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Re: All atheists worship and rever God by davien(m): 1:14am On Mar 06, 2015 |
RexBrita:Educate? You demonstrably lied throughout this topic.....and pretend to agree with my response when it's a rebuttal... |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 2:39am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Don't expect to be taking seriously when you say things like atheism is a religion and do not confuse pantheism as anything other than atheism. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 12:38pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Davien i have been as honest as anyone can. when you read all the responses of other 'atheists' here, you will see i am very correct. apparently, just like in other religions, atheism has denominations too. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by johnydon22(m): 1:25pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
RexBrita: I blatantly disagree with you on this... thats a big lie 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 1:41pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
RexBrita: Lol, since when did having different opinions and views become denominations? All the way from your OP you've only created false equivalents. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Kay17: 2:08pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
RexBrita: I think most people who need God to love them, they lack self-love. They are low in confidence and see themselves as shadows. Therefore, they go around searching for love/attention from other people. They have never experienced God's love, they dont actually need it; what they are really after is other people's attention/approval. In my belief, they are psychologically ill. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 8:21pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
I guess we share some agreement since you didn't criticize my position. Your first sentence is a fallacy of generalisation because even if there are such people (it cannot be proved that the set is exclusive to theism), not all theists belong there. All religions have a lot of truly satisfied people as members. If people need to be loved, then they must get it from those who are rich in love. So even by your stance, there are satisfied theists. God, for theists, is manifest in all creation but bigger than creation. So, for them, experiencing love from other people or circumstances is still love from God. In Christianity for example, showing love to others is the central theme. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Kay17: 2:20am On Mar 08, 2015 |
RexBrita: I did not say there are no satisfied members of religions, rather I focused on love crusading religions like Christianity and its New Age copies. And more importantly I'm focusing on the their deep craving desire to be loved. They might believe they receive and enjoy such love, my concern such desire is psychological wrong. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 6:12am On Mar 08, 2015 |
@ Kay17 I agree 100% that some people's practice of religion (not just Christianity) fits well into your description. They are 'blind', confused and need help. But it is not new: remember that Jesus acknowledged the 'lost', 'blind', people described as seeds sown on rocks, sown among thorns etc. And should the leader of any denomination be 'blind', He/She raises an army of 'blinder' followers who agressively defend their "faith". It is a sad reality. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 6:41am On Mar 08, 2015 |
In the beginning, ,all God's creation had the ability to understand him immediately they were created.Lucifer and adam both understood God immediately they were created. but when sin came,that ability was taken away.when sin came to the earth and God cursed man,that ability to understand God was gone.Now,you have to first obey God before you can understand him.obey him by first believing in him.then you can understand him.And the more you obey him,they more you will receive back that understanding from him.You can Only know if something is true or not if you start searching for it.and the fact that you are searching for it shows a belief in the possibility of it's existence in you.if you,an athiest have never believed in God all your life you have to search for him with all your heart and you will find him. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 9:23am On Mar 08, 2015 |
@ Dux01 I suppose you didn't read all of what I wrote. I believe that atheists ACTUALLY believe and search for God just like you. The intensity, method and specifics of the belief and search may differ between theists and atheists (just like between religions) but the purpose, motive and direction of that search are prcisely the same. Some are more ardent in seeking than most theists. Forget what christians or theism calls things and just focus on what is being described: you may say "God talking to people" and atheists say "inspiration"; you say "prayer", they say "thought"; and the likes. If Christianity, and religion in general, keeps labelling others to score a point, they forget Jesus ate with the Gentiles, accepted Samaritans and dined with outcasts to show that it is not what people and groups are called that endears them to God. Peter was told in his dream to choose from all of what God created and eat without discrimination. Jesus said that not all those who call Him Father Father will make it to Heaven but those who abide by the commandment(s) of God. And that commandment is only Love - for God and for fellow man. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Kay17: 4:29pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
RexBrita: Do you crave to be loved? 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 4:45pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
RexBrita:it is a lie.the prurpose,motive and direction of the search is not the same.it is after the devil has corrupted their minds that they start searching. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 7:46pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
@ Dux01 OK o. @ Kay17 Lol...that got a smile outta moi. Absolutely No. I do not crave love. I have more than enough love about me. Btw, the love I refer to is that preached by Jesus. To do unto other what u would that they to you. It is more blessed to give love than to receive. I am an ardent giver of love actually. To love is to be trully concerned about the progress of other and to invest in that progress in any way one can. It could be by teaching, praying, guiding or offering physical, emotional, psychological or spiritual (I don't know much about spiritual though) inputs in a completely selfless manner. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Kay17: 10:39pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
RexBrita: @ the first bolded line, are you saying you do not presently crave for love because you have enough of the love from your religion? Because if that's case, you are one of those that possibly seek out religion for love. @ the second bolded line. But what is the entire point of giving love and selfless acts to other people?! Why give at all, what are the merits of it? Especially when you pamper and spoil the people seeking for this love because they actually lack self-love. It is similar to opium and other opiate drugs. The drugs give immediate respite but are destructive and dont build. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 7:42am On Mar 09, 2015 |
@ Kay17 First, you have greatly derailed from the topic. We can extensively discuss love but not on this thread. Second, you have gone personal, talking about me instead of the ideas brought forth. Third, I am not wooing anyone to theism or atheism. Since u already have answers u are comfortable with, why ask questions? Aren't you the one craving for attention? |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Kay17: 8:27am On Mar 09, 2015 |
RexBrita: Divine love was one of the proofs you listed, demonstrating the awareness of God's existence amongst atheists. So any discussions on love is incidental to the thread. By my word, I was not attacking you directly, I was merely trying to prove my points. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 10:42am On Mar 09, 2015 |
@ kay17 No! No! No! I didn't try to prove anything. Please read it well. I merely opined that theism and atheism, religion and science, have a common purpose. By God's love, mentioned only in the concluding part, I referred to everything positively available to humankind even before his existence. It will include all the systems that make up his body, all the systems in nature with which he produces newer systems and all the laws he has to work with like gravity, electromagnetism etc. Electricity has been in the world. Man just discovered it. Human love is not just charity - money, clothes, food etc. It includes everything man does to make life better. So all those around the world who research to end cancer, HIV, Polio, Malaria etc are filled with love. Those who have researched and produced technology with which man does more (human improvement) are people of love. The man who owns the store down my street saves me the trouble of driving to the market - it is a gift of love to my neighbourhood. In whatever work you, Kay17, do u may also be showing love. I won't derail anymore from the topic. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 10:32am On Mar 14, 2015 |
How do you think religions and denominations spring up? A minor shift in opinion creates a denomination. A major shift in opinion creates a religion. Same reply to you, Johnnydon |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by johnydon22(m): 12:57pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
RexBrita: Their is no creed or fundamental doctrine of any sort in atheism.. People just classify people that say "I dont believe a god exists" atheists and thats just it.. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 9:56pm On Mar 26, 2015 |
@Johnydon22 There is almost some sort of stigma attached to atheism by the religious in Africa (no, not just African). But deeper analysis of the thought processes involved on both sides will reveal we all chase after the same thing and do the same thing but dressed differently. So forget the window dressing. Atheists are our brothers. We should mean you no wrong. And same goes for you guys to theists. The fights really ain't necessary. Some atheists are better born-agains. And vice versa. Just look deeper. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by johnydon22(m): 10:05pm On Mar 26, 2015 |
RexBrita:What is that same thing we are chasing after please? and what do you mean by born-again you got me lost there 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 6:30pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
Come on Johny, go easy on these. I haven't said anything different from the original post. About born again? I meant I know atheists whose disposition to life are in line with christians call born-again. I also know theists who live like there is no God. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by johnydon22(m): 6:50pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
RexBrita:morality is what you liken to born again ish right? funny!! Being moral is not in anyway tantamount to the so called born again or living as if their is no god. . morality depends upon nothing for a foundation, be it belief in a god or any other ish cus morality is a foundation itself.. Morality is a human thing and believing a fairy tale is another issue all together. do not reconcile both. 1 Like |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 10:14pm On Apr 04, 2015 |
Johny, go easy on these. I have said nothing very different from the original post. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 10:15pm On Apr 04, 2015 |
Johny, go easy on these. I have said nothing very different from earlier posts. |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 12:18am On Apr 05, 2015 |
Over education is not enlightenment. It is the culmination of knowledge and understanding that leads to insight and wisdom.... That is enlightenment. I believe in God.. Just don't give a shit about his sorry are. Omnipotent my ar$e |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 2:01pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
@ voltron U make sense but I don't think what u say is connected to this topic. Did u read it at all? |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Nobody: 2:16pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
RexBrita: I no send the topic cos many like it abound waste of energy to even discuss |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by Weah96: 6:41pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
RexBrita: I think I get your point, but your delivery is wrong. The late Christopher Hitchens used to say that there are some atheists who really wish that something or someone can prove them wrong. Your comment applies to those guys. But there are many who don't even like the Abrahamic God in the first place, and would disobey it even if it was real. The God would be a bloodthirsty, dictatorial villain, and they would refuse to follow his demands, just like some North Koreans prefer death over servitude to their own dictator. I'm in a third class. I too hate the Abrahamic God, but I would be among those willing to tolerate the despotic regime if the fantasy were to come true. Remember that brave dude from the Chronicles of Riddick? The one who publicly refused to bow before the Lord Marshall in New Mecca? I'm not that brave, or heat resistant for that matter. 2 Likes |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 8:43pm On Apr 13, 2015 |
@Weah96 I understand u but I am not talking about the 1st set of atheists you describe. I refer to all atheists. U may want to read the original post. I acknowledge the differences between the pacifist theories preached by Christ which is in sharp contrast to some qualities attributed to the Old testament God. Christ resolved this difference as human progression. Hate, may be too strong a word but I, like many christians, will not accept to kill an innocent person in blind obedience the way Abraham accepted. So I think this is immaterial in support of atheism since most christians/theists hold that position too. Finally, yes humans should follow theism and atheism with reason. One day, in the non too distant future (maybe a million years or more; lol), it will be obvious that we pursue the same things. By then, all religions will be one because even science would have led us to acceptable conclusions. I'm not keen about the fantasies myself (I hope I got what u meant). |
Re: All atheists worship and rever God by RexBrita: 11:39am On Nov 28, 2015 |
Yes |
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