pansophist:
The economy is like a Capucinno coffee. Where the rich, dark coffee brew sits under, while the white, sugary foam rests on top.

Most people that are doing the real work are blue collar, while the white collars ones are sprinkled on top, overshadowing the real heros that are engines of the economy.

Delete almost all the entertainers, newscasters, politicians, real estate agents, etc from my life and I swear I won't miss them, but the farmers, soldiers, bricklayers, drivers, cleaners will make everyday life crumble instantly.

ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.

Douglad:


it is a cycle. most of the customer base of these farmers, drivers and cleaners are the white collar workers. eliminate the jobs of these white collar workers and these artisans lose their customers and see a drop in wages like we see in nigeria today. you cannot elevate the importance of blue collar workers above that of white collar works because without them the blue collar workers will cease to exist and that is the fact of it all.

you cannot have productive or high earning blue collar workers without a solid white collar middle class that does not even bleeping exist again in our country today. oshomole is not saying anything important or groundbreaking here. he is a fuckiing populist saying absolute crap and he knows that if he laces a bit of spice and sugar to his nonsense, people will agree without thinking twice about it. our economy is bad and fuckiing atrocious. the supposed "lack" of artisans, which is actually not true cos they are only closing their shops due to lack of demand, is an effect of it and not the core feature/problem.

obailala:

Lol... you think if Nigeria was an industrialised nation with a functioning economy, a university trained agric engineer will be the one mounting a tractor to harvest maize in a farm?

In industrialised nations, you really think its university trained engineers who work in 12 hour shifts, standing in manufacturing assembly lines to mass produce and package equipment, machines and other products?

Lol... You're actually a victim of Nigeria's failed economy, that's why you can't differentiate the roles of an engineer from a technician.

ivandragon:


Thank you.

I don't get what some people are criticising about reality.

It is because of the way our society is that we look down on such people.

80% of the foreigners in nigeria that are engaged in the construction industry do not have tertiary level qualifications. What is needed in such fields are professional certifications and practical experience.

RolexOfGeneva:

Artisans cannot lead innovation. They'd only work with existing ideas even till the next thousand of years. Europe was developed with science and engineering, not artisanship.

ivandragon:


So the science and engineering just came out of thin air? Straight from the brain of the innovator into reality right?

Then every time the machine breaks down, the innovator magically knows and telepathically repairs the machine right?

Ok. I agree with you.

studyless123:


The italicized is not true. I'll filter through your polities and economics. Nigeria lacks skilled labour. In a school of barbering I visited sometime ago, it takes about 1 year to learn barbing. It was strange to many Nigerians why it took so long just for barbing.
The point is the higher your skillset, the more valuable you become. Most of the artisans you're talking about closing shops don't actually know what they're doing, they're just "hustlers". I engaged a tiler locally that made me got another tiler from Togo and the difference in their work was visible to the blind. I have worked with many artisans and always have to supervise them closely or sometimes get another artisan to redo the work. You're not in the field so it's easy to sit down and ascribe everything to politics.

AllenSpencer:


Not only construction. Petro chemicals and IT

Most of those Indians and caucasians went to technical schools. Especially Indians, some did not even go anywhere and just learnt the craft from experts. But they be in Nigerian controlling our so called “ENGINEERS” 🤣🤣🤣

Kbrule:


Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?

BlessedGift:
We all need one another to survive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFFcC-GyII

ivandragon:


Professional or not, as at the time they were starting out and doing installations, they would have been classified as blue collared workers.

People get certifications you know...

studyless123:


Both of them are skilled. Many people need the services of a bricklayer and few people need the services of a lathe machine specialists.
I used the services of lathe machine specialists in PH. Only a few of us used his services because it's not for the general public.

studyless123:


It's not by writting long epistles. It's the emphasis we place on varsity education that's why we are where we are. The millions of university graduates that we have, what are they doing? Meanwhile we lack technical institutes to train skilled workers. I assume you're not in the field of R& so I will excuse what you wrote. FYI, Nigeria lacks skilled labour, I had several times engaged foreigners to perform tasks that I couldn't source locally.

studyless123:


It's clear you didn't listen to the video. He was specific about human resources. His argument was about developing skilled labour rather than universities churning out unemployed graduates like pure water. Nigeria lacks skilled labourers.
The Dangote refinery you're speaking about if you've visited there during the construction phase, you'll understand his point better. I worked there briefly and understand that the country lacks skilled labour. There are millions of unemployed/underemployed graduates out there and you're talking about 200 graduate trainees, find out the recruitment process and many would give up easily. As a skilled labourer myself, I had the opportunity to train many graduates while I was in Nigeria. Most of them are doing very well for themselves.

ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.

ceejayluv:

I was replying another poster and not the main topic. Besides, I stated that we need more large scale investments like Dangote. The more industrialized we become, the more everyone - trades or graduates - Will find a place to fit in.

Sheuns:
Why did you not choose the path of bricklaying and iron bending?

You have children and grandchildren. Start from them too.

madridguy:
How many technical college/school you build as a governor or as a senator Pa Adams?

smokinloud:

Zuckerberg for instance was instrumental in creating Facebook, it's likely that he hired technical experts to handle tasks like coding, database design, server setup etc. although he may have been involved in some hands-on work, his role is more accurately described as that of an entrepreneur rather than a blue-collar worker.

Enskynelson:

If indeed what he is saying is true, how come they still pay brick layers very small in this country? If indeed Nigeria is short of these, their pay should have been high to attract people into the job.
Nigerians don't care about certs. If cert is our problem, a Bank Manager won't resign to be a cleaner in Canada! Let them pay brick layers good money and people will abandon their school for the job.

Oshiomole got this completely wrong.

deavicky:
How many of those jobs are available out there compare to the number of those already in the business.

ivandragon:


From your statement, you obviously still do not understand the concept of blue collar.

studyless123:


It's clear you didn't listen to the video. He was specific about human resources. His argument was about developing skilled labour rather than universities churning out unemployed graduates like pure water. Nigeria lacks skilled labourers.
The Dangote refinery you're speaking about if you've visited there during the construction phase, you'll understand his point better. I worked there briefly and understand that the country lacks skilled labour. There are millions of unemployed/underemployed graduates out there and you're talking about 200 graduate trainees, find out the recruitment process and many would give up easily. As a skilled labourer myself, I had the opportunity to train many graduates while I was in Nigeria. Most of them are doing very well for themselves.

ceejayluv:

I studied Mechanical Engineering and I went through hands-on technical training and rose to Maintenance Supervisor (Multi Skilled) position in a large scale industry.
So,no, The concept is not alien to me in any way.

yongg:
So just because you need artisans you want to do away with the community that actually make their work better?

Without varsity product where do you think the new technology better than the previous or currently used ones will come from?

Who will be behind the research and development necessary to reduce material use, energy use (from creation, to end use operations), while increasing product output and general optimization and ultimately make life simpler?
Must you sweat for a monotonous task or task you can automate so you can use that time you would have spent doing it to do something more meaningful like solve another problem?

This is another symptom of "na statistics we go chop" bite only a largely illiterate population chorus after someone who's expected to be educated made while campaigning for the number 1 seat of power in the country. Such a daft statement. The imports that the FG likes so much is them eating statistics of other serious governments. So you prefer to expensively spend to chop other peoples statistics rather than develop your own resources which is better, economically cost effective and vast in quantity available to you?


When has there been a lack of artisanry and a standardization of rates and trade in the country ?

If the society that needs this is serious they know what to do else any private business can take it upon themselves to set a standard let the government that has been slumbering in its duties get motivation to do the right thing concerning their responsibilities.

ivandragon:


Good for you.

So why bother with the technical training if you feel blue collar skills are relatively irrelevant?

Have you designed or patented any mechanical tool or system?

Lovit:


Bro look at the message and not the messenger, he spoke the truth

In essence what he is saying is that we need to create a balance by giving more attention to blue collar jobs and train even our university engineers on more hands-on skills. of what use is an engineering degree when the holder can't roll up his sleeves and come up with a technical drawing that will aid production? how many of our engineers can handle spanners and lathe machines onsite?

skills drives production and the economy and not paper certificates. Also the govt and organizations needs to create a balance by encouraging those with technical skills. abroad, those with technical skills earns more, over there it is about what you can do and not what you know

So, when Oshiomole says bricklayers and iron benders, he is generally referring to blue collar and technical job skills

BuhariAdvocate:
Oshiomole one of the corrupted politician in Nigeria.

ceejayluv:

Well, during the course of work, I have had reasons to redesign certain machine components that were prone to failure, which were produced in our workshop. It happens often that we even give recommendations to the machine manufacturer.


And where did I state that blue collar skills are irrelevant? It's oshiomhole that's trivializing white collar skills because of politics - trying to defend Nigeria's leadership failure and subsequent lack of industrialization. Where did he get the idea That graduates areonly good for government jobs?