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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 1:46am On Sep 20, 2013 |
ayobj: Guys there is no need to brandish insults.i am glad you said the truth, these are the reasons i have always said this country is wicked and useless! the leaders and followers, like you have said dont plan for the future, neither do they plan for the youths, graduates, students, workers, even the medical Doctors (rare special breed) nor the children or unborn infants. in countries such as the U.S.A, there is what is called a MAJOR Bsc degree, a short term MINOR bachelor degree and an ASSOCIATE degree that gives a STUDENT plenty of options and opportunities, such that the graduate does not get stucked or stranded like majority of these innocent BMS graduates (90%) are right now! unfortunately, these options are strangely not available in Nigeria. in developed countries every medic be it BMS, physicians (Docs), pharm, nurses, lab scientist all have vital role to play in the health sector and these proffessionals are allowed to effectively express themselves and function without any undue obstruction! thats why you see people from the world over rushing there for treatment. Doctor, remember that the Bible said that a house divided against itself cannot and will never stand. if you look very well you will notice this rancours hardly occurs in the Building/Engineering sector. the engineers and builders or Architects nothwithstanding the nature of their work are far more organised than the health sector! i hope forumites see reason with this post of mine. these associate programs should be reinstated so that these graduates will be usefull to society and i suggest other graduate associate programs in other proffessions should also be designed or created as this will help in greatly brdging the skill gap. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by cahnellven: 3:21am On Sep 20, 2013 |
am an anatomy student 4rm a federal uni,n i can tel u . .d future z bleak for us basic medical science students.may God help us |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by sonnie10: 4:12am On Sep 20, 2013 |
In a place like the USA, a first degree in biological/ physical science is usually the prerequisite for admission into medical college or MSc then to research programs and PhD. In most cases, people who are in these programs do not expect to graduate with a B.sc and start working. Those who want to work opt for relatively short school years (2 or 4) mostly the associate degree, but a few go for the BSc. Clinical internship begins from the first day of class till graduation in such programs. The standard is such that they are required to show certain level of competencies in related procedures before they are even qualified to sit for board exams. You can memorize all the chapters of the textbooks in your course of study, but until you carry out a real procedure on patient that, is when your worth would be proven. The medical field is like learning a trade (apprentice), with a twist of academic work. The work place (hospital, clinic and labs) is not a place to go unprepared. The students in those places work under good supervision. Remember there are liability issues. No employer would risk it, and again "resources are usually limited" for those organization to think of a year or more training for a new employee. Such training should be in school. Do the curriculum in BMS schools include topics such as basic patient care, basic/advance life support, first aid, liability and regulatory issues, Basic medical equipment troubleshooting and maintenance etc.? In conclusion, students who need to move directly from school into the workforce need to have enough patient contact hours. The hours can be acquired in form of internship, clinical rotations, volunteer hours etc. Nigerian higher education system/curriculum need to be restructured in order for the graduates to be more marketable. Why are we not looking at what is going on in the rest of the world? The last time I checked, there is nothing like a bachelors of science in Anatomy and Physiology or BSc Microbiology in the USA. BSc Biochemistry is even under sciences and not Medical school as we have in Nigeria. It is time we stopped all these deception or call it misconceptions, so that people would know exactly want they are in for from inception. BMS graduates have more career advancement options but need to understand the duration and amount of work that it entails. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 5:11am On Sep 20, 2013 |
Emzybrown: what mlscn is doing is actually wrong. in usa bsc genetics,microbiology,biochemistry etc just need to be a diplomate and licence to work in lab. the lab could be reference,research,clinical,physcian office lab. there are a lot of licencing bodies . so it gives room for competition. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 5:22am On Sep 20, 2013 |
Dranatomy: I graduated with Anatomy degree in 2010..served. 2011...Worked 2012 till date in a Government owned mortuary... Presently, I pack close to 200k home every month but am still planning for masters cuz humiliation is too much in hospital settings with Doctors "pathologists "clashing wit my office daily! why are pathologists clashing with u? You must be involving in sharp practices. i know of some mortuary attendants who make illegal money thru lying to diseased relatives. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Dranatomy: 7:11am On Sep 20, 2013 |
Spare me d insult Young man! |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 7:45am On Sep 20, 2013 |
marvelling: ok |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by mfrekeituen: 7:55am On Sep 20, 2013 |
All we need is a curriculum review |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 8:27am On Sep 20, 2013 |
jelmusboy:Bro...pls i'm also a ladokite but i was given "PURE AND APPLIED PHYSICS". I don't really know much about that course..... I need your advice....so that i'll decide which department to cross to when i get to 200 level before it's too late for me. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by mindthing: 8:28am On Sep 20, 2013 |
I have a B.sc in Human Physiology from one of the federal universities in this country, and i can say outright that there is little professional niche for the basic medical sciences in Nigeria. I have personally never looked at my discipline as a meal ticket in itself, because right from when i was in school (i graduated in 2004), even doctors (MBBS holders) had started having their own challenges. I often looked at the kind of cars they drove and how they dressed and simply knew i wanted far more than that. So i started writing my IT certifications from 300L. Now i am almost 10 years in my field of IT, an esoteric field at that because it wasn't vastly popular at the time, and i see my colleagues who are now doctors now not even anywhere close to me in terms of earnings and standing... in actual fact, lots of them have gone either into research (overseas), into business or into administrative medicine because of the allure of the lucre... practice simply cuts it no more (ditto the strikes and protests etc in the health sector these days). So what is my point? 1. Realize that little niche exists for para-medicine in this country 2. Go overseas if you can, para-meds have better working hours and really good pay there, especially in the US, UK and Asia 3. Get your Physiology/Anatomy certificate, and get an education with it, not just literacy. You will find that a little dexterity when applying the kind of mind that got you your degree in the first place to other disciplines will yield amazing results; and 4. Quit whining and start figuring out which of 2 & 3 you wanna do. Better to start late than never. Good hunting. 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Bome01(m): 8:58am On Sep 20, 2013 |
I losed motivation right from my 200L when my course adviser told me plainly that the best you can get from physiology in the Nigerian state is a Lecturing Job (we all can't be lecturers, can we?). I'm serving now, and I'm trying to move on from physiology by doing professional courses in other fields. I would have loved to join in the fight for our long overdue recognition. . . But, fellas, i can't wait that long! |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Greatpooss(m): 11:45am On Sep 20, 2013 |
It's so sad that majority of Nigerian students willing to study medicine or professional medical courses were not admitted for their chosen courses, and prospective students would still not gain admission to study their preferred courses, because of hinderance and barriers from our callous leaders and government, despite Nigerian trained medical doctors leaving the shore of Nigeria on daily basis for greener pastures abroad. To the concerned(physiologists, anatomists, biochemists etc), it's ultimately and urgently an high time you stood for your indeprivable right to be relevant. Afterall, I waited for 5years seeking admission to study medicine but ended up gaining admission to study zoology(more irrelevant in Nigeria) in one of the strike ridden universities(UniAbuja). Nigerian youths: stop folding your arms doing nothing, waiting for miracles but stand up for your right. It is time! 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
Greatpooss: It's so sad that majority of Nigerian students willing to study medicine or professional medical courses were not admitted for their chosen courses, and prospective students would still not gain admission to study their preferred courses, because of hinderance and barriers from our callous leaders and government, despite Nigerian trained medical doctors leaving the shore of Nigeria on daily basis for greener pastures abroad. To the concerned(physiologists, anatomists, biochemists etc), it's ultimately and urgently an high time you stood for your indeprivable right to be relevant. Afterall, I waited for 5years seeking admission to study medicine but ended up gaining admission to study zoology(more irrelevant in Nigeria) in one of the strike ridden universities(UniAbuja). Nigerian youths: stop folding your arms doing nothing, waiting for miracles but stand up for your right. It is time!which ryt re u talkin about.......don t let ursef be use as an escape goat .......i guarantee u......u re in kirikiri.... Greatpooss: It's so sad that majority of Nigerian students willing to study medicine or professional medical courses were not admitted for their chosen courses, and prospective students would still not gain admission to study their preferred courses, because of hinderance and barriers from our callous leaders and government, despite Nigerian trained medical doctors leaving the shore of Nigeria on daily basis for greener pastures abroad. To the concerned(physiologists, anatomists, biochemists etc), it's ultimately and urgently an high time you stood for your indeprivable right to be relevant. Afterall, I waited for 5years seeking admission to study medicine but ended up gaining admission to study zoology(more irrelevant in Nigeria) in one of the strike ridden universities(UniAbuja). Nigerian youths: stop folding your arms doing nothing, waiting for miracles but stand up for your right. It is time!which ryt re u talkin about.......don t let ursef be use as an escape goat .......i guarantee u......u re in kirikiri.... |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by sparklebug: 2:10pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
i am a physiology graduate from unical, finished in 2004 with a second class upper. served in 2005 , while serving i applied to accenture, KPMG, price water , WAMCO and by feb 2006 got a job offer from WAMCO and GTBank, I chose GTBANK. worked there for a while and later moved to ZENITH and finally to my kitchen . After spending some years in my kitchen as a house wife, i went back for a masters in development studies which got me a volunteer position in a UKDFID sponsored project. I am warming up to get a permanent job on the project soon. there is a world of opportunities in the development world, I wish id volunteered earlier I would have gone very far in my career path by now. this is to encourage all graduates or students of basic medical science, yes, there is still light at the end of the tunnel. Dont let any one especially medical students make you feel like a looser! Its sad that our country really does not have a well cut out career path for us but rather than sit in a corner sulking work hard and come out with a good degree then keep your options open. if u can afford to, offer to volunteer with an implementing partner like Benguella, SFH, CIHP, FHI360 etc, there are so many of them out there. it might mean working without pay for some time but know that with the experience you get from them you will surely get something at the end. Best of luck and God bless!! 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by drealdoc89(m): 3:51pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
@acidosis:Pharmacology on the other hand is completely different from Pharmacy.. A Pharmacist cannot do the work of a Pharmacologist... Whats d work of a Pharmacologist? 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by chioma134: 5:26pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
sparklebug: i am a physiology graduate from unical, finished in 2004 with a second class upper. served in 2005 , while serving i applied to accenture, KPMG, price water , WAMCO and by feb 2006 got a job offer from WAMCO and GTBank, I chose GTBANK. worked there for a while and later moved to ZENITH and finally to my kitchen . After spending some years in my kitchen as a house wife, i went back for a masters in development studies which got me a volunteer position in a UKDFID sponsored project. I am warming up to get a permanent job on the project soon. there is a world of opportunities in the development world, I wish id volunteered earlier I would have gone very far in my career path by now. this is to encourage all graduates or students of basic medical science, yes, there is still light at the end of the tunnel. Dont let any one especially medical students make you feel like a looser! Its sad that our country really does not have a well cut out career path for us but rather than sit in a corner sulking work hard and come out with a good degree then keep your options open. if u can afford to, offer to volunteer with an implementing partner like Benguella, SFH, CIHP, FHI360 etc, there are so many of them out there. it might mean working without pay for some time but know that with the experience you get from them you will surely get something at the end. Best of luck and God bless!!I've been looking for people like you. What do you think about volunteering with an organization like UNV? Is it a good idea to leave a good but temporary govt work (like residency training) to go for an assignment? I've always wanted a career in public health. Do you think taking up the position will help further my dream career? Pls reply ASAP as I need to take a decision as soon as possible. I sent you an email. Pls check your email. By the way, we happen to have attended the same school and could be contemporaries. Thank |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by feyisan: 6:01pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
Never be discouraged about your present situation. Academic certificate is not only for financial gain. It never matters what you studied but opportunities you could factor your education to achieve is the key. Education is to be able to fashion out how you could progress from nothing. Think of other valuable things you could do rather than mourning. Please do not misunderstand me it just a piece of advice. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by lepasharon(f): 3:12am On Sep 21, 2013 |
Intersting discussions..because in the UK,you can use medical science courses to gain graduate entry to Medicine,so its not the same in Naija as for me im ok to work as a biomedical scientist in the lab |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Kdjmamar: 2:54pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
is it a most to work in hospital or lab? is it only doctors dat make it in life? abeg wise up am physiologist nd am makin my money, i mean cool money . just know that u re going to make it in dis world! sikena 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 3:53pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
lepasharon: Intersting discussions..because in the UK,you can use medical science courses to gain graduate entry to Medicine,so its not the same in Naija as for me im ok to work as a biomedical scientist in the labNigerians might be lazy, you know.... Most of them find life behind the microscope boring, that kept me wondering, why they studied biomedical sciences initially. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by marvelling(m): 5:23pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
adeaugustus: If we were lazy, we won't be having this discussion. Its unfortunate that you don't know the real issues behind the agitation that lead to the thread. If we had good and evenly spread medical research facilities and researchers were well enumerated, very few in BMS will seek clinical work as a career option. 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by lepasharon(f): 6:16pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
have u thought about graduate entry to medicine ^ |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by princeduke2013: 12:07am On Sep 23, 2013 |
what about geting an Mba with speciallization in health.it gives u a wider opportunity and chances.peace.any opinions and advice are welcom |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by sonnie10: 1:17am On Sep 23, 2013 |
princeduke 2013: what about geting an Mba with speciallization in health.it gives u a wider opportunity and chances.peace.any opinions and advice are welcom Good one! 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by iyimide(m): 11:18am On Sep 23, 2013 |
If we keep complaining of no job and refuse to search then perhaps we do not know what we seek. www.aloftpostmortem.com |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by koolmissy(f): 7:15pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
i studied medical biotechnology both in bachelor and masters, can i work in nigeria hospital, or i have to get a licence |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 8:04pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
koolmissy: i studied medical biotechnology both in bachelor and masters, can i work in nigeria hospital, or i have to get a licenceWhere did you earn your degree? Truth be told, I heard the MLS association do issue license at their own discretion. Medical biotechnology is Nigeria is kind of odd. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by marvelling(m): 9:16pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
koolmissy: i studied medical biotechnology both in bachelor and masters, can i work in nigeria hospital, or i have to get a licence You need licence. Just like everyone else |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by koolmissy(f): 11:44am On Sep 25, 2013 |
i studied in austria. so am kind of confuse wheither i need licence or not. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Sep 25, 2013 |
koolmissy: i studied in austria. so am kind of confuse wheither i need licence or not.To answer your question, yes! You will need a license before you're allowed to practise. The issue of concern should be, would they issue you a license? That is best answered by contacting the right authority. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by TONYE001(m): 7:04pm On Sep 25, 2013 |
About the BMS issue, I just returned from University of Ghana, Legon yesterday. I was told you can continue MBBS there even with a 2-2. Entrance exam is required. Forms would be out by October... [Just to share]... |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by shazily012(m): 7:26am On Oct 13, 2013 |
sparklebug: i am a physiology graduate from unical, finished in 2004 with a second class upper. served in 2005 , while serving i applied to accenture, KPMG, price water , WAMCO and by feb 2006 got a job offer from WAMCO and GTBank, I chose GTBANK. worked there for a while and later moved to ZENITH and finally to my kitchen . After spending some years in my kitchen as a house wife, i went back for a masters in development studies which got me a volunteer position in a UKDFID sponsored project. I am warming up to get a permanent job on the project soon. there is a world of opportunities in the development world, I wish id volunteered earlier I would have gone very far in my career path by now. this is to encourage all graduates or students of basic medical science, yes, there is still light at the end of the tunnel. Dont let any one especially medical students make you feel like a looser! Its sad that our country really does not have a well cut out career path for us but rather than sit in a corner sulking work hard and come out with a good degree then keep your options open. if u can afford to, offer to volunteer with an implementing partner like Benguella, SFH, CIHP, FHI360 etc, there are so many of them out there. it might mean working without pay for some time but know that with the experience you get from them you will surely get something at the end. Best of luck and God bless!!tanx for ur info. i studied physiololgy nd i've served.. i will like to know how to apply as a volunteer for the organization u mentioned.... shazily012@gmail.com |
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