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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 3:05pm On Jan 12, 2015
Coogar what do u have to say concerning Falcao's absence...

Coleman or Clyne??who do u prefer??
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by adebayo201: 3:10pm On Jan 12, 2015
to me, Falcao absent cost us not so much. Those on the bench and even the starting eleven are enough to damage Soton blue black but the substitution caused us.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 3:16pm On Jan 12, 2015
coogar:


rooney lost us the game.
i have never seen any player so useless in a red shirt. mata offered options for valencia all night, rooney didn't do the same on shaw's side and he left shaw too exposed whenever southampton bombed forward.

we have been told here rooney would do a better job than RVP if played as a striker. last night revealed rooney is useless as a striker. it was mata that was playing as a striker, getting into the box and making runs behind the southampton defence, rooney was nowhere to be found. the attacking play collapsed when RVP got subbed. his brilliant hold up play was highly missed.

rooney has no football intelligence to wait for the ball. he goes searching for it & when we break and put the ball in the box, rooney is not there to connect the crosses. he's lost the striker instinct and he's the reason players like falcao & di maria can't really get going. di maria gets played out of position & falcao can't even get into the line up.

3-5-2 isn't the problem, rooney is the problem!
I don't agree with your last statement. Word on the street is that fans are not happy with the 3-5-2 Louis van Gaal has employed for recent games. I agree with that too but closer observation shows the number of goals conceded has been reduced; yet the attack has been really poor. Earlier, the blame was on Mouroane Fellaini not been skillful with the ball enough, but recently he has not been around and the attack is still very blunt.

The analysts after the game yesterday talked about how the players lined up for yesterday's game was perfect for a 4-3-3 formation or a 4-4-2 attacking formation; and also highlighted the deployment of players out of position that berates optimum output, and also the presence of more defenders on the bench because the manager is insisting on the 3-5-2.

If really the current group of players at his disposal are no good fit for the 3-5-2 cum 5-3-2 formation, why then is he trying?

The most glaring flaw from Louis van Gaal are his substitutions. The are always so poor

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:20pm On Jan 12, 2015
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 4:34pm On Jan 12, 2015
Where is Coogar?

I need answers RE the embarrassing loss to a team playing league one football just a few years ago! tongue
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 4:37pm On Jan 12, 2015
coogar:

rooney lost us the game.
i have never seen any player so useless in a red shirt. mata offered options for valencia all night, rooney didn't do the same on shaw's side and he left shaw too exposed whenever southampton bombed forward.
we have been told here rooney would do a better job than RVP if played as a striker. last night revealed rooney is useless as a striker. it was mata that was playing as a striker, getting into the box and making runs behind the southampton defence, rooney was nowhere to be found. the attacking play collapsed when RVP got subbed. his brilliant hold up play was highly missed.
rooney has no football intelligence to wait for the ball. he goes searching for it & when we break and put the ball in the box, rooney is not there to connect the crosses. he's lost the striker instinct and he's the reason players like falcao & di maria can't really get going. di maria gets played out of position & falcao can't even get into the line up.
3-5-2 isn't the problem, rooney is the problem!

Your Rooney witch hunt is waxing stronger by the minute.....

Rooney lost you the game and is the most useless player in a red shirt? Amazing!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:12pm On Jan 12, 2015
Odunharry:
Coogar what do u have to say concerning Falcao's absence...

Coleman or Clyne??who do u prefer??

falcao's absence cost us....big time!
he would have added to our attacking threat towards the end of the game where rooney became anonymous and we had to send fellaini up top.

what was LVG thinking? falcao is fit but he dropped him for blackett, wilson, evans, paddy mcnair? it doesn't make any sense especially when he knew RVP/di maria weren't going to complete 90 mins.

ChristineC:

I don't agree with your last statement. Word on the street is that fans are not happy with the 3-5-2 Louis van Gaal has employed for recent games. I agree with that too but closer observation shows the number of goals conceded has been reduced; yet the attack has been really poor. Earlier, the blame was on Mouroane Fellaini not been skillful with the ball enough, but recently he has not been around and the attack is still very blunt.

3-5-2 isn't the problem. carrick sat in front of the back 3 - he was more or less a defender, it's just that his position was a little bit more ahead of the back 3. 3-5-2 isn't responsible for di maria's shïtstorm or mata's inability to score at least 2 of his 3 decent chances he got!


The analysts after the game yesterday talked about how the players lined up for yesterday's game was perfect for a 4-3-3 formation or a 4-4-2 attacking formation; and also highlighted the deployment of players out of position that berates optimum output, and also the presence of more defenders on the bench because the manager is insisting on the 3-5-2.

4-4-2/4-4-3 wouldn't have helped us break down that resolute southampton defence. we had too many passengers in the team. valencia's game play was 100% but his final ball was a disgrace throughout. he got into good positions but chose the wrong option each time.


If really the current group of players at his disposal are no good fit for the 3-5-2 cum 5-3-2 formation, why then is he trying?
The most glaring flaw from Louis van Gaal are his substitutions. The are always so poor

LVG has made a rod for his own back when he declared rooney is undroppable even when he keeps on producing shïtstorm after shïtstorm. no one knows rooney's best position. he can play anywhere but he's not particularly the best at any position.

LVG's substitutions were poor - they have been mostly awful and it's because his selection has been jekyll & hide. i will never understand why he pushed di maria upfront. if we were set to counterattack, then no wahala. however, we were against a team that sat deep and waited for us to make mistakes and punish us.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by igbsam(m): 5:14pm On Jan 12, 2015
Van Gaal goofed and he messed up the team/game by putting square pegs in round holes. This is useless system will cost us the UCL if he doesn't drop this is childish stubbornness
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:14pm On Jan 12, 2015
ElFenomeno1:


Your Rooney witch hunt is waxing stronger by the minute.....

Rooney lost you the game and is the most useless player in a red shirt? Amazing!

go and sit down!
you always disappear any time arsënal lose games.......only to reappear when they win. you are a fair weather fan.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 5:18pm On Jan 12, 2015
coogar:


go and sit down!
you always disappear any time arsënal lose games.......only to reappear when they win. you are a fair weather fan.

Hahaha. I have been travelling dude.
Stable now.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:21pm On Jan 12, 2015
ElFenomeno1:


Hahaha. I have been travelling dude.
Stable now.

i bet you were travelling to the most uncivilised parts of the planet. no internet & no electricity. anytime arsenal win their games, you reappear again.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by liveLongNprospa(m): 5:31pm On Jan 12, 2015
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:34pm On Jan 12, 2015
liveLongNprospa:
lipsrsealed

so moyes had already lost 6 points at this stage last season & he was the 7th best team? LVG is still much better. position is the key, not the points accrued.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 5:37pm On Jan 12, 2015
For me ,LVG made d biggest mistake by partnering RVP n Di maria at d front ,What d bloody hell was he thinking? why not partner RVP n Rooney? we took dis match for granted n we paid dearly for dat ,we thought dat soton r going to play with dia normal passing game but de didn't n we should hv figured it out by d second half... n what's with LVG dropping Falcao from d match day squad n putting d likes of Wilson n Blackett on d bench? it was clear dat we need an aerial threat after we conceded n let's face it,Fellaini offers us height not goal threat...


LVG's substitutions r as usual crap!!! putting Blackett n den moving blind to d wing,seriously? oh! n playing Rooney upfront alone whereas Rooney could have done better playing as an ss .please for fvcks sake ,he should ditch dis 352 formation, we don't hv ball playing defenders n our midfield was slow with maria playing upfront, I get d "I want to use d formation dat will contain d whole players" but he should just drop it or flex his muscles in d transfer window n get d players dat will adapt to dis formation cos dis ain't d Italian serie A but d EPL!!!

And dis man for once should take d blame of messing things up, The only difference between Moyes's team n LVG's is dat we r 4th while Moyes had us in 7th at dis stage last season
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Jan 12, 2015
Coogar said Rooney lost us the game? Ukwu!!!

Who even lost possession in midfiled in the lead up to the goal? If it were Rooney who lost possession, gifs for don full here.

Mata lost chances too:

Juan Mata has insisted that Manchester United did not deserve to lose their home encounter against Southampton yesterday afternoon.
"To be honest, I don't think we deserved to lose against Southampton. They scored after the break in one of the few chances they had, after a ball that rebounded on the post, and then we tried everything to tie the game. I think we deserved that goal,
"In the last 20 minutes we had chances. I had three myself, but yesterday it seemed the ball just didn't want to go in. It would've been very important to make some of them because I believe we could have even won. I tried every possible way until the end, but we just couldn't make it. Next time it will be a different story, I'm sure."

.........


Even if Rooney gave a MOTM performance and lost a chance, he would be blamed. But na Mata and Carrick cost us. No blame. Smalling lost possessions that Jones blailed him out. Jones is useless he said. Na wao!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:08pm On Jan 12, 2015
di maria made FIFPRO11....

what an achievement!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by royale442(m): 7:13pm On Jan 12, 2015
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 7:32pm On Jan 12, 2015
royale442:
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This team reminds me of dat samsung save the earth challenge... Even aliens will postpone their attack if dey see this kind team
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ibime(m): 7:32pm On Jan 12, 2015
FIFPRO 11 is a joke!!!

WTF are David Luiz (who embarrassed himself all year) and Iniesta (living off Xavi his whole career, and has failed to carry the Barca midfield since Xavi disappeared) doing on there? They both had poor seasons.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:34pm On Jan 12, 2015
One more thing Coogar doesn't understand football tactics.

1. Coogar thinks Mata and Rooney functioned as two CMs. No, despite both played in front of Carrick, Rooney was the CM while Mata was the AM. Rooney was to cover up any defensive lapses for Carrick, while Mata was meant to. Play higher. Formation is different from tactics.

2. If Mata is credited for making Valencia function (even though Val had always functioned without Mata),

(A) should we not also credit Rooney for making Young function all the while? Is it only negativities that should be ascribed to Rooney.

(B) should we not blame Mata for failing Rafael in the wing back in the previous league game?

3. RVP played 60 about mins and did not score, Rooney who had exhausted his energy in midfiield should be blamed for not scoring in about 30 mins?









I have always said some people don't know ball.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:40pm On Jan 12, 2015
Ibime:
FIFPRO 11 is a joke!!!

WTF are David Luiz (who embarrassed himself all year) and Iniesta (living off Xavi his whole career, and has failed to carry the Barca midfield since Xavi disappeared) doing on there? They both had poor seasons.

The Luiz I saw in some UCL matches was magnificent. He made dire saves (tackles, clearances, etc) that were world class.

Iniester was still doing well last season. I have not monitored him well this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48pm On Jan 12, 2015
FACT:

Last season under David Moyes, Rooney average more than one goal per match as a lone striker.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 7:51pm On Jan 12, 2015
elampiro:


The Luiz I saw in some UCL matches was magnificent. He made dire saves (tackles, clearances, etc) that were world class.

Iniester was still doing well last season. I have not monitored him well this season.

This is wat someone said on dailymail

"So.. If the world cup is that important why are both Brazil´s Centre backs, who took 7 goals from Germany, in FIFPro World XI?" and in i add

Why would a low win the best coach for a tournament that is not highly regarded (according to FIFA selection for awards) as achievement in European football.. why is Simeone not taking that award?

I remember messi n 2010 world cup... FIFA sha
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Tval(m): 7:51pm On Jan 12, 2015
Now I know this award is a joke..

Van persie deserved the puska award not james
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 8:05pm On Jan 12, 2015
Ronaldo wins it again cheesy

Congrats to him!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ibime(m): 8:10pm On Jan 12, 2015
elampiro:


The Luiz I saw in some UCL matches was magnificent. He made dire saves (tackles, clearances, etc) that were world class.

Iniester was still doing well last season. I have not monitored him well this season.

You musta been watching with your eyes closed. He was personally at fault for 2 goals against PSG, and we lost 3-1 in the next round, so which game did you see him playing well? Against Galatasaray?

And Iniesta going strong enough to finish in FIFPRO11? You must be joking! Iniesta lacks vision or decisiveness, and cannot control games like Xavi. Since Xavi's ankles gave way, Iniesta has been treading water. I'm personally offended that Iniesta was put on the same pedestal as Xavi for many years, even finishing above him in voting for player of the year. Xavi would sit deep, control the game from start to finish, dictate tempo, create 17 assists per season from a deep position whilst Iniesta would be in the attacking midfield, do a few dribbles and some apes would be chanting, then create only 5 assists for the season and some geezers would be calling him the best, when Xavi dey there. SMH.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:13pm On Jan 12, 2015
It was never in doubt... Cristiano Ronaldo, World best...

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Keky(m): 8:15pm On Jan 12, 2015
Yesterday, na southampton kill them. Today, na James. Lol
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Tval(m): 8:15pm On Jan 12, 2015
Keky:
Yesterday, na southampton kill them. Today, na James. Lol
bad man cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 8:30pm On Jan 12, 2015
elampiro:
One more thing Coogar doesn't understand football tactics.

idïocy at his best....


1. Coogar thinks Mata and Rooney functioned as two CMs. No, despite both played in front of Carrick, Rooney was the CM while Mata was the AM. Rooney was to cover up any defensive lapses for Carrick, while Mata was meant to. Play higher. Formation is different from tactics.

we played 3-1-4-2. the four behind the front 2 included valencia shaw mata and rooney. mata wasn't anymore advanced than rooney in the game - and he played the game of his life even when the formation was tweaked and rooney moved into top striker position. mata wasn't any AM, stop lying.


2. If Mata is credited for making Valencia function (even though Val had always functioned without Mata),

(A) should we not also credit Rooney for making Young function all the while? Is it only negativities that should be ascribed to Rooney.

(B) should we not blame Mata for failing Rafael in the wing back in the previous league game?

we are talking about yesterday's game - don't dig up the past. rooney lost us the game was the statement you are trying to rebut. don't bring up games that was played in 1985 that had a different circumstance or personnel in the team.

rooney was uber-useless.


3. RVP played 60 about mins and did not score, Rooney who had exhausted his energy in midfiield should be blamed for not scoring in about 30 mins?

I have always said some people don't know ball.

how would RVP score when rooney kept making idiotïc passes all game. everytime we broke, RVP made intelligent runs and rooney the cow offered an idiötic through ball. RVP at least had an attempt that was blocked - rooney did not make a single attempt in 90 mins at old trafford - what a shame!


let's look at rooney's performance.....

exhibit a:

LVG decided to tweak the formation & moved blind to the wingback position, this was a chess move to allow accurate passing from the left channel to the strikers. blind supplied heavenly crosses into the box but what did rooney do with them?



from the position rooney made the first touch, you would expect a world class player earning £300,000 per week to destroy the defender and make the goalie work. rooney thought otherwise and ran into traffic......and then lost the ball foolishly.

where's the football intelligence? grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 8:35pm On Jan 12, 2015
exhibit b:

united broke and rooney was in possession of the ball. van persie offered himself for a through ball from rooney but how did rooney execute the pass? grin



even a slow coach like mikel obi would have treaded an accurate pass in this situation but rooney miscued a simple short pass yet again........and people keep blaming 3-5-2.

3-5-2 isn't the problem, rooney is....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Tval(m): 8:38pm On Jan 12, 2015
cheesy grin

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