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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Love800(m): 12:30pm On Nov 29
I wanted to hear it from your own view. Definitely i will still ask the internet. But its good to get knowledge from different sources and then put dem together and get a great definition of that particular thing. So you are one of the source.

If you don't still want to share, no problem. Thanks so much.
ivandragon:


The Internet is your friend.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by studyless123: 12:32pm On Nov 29
ceejayluv:

I beg to differ. To truly industrialize Nigeria, we need huge investments, power sector reforms and whole lots of favourable laws and policies. For example, the dangote refinery has been recruiting graduate engineers for years now and recently employed over 200 graduate trainees. Imagine what 20 of such investments will absorb. The skills graduates possess are more valuable in such industries as there are opportunities for research and development.
Of course, more Artisans Will even be needed in the construction and operating stage as well.

It's clear you didn't listen to the video. He was specific about human resources. His argument was about developing skilled labour rather than universities churning out unemployed graduates like pure water. Nigeria lacks skilled labourers.
The Dangote refinery you're speaking about if you've visited there during the construction phase, you'll understand his point better. I worked there briefly and understand that the country lacks skilled labour. There are millions of unemployed/underemployed graduates out there and you're talking about 200 graduate trainees, find out the recruitment process and many would give up easily. As a skilled labourer myself, I had the opportunity to train many graduates while I was in Nigeria. Most of them are doing very well for themselves.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Love800(m): 12:32pm On Nov 29
Banking and finance, accounting, business administration, are they not technical?
yesloaded:


Says who?

OSCOTECH supposed to be college of technology but go there and see the kind of courses the school offers

What you will hear is Banking and Finance, Accounting, Business Administration etc

Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 12:34pm On Nov 29
Softmirror:


You mean your narrow mindset can't grasp the simple commentsI made? But how can it when you took Oshomole's words literally. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Since his words are not to be taken literally as his spokesman?
Kindly explain how his comments should be taken

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 12:35pm On Nov 29
ivandragon:


Again, read to understand my comment.

I clearly referred to unfavourable socio-economic conditions as an impediment to industrialisation. So how is your point different from mine?

Are you ready to list all that is wrong with Nigeria on this case?
The "unfavorable socioeconomic conditions" in Nigeria runs far deeper than you're stating it. It's not just about recognizing the values of technical jobs; it's about addressing the systemic issues that have led to widespread poverty, inequality and lack of quality life that the technical workforce is facing.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by studyless123: 12:36pm On Nov 29
wirinet:

Imagine. Nothing Musa no go hear for gate. So na bricklayers and iron benders go develop Nigeria? Na bricklayers and iron benders develop UK, US, Germany, Japan, China, etc.?
Maybe we should start hiring bricklayers and iron benders in government, in our refineries, in our powers stations, even in our universities.

The most stupid suggestion I have ever heard.

The millions of graduates that Nigeria have churned out, what have they developed? I've conducted several interviews and found many of them unemployable. The smart ones end up learning skills. There's more demand for skilled labour than university graduates. The country doesn't lack university graduates but lack skilled labourers.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by yesloaded: 12:40pm On Nov 29
Love800:
Banking and finance, accounting, business administration, are they not technical?

lol

Go and give your building plan to a graduate of biz admin make e read am and explain to mason on how you want the building to look sir

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Tecno66: 12:42pm On Nov 29
madridguy:
How many technical college/school you build as a governor or as a senator Pa Adams?
Don't mind him o. He built a university in his village and he is saying we don't need university graduates. He should have built a technical college there instead. Shameless politicians. They speak with both sides of the mouth. When he was nlc president, he insisted on payment of salaries for the days workers went on strike. When he became governor, he implemented no work, no pay.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by BlessedGift: 12:42pm On Nov 29
Deep thoughts
studyless123:


The millions of graduates that Nigeria have churned out, what have they developed? I've conducted several interviews and found many of them unemployable. The smart ones end up learning skills. There's more demand for skilled labour than university graduates. The country doesn't lack university graduates but lack skilled labourers.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by studyless123: 12:43pm On Nov 29
IamANigerianMan:

Their children are schooling in one of the best university in the world but the children of the poor should go and learn Plumber so that they will continue to rule them

You use the word "best universities" If you have the means go and school there but if you don't, it's better you learn a skill than going to a many Nigerian universities.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Proudlyngwa(m): 12:54pm On Nov 29
yongg:




The plenty that know, have we kept them and provide a system for them to raise and develop other Nigerian engineers in a sustainable manner while keeping them active working?

Is this not why we loose talent to other climes?

They job of an engineer is to solve problem, if he can't solve his employment problem that is his problem.

Our educational system is very very flawed.

What we need is more technicians and a better certification system.

Just like doctors we should make it very very difficult to become an engineer.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 12:55pm On Nov 29
lexy2014:


in all you have said, I dont see anywhere you showed that you have a very good understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

The comment was not meant for you. If you want to be educated there are educational materials you can read up on 'collared' workforce.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Tommydare(m): 12:56pm On Nov 29
Stupid man. As if there are no bricklayers, carpenters etc in the country. He should encourage his children to become iron benders as well. Eleribu gbogbo
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 12:57pm On Nov 29
smokinloud:

The "unfavorable socioeconomic conditions" in Nigeria runs far deeper than you're stating it. It's not just about recognizing the values of technical jobs; it's about addressing the systemic issues that have led to widespread poverty, inequality and lack of quality life that the technical workforce is facing.

Again, read to understand.

Socioeconomic conditions are varied and affect people differently.

You guys should learn to read according to context or are you expecting me to list out every problem with the system as it affects blue collared jobs in Nigeria?
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by BlessedGift: 12:58pm On Nov 29
Harsh please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFFcC-GyII

Tommydare:
Stupid man. As if there are no bricklayers, carpenters etc in the country. He should encourage his children to become iron benders as well. Eleribu gbogbo
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 12:59pm On Nov 29
Love800:
I wanted to hear it from your own view. Definitely i will still ask the internet. But its good to get knowledge from different sources and then put dem together and get a great definition of that particular thing. So you are one of the source.

If you don't still want to share, no problem. Thanks so much.

The Internet is your friend. I when I say Internet, kindly see research publications.

Interpretations differ, so it is best you do your own research and arrive at your own conclusions.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:02pm On Nov 29
smokinloud:

Individuals like Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, who didn't complete university, aren't artisans. Instead, they're self-taught innovators who took theoretical concepts developed by university graduates, ultimately revolutionizing their industries.

That is why I keep saying must of you do not read to understand.

Do you think at the time they were coming up with thier innovations they did not need to be technical or build/fabricate equipment?

That they have become successful does not negate or devalue thier humble upbringing.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:03pm On Nov 29
remzytimer:
why did he not train his children as one, wicked ones looking for all possible means to enslave people.


It doesn't change the fact of the nature of society.

You need blue collared workers.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by studyless123: 1:04pm On Nov 29
Kukutente23:

So you've looked around you didn't see bricklayer and ironbender in your environment.
Now contrast with if you've ever come across a lathe machine design specialist in Nigeria

Both of them are skilled. Many people need the services of a bricklayer and few people need the services of a lathe machine specialists.
I used the services of lathe machine specialists in PH. Only a few of us used his services because it's not for the general public.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:06pm On Nov 29
wirinet:


The redded quote is correct but only partially. The backbone of industrialisation particularly in the 21st century is first and foremost Science and Technology, followed by Energy. Without cheap and available source of energy industrialisation cannot get off the ground. Then followed by a machine tool industry. You need machines that would make the tools and machines for making products.
Then you need highly skilled engineers to design and build infrastructures for the industries. Blue collar jobs are the last piece of the industrialisation puzzle. Some countries don't even bother with blue collar workers as they are the cheapest to produce and their wage is also the cheapest in the whole equation, they simply import blue collar workers from poor countries.

In this era of AI, machine learning and robotics, many of the functions of blue color workers can be undertaken by machines.

Hope you know industrialisation can be classified into phases and/or eras? Society did not just magically start using robots.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 1:07pm On Nov 29
ivandragon:


Again, read to understand.

Socioeconomic conditions are varied and affect people differently.

You guys should learn to read according to context or are you expecting me to list out every problem with the system as it affects blur collared jobs in Nigeria?
I agree with you. God bless you.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:08pm On Nov 29
ceejayluv:

If you Read My last sentence, I wrote That of course, more Artisans Will be needed at the construction and operating stage.
Oya, let the artisans design the turbines, machineries, etc2.

From your statement, you obviously still do not understand the concept of blue collar.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:09pm On Nov 29
smokinloud:

I agree with you. God bless you.

God bless you too.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 1:11pm On Nov 29
ivandragon:


That is why I keep saying must of you do not read to understand.

Do you think at the time they were coming up with thier innovations they did not need to be technical or build/fabricate equipment?

That they have become successful does not negate or devalue thier humble upbringing.
But most of them are not professionals in the field. Maybe they hired the services of technical expertise.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:12pm On Nov 29
Enskynelson:

If indeed what he is saying is true, how come they still pay brick layers very small in this country? If indeed Nigeria is short of these, their pay should have been high to attract people into the job.
Nigerians don't care about certs. If cert is our problem, a Bank Manager won't resign to be a cleaner in Canada! Let them pay brick layers good money and people will abandon their school for the job.

Oshiomole got this completely wrong.

Is there a problem with you people reading to understand?

I clearly said the socioeconomic conditions and value system for technical job in nigeria are poor. So how do your questions negate my opinion? You are simply upholding my opinion.

Oshiomole's opinion is his, but society is also what it is.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:14pm On Nov 29
smokinloud:

But most of them are not professionals in the field. Maybe they hired the services of technical expertise.

Professional or not, as at the time they were starting out and doing installations, they would have been classified as blue collared workers.

People get certifications you know...
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:15pm On Nov 29
Tradepunter2:


Do you know what industrialization actually means??

Do you know what technical means?
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:16pm On Nov 29
BlessedGift:
Hmmmm, but we can copy other developed countries and make the labour they put in worthwhile

Exactly. Which is why I made reference to poor socioeconomic conditions and value system.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by studyless123: 1:16pm On Nov 29
yongg:
So just because you need artisans you want to do away with the community that actually make their work better?

Without varsity product where do you think the new technology better than the previous or currently used ones will come from?

Who will be behind the research and development necessary to reduce material use, energy use (from creation, to end use operations), while increasing product output and general optimization and ultimately make life simpler?
Must you sweat for a monotonous task or task you can automate so you can use that time you would have spent doing it to do something more meaningful like solve another problem?

This is another symptom of "na statistics we go chop" bite only a largely illiterate population chorus after someone who's expected to be educated made while campaigning for the number 1 seat of power in the country. Such a daft statement. The imports that the FG likes so much is them eating statistics of other serious governments. So you prefer to expensively spend to chop other peoples statistics rather than develop your own resources which is better, economically cost effective and vast in quantity available to you?


When has there been a lack of artisanry and a standardization of rates and trade in the country ?

If the society that needs this is serious they know what to do else any private business can take it upon themselves to set a standard let the government that has been slumbering in its duties get motivation to do the right thing concerning their responsibilities.

It's not by writting long epistles. It's the emphasis we place on varsity education that's why we are where we are. The millions of university graduates that we have, what are they doing? Meanwhile we lack technical institutes to train skilled workers. I assume you're not in the field of R&grin so I will excuse what you wrote. FYI, Nigeria lacks skilled labour, I had several times engaged foreigners to perform tasks that I couldn't source locally.

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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:19pm On Nov 29
pepericozi:


How many companies are established by government self. Instead, they prefer to embezzle and keep the money under their pillow

That is a different discussion entirely.

Besides, government is supposed to provide conducive environments for the private sector to grow organically and in the best interest of the society.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by ivandragon: 1:21pm On Nov 29
Stayingalive:
stop taking weed
You’re trying to make sense of people who stole our future and turn around to call us names. Do you know what people go through in school for 4 years and only for the old fool to say this stupid thing. Who is now to be blamed? The guys who went to school?

Stop making dinner from dustbin

Another dumbo.

People like you go to tertiary institutions and come out dumber.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by obailala(m): 1:25pm On Nov 29
djon78:




If they are paid peanuts then why do you blame those that want to study where they can be paid better

People like oshiomole are totally obsolete

They don't even have a clue of how things are now

Bricklayer's, carpenters are paid well in developed countries like the US UK Canada EU etc

So Nigerian elites should find out how others do it

The problem is the economy!... That the economy is bad doesn't necessarily invalidate the point being made that skilled technicians and artisans are more needed than degree holders in driving industrisation.

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