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Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 3:19pm On Nov 30, 2014
Mustiboy:
[s]moslems knows best about jesus because we have the book that reveals the truth about jesus[/s](al quran) you guys i'm sorry to say have the fabricated copy of bible with you. The original bible is nowhere to be found. Did you know? A bible was discovered last year said to be about 1500 years old this bible is even contains the fortelling of prophet muhammeds coming. It did not even contain the trinity of a thing it only quoted that God is one.

That is part of your quran that Moh'd's followers forgot to add...Sorry to say pls! But The Bible was way before 1500 years ago. tongue

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Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by adepiero: 3:25pm On Nov 30, 2014
An2elect2:


2Peter 1:21 " For the prophecy came not in the old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

'...people are saying the original script is different but lost' bla bla bla. Why didn't you ask them to provide you with the original and how they 'found out' it was different?

[s]Lol pls stop yarning dust. Nobody with a sound mind will abandon truth for lies.

Don't tell me anything about your satanic religion and that confused 'cookery' you people call quran.[/s]

I thought you were open to reasoning but clearly, you are lost cry But God knows best
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Rilwayne001: 3:30pm On Nov 30, 2014
An2elect2:


Lol another blind guide we have here.
Really

So because Jesus told His disciples that He knows not the hour that automatically means He is not God?

Tell me why he does not know when the hour would come,

lol clapping for this foolery.
Your own foolery rather.

Now i ask you. What happens to the multiple scriptures that clearly label Jesus as God?
Present them please.

But before then, let me throw mine first:

ISAIAH 45:5 – I am the LORD , and there is none else, there is no God beside me : I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Tell me Jesus was the one talking here^^^ undecided


Do you know anything about scripture interpreting itself?

Do you? undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 3:31pm On Nov 30, 2014
rossi49ja:
It's pretty obvious that the goal of ecumenism is totally lost on you. Even when the Holy See give you guys the benefit of doubt people like you keep proving your faith as a hostile one. I will love to see the headlines someday screaming that your almighty Imam worshipped in the Basilica.

Why dont you try knowing what I believe in before coming to spree your ignorance..i dont follow any imam ok! undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 3:38pm On Nov 30, 2014
Mustiboy:
I sometimes back then use to doubt islam and i couldn't trust christianity either but a while later i made some researcher and Revealed to me the truth and some signs i discoved even made my faith stronger. A tsunami invade a country everything was destroyed except for the mosques in the country. A boy was born with quran. A tree in posture of performing solat. Allah's name appeared on a tomato. A tree that forms allah's name and so many. My advice is stick to the religion you belive in be it islam christianity or traditional it's your faith in God and your deeds that will judge you when the great day comes. The truth someone who doesn't believe in God can make it to heaven it's all by the grace of God. Period!

muslim's allah now costumize name on tomatoe grin grin
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by sademola: 3:40pm On Nov 30, 2014
Macelliot:
The Pope wants peace. He wants your muslims extremist brothers to stop beheading Christians in the middle east, so He is clamouring for peace.

Isn't this comment needless?
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 3:46pm On Nov 30, 2014
Weselion:
how many of your chief imams can go to the Vatican?

What makes you think I have chief imams? undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by adepiero: 3:47pm On Nov 30, 2014
[Deuteronomy 18:18] - "I will raise for them a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them, all that I command him."

From the above it clearly shows the bible was referring to Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W) because Christians believe Jesus (P.B.U.H) to be God and not a prophet.

The phrase: "I will put My words in his mouth", takes on great significance because Prophet Muhammad was unlettered; he did not know how to read or write. Normally God would put the message in the Prophet's mind. In this case attention is drawn towards "words" being put into the "mouth".
Prophet Muhammad's sayings as well as eye witness accounts describe his receiving the verses of the Holy Qur'an , and his tongue moving with the words being put in his mouth.

Turning to the New Testament, let us look at
John 14:15-16. It says: "15. If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another 'comforter' (helper in other versions), that he may abide with you forever."
Also John 15:26-27, John 16:5-8 and John 16:12-14.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by An2elect2(f): 3:59pm On Nov 30, 2014
adepiero:
I thought you were open to reasoning but clearly, you are lost cry But God knows best

Really? you mean open to lies? Okay no i ve had enough already in my past life that to keep shut now when error is been perpetrated will be wicked of me.
Let me tell you something adepiero. The reason you and your cohorts oppose truth is because that's the only way you can be kept bound.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by adepiero: 4:02pm On Nov 30, 2014
An2elect2:


Really? you mean open to lies? Okay no i ve had enough already in my past life that to keep shut now when error is been perpetrated will be wicked of me.
Let me tell you something adepiero. The reason you and your cohorts oppose truth is because that's the only way you can be kept bound.
Noted! undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Hexzyz(m): 4:04pm On Nov 30, 2014
Macelliot:
The Pope wants peace. He wants your muslims extremist brothers to stop beheading Christians in the middle east, so He is clamouring for peace.

contrast this with this Bible verse

For when they shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3

When anti - christ comes, he is going to make the peace which the world clamour for. Then this verse will take it's effect.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 4:04pm On Nov 30, 2014
DaBullIT:

Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah.” For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” - and there is only One God. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus - peace be upon them all. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation. This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas.

First of all, it is important to note that “Allah” is the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for God. If you pick up an Arabic Bible, you will see the word “Allah” being used where “God” is used in English. This is because “Allah” is a word in the Arabic language equivalent to the English word “God” with a capital “G”. Additionally, the word “Allah” cannot be made plural, a fact which goes hand-in-hand with the Islamic concept of God.

It is interesting to note that the Aramaic word “El”, which is the word for God in the language that Jesus spoke, is certainly more similar in sound to the word “Allah” than the English word “God.” This also holds true for the various Hebrew words for God, which are “El” and “Elah”, and the plural or glorified form “Elohim.” The reason for these similarities is that Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are all Semitic languages with common origins. It should also be noted that in translating the Bible into English, the Hebrew word “El” is translated variously as “God”, “god” and “angel”! This imprecise language allows different translators, based on their preconceived notions, to translate the word to fit their own views. The Arabic word “Allah” presents no such difficulty or ambiguity, since it is only used for Almighty God alone. Additionally, in English, the only difference between “god”, meaning a false god, and “God”, meaning the One True God, is the capital “G”. Due to the above mentioned facts, a more accurate translation of the word “Allah” into English might be “The One -and-Only God” or “The One True God.”

More importantly, it should also be noted that the Arabic word “Allah” contains a deep religious message due to its root meaning and origin. This is because it stems from the Arabic verb ta’allaha (or alaha), which means “to be worshipped.” Thus in Arabic, the word “Allah” means “The One who deserves all worship.” This, in a nutshell, is the Pure Monotheistic message of Islam.

Suffice it to say that just because someone claims to be a “monotheistic” Jew, Christian or Muslim, that does not keep them from falling into corrupt beliefs and idolatrous practices. Many people, including some Muslims, claim belief in “One God” even though they’ve fallen into acts of idolatry. Certainly, many Protestants accuse Roman Catholics of idolatrous practices in regards to the saints and the Virgin Mary. Likewise, the Greek Orthodox Church is considered “idolatrous” by many other Christians because in much of their worship they use icons. However, if you ask a Roman Catholic or a Greek Orthodox person if God is “One”, they will invariably answer: “Yes!.” This claim, however, does not stop them from being “creature worshipping” idolaters. The same goes for Hindus, who just consider their gods to be “manifestations” or “incarnations” of the One Supreme God.

Before concluding… there are some people out there, who are obviously not on the side of truth, that want to get people to believe that “Allah” is just some Arabian “god”[1], and that Islam is completely “other” - meaning that it has no common roots with the other Abrahamic religions (i.e. Christianity and Judaism). To say that Muslims worship a different “God” because they say “Allah” is just as illogical as saying that French people worship another God because they use the word “Dieu”, that Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they say “Dios” or that the Jews worshipp a different God because they sometimes call Him “Yahweh.” Certainly, reasoning like this is quite ridiculous! It should also be mentioned, that claiming that any one language uses the only the correct word for God is tantamount to denying the universality of God’s message to mankind, which was to all nations, tribes and people through various prophets who spoke different languages.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/

Oh , and I'm a christian

Ok are you done..finally we dont worship thesame God.. God has a unique and eternal name which he says we shall remember him with forever. "Yahweh" from the root words in hebrew "eiyeh asher eiyeh" meaning "I am who I am" or better yet "I will be what I will be"..on the other hand Allah means God in arabic langauge which I totally agree with you..have you ever asked a muslim the true name of Allah? *sips mountain dew*
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 4:11pm On Nov 30, 2014
GozieDiora:


How many times do you see a common Muslim praying in a church?

Hellooo! That question should be directed to the pope. I dont care who's ox is gored. angry
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Obascoetubi: 4:22pm On Nov 30, 2014
Macelliot:
The Pope wants peace. He wants your muslims extremist brothers to stop beheading Christians in the middle east, so He is clamouring for peace.

why dont he go& pray in the church? remember. bible says,DO NOT BE FREIEND WITH NON BELIEVERS
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 4:24pm On Nov 30, 2014
neoapocalypse:

You're a retaard

Thank you for noticing that..shalom aleichem!
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by An2elect2(f): 4:45pm On Nov 30, 2014
Rilwayne001:

Really



Tell me why he does not know when the hour would come,


Your own foolery rather.


Present them please.

But before then, let me throw mine first:

ISAIAH 45:5 – I am the LORD , and there is none else, there is no God beside me : I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Tell me Jesus was the one talking here^^^ undecided




Do you? undecided

I wanted to let this pass me... but for the sake of those viewing this thread...

Let me start with John 1:1 and John1:14a

John1:1 "In the beginning was the "Word", and the "Word" was with God, and the "Word" was God."
John 1:14a " And the "Word" was made flesh, and dwelt among us."

Now those words in that verse quoted( Isaiah45:5) were indeed said by Christ himself. How i know.
Please read the whole chapter and pay attention to verses 12: He made all things. look at colossians 1:16: all things were made for and by Him.

verse25: In the Lord shall all the seed be justified. Look at Galatians 2:16: justified by the faith of Christ.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by paxonel(m): 4:56pm On Nov 30, 2014
rckdude:


OK let me ask u this, how would u react if u saw ur Priest/Pastor/Reverend father in a "babalawo's" shrine bowing to its idol.
if he comes back to the church, that means, that act of bowing down to shrine was not act of worship, but just a sign to pass one message,
that he as a christian, is not in a fight with any babalawo and his religion,
that everybody in the world have the right to practice any religion in the world, be it babalawo or anything.
but if he continues with the babalawo and do not come back to the church there after, that means, he has been converted into babalawo worship, away from Christianity.
in that case, i will conclude that, that is his choice, it will not in anyway affect the usual relationship i use to have with him outside religion
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 5:16pm On Nov 30, 2014
adepiero:


From the above it clearly shows the bible was referring to Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W) because Christians believe Jesus (P.B.U.H) to be God and not a prophet.

The phrase: "I will put My words in his mouth", takes on great significance because Prophet Muhammad was unlettered; he did not know how to read or write. Normally God would put the message in the Prophet's mind. In this case attention is drawn towards "words" being put into the "mouth".
Prophet Muhammad's sayings as well as eye witness accounts describe his receiving the verses of the Holy Qur'an , and his tongue moving with the words being put in his mouth.

Turning to the New Testament, let us look at Also John 15:26-27, John 16:5-8 and John 16:12-14.

So you believe all this hun! Later you turn around and say the bible is corrupt abii.. undecided mohahmmed must be turning over in his grave right now in disappointment.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Donmichaelz(m): 5:21pm On Nov 30, 2014
paxonel:

GOD BLESS THE POPE! i have never seen a man who is so sensible like Pope Francis, I am not a Catholic o, but the man remains my mentor in life
people like u anything can be ur mentor
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 5:23pm On Nov 30, 2014
Hexzyz:


contrast this with this Bible verse

For when they shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3

When anti - christ comes, he is going to make the peace which the world clamour for. Then this verse will take it's effect.


Gbam! grin
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Rilwayne001: 5:23pm On Nov 30, 2014
An2elect2:


I wanted to let this pass me... but for the sake of those viewing this thread...
Alright

Let me start with John 1:1 and John1:14a

Before coming down to the New testament, can you tell us in the Old testament where jesus was believed to be God?

John1:1 "In the beginning was the "Word", and the "Word" was with God , and the "Word" was God."
John 1:14a " And the "Word" was made flesh, and dwelt among us."

There are 2 things involved here:

1) How can someone be with God and still be God?

2) Can you show me where Jesus himself teaches the above verse? remember jesus said 'A servant is not greater than his master.' is John greater than him?

3) How do you reconcile this verse “ God is not a man , that He should lie, Nor a son of man , that He shouldvrepent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?...We all know jesus was a man.

4) Jesus reitreited Moses message in Deuteronomy 6:4 in Mark 12:29 was he still refering to himself?

more questions coming.


Now those words in that verse quoted( Isaiah45:5) were indeed said by Christ himself. How i know.


Hmmm...Excuse me please, is Jesus the same as Yahweh?

Please read the whole chapter and pay attention to verses 12: He made all things. look at colossians 1:16: all things were made for and by Him.verse25: In the Lord shall all the seed be justified. Look at Galatians 2:16: justified by the faith of Christ.

First of all i believe Paul to be a false apostle.

Can you validate your point about Jesus being God with the words of jesus himself without that of his apostles since the servant his not greater than his master?
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Adminisher: 5:34pm On Nov 30, 2014
This is an anti christ move. They want to bring Ecumenism to prepare the way for the antichri
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Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Rilwayne001: 5:38pm On Nov 30, 2014
Adminisher:
This is an anti christ move. They want to bring Ecumenism to prepare the way for the antichri
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undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by rckdude: 5:46pm On Nov 30, 2014
Maamin:


So you believe all this hun! Later you turn around and say the bible is corrupt abii.. undecided mohahmmed must be turning over in his grave right now in disappointment.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Kassidy90(m): 5:51pm On Nov 30, 2014
Maamin:


Keep quiet joor..if you cant enter any church and praise and worship the way Christians do..stop that hypocrisy ok angry
Comments like urs makes me smiles.....u knw nothing about me or my believe, so pleaee do me a favour....shove it..
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by DaBullIT(m): 5:52pm On Nov 30, 2014
Maamin:


Ok are you done..finally we dont worship thesame God.. God has a unique and eternal name which he says we shall remember him with forever. "Yahweh" from the root words in hebrew "eiyeh asher eiyeh" meaning "I am who I am" or better yet "I will be what I will be"..on the other hand Allah means God in arabic langauge which I totally agree with you..have you ever asked a muslim the true name of Allah? *sips mountain dew*

Thanks , I'm not trying to prove over-sabi though . A question was asked and I answered , All I know for certain is that before the day of the Babylonians , whatever the name or the first civilization is @?@? The world spoke one language , God was angry because they tried to build a tower that'll reach heaven and that how the world began speaking different languages

From that biblical account of the event , its safe to say every tribe, nation, belief and religion was one ! Until tower of babel ,I am sure that you'll agree that information is suppressed OR exaggerated once it leaves the source , depending on who is making the report , Take Nigeria for example the stories of creation for Yoruba , Hausa and Igbo traditional beliefs are almost the same , One god sent a messenger , in Yoruba land Eledumare sent Oduduwa . Oduduwa had a Crow and sand and so the story goes

I guess my point , my assertion , my assumption is that my argument is not in the realm of impossibility , Keep a open mind and read a lot , you would see reason in my argument but it doesn't mean you must agree with me .

For more info , type your search word and end it with wiki. E.g. oduduwa story of creation wiki. You'll automatically be directed to wikipedia and that's a source you can trust 85%
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by rckdude: 5:52pm On Nov 30, 2014
paxonel:

if he comes back to the church, that means, that act of bowing down to shrine was not act of worship, but just a sign to pass one message,
that he as a christian, is not in a fight with any babalawo and his religion,
that everybody in the world have the right to practice any religion in the world, be it babalawo or anything.
but if he continues with the babalawo and do not come back to the church there after, that means, he has been converted into babalawo worship, away from Christianity.
in that case, i will conclude that, that is his choice, it will not in anyway affect the usual relationship i use to have with him outside religion

Bravo! Good for you. You and your church are very compatible. Anyways I should to follow the instruction of the bible; I won't be unequally yoked with unbelivers.

And am glad the pope only represents Catholics and not the christian world.
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 6:16pm On Nov 30, 2014
Kassidy90:

Comments like urs makes me smiles.....u knw nothing about me or my believe, so pleaee do me a favour....shove it..


Whatever your believe is, can you pay the same homage visit like the pope to other people's shrines and temples and pray and bow to what they bow to? undecided
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by drnoel: 6:21pm On Nov 30, 2014
Maamin:


What is this one saying sef? undecided

u saw what i wrote so tackle it
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 6:23pm On Nov 30, 2014
DaBullIT:


Thanks , I'm not trying to prove over-sabi though . A question was asked and I answered , All I know for certain is that before the day of the Babylonians , whatever the name or the first civilization is @?@? The world spoke one language , God was angry because they tried to build a tower that'll reach heaven and that how the world began speaking different languages

From that biblical account of the event , its safe to say every tribe, nation, belief and religion was one ! Until tower of babel ,I am sure that you'll agree that information is suppressed OR exaggerated once it leaves the source , depending on who is making the report , Take Nigeria for example the stories of creation for Yoruba , Hausa and Igbo traditional beliefs are almost the same , One god sent a messenger , in Yoruba land Eledumare sent Oduduwa . Oduduwa had a Crow and sand and so the story goes

I guess my point , my assertion , my assumption is that my argument is not in the realm of impossibility , Keep a open mind and read a lot , you would see reason in my argument but it doesn't mean you must agree with me .

For more info , type your search word and end it with wiki. E.g. oduduwa story of creation wiki. You'll automatically be directed to wikipedia and that's a source you can trust 85%


Ok, I repeat again we dont worship thesame God..thanks!
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Kassidy90(m): 6:25pm On Nov 30, 2014
Maamin:


Whatever your believe is, can you pay the same homage visit like the pope to other people's shrines and temples and pray and bow to what they bow to? undecided
Thats y i asked u to shove it......because u dont knw me
Re: Pope Francis Prays In Istanbul's Blue Mosque by Maamin(m): 6:26pm On Nov 30, 2014
drnoel:


u saw what i wrote so tackle it

Couldnt make any sense out of it that's why..come again pls!

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