elampiro:


Assist in Man United
Herrera 4 Assist in 1239 minutes.
Cleverley 3 Assists in 3561 minutes.


Key pass
Herrera is 72.9mins/key pass in Man United
Cleverley 76.6 mins/key pass. using 2012/13 season

Now tell me who is the better passer. Iniester and Xavi don't just go about making passes for passing sake. Check their Assists and key passes when they were still in their prime. Iniester with 16 Assists in one season. Iniester 47min/key pass, Xavi 50min.key pass.

what u have above is chances created, not key pass. you can reconfirm the stat. It already taken care of your objections .


this is about all passes that led to shots off target , on targets and goals. considering united took more shots per minute, cleverly was abysmal.

coogar:


you are the one confusing yourself na.
i said if cleverley had a striker like messi in his team who takes about 33% of the total shots taken by the entire team and scores at least 1/3 of the shots taken then cleverley's key pass or assist stat would be higher.

you then went on to show stats that messi took 22 more shots than van persie that had 38/38 league game appearance. it means messi was more effective than van persie that season & he took more shots in less number of minutes than van persie. cleverley in their team would cop more assists/key passes.



no, you didn't tabulate the shots of messi/RVP per min. that was where you hid the lie. besides, why are we comparing cleverley to iniesta/xavi. i thought the comparison was with herrera abi na barca herrera dey play?

secondly - the player closest to cleverley's role in barca would be busquets. try compare like for like. my initial assertion was cleverley passes the ball better than herrera & their historical passing stats have proven me right.

anything beyond that is you grappling at straws.

is Messi in United today that Herrera is having more chances created even with our overall poor shots this season than 2012/13?



messi is not the only one attempting goal in barca also same for rvp for united. united had a better shot per minute than barca, so why did cleverly didn't have a better cc per minute than Xavi?

lastly Cleverly was our box tobox not any DM. Carrick was the dm

elampiro:

what u have above is chances created, not key pass. you can reconfirm the stat. It already taken care of your objections .

what has this gotta do with passing accuracy of cleverley & herrera? why are you jumping around?

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•elampiro - herrera is better than cleverley in everything.

•coogar - cleverley passes better than herrera

•elampiro - messi has 1000 shots, xavi has 600 assists, iniesta has 40,000 key passes, RVP had 1864377 shots

•coogar - cleverley's passing accuracy is 87% & herrera's passing accuracy is 80% - **the stat was backed up with evidence**

•elampiro - xavi has 0.0007 min per shot, iniesta has 9.6789 nano-seconds per assist & RVP has 578536 shots per second
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as you can see, you are jumping about without advancing your argument one jot. who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? answer that question and we can call it a day.

this is about all passes that led to shots off target , on targets and goals. considering united took more shots per minute, cleverly was abysmal.

who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? you said there's nothing cleverley does better than herrera. i countered that point with cleverley's passing accuracy - and since then you have been colouring the argument with irrelevant stats that had nothing to do with herrera.

comot for road, abeg.

coogar:


what has this gotta do with passing accuracy of cleverley & herrera? why are you jumping around?

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•elampiro - herrera is better than cleverley in everything.

•coogar - cleverley passes better than herrera

•elampiro - messi has 1000 shots, xavi has 600 assists, iniesta has 40,000 key passes, RVP had 1864377 shots

•coogar - cleverley's passing accuracy is 87% & herrera's passing accuracy is 80% - **the stat was backed up with evidence**

•elampiro - xavi has 0.0007 min per shot, iniesta has 9.6789 nano-seconds per assist & RVP has 578536 shots per second
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as you can see, you are jumping about without advancing your argument one jot. who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? answer that question and we can call it a day.





who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? you said there's nothing cleverley does better than herrera. i countered that point with cleverley's passing accuracy - and since then you have been colouring the argument with irrelevant stats that had nothing to do with herrera.

comot for road, abeg.

Herrera is the better passer because he gives more passes per minute that lead to an attempt at goal. Any body can have 100percent accuracy passing to defenders.

elampiro:

Herrera is the better passer because he gives more passes per minute that lead to an attempt at goal. Any body can have 100percent accuracy passing to defenders.

of course, 80% is better than 87%

Enough of this stats reeling.Cleverley can have 100% passes completion for all I care.He is an average player who has found his rightful place in a mediocre Aston Villa.Anyone who wud choose Cleverley over Herrera xcept wen herrera has a fever or broken Leg is not has not been watching Man United.Cleverley can av a lot of pass completion rate because he plays safe passes.The kind of passes I wud comically describe as "No be me spoil am oh" .Herrera is a skillful and risk taking passer such as witnessed in d pass to Mata at Anfield . cleverley wud never av attempted dt bt wud av looked for Phil Jones backwards.This is not even a debate for Christ's sake.Dnt knw y we arguing abt this

pace and power win this one..

i understand what coogar is trying to say.herrera is better than cleverly in assist and goals and maybe tackles won but cleverly have an edge when it comes to pass accuracy..


as for me i will take herrera over cleverly a thousand time

coogar abi person hack ur account?
na troll we go call this one or new coogar

elampiro first eleven vs coogar first eleven
ELAMPIRO
cesar
zabaleta
pawa jones
pepe
danny rose
sandro
paulinho
valencia
yaya
aguero
rooney

COOGAR
DE gae
rafael
smalling
hummels
butner
blind
cleverly
bebe
nani
mata
falcao

Odunharry:
elampiro first eleven vs coogar first eleven
ELAMPIRO
cesar
zabaleta
pawa jones
pepe
danny rose
sandro
paulinho
valencia
yaya
aguero
rooney

COOGAR
DE gae
rafael
smalling
hummels
butner
blind
cleverly
bebe
nani
mata
falcao

E be like say u forget Ikedia for the first team

suxxman:


E be like say u forget Ikedia for the first team

ikedia na sub for team elamps

Odunharry:

ikedia na sub for team elamps

LMAO.

Howdy?

coogar:


of course, 80% is better than 87%

Fabregas has 86 percent for Chelsea. Cleverley is a better passer according to Coogar.

coogar:





this is not my logic.
use a top league in your analogy, not a lower-tier league.

OK so Ciro immobile is a legend for being d highest goalscorer in Italy last season

coogar:


championship?
bebe scored those girls in the highest division in portugal. don't compare it with championship league. bebe's league produces teams for UCL, championship league does not!




herrera is a better player than cleverley.
someone said there's no single attribute cleverley does better than herrera & i had to defend cleverley on that. cleverley passes the ball better than herrera.....

this!!

Leyqute:

LMAO.

Howdy?

boss long time...i dey well..how your side

elampiro:

Fabregas has 86 percent for Chelsea. Cleverley is a better passer according to Coogar.

fabregas can't pass - he takes too many risks cos he forces moves that are not on. that's one of the reasons he didn't fit @ barcelona. he's the worst passer in the midfield that had xavi, iniesta, busquets. even del bosque never trusted him in the midfield, he often left him on the bench or played him as a false striker - where his inaccurate passes wouldn't hurt the team.

Kemizee:
Enough of this stats reeling.Cleverley can have 100% passes completion for all I care.He is an average player who has found his rightful place in a mediocre Aston Villa.Anyone who wud choose Cleverley over Herrera xcept wen herrera has a fever or broken Leg is not has not been watching Man United.Cleverley can av a lot of pass completion rate because he plays safe passes.The kind of passes I wud comically describe as "No be me spoil am oh" .Herrera is a skillful and risk taking passer such as witnessed in d pass to Mata at Anfield . cleverley wud never av attempted dt bt wud av looked for Phil Jones backwards. This is not even a debate for Christ's sake.Dnt knw y we arguing abt this

case closed!!

coogar:




case closed!!

Remember our pre season game against La galaxy?

dopeJemi:


Remember our pre season game against La galaxy?

remind me, what happened there?

coogar:


remind me, what happened there?

Newcomer Ander Herrera
pulled the strings as Wayne Rooney, Reece
James and Ashley Young each tallied braces
helping Manchester United cruise to a 7-0
victory over the LA Galaxy in front of 84,362
at the Rose Bowl Stadium.
Danny Welbeck opened the scoring before


This is the headline... I have never seen cleverly influence a game like this before since I started watching him play, like you said, case closed

coogar:


fabregas can't pass - he takes too many risks cos he forces moves that are not on. that's one of the reasons he didn't fit @ barcelona. he's the worst passer in the midfield that had xavi, iniesta, busquets. even del bosque never trusted him in the midfield, he often left him on the bench or played him as a false striker - where his inaccurate passes wouldn't hurt the team.

Fabregas can't pass but Cleverly can pass?

The rubbish you talk no dey surprise you sometimes?

Nihilist:

Fabregas can't pass but Cleverly can pass?
The rubbish you talk no dey surprise you sometimes?

cleverley passes the ball better than fabregas - their respective passing stats is not a top secret locked in a bank vault. use it and educate yourself.

dopeJemi:

Newcomer Ander Herrera
pulled the strings as Wayne Rooney, Reece
James and Ashley Young each tallied braces
helping Manchester United cruise to a 7-0
victory over the LA Galaxy in front of 84,362
at the Rose Bowl Stadium.
Danny Welbeck opened the scoring before
This is the headline... I have never seen cleverly influence a game like this before since I started watching him play, like you said, case closed

i really don't get how you people argue at times. at no point in this argument did i suggest cleverley is a better player than herrera. my point is cleverley passes the ball more accurately than herrera. whether herrera scores more, assists more, does more bicycle kicks or somersaults are irrelevant.

the question is - who passes the ball more accurately?

Falcao posted this.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153186668729197&set=vb.171352569196&type=2&theater

That's how that foolish cleverly was believing the hype of the stat readers and claiming that he plays la Liga style football

Coogar don watch all the gif wey dey this whole world finish.

elampiro:
Coogar don watch all the gif wey dey this whole world finish.

someone had to provide the evidence cos i hate the herd mentality of football fans when it comes to cleverley, busquets, mikel, etc.

Nihilist:
That's how that foolish cleverly was believing the hype of the stat readers and claiming that he plays la Liga style football

you really need to understand what passing accuracy is - it's not about who makes the most assists or key passes. it's about who passes the ball more accurately. when the pass leads to goals or it leads to a shot taken is irrelevant - there are different statistics for those.

heaven didn't fall when leon britton of swansea was deemed the best passer in europe some seasons ago. he had more passing accuracy than xavi, busquets & arteta. no one said he gets the most assists or the most key passes.....english comprehension is a problem on this section of the forum.

coogar:


fabregas can't pass - he takes too many risks cos he forces moves that are not on. that's one of the reasons he didn't fit @ barcelona. he's the worst passer in the midfield that had xavi, iniesta, busquets. even del bosque never trusted him in the midfield, he often left him on the bench or played him as a false striker - where his inaccurate passes wouldn't hurt the team.

This means Cleverley will fit into Barca?

coogar:


someone had to provide the evidence cos i hate the herd mentality of football fans when it comes to cleverley, busquets, mikel, etc.



you really need to understand what passing accuracy is - it's not about who makes the most assists or key passes. it's about who passes the ball more accurately. when the pass leads to goals or it leads to a shot taken is irrelevant - there are different statistics for those.

heaven didn't fall when leon britton of swansea was deemed the best passer in europe some seasons ago. he had more passing accuracy than xavi, busquets & arteta. no one said he gets the most assists or the most key passes.....english comprehension is a problem on this section of the forum.

Best pass accuracy stat does not translate to best Passer.

Mikel Obi has pass completion rate of 90.5%

Only a fool will say that he is a better passer than Fabregas.

You can't call a player a good passer because he completes 90% of his 5 yard sideways passes

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Borussia Dortmund’s sporting director, Michael Zorc, has today confirmed to Kicker that he has received no bids for Hummels from anyone. Instead, Zorc talked up the possibility of Hummels staying at the club for a long time to come.
Zorc told Kicker: "There is no bids, we plan to continue with him. We will carry on a dialogue with Mats in terms of our relationship."
Mats Hummels is now weighing up his options: BVB have offered him a new contract with a pay rise. Now the choice is to extend or say goodbye.
Kicker claim that Hummels decision could hinge on the German Cup quarter final game tonight against Hoffenheim. Success in the Cup and qualification for Europe could be a factor.
[Source: Kicker.de]

Franck Ribery says his relationship with Louis van Gaal was 'poisoned' at Bayern Munich and claims the current Manchester United coach is a 'bad man' who loses players' trust.
Van Gaal took charge of the Bavarians in 2009 but only lasted two years, with Ribery admitting he considered a move while the Dutchman was at the club.
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[Source: goal.com]


lol

Nihilist:

Best pass accuracy stat does not translate to best Passer.

so what does it translate to? worst passer.

Mikel Obi has pass completion rate of 90.5%
Only a fool will say that he is a better passer than Fabregas.

he passes the ball better than fabregas.
if you don't understand english, buy brighter grammar and start again. the only reason cesc was chased out of barca is because of his poor passes. he takes far too many risks to force an attack that isn't really there. mikel obi would have survived in barca!

You can't call a player a good passer because he completes 90% of his 5 yard sideways passes

it doesn't matter if it's 1 yard or 3 million yards. pass completion stats count every pass made. don't force your illogical opinion on people cos you don't understand the meaning of passing accuracy.