living, in fact every cell, bacteria and plant is living.

But I see you avoided a perspective to this, According to science, a pre six weeks fetus is considered a human life... at its earliest stage because of its possession of human genetic and the capacity to, with time, evolve into sentience and state of living. Which now begs the question, if it's a human life or human entity, who gave any one the right to kill and stop its development?

A zygote a few hours old has complete set of 46 chromosomes.

Yes a 6 weeks old fetus can be considered human, bit it is not yet a person. A person must be capable of independent existence.
An unwanted fetus growing inside a woman is an parasite according to the woman. She has no emotional attachment to it. She wishes to remove it from her body as soon as possible.
So you see it's a matter of perspectives, the main issue is that it's the woman that suffers the pain and consequences of having an unwanted object in her body. You on the other hand suffer no consequences, only personal moral or religious wellbeing/satisfaction.

But let's focus on your definition, so is a fetus which posseses heartbeat and brain activity (which begins from six weeks), not considered living?
#Xavier

Once again no one says it's not living, only not regarded as a person capable of independent existence.

Now let me ask you: would you support the creation of human embryo incubator that would allow fertilisation and incubation of a fertilised human egg from conception to fully developed babies without the need of a woman?

Xavier5:


You didn't factor in rape here... or failed contraceptives... 🤨



My money, my choice. Keep the government out of my money. Only I have the right to do whatever the hell I want to do with my money, the government can not detect for me. Let me choose to take care of my child or not... 😂😂😂



#Xavier

i am not talking about rape. most women who are doing abortions are not doing it because of rape. So that is an exception.

IjeBos:


What conspiracy theory can you name that an elected leader of the Democratic party has espoused?

are you forgetting Adam Schiff and the whole Russia collusion crap are out there?

wirinet:

A sperm is living, a day old zygote is living, a 6 weeks old fetus is living, in fact every cell, bacteria and plant is living.

A zygote a few hours old has complete set of 46 chromosomes.

Yes a 6 weeks old fetus can be considered human, bit it is not yet a person. A person must be capable of independent existence.
An unwanted fetus growing inside a woman is an parasite according to the woman. She has no emotional attachment to it. She wishes to remove it from her body as soon as possible.
So you see it's a matter of perspectives, the main issue is that it's the woman that suffers the pain and consequences of having an unwanted object in her body. You on the other hand suffer no consequences, only personal moral or religious wellbeing/satisfaction.



Once again no one says it's not living, only not regarded as a person capable of independent existence.

Now let me ask you: would you support the creation of human embryo incubator that would allow fertilisation and incubation of a fertilised human egg from conception to fully developed babies without the need of a woman?

abortion only makes sense when you dehumanize a developing human like this. see the length you went through to dehumanize a human.
When a woman is pregnant, she says we are going to have a baby to people or her husband, not a fetus or a zygote. it is only when they want to abort they use terms like fetus or zygote.

Xavier5:


As I always tell people, conservatism and liberalism are broad spectrums containing various school of thoughts. Yes, at the core values, they all agree, but in some cases, there will be disagreement or variants, just like we see in every other worldviews e.g theism, Christianity etc

Calling someone "not conservative" or "not liberal" because of their pro-choice or pro-life views respectively, is like a theist calling a deist "not theist"; or a Protestant calling a Catholic, "not Christian"; or a polytheistic Hindu calling a Monotheistic Hindu (like Vivek Ramaswamy), "not Hindu"; or a pro intelligent design Christian calling a theistic evolution Christian, "not Christian; or a pro-life Christian calling a pro-choice Christian, "not Christian". It's funny and ridiculous as hell 😂😂😂

This is the reason why most pro-choice conservatives and pro-life liberals do not express their views, and lots of them that do, claim independents (in other to avoid opposition) before doing so. Only few like me... and you... are bold enough to speak and stand their ground in the face of opposition.


#Xavier

1.) Independent isn't the middle of Conservative and Liberal. Moderate is.

2.) You've made the choice to call yourself a liberal, I'm not sure why. Is their power in that word?
Some people's perspective range. And so I'm not sure why anyone would want to be constrained by one box. I have social conservative views but I'm liberal in the rest of my thinking. I'm a registered independent because neither the Dems pr Republicans fully encapsulate my views.
I think that's ok.

bemeruca:


are you forgetting Adam Schiff and the whole Russia collusion crap are out there?

Your Bullshit are not Facts.

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The report is the culmination of a bipartisan probe that produced what the committee called “the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed.” The investigation spanned more than three years as the panel’s leaders said they wanted to thoroughly document the unprecedented attack on U.S. elections.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election

bemeruca:


A woman does not want a fetus in her body but she puts it there. even as Wirinet dehumanizes the human that dies in every abortion. I think there is enough time to decide when abortion should be done but if you go by the liberal lens of these guys, one can say if you are a liberal, you cannot object to a woman aborting her kid before it is born.

It's not the woman that puts the fetus in her body. it's as a result of sex, an instinct hard wired into our DNA through instinct.

I don't dehumanise human that dies in every abortion. I just see it as a non viable person. It was aborted because the woman does not want to carry, birth and care for a baby. The irony of this pro - anti abortion debate is that it is we pro abortionists that care most for the baby once it's born. We believe a baby should have the best care from the parents and society to live a meaningful life. Meanwhile, the concerns of anti abortionists stop at birth. It is depressing for me to see millions of parentless children roaming our streets.

one can even say forcing a man to pay child support or alimony is not liberal since it will be against his liberty

I believe parents thar have children they can't cater for should be jailed, particularly those that abandon children to the streets. These children turn out to be menace to society and end up destroying or degrading the whole society.

IjeBos:


Your Bullshit are not Facts.

you cannot be this stupid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fABhgq1tdQk

wirinet:

A sperm is living, a day old zygote is living, a 6 weeks old fetus is living, in fact every cell, bacteria and plant is living.

A zygote a few hours old has complete set of 46 chromosomes.

But the sperm, bacteria, plant cells are not living human organisms. The question is not if the fetus is living, but if it's a human life... or in this case, a living human life.

Yes a 6 weeks old fetus can be considered human, bit it is not yet a person. A person must be capable of independent existence.
An unwanted fetus growing inside a woman is an parasite according to the woman. She has no emotional attachment to it. She wishes to remove it from her body as soon as possible.
So you see it's a matter of perspectives, the main issue is that it's the woman that suffers the pain and consequences of having an unwanted object in her body. You on the other hand suffer no consequences, only personal moral or religious wellbeing/satisfaction.

The argument is not whether it has attained sentience, but if it's a living human organism. If it is, then who gives any one the right to kill a human life? If it is, and if human life irrespective of race, gender, intelligence, viability, socio-economic status, or stage of development, have intrinsic value (thanks to the universal intrinsic knowing of the value of human life), then who gives anyone the right to kill a human life with intrinsic value?

Also, according to your definition of personhood, new born babies and people on life support, aren't persons since they aren't viable enough to live independently. So in other words, we can take the life out of them. I'm so loving this view 😂😏😌

Calling a human life an unwanted object is the equivalence of Nazis and slave owners referring to Jews and blacks as Vermin and animals. Dehumanizing a human life is always the first step to committing crime against it or them. Talk about neo Nazism 😏

Once again no one says it's not living, only not regarded as a person capable of independent existence.

Now let me ask you: would you support the creation of human embryo incubator that would allow fertilisation and incubation of a fertilised human egg from conception to fully developed babies without the need of a woman?

As far as the child will be well taken care of by parents or government child care systems, then why not? So what does that have to do with the fact that a human life... in this context, living human life is being killed.



#Xavier

bemeruca:


abortion only makes sense when you dehumanize a developing human like this. see the length you went through to dehumanize a human.

Between you and I who dehumanize a human? Me that hate to see babies brought into the world to parents who are not ready to love and care for them and so allow them suffer, or you that watch them suffer without having a prick of conscience.

When a woman is pregnant, she says we are going to have a baby to people or her husband, not a fetus or a zygote. it is only when they want to abort they use terms like fetus or zygote.

I know you are quite Proficient in English Language, so what does the term "we are going to have a baby" connote? Does that mean we already have a baby?

wirinet:

It's not the woman that puts the fetus in her body. it's as a result of sex, an instinct hard wired into our DNA through instinct.

I don't dehumanise human that dies in every abortion. I just see it as a non viable person. It was aborted because the woman does not want to carry, birth and care for a baby. The irony of this pro - anti abortion debate is that it is we pro abortionists that care most for the baby once it's born. We believe a baby should have the best care from the parents and society to live a meaningful life. Meanwhile, the concerns of anti abortionists stop at birth. It is depressing for me to see millions of parentless children roaming our streets.


I believe parents thar have children they can't cater for should be jailed, particularly those that abandon children to the streets. These children turn out to be menace to society and end up destroying or degrading the whole society.

can you have sex with a woman if she does not agree to it?
it is the responsibility of the woman to choose a responsible man to have sex with.
it is more of her responsibility to make sure they use proper measures to avoid getting pregnant

the lie that you care more for the baby when it is born is laughable for a baby you wanted to kill in the first place.
we know conservatives are more charitable, they run more Orphanage. making up lies or propaganda does not help.

A liberal can be pro-life

wirinet:

Between you and I who dehumanize a human? Me that hate to see babies brought into the world to parents who are not ready to love and care for them and so allow them suffer, or you that watch them suffer without having a prick of conscience.


I know you are quite Proficient in English Language, so what does the term "we are going to have a baby" connote? Does that mean we already have a baby?

parents should behave like people with brains. i know there are some exceptions but the way you guys see abortion is trouble. you can support it without dehumanizing what is being aborted. only the appearance of guilt will make you dehumanize it.

IjeBos:


You are not pro choice because the views you have expressed in this thread about abortion are not pro choice views.
You aren't well read, so you clearly don't understand the distinction between being pro choice and your view.

You are known around here to be very senseless anyway so I am not shocked

Xavier5:

Surprisingly, I'm yet to see a conservative attack you on this thread for being pro-choice unlike a certain member of this thread who was unfortunate enough to open his mouth in favor of pro-life 😂. But as I said, since my liberalism does not align with the dominant liberalism on this thread, I have humbly claim independent on this thread... for peace to reign 😂

#Xavier

You now see that the so called liberals are the more virulently intolerant people

bemeruca:


can you have sex with a woman if she does not agree to it?
it is the responsibility of the woman to choose a responsible man to have sex with.
it is more of her responsibility to make sure they use proper measures to avoid getting pregnant

Let me state the fact once again, sex is hardwired into out DNA through instinct. So that your preaching that "it is the responsibility of the woman to choose a responsible man to have sex with" does not necessarily work in the real world. An ovulating woman has heightened sexual urges because her hormones are fighting. How do I know? Because I am married, and I have practical experience. Nature made it that way in order to force survival of the specie.
Does that mean humans should be forking like dogs? Of course no. But we must learn how to manage the sex instinct and its consequences responsibility. Hiding our heads in the sands only makes the matter worse.

the lie that you care more for the baby when it is born is laughable for a baby you wanted to kill in the first place.
we know conservatives are more charitable, they run more Orphanage. making up lies or propaganda does not help.

A liberal can be pro-life

All you wrote up there are lies. Liberals are far more charitable than Conservatives. Liberals hate to see sufferings in the world and strive to make the world a better place, particularly for children.

raumdeuter:


You are known around here to be very senseless anyway so I am not shocked

Raum, Mr. Pro Choice, aka Captain Intellectual Dishonesty
You should go pick up a book and figure out what Pro-Choice means. No it does not mean states should choose if a woman can control her body.

raumdeuter:

Which s the point of the SCOTUS ruling. If more people feel like Melania then vote in their states and make it a law like Kansas did, If more people feel the opposite of what Melania feels then put it on ballot and outlaw abortion in their state
The beauty of democracy Each state decide your destiny

raumdeuter:

Any society that loves handmade should put it on votes and choose to. Its the point of democracy

raumdeuter:

Places like Kansas already put it on the ballot and it won. Let every state decide through the ballot what they want

wirinet:

Let me state the fact once again, sex is hardwired into out DNA through instinct. So that your preaching that "it is the responsibility of the woman to choose a responsible man to have sex with" does not necessarily work in the real world. An ovulating woman has heightened sexual urges because her hormones are fighting. How do I know? Because I am married, and I have practical experience. Nature made it that way in order to force survival of the specie.
Does that mean humans should be forking like dogs? Of course no. But we must learn how to manage the sex instinct and its consequences responsibility. Hiding our heads in the sands only makes the matter worse.

All you wrote up there are lies. Liberals are far more charitable than Conservatives. Liberals hate to see sufferings in the world and strive to make the world a better place, particularly for children.

it is wired in our DNA that we need food that does not mean we will eat poison. I am not preaching to you. People do what they like responsibly. A boy in School bought condoms and keep in his girlfriend's room as well as his room. his GF did a contraceptive implant
yet he uses condoms. this is how responsible people do their business.

i still have to address the bold even if I agree with it

IjeBos:


Raum, Mr. Pro Choice, aka Captain Intellectual Dishonesty
You should go pick up a book and figure out what Pro-Choice means. No it does not mean states should choose if a woman can control her body.

Anyone with slight common sense will see that is advocating for peoples choice is choosing the way they want to be ruled in their different states but braindead losers like you will not understand it

raumdeuter:


Anyone with slight common sense will see that is advocating for peoples choice is choosing the way they want to be ruled in their different states but braindead losers like you will not understand it

You keep repeating it while still not understanding what you're writing.
That is not PRO CHOICE.

You might want to stop relying so much on what your call your "common sense" and instead read a fuckign book.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of sense in your "common sense".

raumdeuter:


Anyone with slight common sense will see that is advocating for peoples choice is choosing the way they want to be ruled in their different states but braindead losers like you will not understand it

given the fact that you are a conservative who did not vote for trump in 2020. Despite all your criticism of Trump and all, How many Conservatives on this thread attacked you?

IjeBos:


You keep repeating it while still not understanding what you're writing.
That is not PRO CHOICE.

You might want to stop relying so much on what your call your "common sense" and instead read a fuckign book.

Almost everyone here knows you do not have a basic understanding of anything. You consistently display the nous of a toddler. Which book have you read and understood beyond admiring the colors?

IjeBos:


You keep repeating it while still not understanding what you're writing.
That is not PRO CHOICE.

You might want to stop relying so much on what your call your "common sense" and instead read a fuckign book.

Lmao, that is democracy. If he has to vote Raumdeuter will vote for abortion. These are the little things you don't comprehend and you are supposed to be first in your class at harvard. Shame.

bemeruca:


given the fact that you are a conservative who did not vote for trump in 2020. Despite all your criticism of Trump and all, How many Conservatives on this thread attacked you?

Watch the video and read the comments under it

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA0ihrWRBji/?igsh=MTJ4YTZ4d2JmdDZ6dA==

bemeruca:


Lmao, that is democracy. If he has to vote Ramdeuter will vote for abortion. These are the little things you don't comprehend and you are supposed to be first in your class at harvard. Shame.

People in Kansas a reliably Republican state voted for abortion. I guess those people are not conservatives since they voted for abortion

There are some conservatives who are pro abortion, and some liberals who are anti abortion

raumdeuter:


Almost everyone here knows you do not have a basic understanding of anything. You consistently display the nous of a toddler. Which book have you read and understood beyond admiring the colors?

You keep talking about this understanding of yours. What proves it, the nonsense you post here?
What do you have to back it up?

You keep talking about pro choice while saying let the states decide.
Being pro choice is the belief that women are solely responsible for their bodies. It is not the belief that states should decide what woman in that state can do with their body.
Read a fvcking book instead of spending so much time running your mouth about sh*t you don't understand.
I always feel embarrassed for your dumb ass.

As if common sense can make up for a deficit of education. That is what people without those educations and therefore without any common sense say.

IjeBos:


You keep talking about this understanding of yours. What proves it, the nonsense you post here?
What do you have to back it up?

You keep talking about pro choice while saying let the states decide.
Being pro choice is the belief that women are solely responsible for their bodies. It is not the belief that states should decide what woman in that state can do with their body.
Read a fvcking book instead of spending so much time running your mouth about sh*t you don't understand.
I always feel embarrassed for your dumb ass.

As if common sense can make up for a deficit of education. That is what people without those educations and therefore without any common sense say.

Almost every poster here no matter the side of the divide they are agree on one thing, You are a dumbass, and a morronn.

That says something for people to have a consensus on your mental abilities