Radoillo:



So it is likely that before urbanization spread among the Somalis, some nomadic Somali could have looked and dressed like these so-called Afars, yes?

Nope because we had a traditional dress code before both urbanization and islam

muafrika:
Marsabit, Northern Kenya. Your relatives, just chilling.

Btw, are you guys rejecting your kinship to the Oromo?

Don't know who those people are but their not related to Somalis, nor do they speak a Cushitic language. Oromo is a large group of people, some are Muslim other are not, Some are mixed with Nilotic, those in the North are mixed with Tigrey/Amahara, and those in the east are heavily influenced by Somalis.


Oromo is not a homogenous group like Somalis, they don't all have the same culture, religion, etc.

axum:



Come on now, when Somalis use Bantu, do they differentiate between Ghanian and South African? The politically incorrect term is Jareer which means nappy haired

No they do not but that doesn't make it right

Muafrica, I know you're there.

How are you bro?

Radoillo:



So it is likely that before urbanization spread among the Somalis, some nomadic Somali could have looked and dressed like these so-called Afars, yes?

Somalis are conservative people, before the existence of the people who identify themselves as Somalis, we were just one people all the Cushitic people. As you can see from the great History of Axum, Punt, we were always urban and had great civilizations. Somali culture is clannish and prideful, its unprideful to be naked especially infront of your own clan/family/relatives.

Warya Axum,

Artan K directed a question to me and I answered it.

How come he didn't have the balls to answer me when I redirected it to him?

Or is he not MJ

Maakhir:


No they do not but that doesn't make it right

how can you say no, and then say it doesnt make it right? lol

Somalis use Jaareer (nappy haired) and the more politically term is Black, or Bantu.

Maakhir:
Warya Axum,

Artan K directed a question to me and I answered it.

How come he didn't have the balls to answer me when I redirected it to him?

Or is he not MJ

Stop with the Qabil man, we are representing Somalis here. Who cares what Qabil your or he is. You take somethings way to far sometimes.
Why do you care if he didnt answer you a question, are you some little kid?

Maakhir:
Muafrica, I know you're there.

How are you bro?

Am good my friend.

Radillo, I know your there

How are you bro?

axum:



Somalis are conservative people, before the existence of the people who identify themselves as Somalis, we were just one people all the Cushitic people. As you can see from the great History of Axum, Punt, we were always urban and had great civilizations. Somali culture is clannish and prideful, its unprideful to be naked especially infront of your own clan/family/relatives.

The way you want to mash up all Cushitic groups as one when you want to claim the glory of Axum (which was the creation of south semitic-speaking groups, a back movement from Arabia), but insist they were all totally separate peoples when the issues of Cushitic slaves and naked Cushitic women come up is really, really funny.

Radoillo:


The way you want to mash up all Cushitic groups as one when you want to claim the glory of Axum (which was the creation of south semitic-speaking groups, a back movement from Arabia), but insist they were all totally separate peoples when the issues of Cushitic slaves and naked Cushitic women come up is really, really funny.

slowpoke, there was no Somali identity, Amahara identity more than 1,000 years ago. It is well known that all horn africans are related, and came from the highlands of Ethiopia.

It even says in the Quran that during the time of the prophet, when they sought refuge in Zeila (present day northern Somalia), it was ruled by Abyssinia. It was after Islam that Somalis started to accept Islam and get an Idenity.


Who knows what people wore back in the day, but I can tell you Somalis are conservative and have always clothed themselves. Ofcourse if you go back long enough, thousands of years, all humans were primitive. How can Cushitic people be naked when they had civilizations that conquered Arabia, Kush, Egypt.

axum:


how can you say no, and then say it doesnt make it right? lol

Somalis use Jaareer (nappy haired) and the more politically term is Black, or Bantu.

We also have a word for your hair.

I find it interesting how you use the term black. It was a colour last time I checked. I have seen darker skinned Somalis. Wait, Cushites too?...more than I have Bantus.

I just fished out one of your famed urban dwellings. Straight off the motherland.

muafrika:
We also have a word for your hair.

I find it interesting how you use the term black. It was a colour last time I checked. I have seen darker skinned Somalis. Wait, Cushites too?...more than I have Bantus.

I just fished out one of your famed urban dwellings. Straight off the motherland.

Why are you inteested in the way i USE BLACK? Its how all Somalis use it, we use the word to describe Bantus. We consider ourselves Somali

axum:



We refer to Bantus as anyone in Subsaharan Africa who is not Cushitic/Nubian

Alright. I get it. What I don't get though is what makes you think Somalis were a more civilized lot than (for example) the 'Bantu' Mandes of West Africa.

Mande peoples created urban centres in Tichit-Walata and Jenne long before any sign of urbanization showed up in Somali territory (as old as 2000BC).

Mande empires: Ghana, Mali, Songhai (which had a dynasty of Mande origin) were by their sheer size and renown greater than anything historians know from Somaliland.

Does anything in Somaliland rival the intellectual output of Timbuktu in Mali, with its libraries and thousands of books on astronomy, medicine, etc, its scholars and its university (the oldest in Africa, south of Egypt and Morocco)?

a cursory internet search will also educate you on how elaborately dressed 'Bantu' groups like the Nupe, the Hausa, the Yoruba, et cetera were in precolonial days.

Each time you say Somalis were more civilised than 'Bantus', I just wanna throw my head back and laugh.

Radoillo:


Alright. I get it. What I don't get though is what makes you think Somalis were a more civilized lot than (for example) the 'Bantu' Mandes of West Africa.

Mande peoples created urban centres in Tichit-Walata and Jenne long before any sign of urbanization showed up in Somali territory (as old as 2000BC).

Mande empires: Ghana, Mali, Songhai (which had a dynasty of Mande origin) were by their sheer size and renown greater than anything historians know from Somaliland.

Does anything in Somaliland rival the intellectual output of Timbuktu in Mali, with its libraries and thousands of books on astronomy, medicine, etc, its scholars and its university (the oldest in Africa, south of Egypt and Morocco)?

a cursory internet search will also educate you on how elaborately dressed 'Bantu' groups like the Nupe, the Hausa, the Yoruba, et cetera were in precolonial days.

Each time you say Somalis were more civilised than 'Bantus', I just wanna throw my head back and laugh.

First what you know today as Somalia, never existed till 1960. Historians (especially) Europeans easily know that Somalis have achieved a lot historically in terms of trade. Take for Example Punt which traded with Egypt, China, etc. Adjuran which was the first to use Cannons in warfare, Adal Sultanate, even if you go further you will see Axum, Abyssinia which was created by the forefathers of modern day Somalis and other Cushitic people.


You cannot compare Bantu history to Cushitic history. Its also unfair to compare Somali to Bantu (even though we did more historically) because Somali history starts only when the people in the region started to believe in a Somali identity, just as today their was no Nigerian identity 100 years ago.


So you would have to talk about Cushitic identity if you go back more than 1,400 years ago.

axum:



slowpoke, there was no Somali identity, Amahara identity more than 1,000 years ago. It is well known that all horn africans are related, and came from the highlands of Ethiopia.

It even says in the Quran that during the time of the prophet, when they sought refuge in Zeila (present day northern Somalia), it was ruled by Abyssinia. It was after Islam that Somalis started to accept Islam and get an Idenity.


Who knows what people wore back in the day, but I can tell you Somalis are conservative and have always clothed themselves. Ofcourse if you go back long enough, thousands of years, all humans were primitive. How can Cushitic people be naked when they had civilizations that conquered Arabia, Kush, Egypt.

Retard, the exact names 'Somali' and 'Amhara' may not have been in use 1,000 years ago. But the embryo groups that gave rise to both groups were already distinct over 1,000 years ago. Only a dunce would suggest Cushitic groups (Oromo, Somali) and South Semitic groups (Amhara, Tigre etc) were indistinguishable 1,000 years ago. The linguistic distance between both language families take us back over a thousand years.

Axum was not created by your Cushitic people, but by a group that moved in at a later period in history from Arabia and developed into the peoples that became the Amhara, the Tigre etc. Deal with it! Stick to bragging about your little-known Ajuuran and Adal.

axum:



Why are you interested in the way i USE BLACK? Its how all Somalis use it, we use the word to describe Bantus. We consider ourselves Somali

Of course you are your tribe. We too refer to you as Somali, and to the other neighbour by their tribe.

All Africans are proudly their tribe.

Most of the poeple on the continent are also categorized as black in terms of skin colour...of course there are shades of browns, just as there are pinks and what-have-you in the white category. So you are not black, not white, yellow, what is your colour. Don't give me your tribe. Every body has one.

Radoillo:



Retard, the exact names 'Somali' and 'Amhara' may not have been in use 1,000 years ago. But the embryo groups that gave rise to both groups were already distinct over 1,000 years ago. Only a dunce would suggest Cushitic groups (Oromo, Somali) and South Semitic groups (Amhara, Tigre etc) were indistinguishable 1,000 years ago. The linguistic distance between both language families take us back over a thousand years.

Axum was not created by your Cushitic people, but by a group that moved in at a later period in history from Arabia and developed into the peoples that became the Amhara, the Tigre etc. Deal with it! Stick to bragging about your little-known Ajuuran and Adal.

Lol, you are making up your own history now. So Arabs passed Somalis and went all the way into the highlands of Ethiopia, where scientist know all Cushitic originated from?


I don't know to take you seriously. It was Axum that went into Yemen and controlled them, and it was the Yemenis who eventually fought us and kicked us out. How can Arabs come into the middle of Ethiopia and then go to war against their own people in a few years?

muafrika:


Of course you are your tribe. We too refer to you as Somali, and to the other neighbour by their tribe.

All Africans are proudly their tribe.

Most of the poeple on the continent are also categorized as black in terms of skin colour...of course there are shades of browns, just as there are pinks and what-have-you in the white category. So you are not black, not white, yellow, what is your colour. Don't give me your tribe. Every body has one.

Your missing the point. Somalis genuinetly do not refer to themselves as Black, but use it to describe Bantus, we don't even call Ethiopians black nor do they call themselves that.

axum:



Lol, you are making up your own history now. So Arabs passed Somalis and went all the way into the highlands of Ethiopia, where scientist know all Cushitic originated from?


I don't know to take you seriously. It was Axum that went into Yemen and controlled them, and it was the Yemenis who eventually fought us and kicked us out. How can Arabs come into the middle of Ethiopia and then go to war against their own people in a few years?

Oh, you really are ignorant. The fact that you think all groups who migrated from Arabia as early as 4,000 years ago were Arabs shows how mightily ignorant you are. When you've educated yourself more about the origins of Semitic people and how they wound up in Eritrea and Ethiopia, come back. I can't deal with this level of ignorance of basic history.

Radoillo:


Oh, you really are ignorant. The fact that you think all groups who migrated from Arabia as early as 4,000 years ago were Arabs shows how mightily ignorant you are. When you've educated yourself more about the origins of Semitic people and how they wound up in Eritrea and Ethiopia, come back. I can't deal with this level of ignorance of basic history.

the people in Ethiopia are not Semetic but linguistically speak a language closer to Arabic, Somalis too speak Cushitic which is in the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew collectively called Afroasiatic.

Also Somalis look like Amahra and tigers and are identical, it is proven that Somalis came from the highlands of Ethiopia, so if your saying Arabs came to Ethiopia and created Amahara and Tigrey than that should be true of Somalis too, since there was no Somali identity over 1,000 years ago, even the cities in northern Somalia were part of Abyssinia.


You make no sense in your reasoning. Besides I wish there was an Ethiopian here. Again it was Horners who controlled Arabia not the other way around. To say that a Arabs went into the Horn, and magically created Tigrey and Amahara and then went to war with Yemen and got kicked out, then helped Somalis against 'their so called descendants who by your logic are Tigrey/Amahra' doesnt make any sense at all.

I don't even know why I am taking this seriously as even Europeans have proven that Somalis and other Cushitic people are native to the Horn.

We have maps for a reason, go read one.

axum:



the people in Ethiopia are not Semetic but linguistically speak a language closer to Arabic, Somalis too speak Cushitic which is in the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew collectively called Afroasiatic.

Also Somalis look like Amahra and tigers and are identical, it is proven that Somalis came from the highlands of Ethiopia, so if your saying Arabs came to Ethiopia and created Amahara and Tigrey than that should be true of Somalis too, since there was no Somali identity over 1,000 years ago, even the cities in northern Somalia were part of Abyssinia.


You make no sense in your reasoning. Besides I wish there was an Ethiopian here. Again it was Horners who controlled Arabia not the other way around. To say that a Arabs went into the Horn, and magically created Tigrey and Amahara and then went to war with Yemen and got kicked out, then helped Somalis against 'their so called descendants who by your logic are Tigrey/Amahra' doesnt make any sense at all.

I don't even know why I am taking this seriously as even Europeans have proven that Somalis and other Cushitic people are native to the Horn.

Dude, grow a brain. Where did I say the Semitic people who crossed the Red Sea into Ethiopia/Eritrea at least 4,000 years ago were Arabs?

Arabia is the urhemait of all the groups that speak/spoke Semitic languages: Hebrews, the Aramaic people in Syria, the ancient Babylonians and Assyrians, the Phoenicians. This does not mean all those people were Arabs, unless you want to suggest all Semites are/were Arabs.

axum:


Your missing the point. Somalis genuinetly do not refer to themselves as Black, but use it to describe Bantus, we don't even call Ethiopians black nor do they call themselves that.

What do you call Oromos? Remember you just rejected their kinship.

Radoillo:


Dude, grow a brain. Where did I say the Semitic people who crossed the Red Sea into Ethiopia/Eritrea at least 4,000 years ago were Arabs?

Arabia is the urhemait of all the groups that speak/spoke Semitic languages: Hebrews, the Aramaic people in Syria, the ancient Babylonians and Assyrians, the Phoenicians. This does not mean all those people were Arabs, unless you want to suggest all Semites are/were Arabs.

It is scientifically proven that their was no Somali, Amahra, Tigrey identity over 1000 years ago. Which is why much of the Somali territory was controlled by Axum/Abyssinaia until the rise of Islam.

So you cannot say Amahra and Somalis are not related since we all came from the highlands of Ethiopia.

i don't even know what your point is, or what point you are trying to make?

I should add that i'm deeply amused at how this 'Axum' person hijacks every Bantu thread and turns it into a senseless back-and-forth about 'superior' Somalis.

The insecurity is real.

Most of us here only remember there are a people called Somalis when you make a comment.

muafrika:
What do you call Oromos? Remember you just rejected their kinship.

Oromo are Cushitc, and did not reject their kinship, I just said they are not ethnically Somali. We call them Oromo. But understand that Oromo widely vary they adapt to whoever is near them, the ones near northern Ethiopia intermix with Amahra and Tigrey, and the ones near Somalis intermix with us and are Muslim. Where as most Tigrey and Amahra are Christian and All Somalis are muslim, but Oromo are half and half.

Radoillo:
I should add that i'm deeply amused at how this 'Axum' person hijacks every Bantu thread and turns it into a senseless back-and-forth about 'superior' Somalis.

The insecurity is real.

Most of us here only remember there are a people called Somalis when you make a comment.

Didnt hijack this thread, am only responding to crazy statements that don't even make sense. You change topics when you are at a dead end. Just minutes ago you were harping about Axum being created by Amahra and Tigrey and not Somalis, even though their were no such identities that long ago. lol I guess you are moving on

axum:



It is scientifically proven that their was no Somali, Amahra, Tigrey identity over 1000 years ago. Which is why much of the Somali territory was controlled by Axum/Abyssinaia until the rise of Islam.

So you cannot say Amahra and Somalis are not related since we all came from the highlands of Ethiopia.

i don't even know what your point is, or what point you are trying to make?

No, it is not scientifically proven that Somali, Amhara and Tigrey were indistinguishable 1000 years ago. Somalis and Oromos could have been indistinguishable, given how closely related they were and still are. Amhara and Somalis on the other hand have always been worlds apart. Lemme ask you the same thing you asked Wulfruna: Post a link.

Viva Bantu women strong gorgeous and glamourous ladies. .. Again thank God I m a Bantu this is such a pride and honour for the rest this is just a kind of joke for me

axum:



Didnt hijack this thread, am only responding to crazy statements that don't even make sense. You change topics when you are at a dead end. Just minutes ago you were harping about Axum being created by Amahra and Tigrey and not Somalis, even though their were no such identities that long ago. lol I guess you are moving on

I haven't shifted grounds. The ancestors of the Amhara and Tigrey created Axum. They came from the other side of the Red Sea. From Arabia. They probably interbred with Cushitic people who preceded them in the horn of Africa, I won't dispute that. They spoke South Semitic languages, not Cushitic. Undisputed historical facts.

Radoillo:


No, it is not scientifically proven that Somali, Amhara and Tigrey were indistinguishable 1000 years ago. Somalis and Oromos could have been indistinguishable, given how closely related they were and still are. Amhara and Somalis on the other hand have always been worlds apart. Lemme ask you the same thing you asked Wulfruna: Post a link.

Lets do some math. i have 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 great grand parents, etc. Each generation is 25 years. There are 100 million Horn Africans

Meaning we all have same ancestor if you go back 1,000 years ago.