But republicans governors are on record stating they’re getting all the help they need and the govt and FEMA are responsive to them

What do you y’all gain from such blatant lies. This is a level of mind numbing bold faced fvckery that I can’t comprehend nor will I try to because I don’t want my brain to shut down.

What’s y’all’s problem? Good lord!

bemeruca:
FEMA should be replaced

All the money goes into housing illegals while Americans in need get it as a loan.

Anything the democrats touch turns to shit
https://twitter.com/Flylittledoggie/status/1843250923583472116?t=k8bKcUjkh5uwAfMjntQCeA&s=19

cococandy:


It’s very unfortunate. I have family in Florida and I love to visit there. Would be sad to see what the aftermath will be to the beauty of that state.

But according to Ron & co, climate change is a woke ideology made up by snowflake liberals to convince them to give up their freedoms, sell their souls and become gay. Or something something. I don’t even know.

I just know that a lot of the damage will be terribly sad and utterly preventable.

I hope your family is doing ok and moved to safety. The way they are talking about it has me concerned.
And hurricane season isn't even over yet.
The US is going to have to have a real discussion about what this means. I pray there is no loss of life, but the economic damages are going to be extensive.

LordReed:


Are you forgetting that I also said the Allies saw it as murder?

I am not forgetting. It is the universal truth that makes the allies see it for what it is and it is also the universal truth they makes the Nazis want to hide it.

Again, have you witness where a baby was taught not to kill? It is alway the other way round. A baby is taught to kill.

Trump is a traitor.
And unfortunately for him, the US government should have all the intercepts of those calls.

Trump Secretly Stayed in Touch With Putin After Leaving Office, Book Says
A new book by the journalist Bob Woodward also reports that Donald J. Trump, while still in office, secretly sent Vladimir Putin what were then rare Covid-19 tests for the Russian’s leader’s personal use.

Former President Donald J. Trump has secretly spoken with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia as many as seven times since leaving office, even as he was pressuring Republicans to block military aid to Ukraine to fight Russian invaders, according to a new book by the journalist Bob Woodward.
...
The book also reports that Mr. Trump, while still in office early during the Covid-19 pandemic in 2020, secretly sent Mr. Putin what were then rare tests for the virus for the Russian’s personal use. Mr. Putin, who has been described as particularly concerned about being infected at the time, urged Mr. Trump to not publicly reveal the gesture because it could damage the American president politically. “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me,” Mr. Putin reportedly told him.

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/us/politics/trump-putin-woodward-book.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Qk4.Mb9L.RFIr_L4gfLG_&smid=url-share

cococandy:
But republicans governors are on record stating they’re getting all the help they need and the govt and FEMA are responsive to them

What do you y’all gain from such blatant lies. This is a level of mind numbing bold faced fvckery that I can’t comprehend nor will I try to because I don’t want my brain to shut down.

What’s y’all’s problem? Good lord!

Yeah right.

1) Just because you said it doesn’t make them true. Hunter’s laptop did what? What exactly is that statement. Is that a complete statement? Or you’re being ambiguous so I can fill in what you’re trying to say?

2) Babies aren’t being killed after they’re born as a form of birth control or for even any reason at all. No mom is changing her mind last minute after giving birth and decides “welp I changed my mind. Here you go doctor. Pls kill the baby”. And the doctor obliges. That mom, the doctor and all assisting staff would be in jail before the shift is over

Pls tell believable lies at least. These people can really get yall to believe anything. I don’t know how we got here but it needs to be studied by future generation of psychologists.

And now I remember afresh why I don’t even bother going back and forth with right wingers on the internet. Thanks for reminding me.

bemeruca:


60 minutes, fact heck, Trump on Hunter's laptop. They said it was a lie but it wasn't. Why should he go back?

During an ABC debate, he said a governor says they can kill the baby even when it is born on the topic of abortion. They fact-checked him, saying it was a lie, but what he said was true.

So a truth can change to a lie to the uninformed who rely on the media. When a truth is told and the media says it is a lie, the uninformed will believe the media.

IjeBos:


I hope your family is doing ok and moved to safety. The way they are talking about it has me concerned.
And hurricane season isn't even over yet.
The US is going to have to have a real discussion about what this means. I pray there is no loss of life, but the economic damages are going to be extensive.

Thank you.
They evacuated. Life will be spared so we’re thankful for living in a world where these things can be predicted by scientists and safety precautions implemented. Imagine the lives that would’ve been lost otherwise?

Yep. A lot of economic devastation but money can always be re-acquired and property can be rebuilt.

kkins25:

Not if the supposed guests are my own children, which I had to engage i coitus to create out of my will.

You know that not everyone engages in coitus with the goal of having a baby right?

Sure. But even if society turns a blind eye, nature will carry out its course. It's not society forcing her to, It's good-old mother nature.

A mother should be ready to take on the task. If she isn't then it shouldn't be forced.

Of course. However, the autonomy of the individual cannot supersede that of society. After all, as much of an introvert as I am, when I left Christianity, it was hell. And I'm able to survive because I found society in my nairalander folks and those online. Without society, the individual becomes insane.

Autonomy over ones body doesn't infringe on society's autonomy. I don't want to live in a society that wants to violate my bodily autonomy.



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https://www.routefifty.com/health-human-services/2019/12/pregnant-women-drug-use/161701/

Not sure what this has to do with it.

cococandy:

1) Just because you said it doesn’t make them true. Hunter’s laptop did what? What exactly is that statement. Is that a complete statement? Or you’re being ambiguous so I can fill in what you’re trying to say?

2) Babies aren’t being killed after they’re born as a form of birth control or for even any reason at all. No mom is changing her mind last minute after giving birth and decides “welp I changed my mind. Here you go doctor. Pls kill the baby”. And the doctor obliges. That mom, the doctor and all assisting staff would be in jail before the shift is over

Pls tell believable lies at least. These people can really get yall to believe anything. I don’t know how we got here but it needs to be studied by future generation of psychologists.

And now I remember afresh why I don’t even bother going back and forth with right wingers on the internet. Thanks for reminding me.

Go watch the 60minute interview. Trump talked about the Hunter laptop and Lesley keeps saying it was not verified. it was, Newpost Verified it and it was there for any media interested to verify it. what did they do? they covered it up and lie to the people it was Russian disinformation without verifying it.

trump said what the previous governor of West Virginia said and they fact checked him. saying it is a lie. this is what they fact checked Trump on.
who discusses or debates if a baby should be killed after delivery? So where is the lie from trump on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

kkins25:

Not if the supposed guests are my own children, which I had to engage i coitus to create out of my will.

The supposed guests are not yet your own children, you are yet to meet them physically. I might not have engage in coitus out of my free will, my coitus might have been a result of rape, inebriation by alcohol or drugs, or share raw uncontrollable sex instincts taking control. Its not every time a woman engage in coitus that she will to get pregnant.

Sure. But even if society turns a blind eye, nature will carry out its course. It's not society forcing her to, It's good-old mother nature.

I don't understand. You mean nature is forcing a woman to have sex and then getting pregnant through hormones?

Of course. However, the autonomy of the individual cannot supersede that of society. After all, as much of an introvert as I am, when I left Christianity, it was hell. And I'm able to survive because I found society in my nairalander folks and those online. Without society, the individual becomes insane.

Agreed, but the imposition of millions of unwanted children is detrimental to society as a whole. Its leads to gradual erosion of the fabrics of society. This was why Rome imposed monogamous marriage where both parents are to raise their children upon its empire.

wirinet:

It's not the woman that puts the fetus in her body. it's as a result of sex, an instinct hard wired into our DNA through instinct.

I don't dehumanise human that dies in every abortion. I just see it as a non viable person. It was aborted because the woman does not want to carry, birth and care for a baby. The irony of this pro - anti abortion debate is that it is we pro abortionists that care most for the baby once it's born. We believe a baby should have the best care from the parents and society to live a meaningful life. Meanwhile, the concerns of anti abortionists stop at birth. It is depressing for me to see millions of parentless children roaming our streets.


I believe parents thar have children they can't cater for should be jailed, particularly those that abandon children to the streets. These children turn out to be menace to society and end up destroying or degrading the whole society.

Exactly....


Not all are capable of taking care of themselves let alone another... Better don't have them, if you can't care for them. Shikena

bemeruca:


I am not forgetting. It is the universal truth that makes the allies see it for what it is and it is also the universal truth they makes the Nazis want to hide it.

Again, have you witness where a baby was taught not to kill? It is alway the other way round. A baby is taught to kill.

Good. Understand that I was contrasting how both saw the same event differently to buttress my point about subjectivity. I was not endorsing genocide.

Babies will kill other living things not of their own species.

LordReed:


Good. Understand that I was contrasting how both saw the same event differently to buttress my point about subjectivity. I was not endorsing genocide.

Babies will kill other living things not of their own species.

We eat other living things. you are overreaching. Babies usually fear other living things, roaches, spiders, etc.

bemeruca:


Go watch the 60minute interview. Trump talked about the Hunter laptop and Lesley keeps saying it was not verified. it was, Newpost Verified it and it was there for any media interested to verify it. what did they do? they covered it up and lie to the people it was Russian disinformation without verifying it.

trump said what the previous governor of West Virginia said and they fact checked him. saying it is a lie. this is what they fact checked Trump on.
who discusses or debates if a baby should be killed after delivery? So where is the lie from trump on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

Hunter's laptop was never verified. It can never be verified. The chain of custody has been broken.
Did Hunter have a laptop? Yes.
Is that the physical laptop the FBI has? Maybe.
Is every bit/byte of data on the laptop Hunter Biden's? That is unverifiable.
Some of the info on the Laptop was not originally on the laptop, someone put it on there after it left Hunter's possession.
No forensic analysis can be done that says the laptop is Hunter's as the chain of custody was broken.

You say you are in Tech. But every even a basically competent tech person understands the difference between a physical device and the data stored in it.
You deal in basic misinformation a rational tech person would understand.

What the experts found
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.

Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.

“The drive is a mess,” Green said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

IjeBos:


Hunter's laptop was never verified. It can never be verified. The chain of custody has been broken.
Did Hunter have a laptop? Yes.
Is that the physical laptop the FBI has? Maybe.
Is every bit/byte of data on the laptop Hunter Biden's? That is unverifiable.
Some of the info on the Laptop was not originally on the laptop, someone put it on there after it left Hunter's possession.
No forensic analysis can be done that says the laptop is Hunter's as the chain of custody was broken.

You say you are in Tech. But every even a basically competent tech person understands the difference between a physical device and the data stored in it.
You deal in basic misinformation a rational tech person would understand.

that is disgraceful
then tell us why the government submitted it as evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGost-Df23w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8qtkYaqrU&t=90s

cococandy:
Backing out of an interview because you’ll be fact checked is wild.

So we’re just okay accepting the right as the party of lies? Okay.

The correct word is alternative facts.

bemeruca:


We eat other living things. you are overreaching. Babies usually fear other living things, roaches, spiders, etc.

I am not. I am showing you just how subjective it all is. You kill other animals but if they kill a human you get angry, why? You have more value for a human than any other animal. Do you think animals should value members of their own species above humans?

bemeruca:


LordReed stop with this pettiness. You know how this forum is and if you cannot handle the energy here you can just watch. I don't expect this from you.

Someone saying your post is ridiculous is not attacking you. He is attacking your idea. You should not be arguing this

If it was our normal verbal sparring, I won't be bothered but this was supposed to be a polite conversation. Do you know me to be reticent about lobbing insults back at people on here. Even you can attest that I have done it to you. This was supposed to be different. Maybe I misplaced my expectations.

raumdeuter:


How is this different from what Xavier5 believes? Does this stop the person from being liberal?

I don't know what Xavier5 believes. But what I described does not stop a person from being liberal, and in fact shows a person is liberal.

Its like being liberal about homosexuality. One may not want to have same gender sex, but one can accept that others should have the right to be gay.

bemeruca:


that is disgraceful
then tell us why the government submitted it as evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGost-Df23w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8qtkYaqrU&t=90s

The problem is you spend your life watching youtube videos, being told how to think.
Like Raumdeuter, you don't read and have 0 reference of the US court system.
You don't even seem to be a competent tech person. Not understanding data.

The laptop was admitted into evidence solely for a few documents they were verified.
The judge probably made a bad ruling as there should have been a forensic report filed authenticating the laptop. There wasn't.
The FBI agent testified that she didn't see any tempering, but she didn't even look and she has a small understanding of it.
She only looked at the documents she was given to look at.
Again, the laptop has not been fully verified. People can't even say that the info on the laptop didn't come from other places.

From Hunter Biden's attorney's cross examination of the FBI witness on the Stand at Hunter's Trial

Q. You have no reason to believe the time the FBI acquired the data from Apple, or what you just described, they changed any part of it, right?
A. Forensic examiners?
Q. Yes, the FBI, they didn’t change anything that you know of, did they?
A. No, I have a small basis of my understanding of how they work , I know they do a lot — they create images files of what would be considered the original data, so it doesn’t change the original data, but beyond that, I’m providing what I know.
Q. And the material that came into evidence that you discussed with Mr. Hines yesterday, as far as you know is the way the FBI obtained it?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated what you know about what they did with it, but you have no reason to believe the material that you just described yesterday, and I asked you about today, had been changed, altered, it was authentic as you understood it?
A. What I can speak to is when we obtain the data.
Q. Yes?
A. It was authentic from that point forward.
Q. And then when you provided it to us in discovery, discovery meaning you provided material to the defense, that’s the way it was sent, in the same way that you retrieved it?
A. My understanding is you received copies both of our extraction reports and of the full forensic images of the original data.
Q. I think you said, I don’t know that you identified, that as to the device, the laptop, it came into the possession of the government in December of 2019?
A. Yes.
Q. You understand that from the invoice that you showed about a repair shop that it was brought, according to the owner, in April of that year?
A. Yes. The invoice is dated in April.
Q. So can you tell what happened between the time the invoice indicates that device was brought to the shop and when the FBI acquired it six months later?
A. No.
Q. You are aware from your investigation that the person who claims to have gotten it in April indicates he made copies —
MR. HINES: Objection.
MR. LOWELL: I’ll withdraw the question.
THE COURT: Sustained.
BY MR. LOWELL: Q. Will you put up government Exhibit 40? So this is an invoice you identified yesterday, and I referred to, dated the 17th; right?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated that that’s one of the things you obtained from the data that was recovered and that was extracted and that you had reviewed?
A. Yes.
Q. And the date of this is the 17th; right?
A. The date of the e-mail is the 17th.
Q. But you know from your investigation that the person who sent this indicates that he got this device five days before?
A. I know from the investigation that yes, it was reported that it was April 12th.
Q. Do you have any notion of what happened in that device between April he 12th, where your investigation indicates that’s when the person acquired it, and April 17th when he sent the invoice?
A. I have some knowledge, but it’s through somebody else’s statements.
Q. So no firsthand knowledge?
A. No firsthand knowledge.
Q. Now, the last point on this. If the person acquired it in April, and the FBI says it acquired that in December, six months later, did your investigation indicate whether what was put on that machine in April was the way it was originally done by Hunter before then?
A. I’m sorry, ask that one more time.
Q. I didn’t say that right. Benchmarks. April 2019, the person says “I got the device.” Right?
A. Yes.
Q. December of 2019, the FBI acquires it?
A. Yes.
Q. What I’m asking is, did you do an analysis to determine whether on the date that this person says he got it, the data he got was in the format, content, or in any way what had originally been put there by Mr. Biden?
A. You’re asking if on the 12th the person that received it?
Q. I’m asking whatever that person got on the 12th, was the way it was originally put, do you know? Did you do an analysis? Did you find out whether any of the files had been tampered with, added to, or subtracted?
A. I did not. Right, I did not.

Xavier5:


I mentioned child healthcare and welfare systems. With such, if a woman is known to be a drug addict, the government steps in to prevent her from doing that with the needed policies and healthcare.

And when she gives birth and it is determined that she can't cater for that child, then the well funded orphanage system comes in to cater for the child. If there's a relative that's willing to shoulder that responsibility, then the child can be handed over to them. If money is the issue for the relatives, then the well funded child support system comes in.

But I also emphasized the allowance of temporal pro-choice until the mentioned system, which I personally call the Abortion Mitigating System aka AMS, is effectively established.


#Xavier

Prevent her how exactly? What if she is not known to be an addict? And what about those addicts who knowing that the government 'steps in' won’t go and see a doctor? Don’t you think your ideas will increase the number of women who hide their pregnancies to dump the baby later in the trash?

What if a woman, out of shame or because of pressure or whatever reason, decides to keep the child she wanted to abort but couldn’t, maltreats it because the child is not wanted?

Well-funded orphanage? How much money is a government willing to spend on unwanted children when even the school system is underfunded? How many workers will be in charge of how many children?

Xavier5:


If you even took your time to read my write-ups, I made it clear that despite the existence of the universal intrinsic knowing of the intrinsic value of human life, ......

As soon as I read, "the universal intrinsic knowing", which you haven't bothered to show exists, my mind just shuts down to whatever follows, because its like asking me to join in a venture with you that relies on hot water being 0⁰C.

Just saying. And I doubt I'm the only one.

IjeBos:


The problem is you spend your life watching youtube videos, being told how to think.
Like Raumdeuter, you don't read and have 0 reference of the US court system.
You don't even seem to be a competent tech person. Not understanding data.

The laptop was admitted into evidence solely for a few documents they were verified.
The judge probably made a bad ruling as there should have been a forensic report filed authenticating the laptop. There wasn't.
The FBI agent testified that she didn't see any tempering, but she didn't even look and she has a small understanding of it.
She only looked at the documents she was given to look at.
Again, the laptop has not been fully verified. People can't even say that the info on the laptop didn't come from other places.

From Hunter Biden's attorney's cross examination of the FBI witness on the Stand at Hunter's Trial

only a sick person will believe Russian collusion and question this.
i don't have the time to go into the rabbit hole of what is a fact. Hunter dropped his laptop in a repair shop and the contents of it are legit. no one hacked Hunter's phone to get all those photos, voicemails, and emails.

LordReed:


If it was our normal verbal sparring, I won't be bothered but this was supposed to be a polite conversation. Do you know me to be reticent about lobbing insults back at people on here. Even you can attest that I have done it to you. This was supposed to be different. Maybe I misplaced my expectations.

No one sets the rules here. you should expect what you can get from a forum like this from what you have been seeing on this thread for months now. And again, no one insulted you, they only called your idea or statement ridiculous. that is fine. if you find it offensive, then you should not be discussing it with xavier5 in the firstplace

kkins25:


I think, women who are that careless usually end up in jail and charged with murder if the baby is born with developmental problems.

No they do not usually end up in jail!

She can be a heroin junky all through her pregnancy, and still not be jailed despite making her baby a junkie too. A lot of those babies actually die, and she still would not be jailed.

wirinet:

No. They are displaying their sexuality in public. You don't see heterosexuals displaying their sexuality in public.

Really? I saw a couple flirting in the park, and a couple are kissing at the busstop. Is that public sexuality enough for you, or must they show their sex bits to qualify?

bemeruca:


only a sick person will believe Russian collusion and question this.
i don't have the time to go into the rabbit hole of what is a fact. Hunter dropped his laptop in a repair shop and the contents of it are legit. no one hacked Hunter's phone to get all those photos, voicemails, and emails.

The guy who lives in a rabbit hole gets cooked by actual facts and now says he has no time for rabbit holes.
The FBI agent the Government called as a witness in Hunter's trial said she did not verify all the contents of the laptop.

Yes, only a sick person would believe the Russians would perpetrated an Operation on the son of Presidential Candidate they don't want elected to help Trump who personally calls Putin, by stealing Hunter's info from other places, placing it on a laptop, then giving that laptop to a partially blind Computer Tech who didn't have a surveillance system in his store who somehow got it to Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, totally unbelievable Russian op.

LordReed:


I am not. I am showing you just how subjective it all is. You kill other animals but if they kill a human you get angry, why? You have more value for a human than any other animal. Do you think animals should value members of their own species above humans?

this is false equivalence and an absurd statement from you.
your argument assumes that human beings valuing human life more compared to animals is the same as animals valuing animals or their species over humans. This is so wrong as we know animals do not possess the same moral reasoning or ethical frameworks as me you or budaatum do

animals might consider ethical questions about species preference the same way humans do? you ignore the fact that humans, due to our advanced cognition and societal structures, hold themselves to different ethical standards than animals.

so what are you talking about?

IjeBos:



The guy who lives in a rabbit hole gets cooked by actual facts and now says he has no time for rabbit holes.
The FBI agent the Government called as a witness in Hunter's trial said she did not verify all the contents of the laptop.

Yes, only a sick person would believe the Russians would perpetrated an Operation on the son of Presidential Candidate they don't want elected to help Trump who personally calls Putin, by stealing Hunter's info from other places, placing it on a laptop, then giving that laptop to a partially blind Computer Tech who didn't have a surveillance system in his store who somehow got it to Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, totally unbelievable Russian op.

So Trump bought a laptop and forged Hunter's email and voice notes. olodo hahaha

Xavier5:


I mentioned child healthcare and welfare systems. With such, if a woman is known to be a drug addict, the government steps in to prevent her from doing that with the needed policies and healthcare.

Show me just one instance of a government anywhere stepping in with anything to prevent a pregnant drug addict from taking her drugs.

Maeve7:


Prevent her how exactly? What if she is not known to be an addict? And what about those addicts who knowing that the government 'steps in' won’t go and see a doctor? Don’t you think your ideas will increase the number of women who hide their pregnancies to dump the baby later in the trash?

As I said, policies and healthcare. Regarding policies, If you were to be the government, what policies would you create to prevent the woman from doing so? And what efforts would you take to make this addicts comply? Think about that, you will get your answer.

Secondly, if nobody knows about it then there's nothing that can be done. But as far as there are people in her life, awareness of her addiction won't go unnoticed. So which means the case of someone not knowing is highly unlikely.

Thirdly, no woman will dump her baby in the trash, not when there's a well funded orphanage and child support system. And with this system in place, any woman caught dumping her child in the trash will and should be punished with the law.

What if a woman, out of shame or because of pressure or whatever reason, decides to keep the child she wanted to abort but couldn’t, maltreats it because the child is not wanted?

As the government, what would you do if you discover a woman was maltreating her child in this context or scenario? Therein lies your answer.

Well-funded orphanage? How much money is a government willing to spend on unwanted children when even the school system is underfunded? How many workers will be in charge of how many children?

A government that cares will be willing to spend to keep those children safe and cared for. If the government is willing to spend on unneeded things like wars, then they should be willing to spend some portion of that money on child support and orphanage.

And secondly, this isn't only the responsibility of the government. But with collaborative effort of willing individuals and organizations also, such systems can very well be created and funded. As I said, it's going to take time, efforts and resources, but it's possible.

And aside that, remember, we are talking about unwanted pregnancies. The system I mentioned include subsidizing birth controls to make it affordable, accessible and available which goes a long way to significantly reduce unwanted pregnancies if effectively done. So the issue of unwanted pregnancies only come into play in few cases, not in the majority of cases.

But I will always emphasis the allowance of temporal pro-choice until the the mentioned system is effectively in place.


#Xavier

bemeruca:


So [b]Trump [/b]bought a laptop and forged Hunter's email and voice notes. olodo hahaha

Russia did. Which is something up their ally of kompromat.
Here we go. Captain Intellectual Dishonesty's sidekick in action.
But I guess you realize Trump and Russia are synonymous.

I hope your children got your Baby Momma's genes. Esp. since you believe criminality is genetic.
You're a stupid dishonest f*ck.