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Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by freeradical(m): 5:46pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:You are wrong brother. Canaan was Christ's very first miracle as portrayed by the scriptures. You think its by chance that he performed that miracle on Mary's request even when he made it clear that his time had not yet come? Also Mary in that part was clearly showing to the people present her son who she knew was the saviour of men. That's why she said to the servants...."Do whatever he tells you". That's the same way she points Jesus to us today and tells us to "do whatever Jesus tells us". |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 5:52pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Ichiato: and what does the Bible say concerning making an image of something /someone in heaven and bowing to it? and how did you know she is already in heaven? and even if she is, what is her role in heaven? (Cuz I think al the heavenly bodies in heaven have roles which they play as it was said in revelation ) |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by geniusbami(m): 5:54pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
What I'm about to show here will offend many & surprise many more. But I appeal that whatever anyone feels, kindly read some books before commenting this way or that way. Hope we understand ourselves. "If you know your history, then you will know where U're coming from" Know this, the Catholic faith did not start the Mother & Child or Mary worship. They are ancient Babylonian pagan practises, which shows the influence that paganism has had in the Roman Catholicism development. That's why they create dogmas and all forms of beliefs to find a way to bring the Babylonian religions as close as possible to scriptures, an impossible marriage. The Chinese had a mother goddess called Shingmoo or the Holy Mother. The ancient Germans worshiped the virgin Hertha. The mother goddes was known as Venus or Fortuna to her devotees in the olden days of Rome, and her child as Jupiter. Regardless of her name or place, a writer says "she was the wife of Baal, the virgin queen of heaven, who bore fruit although she never conceived. In Ephesus, the great mother was known as Diana. The temple dedicated to her in that city was one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. In Egypt, the mother was known as Isis and her child as Horus. Those are not my findings, but those of historians. There are many books on the evolution of the Roman Catholic religion. But my reference is titled Babylon Mystery Religion, Ancient and Modern by Ralph Edward Wondrow. Buy, read and clear your doubts. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Nobody: 5:55pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:You are slowly trying to contradict yourself. Y were they scared of going to ask Jesus themselves and most importantly y did they consider mary an appropraite person to ask jesus. And if mary didn't know her role as an intercesor she could have ask them to go and ask him theirselves don't you think? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 5:58pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical:My God! so Mary was the one who choose to be the vessel and not God! so she can do and undo the plans of God because she has the freewill to do so? YOU Are lost! and by the way, she is not the mother of Christ in heaven. the risen Christ has nothing to do with her. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by freeradical(m): 6:02pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
geniusbami:what is this one saying. Ur unbelief in the catholic doctrines are your own dogmas. Every denomination have their own tenets and belief pattern. There is no truth in your write-up neither do I see any correlations between the pagan practices you listed above with the catholic church's theological teachings on all matters of xtian faith! Face it the Church is the teacher of all the faithful on earth and the fact that some of yo choose to pick and choose what you accept from the church's numerous teachings doesn't make you better than the Mother Church |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:03pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical:she was a sinner. unto sin was she born. her father knew her mother and thus she was conceived. she prays for forgiveness. if she was spotless, why did Christ have to come and die for us? why didn't God use her instead? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by maik: 6:04pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
For me o,I will respect Mary and honour her being the mother of my Savior. Some christians worship and honour pastor's wife or mother,they respect and bow down to the wife of the president,governors and senators. They bow and kneel down for the wife of their pastor to pray for them or bless down on the alter. And they believe Mary the mother of christ,the woman that brought our savior,the king of kings and the God of pastors and presidents into this world does not deserve respect and honour. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:04pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical: this is even more serious than earlier stipulated. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by geniusbami(m): 6:08pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Here's the paperback. If anyone reads this and similar books on the evolution of the Roman Catholic Church, U will cease to think reasoning will change them, cos "the god of this world has blinded their eyes so the light of the glorious gospel should not enter their minds.
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Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:09pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical:OK let me get this straight, you pray to Mary to intercede on your behalf... she does what you asked her to do, the she gives you feedback, telling you to know do whatever Christ tells you to do? is that how the whole thing works or am I missing something? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by dikenna: 6:10pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
KingsleyJay:dude did u even read my comment beyond d emboldened. Try doing dat before commenting |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by freeradical(m): 6:13pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:you are sounding like an atheist already. God's ways cannot be understood thru human logic. If I'm to join in ur skewed sense of reasoning I'd ask u "why did God even hav to send Jesus Christ to save us....he's omnipotent isn't he? He shud have just yellled hakuna matata and whoosh Mankind is saved! |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Nobody: 6:16pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:The specifically adds that you should not worship that image. That is to give to an images the respect and honor that is deserving of God. Again I say that Catholics in no way worship images, these images only bring to mind the person and image of christ or mary as the case may be. King David and the ark of Gods convenant usually made of bronze and very well revered by the isrealites is one of such examples in the bible where images are used to Good use to serve God. Please note that Mary would later become the ark of God's convenant and Christ blood on the cross the actual convenant that reconciles us to God. You asked how am sure mary is in heaven again I will state again that you go and read revelation 12: 1-17 "the woman and the dragon" and say what you make of it. As for her role in heaven? She serves God and intercedes for us like all other saints in heaven. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:16pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Ichiato:I have already answered those questions in the comment you just quoted. READ IT now do you know that Christ didn't grant Mary audience all the time in the Bible, yet you see her as an intercessor. doesn't that mean that Christ never saw her as such? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by freeradical(m): 6:17pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:well that's an argument for another day or should I say another thread. This one is on the Blessed virgin mary. If you want to understand the church's teaching on why we ask for intercession from saints I suggest you open another thread for it 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Octaves(m): 6:18pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Should be ashamed of my self because you say so. Smh! Anybody that refuses to honour the mother of our lord should be ashamed of himself. What makes you a chrirtian when you have nothing but utter disrespect and disregard for the mother of the one you purport to be your lord and saviour. Smh. And you even seem to be a bit obtuse. Didn't you see where i explained that we 'pray to jesus' directly and also ask her mother to help us with her own prayers. But I'm not surprised because i'm familiar with pentecosters' attitude of wilfully refusing to see your points ( willful ignorance). Btw Jesus knew that wine had finished and was not willing to do anything because his time had not come until the request came through an irrepudiable channel. Amen! Ave Maria! IyfeNamikaze: |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by freeradical(m): 6:19pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:Read what I wrote and stop implying something else. Read it slowly and understand afterall its written in English. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:20pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical:Sorry if I sounded like an atheist, but can you kindly show me where it was written that she was blameless an spotless? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by kelnas(m): 6:25pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Octaves:if i may ask, pls where is Mary now? isn't she going to be judge by God on the last day just as everyone else? or is she a higher being? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:26pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Ichiato:I don't remember it being said anywhere that she became the Ark of God's covenant ...etc. and nowhere was is said in any book of the Bible that she serve as our intercessor. and the Bible would never omit something so vital as that. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by dikenna: 6:29pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
dabriggs:think of it objectively urself. Will jesus handover his mother to john and say woman behold your son, is she had any other son? (John 19:26). Furthermore, if jesus had any siblings (sister in particular) wouldn't they be with his mother at the foot of the cross at his dying moments? If a woman that is not his biological sister could take the risk and wipe his face with a cloth on his toturous journey to death does it make sense that is he had any biological sister at that time she wouldn't be mentioned? Food for thot my brother 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by kelnas(m): 6:30pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Octaves:if i may ask, pls where is Mary now? isn't she going to be judge by God on the last day just as everyone else? or is she a higher being?....... |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:31pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Octaves:show me where I have disrespected Mary please. you are just being to hateful and angry at nothing. if she is the intercessor as you claim, why did Christ deny her audience when he was with the disciples and crowd |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Nobody: 6:31pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:Stop driving words into is mouth. Mary agreed and accepted the role God gave her. And her work in bringing salvation to mankind did not just stop at were she agreed to the plan but also continued till christ was able to care for himself. She carried the baby jesus for nine month and gave birth, went through all the trouble to protect him herold and so on. Get it? |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Octaves(m): 6:34pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Mary is in heaven. Shey I don waste my mb to spell it out 4 u kelnas: |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Olaskybab: 6:36pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
freeradical:error 1 Like |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by IyfeNamikaze(m): 6:39pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Ichiato: Noooo! she didn't go through all trouble to protect him. God was the one doing all the protection job. and it's not as if she had much of a choice considering the nature of things between her and Joseph + those who knew her to be betrothed to him and not to mention she was a God fearing woman. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Octaves(m): 6:41pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Pls quote the bible passage ( chapter and verse) here let me see because You peeps like quoting out of context. And tell me why Jesus agreed to perform his first miracle before his time came just because of Mary IyfeNamikaze: |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by kelnas(m): 6:45pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
Octaves:Young man go and read your Bible properly...ooh i forgot, u guys(chatolics) Don't read de Bible, u only recite Holy Poems. Stop worshipping humans like you. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Nobody: 6:48pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:Again your logic that everything has to be in the bible for it to be true is wrong. For prove that mary is the ark of the convenant see this site www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/mary-the-ark-of-the-new-covenant And again in previous post I see you using the situation where christ did not grant mary audience as prove. We Catholics have never claimed that praying through mary is a guarantee that what ever you ask will be granted. God alone know what's best but there is a better chance that he will listen to his mother just at the wedding feast in cannan. At this point I will like to say am tired and I'm no longer seeing the relevance of my posts as it seems am just circum navigating repeating what have said right from the start. Thank you. |
Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Nobody: 6:50pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
IyfeNamikaze:No she did not go tru any trouble she just sat down in a cool range rover sport with AC while God did the protecting. |
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