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This is one Christian gone back!!

KunleOshob:

I used to doubt the existence of UFOs/Extra terrestals until recently when i did some extensive research on it. I discovered UFO sightings are not a recent phenomena and they have been sighted for thousands of years, some ancient religions are actually thought o have originated from interactions with these beings, i also came across ancient paintings and artifacts that proved their existence, were as i do not wan to deviate from the original topic of ( the truth of the grail message) i believe some answers lie in this UFO/Alien phenomena and The truth most be able to provide some explanation for this. Your explanation of UFO is far from the reality on ground. You may wish to visit this site for a start i found a lot of answers in it. http://www.bibleufo.com/

Where can i get a copy of "THE GRAIL MESSAGE"? as i said i stay in Lagos.

You can get a copy from the address below

Grail Movement Nigeria :

Grailland Administration
Grailland - Iju Hill
P. O. Box 4157
Lagos. Nigeria.

Thanks for the link you provided. My expalanation of UFO is not far from reality. Probably if it becomes necessary I may go into details. I wish you strength. Say blessed!

@gamine
Not gone back my dear just read my signature. I remain resolute in my christian beliefs, but that doesn't mean i shouldn't search for the truth as the bible doesn't tell us everything, the same bible encourages us to seek knowledge. And to prove all things.

KunleOshob:

@gamine
Not gone back my dear just read my signature. I remain resolute in my christian beliefs, but that doesn't mean i shouldn't search for the truth as the bible doesn't tell us everything, the same bible encourages us to seek knowledge. And to prove all things.

Calmly leave others with their opinions and views. They will experience in themselves where their opinions/views will lead them. The purpose of this thread is to provide opportunity for all those who want to ask questions or seek clarifications about the Grail Message or the Truth. It is not meant to persuade any person to change his or her faith. Stay blessed!

KunleOshob:

@justcool
your explanation is still not satisfactory, maybe i would understand better if i get hold of a copy of the grail message and read through my self / subject it to scrutiny. Where can i get one? i stay in Lagos. But i must mention that i believe very strongly in the bible even though my views as a christian does not conform to what a lot of churches preach today and i would find it very difficult to accept any thing that contradicts the bible. I also know for a fact that the bible is incomplete as it doesn't answer all questions i expect it to answer. Even then i doubt if the Grail message would.

@KunleOshob
I am happy that m_nwankwo has given you the address to a place where you can get a copy of the Grail message. It is okay if you don't find my explanation satisfactory, it is okay is my explanations raised more questions in you. Sometimes we learn by questioning. If all m_nwankwo and I achieved with our explanations was to make you read the Grail Message then our explanations have been very fruitful.
We are only human spirits and we cannot give you the TRUTH, which only God can give. All we can do is share our experiencing of the TRUTH with you. Thus our perception, or reflection of the TRUTH. Being human spirits we cannot reflect the whole TRUTH in it's entirety, only that which we have been able to absorb.
Just read the Grail Message and put it under scrutiny, perhaps you might even absorb more than m_nwankwo and I.

See to it that you purchased a copy of the Grail Message and read.

I wish you strength. Remain blessed.

@KunleOshob
In addition to what m_nwankwo told you about UFOs and aliens which is correct. There are also cases like the Roswell incident which so many people saw and which left evidence. Some of the eye witnesses even claim to have taken some pieces of the alien space craft that crashed in Rosewell. Obviously UFO crashed there. But here is the explanation:

Western governments are on a race, each wants to technologically advance further than the other. The American government does so many secret scientific researches and builds so many scientific vehicles. These researches are done in secret, so that other western powers will not know about it. There is rumour in America that the government secretly keeps aliens in a place called "Area 51." Movies like "Men in Black," are based on such rumours. Places like "Area 51" which is a top secret military facility, I believe do exist, but it is not a facility where aliens are kept by the government; rather, it is a secret research facility.
American government will not like their competitors to know about their latest technonlogy, so that in war situations they can suprise the world like they did in the second world war(Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
After researching in secret, they test their products(ie flying vehicles) in isolated areas like Rosewell. And during such tests sometimes the vehicles crash because it is still not yet perfected.  I believe that the well known crash in Roswell was one of such.
That is why immediately after such crashes, the military goes in and removes all dibree. Otherwise why would the military and the American government spend so much energy and time covering up such crashes, even to the extent of treathening eye-witnesses who dared to confess. How come such crashes never happens in Africa where the American military wont be around to cover the evidences.
UFO means unidentified flying objects, not necessarily alien driven. A newly invented space ship, driven in secret will qualify as UFO, because it is unidentified(not known), and a flying object.

The above is from investigations about UFO and aliens that I have read; and the Roswell case that I followed and researched on, not from the Grail Message. The Grail Message did not say anything specifically on Roswell UFO. Everything I said above is from my researches and the researches done by the government and the discovery channel., not from the Grail Message. I followed the researches done on the Roswell case, because I know so many people who attribute their lack of belief in God on the existence of alien and UFO.

About astrology, stars and faith.
m_nwankwo is right and his explanation is in accord with the TRUTH in The Grail Message. I have this to add too:
Consider, years ago before Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto were discovered, the ancients who were versed in Astrology believed that there were only seven planets, and that the earth was the center of the universe. They rightly perceived the energies of the seven stars and rightly perceived that the star's energies affect humans. They based their calculations on seven stars(Planets). It is only logical for us now to see that their calculations could not have been perfect. Because the are ignorant of other planates whose energies also affect humans. Only events that involve only the energies of the seven stars that they know could be calculated precisely. But in events that involved more energies, their calculations must fail. That is why the ancients astrologers were right in certain things but not in all.
With the discovery of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, modern astrologers revised astrology and incorporated the energies of these three stars in their calculations. Thus they improved divination by astrology. But still astrology can never be precise because not only the planets in our solar system effect us. Every planet in the universe vibrates in a certain energy which is directed to the earth at certain time, as science have observed. Therefore if these energies affect our behaviour and destiny(like astrologers perceive) then it is impossible for man's divination by astrology to be completely precise and perfect, because man does not know most of the planets in the universe. Neither does he know their paths.
This is the Problem with astrology. Only God know every star and planet in the Universe. 

m_nwankwo has correctly explained that the stars or planets are not the starting points of these energies or radiations by saying that "The stars only return what we put in creation through our activities." and that man is not unconditionally at the mercy of the Starla radiations (energies). When a star that carries destructive energy crosses a path through which its energies is realised to the earth, only humans who have destruction in their hearts and those who have sown destruction in the past will be affected by the destructive energy of the star. Each energy, be it good or bad, is only attracted by homogeneous species, thus they strike where they find a homogeneous energy. Therefore even in a time when the staler radiations are bad, good and matured souls will not be affected. This is another thing that an astrologer cannot see. So when he makes predictions or draws a chart(horoscope) for a person, the astrologer does not know the nature of the soul(wheather the soul is good or bad). Thus if the person is righteous or changes to righteousness then the evils that the astrologer predicted will not affect him because goodness is not homogeneous to evil. Evil radiations flow only to evil people due to the law of attraction of homogeneous  species. This is why so many horscopes fail in their prediction.

Another problem that Astrology can cause is that when the astrologer predicts that evil times are eminent This prediction makes people afraid and that fear is enough to draw a negative radiation to the people afraid who would not have been affected if they had not been afraid. People should not live with fear because sometimes through your fear, you draw what you fear to yourself.

Also, sometimes when an astrologer predicts a bright future for a person. This might fill the person with a certain type of hope that might make him/her believe that "no-matter-what" the future is bright. The person may start living unscrupulously and carelessly, wasting his/her time and talent and finally end up a failure. Perhaps, had he/she not been given this false hope by the Astrologer, he/she might have been more careful and hardworking, which would have yielded a bright future.

Therefore the right way to go is to seek righteousness. Nothing is written in stone like some people believe. Nobody is predestined by the stars. The stars only return to us what we once sent out into the universe. By changing our way of living, we set processes in motion that will soon change our destiny. Our destiny lies in our hands. If from today, we do only good, sooner or later we will have only good and blessings to receive. And when the stars radiate evil, they will spare us this evil because the evil will not find a homogeneous soil in us, it will pass us by without harming us. There is no point in consulting astrologers, or fearing the predictions of astrologers because righteousness cancells every evil. One who lives in the WILL OF GOD needs fear no evil. The WILL OF GOD is the key to a successful life. Therefore man should put his/her faith in God and not in the stars.

Those who wish to study the stars and their radiations should do so in private. They should spare the masses, their predictions. Since their predictions can only cause unnecessary panic and cannot be precise due to the reasons already mentioned.

This is my perception of the Grail Message and the Life around me. Although the Grail Message did not specifically mention the planetary names (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) that I mentioned above, I got the information on those planets from my personal study on Astrology, and the history of astrology. I advise every reader to personally read the Grail Message which contains the TRUTH in the issue of astrology.

@justcool
Wow what a long epistle, you must have really taken your time to respond to my post you must be very passionate about the grail message. I would defintely try and lay my hands on it, but i cannot not guarantee i would see it as you see it. On the issue of UFOs and the roswell incident you mentioned / other explanations, it does not suffice for the avalanche of evidence of it's existence through out history. I used to doubt it's existance until i did some research on it and i found overwhelming eveidence that there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. I may not know the answers but i know it is not as simple as high tech U.S military experiments and research you may wish to check out this site http://www.bibleufo.com/ have a bible handy to cross check the references it might throw up a lot of questions that needs answers.

KunleOshob:

I used to doubt the existence of UFOs/Extra terrestals until recently when i did some extensive research on it. I discovered UFO sightings are not a recent phenomena and they have been sighted for thousands of years, some ancient religions are actually thought o have originated from interactions with these beings, i also came across ancient paintings and artifacts that proved their existence, were as i do not wan to deviate from the original topic of ( the truth of the grail message) i believe some answers lie in this UFO/Alien phenomena and The truth most be able to provide some explanation for this. Your explanation of UFO is far from the reality on ground. You may wish to visit this site for a start i found a lot of answers in it. http://www.bibleufo.com/

Where can i get a copy of "THE GRAIL MESSAGE"? as i said i stay in Lagos.

Hi again,

This is just a small addition to what I and justcool have already said about UFO and "extraterresterial" . I guess the information may be helpful. There are seven universes in the world of gross matter. What astronomy and all the disciplines of science have been able to study or speculate about belong to only one universe. This one universe, that is our universe is estimated to be made up of about 100 billion galaxies and each galaxy is estimated to contain about 100 billion stars or suns. Our sun is just one of the billions of suns contained in the Milky way galaxy. Our earth is a planet that forms the soil for the incarnation and subsequent development of the human spirit germs. Their are other earthlike planets in which human spirit germs were incarnated. There are some of these earth-like planets that are further away in its cycle than our own earth and some others are newer in its cycle than our earth. The same goes for the human spirits incarnated and developing in these earth like planets. I do not know how many of these earth like planets are present in our Milkway galaxy or in the other galaxies within our universe or galaxies contained within the other remaining six universes. Equally, I do not know wheather it is possible for human beings in these earth like planets to interact physically. My sensing is that it is highly improbable since each of these earthlike planets are at different phases in the cycling of the world of matter and so are the human beings inhabiting them. Some may be at the phase of birth, some at childhood, some at adulthood (like our earth and its human inhabitants), some at old age while some have already undergone eternal damnation via decay and are in the process of a new birth. Besides the distance between these earthlike planets are so fast that they will likely present an insurmountable physical barrier. Even if such earth like planets housing human beings are within our milkyway galaxy, and even if the sun of this earthlike planet is the closest to our own sun, even if the civilization in this earthlike planet are so advanced that their space ship can travel close to the speed of light, it will still take thousands of years to accomplish an inter stellar travel. The material universe or universes are so fast , yet they are like a grain of sand compared to the spiritual creation. Yet this vast and umimaginable creation is just one of the works of God, the almighty creator. My sensing is that the more we try to understand the creations of God, the more we recognise the unimaginable greatness of God and that recognition forces us to acknowlege our own smallness. That is the begining of the virtue often refered to as humility. Stay blessed.

@m_nwankwo
Your logic / analysis of the topic stands to reason. But it still doesn't give any explanaition for the the cases of multiple ufo sightings around the world. Becos the sightings are confirmed facts. For instance the phoenix and stepenville ufo events are recent ufo sightings which were witnessed simultaneously by thousands of people in six different cities in America( you can do a google search on it) CNN's Larry king did an episode on thises sightings and you know CNN is not frivoulos. Infact one of the UFOs was estimated to be about a mile long, far bigger than any flying device made by man. Have you gone to the sight i recommended? Did you see it how it related the God of the bible to flying objects? ( i know you don't necessarily believe the bible) but it is instructive that an ancient book like the bible talking about flying long b4 the technology was invented.

KunleOshob:

@m_nwankwo
Your logic / analysis of the topic stands to reason. But it still doesn't give any explanaition for the the cases of multiple ufo sightings around the world. Becos the sightings are confirmed facts. For instance the phoenix and stepenville ufo events are recent ufo sightings which were witnessed simultaneously by thousands of people in six different cities in America( you can do a google search on it) CNN's Larry king did an episode on thises sightings and you know CNN is not frivoulos. Infact one of the UFOs was estimated to be about a mile long, far bigger than any flying device made by man. Have you gone to the sight i recommended? Did you see it how it related the God of the bible to flying objects? ( i know you don't necessarily believe the bible) but it is instructive that an ancient book like the bible talking about flying long before the technology was invented.

Hi again KunleOshob,

I have not denied the numerous sitings from people. All I have done is to give probable explanations for what they might have witnessed. Things are not always what the seem expecially with UFO stuff. I watched the program on CNN, even the former president of USA Jimmy Carter described his own encounter with UFO. I do not dispute their experiences but I strongly dispute the interpretations individuals give to their experience. The media including CNN and indeed a majority of the human population do not have the skills or scientific training necessary to validate these stories. Scientifically speaking, eye witness accounts are the most unreliable. All the well known UFO sitingshave been subjected to independent scientific investigations and all have failed to provide a single evidence. Just a little consideration

1. If these sitings are physically real as the witnesses claim, why are there no physical evidence left by the so called aliens?

2. Some people who believe in the UFO phenomenon have claimed that they are abducted and report strange experiences during their aduction including aliens operating on them, extracting their gametes and use it to create hybrid children. Yet in all these abductees, their is no evidence of an operation or even of an abduction. Science have actually shown that some of the cases can be explained by sudden wake up during REM (rapid eye movement) phase of sleep.

3. The bottomline is that if any person or organisation have a physical evidence of UFO or aliens, then they should provide it for scientific investigation. So far there is none.

Stay blessed.

if KunleOshob is still looking to buy 'In The Light Of Truth', there's a grail centre on akowonjo road. the three volumes are up for sale. about 1k, 1k5 each.

cheers.

Dear Nairalanders,

Am very happy to come across an interesting topic like this, in fact few weeks before this time, i was already thinking of launching this kind of discussion with fellow poster about this wonderful  message-In The Light of Truth; The Grail message.

I have thoroughly examine it, all i could found is nothing but the TRUTH and it cut across all religion.

Because we are leaving in a world that is engulfed with Darkness, it is a bit difficult for  some people to recognize TRUTH, But for anyone who is seriously seeking and still carrying little spark of Light inside of him/her, it will not be difficult for such to quickly recognise it.

When  i was reading rotimy's posting, something strike me! I remembered Saul the persecutor of the TRUTH in the Bible who Later Became Apostle Paul after encountering JESUS CHRIST.

I believe that at the appointed time He will come to recognition.

I wish you the strength

tonyjobs:

Dear Nairalanders,

Am very a happy to come across an intresting topic like this, infact few weeks before this time, i was already thinking of launching this kind of discussion with fellow poster about this wonderful  message-In The Light of Truth The Grail message.

I have thoroughly examine it, all i could found is nothing but the TRUTH and it cut across all religion.

Because we are leaving in a world that is engulfed with Darkness, it is a bit difficult for  some people to recognise TRUTH, But for anyone who is seriuosly seeking and still carrying little spark of Light inside of him/her, it will not be difficult for such to quickly recognise it.

When  i was reading rotimy's posting, something strike me! I remembered Saul the persecutor of the TRUTH in the Bible who Later Became Apostle Paul after encountering JESUS CHRIST.

I believe that at the appointed time He will come to recognition.

I wish you the strength

@tonyjobs
Wellcome to this thread. It was really nice reading your post.
I wish you strength too, and remain blessed.

Hello Sir,
I really appreciate your time and level of Maturity in response to all the questions being posted here.
I want to encourage you and M. mwankwo "keep the flag flying" and  i wish you the strength from the LIGHT.

You can also visit this site or direct  Genuine seekers to read more about the Message: http://www.poznanie.sk/knowledge/abdrushin/

Hope to meet you someday!!!

@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to wanna call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.

olabowale:

@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.

Sir, you have not examined the Grail Message and yet you make allegations about the Grail Message. I challenge you to provide just one evidence to support the insinuations you have submitted above. Thanks

@ posters
From the responses of highly learned members of the sect , Grail movement, I have concluded that their message is indeed a grail , a drail or drain message!

olabowale:

@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.

@Olabowale
All that you claimed above are false, born out of your imagination and hatred. Can you provide just one verse from the Grail Message that authenticates your claims?
Why do you fight against, or make allegations against a book that you have not read??
Your claims sound like the outrageous outcry of the masses against Jesus the son of God. The masses shouted "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" eventhough none could provide any real evidence that Jesus ever did wrong.

My advice to you is this:
Civilized people don't just join the masses, civilized people examine issues by themselves and then make an informed decision based on their personal examination. Any claim and accusation based on hearsay is nothing but dishonesty or false accusation.
Strive to become honest in all your dealings!

Thanks and remain blessed.

rotimy:

@ posters
From the responses of highly learned members of the sect , Grail movement, I have concluded that their message is indeed a grail , a drail or drain message!

There is nothing like "highly learned members of the sect, Grail Movement". The answers to questions were drawn from each authors experience of the work "In The Light of Truth- The Grail Message". Besides, the answers were not meant for you. It was for those who are genuinely seeking for the Truth. Therefore, follow your own beliefs and leave the Grail Message alone.

tonyjobs:


I have thoroughly examine it, all i could found is nothing but the TRUTH and it cut across all religion.

One thing that bothers me is the above statement and the regularity with which I hear it from adherents of Grail message. It's almost the same phrase but with slight variations here and there. Aren't there any adherents of Grail message that have parts that they have difficulty with or that they don't understand. Why is it that they all 'thoroughly examine it' and find nothing but capital letters TRUTH. The regularity of these statements suggest programming of some sort.

I had a friend who got involved with a guy called Malachi Z Yorke and his Tabernacle ministries. She claimed that they asked her to ask them any question. She did and eventually she said that she ran out of questions cos they answered everything. That's interesting enough, but then a later bumped into another friend who had started to get involved in it too. He too said what convinced him was that he ran out of questions and they answered everything. But what really struck me was the way he said it. He said it exactly the same way she said it with the same inflection. It was uncanny, bizarre even. Malachi Z Yorke is now in prison for child molestation and I think the organisation has fallen apart.
I'm not saying that the grail message is the same kind of thing but I am kind of wary of people that have rote answers and explanations for why they believe what they believe.

@Justcool:« #81 on: Yesterday at 10:55:27 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:31:58 PM
@KunleOshob and others: It is grail message that you people will now find guidance? There is no true guidance in Bible and definitely, it is even worse in the grail message (unfortunately I tend to want to call it gray flannel, but I am fighting the urge, hard). This grail message is the stepping stone to occultizm, if not it already. Its a convolution of idea that centres not on God Almighty, but denial of His true essence. It is claiming that God will never punish. That will be wrong.


@Olabowale
All that you claimed above are false, born out of your imagination and hatred. Can you provide just one verse from the Grail Message that authenticates your claims?
Why do you fight against, or make allegations against a book that you have not read??
Your claims sound like the[b] outrageous outcry of the masses against Jesus the son of God. The masses shouted "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" eventhough none could provide any real evidence that Jesus ever did wrong.[/b]

My advice to you is this:
Civilized people don't just join the masses, civilized people examine issues by themselves and then make an informed decision based on their personal examination. Any claim and accusation based on hearsay is nothing but dishonesty or false accusation.
Strive to become honest in all your dealings!

Thanks and remain blessed.

Alhamdulillah. Justcool, when God the Almighty Allah was going to bring me victory, he made you write down the parts that I enboldened. The case of saying Jesus is son of God is enough as my proof. You got it from your grail message, didn't you?

I do not have to see a filt, (Human excrement), before I know am near an open sewer, a treatment plant or just Shalanga, Yiani, Shosho, Sarabe, etc (courtesy of old Fela song lyrics). The stench is enough.

I have read enough from what M_Nwankwo put forward, and then people like you. You guys copy the ideas in the Bible about Jesus and God. Except that you deny, comfortably that God does not punish, since you consider punishment as evil thing.

@Pastor AIO

One thing that bothers me is the above statement and the regularity with which I hear it from adherents of Grail message.  It's almost the same phrase but with slight variations here and there.  Aren't there any adherents of Grail message that have parts that they have difficulty with or that they don't understand.  Why is it that they all 'thoroughly examine it' and find nothing but capital letters TRUTH.  The regularity of these statements suggest programming of some sort.  

The Grail Message is available. Pick it up and examine it. I challenge you to provide evidence from the Grail Message that justifies your suggestion that its adherents may be programmed.  In your statement above, you raised questions and even before you have recieved an aswer, you have drawn an inference. Your insinuations on the Grail Message runs counter to most of your postings which in most cases are always objective. You probably have to fathom what is it that triggers in you such reaction to the Grail Message.

I had a friend who got involved with a guy called Malachi Z Yorke and his Tabernacle ministries.  She claimed that they asked her to ask them any question.  She did and eventually she said that she ran out of questions because they answered everything.  That's interesting enough, but then a later bumped into another friend who had started to get involved in it too.  He too said what convinced him was that he ran out of questions and they answered everything.  But what really struck me was the way he said it.  He said it exactly the same way she said it with the same inflection.  It was uncanny, bizarre even.  Malachi Z Yorke is now in prison for child molestation and I think the organisation has fallen apart.
I'm not saying that the grail message is the same kind of thing but I am kind of wary of people that have rote answers and explanations for why they believe what they believe.  

What has the Grail Message got to do with Malachi Z Yorke or his followers? What has the Grail Message got to do with your statement that Malachi Z Yorke is now in prison for child molestation? I am baffled that such an an impure insinuation can come from you. Your last paragraph was meant to be an alibi to escuse your impure insinuations. All the same if you are serious of disputing the Grail Message, read it and bring your rebuttals. That is the best approach! Thank you.

olabowale:

@Justcool:« #81 on: Yesterday at 10:55:27 PM »
You guys copy the ideas in the Bible about Jesus and God.

The same way ideas were copied from the bible to write the quoran in a highly distorted form.

KunleOshob:

The same way ideas were copied from the bible to write the quoran in a highly distorted form.

The Grail Message was not copied from the bible or indeed any other sacred texts. The Grail Message contains all Truth and that presupposes that the grains of Truth found in the sacred texts of world religions will be found in the Grail Message. Ofcourse, for a work to claim that it is the WHOLE TRUTH is an extraordinary claim. Serious seekers should examine the Grail Message and come to their own conclusions.

m_nwankwo:

There is nothing like "highly learned members of the sect, Grail Movement". The answers to questions were drawn from each authors experience of the work "In The Light of Truth- The Grail Message". Besides, the answers were not meant for you. It was for those who are genuinely seeking for the Truth. Therefore, follow your own beliefs and leave the Grail Message alone.

I t is a big shame that a mind bending highly demented group like Grail MOVEMENT will be claiming knowledge of truth when the book "In light of Truth" have been proved to be a dark occultic book that picks from almost all religions! It is not for me as you said, but I will not leave GRAIL DERAIL message or lying messangers alone!

rotimy:

I t is a big shame that a mind bending highly demented group like Grail MOVEMENT will be claiming knowledge of truth when the book "In light of Truth" have been proved to be a dark occultic book that picks from almost all religions! It is not for me as you said, but I will not leave GRAIL DERAIL message or lying messangers alone!

Once again you have come up with fresh allegations and name calling. You can label the Grail Message what pleases you. Indeed you are also free to claim that group "like the Grail Movement" is mind bending and demented. Whatever label you give to the Grail Message is your choice. It is your own free decision not to leave the Grail Message alone. Best wishes!

@KunleOshob:« #86 on: Today at 02:44:12 PM »  

The same way ideas were copied from the bible to write the quoran in a highly distorted form.

You know that you have told lies. Qur'an declares that this Qur'an is in a Tongue that is not the same to any claimed religions texts, Bible! Tell me as an Ilesha person, or in general, a yoruba person, can you translate a book written in Calabar indigenous language to your dialect, Ijesha, or language, Yoruba and it is more superior, in details to also calabar people that their the original in their language, while the people of your dialect and Language, in the West are very familiar with this so called calabar only experience? Impossible.

First, the stories that are common in the Bible, both Old and new testaments and along with the Qur'an are the story of all humanity. It started from before the creation of Adam, and it movs forward from there. In the Qur'an, the creation and what Adam is made up of are different from that of the  bible. Read it. The story of jesus is different, The story of Moses and Fir'awn is differenet. The story of Joseph is different. The story of jacob is different. While you accuse Joseph of doing things that could be considered evil and deceitful, Islam's Qur'an honored him and nothing of that is mentioned. The story of Isaac is different. The story of Ismail is different. The story of Ibrahim is different. The story of Noah is different. You do not have anything about Luqman for example. And many others.  Stop being dishonest in your dialogue. Ojooro man.

Seriously searching for the truth

And you have to go to Grail Message for that. Read what M_Nwankwo wrote below. You need to open your eyes, man. I mean the eyes of your soul. You do have a soul, don't you?





[m_nwankwo]« #87 on: Today at 03:03:16 PM »  
The Grail Message was not copied from the bible or indeed any other sacred texts. The Grail Message contains all Truth and that presupposes that the grains of Truth found in the sacred texts of world religions will be found in the Grail Message. Ofcourse, for a work to claim that it is the WHOLE TRUTH is an extraordinary claim. Serious seekers should examine the Grail Message and come to their own conclusions.
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Justcool, remember I show you that i disagree with Jesus being son of God, when you asked me to show you one single verse about grail message that i  base my idea on?

M_Nwankwo did not prove me wrong, since he concluded above that grail message was copied from the Bible, and other world religious texts. I bet they copied from Hindu scripts, Buhhdists, taoist, Shintoist, etc as well as Zoroasts, etc.

The guy who I think wrote the Grail Message book is probably Arab! I based my opinion on his name. Definitely not an English man.

Grail Message simply tells me that it believes in everything and then wrap that silly belief around Jesus, in order to do what exactly, is an unknown idea.

Sorry to M_Nwankwo: I meant to say "Not copied," but only the truth of all world religions were in there. When did the grail message came to being, except that it copied but refused to acknowledge it obvious plaigiarizm. Let me ask this question, the verses where Jesus said that he was not God will not be in the grail message would it? Like Verse 29 of Mark 12, etc, and the crying out of Jesus about his dying? And since torture is bad and can be considered as pain or punishment, that part of the Bible about Jesus cruxifixion will not be in the grail message. Remember ut akl love and hence lake of fire of Christian will not be there.

olabowale:

Sorry to M_Nwankwo: I meant to say "Not copied," but only the truth of all world religions were in there. When did the grail message came to being, except that it copied but refused to acknowledge it obvious plaigiarizm. Let me ask this question, the verses where Jesus said that he was not God will not be in the grail message would it? Like Verse 29 of Mark 12, etc, and the crying out of Jesus about his dying? And since torture is bad and can be considered as pain or punishment, that part of the Bible about Jesus cruxifixion will not be in the grail message. Remember ut akl love and hence lake of fire of Christian will not be there.

Sir the taste of the pudding lies in the eating. Pick up a copy of the Grail Message and read. It is a 1000 plus page book. The source of the Grail Message can be found by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message is a proclamation of the eternal Truth. It is a revaelation of the entire mechanism of creation, how it was before creation, how creation started, how it developed and how it is being maintained. It is therefore a question of cosmogony. Each of the 168 lectures in the Grail Message revealed a Truth that has never being uttered before by any person in any part of creation including the physically visible and invincible parts. You can refute or accept this assertion by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message states that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It did not just state it, but goes on to show how and why Jesus is the son of God. It is an event that has its origin in the Godhead, the creator of all the worlds.  Jesus Christ is the incarnate word of God, the son of God. Jesus Christ is therefore an incarnation of God in flesh and blood. Since he is an incarnation of God, a process of radiation which you can find the full description in the Grail Message, Jesus Christ is also the Truth and the Life.  No man will ever enter paradise without this recognition. People can argue which ever way but all true prophets of God know that Jesus is the son of God even if followers of these prophets are ignorant of it. I have in various exchanges with you addressed the issues you raised. I will not repeat them here. If you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, then it is your choice. The truth that Jesus is the son of God can be experienced in life but not proven on the  pages of nairaland forum. The path or the oppurtunity for that experience is open to all who genuinely seek to know about it. Thanks.

@M_Nwankwo: « #92 on: Today at 04:17:57 PM »
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Sir the taste of the pudding lies in the eating. Pick up a copy of the Grail Message and read. It is a 1000 plus page book. The source of the Grail Message can be found by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message is a proclamation of the eternal Truth. It is a revaelation of the entire mechanism of creation, how it was before creation, how creation started, how it developed and how it is being maintained. It is therefore a question of cosmogony. Each of the 168 lectures in the Grail Message revealed a Truth that has never being uttered before by any person in any part of creation including the physically visible and invincible parts. You can refute or accept this assertion by examining the Grail Message. The Grail Message states that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It did not just state it, but goes on to show how and why Jesus is the son of God. It is an event that has its origin in the Godhead, the creator of all the worlds. Jesus Christ is the incarnate word of God, the son of God. Jesus Christ is therefore an incarnation of God in flesh and blood. Since he is an incarnation of God, a process of radiation which you can find the full description in the Grail Message, Jesus Christ is also the Truth and the Life. No man will ever enter paradise without this recognition. People can argue which ever way but all true prophets of God know that Jesus is the son of God even if followers of these prophets are ignorant of it. I have in various exchanges with you addressed the issues you raised. I will not repeat them here. If you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, then it is your choice. The truth that Jesus is the son of God can be experienced in life but not proven on the pages of nairaland forum. The path or the oppurtunity for that experience is open to all who genuinely seek to know about it. Thanks.
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Thanks i do not need to pick up a copy and do not need to read it. I am satisfied with what i have. It allows for human mind where it is necessary. And where there is a need for spiritual mind to work, it is allows it in a natural way, considering that human mind and the knowledge it contains is always limited to the time and place in human developments of all the branches of knowledge.

It is better to be ignorant in some places, if the knowledge will altimately be destructive.

For example, a Pakistani friend of mine was using the 40 year old man who covered his face with the only garment he has so that he does not look at the almost naked beautiful woman he met while both of them are approaching each other from opposite direction in a very isolated place.

While he did not cover himself up properly, by blindfolding himself from the trial that could ensue if he looked at this beautiful woman, he himself did not see what the woman who was tempting saw about his own struggle to avoid the woman.

Or the story of an older man who has a strong will and his young impressionable son. He used his hands to cover the ears of his son, so that he does not hear the evil speech of a man who was abusing him, while he the father cared less about the caustic things being said.

Tthe writer of grail message must have more knowledge about God and jesus than the prophets before and the only one after Jesus was on earth? You seem to indicate that all those prophets kept the information about Jesus being son of god as their own secret.

Even though every prphet is commanded to deliver his assigned message in truth, complete without leaving any part out, undelivered. I will love to read how you come up with these opinions. At least thats what i draw from your statements.


Finally, at least i like the fact that you are allowing everyone their own opinion and choice. Same is Islam. We are supposed to tell everyone and not force anybody. I do not force anyone.

m_nwankwo:

@Pastor AIO

The Grail Message is available. Pick it up and examine it. I challenge you to provide evidence from the Grail Message that justifies your suggestion that its adherents may be programmed.  In your statement above, you raised questions and even before you have recieved an aswer, you have drawn an inference. Your insinuations on the Grail Message runs counter to most of your postings which in most cases are always objective. You probably have to fathom what is it that triggers in you such reaction to the Grail Message.

I guess I'll just have to get the book and read it then.  If I have been open with you and I tell you what I think in sincerity, is that wrong?  When I meet different people at different places and times and they all seem to have the same turn of phrase, from my experience of these things it suggests (not necessarily dictates for sure) that some sort of programming has occurred.  Before you react emotionally to the connotations of programming I will hasten to add that every human brain is a programmed brain.  We are programmed to act and think like members of whatever particular culture we were raised in.  So I do not think that programming is necessarily bad.  It is just the way the brain works and this can be used for Good or for Ill. 

Yes I did draw an inference (in fact a suggestion not an accepted fact) from my question.  It's called being hypothetical and it is a valid method in the quest for knowledge.  What must then follow is a confirmation or a refutation of the hypothetical inference.  It seems the only way to do this is to read the book myself as you suggest.  Please my question still stands:  Is there any grail member that has had any difficulty with any part of the book?

What has the Grail Message got to do with Malachi Z Yorke or his followers? What has the Grail Message got to do with your statement that Malachi Z Yorke is now in prison for child molestation? I am baffled that such an an impure insinuation can come from you. Your last paragraph was meant to be an alibi to escuse your impure insinuations. All the same if you are serious of disputing the Grail Message, read it and bring your rebuttals. That is the best approach! Thank you.

The connection is, as I said, that in meeting Tabernacle ministry members they all had the exact same comment to make about the organisation.  I never heard an individual perspective. Just as I've never heard an individual perspective on Grail message either.  The part about prison and child molestation was just anecdotal to wind up that story.  I think that you ought to know me enough by now to know that I love my story telling.  I really did not expect that part to raise such concerns.  I just said it to round of  the Malachi Z Yorke episode.
http://www.malachiyorkisinnocent.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4tmQBIHZkU

I stated quite explicitly that I was not comparing grail to tabernacle ministry.  I don't really know enough about neither.  What I was comparing, because it struck me quite glaringly, was the manner in which the members seem to give rote answers about the organisation.

Hi again Pastor AIO

I guess I'll just have to get the book and read it then.  If I have been open with you and I tell you what I think in sincerity, is that wrong?  When I meet different people at different places and times and they all seem to have the same turn of phrase, from my experience of these things it suggests (not necessarily dictates for sure) that some sort of programming has occurred.  Before you react emotionally to the connotations of programming I will hasten to add that every human brain is a programmed brain.  We are programmed to act and think like members of whatever particular culture we were raised in.  So I do not think that programming is necessarily bad.  It is just the way the brain works and this can be used for Good or for Ill. 

Yes I did draw an inference (in fact a suggestion not an accepted fact) from my question.  It's called being hypothetical and it is a valid method in the quest for knowledge.  What must then follow is a confirmation or a refutation of the hypothetical inference.  It seems the only way to do this is to read the book myself as you suggest.  Please my question still stands

Sure, get yourself a copy and read it. That is the right way to make an informed decision about  a work. I am not been emotional. My premise is that what is revealed in the Grail Message cannot be accessed with the brain but with the faculties of the spirit. Sure the operation of the brain particularly the neocortex follows programming but not the faculties of the spirit. The faculties of the spirit is not in the brain, not in the mind but in the spirit. I am willing to discuss your findings as you examine the Grail Message.

   Is there any grail member that has had any difficulty with any part of the book?

I guess you meant adherents of the Grail Message since there is nothing like a Grail member. Adherents of the Grail Message can draw from the Message as much as their spirit is capable of. What is important is the Grail Message, not its adherents since an explanation of the Grail Message by its adherents is subject to the level of spiritual maturity of each adherent. I am convident you will answer the questions your self as you examine one lecture after leature in the Grail Message. Thus find a copy and hear from the hoarse`s mouth. Stay blessed!