Wilfried Zaha has recently came out and stated he felt “worthless” at Manchester United. Zaha made just four appearances in all competitions for United.
He rejoined Palace on a season-long deal last summer before making the move permanent in January. And Zaha has now revealed the moment he knew his time was up.
“There is nothing worse than not being involved. You are sitting there thinking ‘what exactly am I? A footballer who is not playing football?’ You feel a bit worthless sitting in the stands, watching all the time. You have nothing to speak about with the players.
“If you have played the game then it’s ‘well done’ or ‘you should have passed here or there’. But when you haven’t played, I think people lose a bit of respect for you. I think they are thinking ‘well, he’s not played’. They don’t have anything to speak to you about. It’s a big thing.
“And I’m frustrated when I am not playing. My family is frustrated. My friends are frustrated.
“It was difficult when it came to a game at United and they were asking me for tickets and asking ‘are you playing?’ and that used to cut deep because I would think: ‘I can’t just invite my family’ because I had that doubt in my head as to whether I was even going to be in the squad.
“They would come to United and I would be in the stands. Now I am just able to say ‘here’s tickets. I am starting the game’. I am happy again.
“The last straw - when I thought ‘I need to go’ was when United played in the Capital One Cup against MK Dons. I went down there and didn’t play at all. There were reserves who came on and I thought 'I can’t just sit here and not be given a chance’.
“I spoke to Van Gaal and he said that right now I wasn’t good enough to get into the first team and I put my hands up and thought ‘no problem, I will go on loan’.
"I’d rather he told me. Before that it was just rumours and here was a straight answer. I appreciated that and so I came back to Palace.”
[Source: Guardian]




Good you are gone. We couldn't afford all that selection headache.

coogar:


so what does it translate to? worst passer.



he passes the ball better than fabregas.
if you don't understand english, buy brighter grammar and start again. the only reason cesc was chased out of barca is because of his poor passes. he takes far too many risks to force an attack that isn't really there. mikel obi would have survived in barca!



it doesn't matter if it's 1 yard or 3 million yards. pass completion stats count every pass made. don't force your illogical opinion on people cos you don't understand the meaning of passing accuracy.

You are the one that needs brighter grammar.

Martin Skrtel has 90.5% pass accuracy in the league this season....He is a better passer than David Silva

John Terry has 89.6% pass accuracy in the league this season...He is a better passer than Fabregas

Afrodoc please give this guy two shots of Jegaquin stat!

coogar:


cleverley passes the ball better than fabregas - their respective passing stats is not a top secret locked in a bank vault. use it and educate yourself.



i really don't get how you people argue at times. at no point in this argument did i suggest cleverley is a better player than herrera. my point is cleverley passes the ball more accurately than herrera. whether herrera scores more, assists more, does more bicycle kicks or somersaults are irrelevant.

the question is - who passes the ball more accurately?

He's supposed to have more accurate passes cause all he does is pass the ball sideways and backwards, anybody can do that, that doesn't make him a better passer of the ball than herrera, like someone rightly said, cleverly's passes are the "no be my hand e go take spoil" kind of passes, but when you try to compare that to the kinda passes herrera and fabregas make, that's just absurd

Cleverly might pass the ball more accurately, but how many leads to goals? His accurate passes are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned

Nihilist:

You are the one that needs brighter grammar.

Martin Skrtel has 90.5% pass accuracy in the league this season....He is a better passer than David Silva

yes he is!
he passes the ball more accurately than david silva.

John Terry has 89.6% pass accuracy in the league this season...He is a better passer than Fabregas

yes, he is.
terry passes the ball better than cesc. it's called passing accuracy, not key passes or through balls. passing accuracy = the ratio of the completed passes to attempted passes.

Afrodoc please give this guy two shots of Jegaquin stat!

you are not smarter than a 10-year old.

dopeJemi:

He's supposed to have more accurate passes cause all he does is pass the ball sideways and backwards, anybody can do that, that doesn't make him a better passer of the ball than herrera, like someone rightly said, cleverly's passes are the "no be my hand e go take spoil" kind of passes, but when you try to compare that to the kinda passes herrera and fabregas make, that's just absurd

Cleverly might pass the ball more accurately, but how many leads to goals?

don't confuse yourself.

passing the ball accurately = passing accuracy
passing leading to goal = assists
passing leading to a shot = key pass

cleverley is better than herrera in the first criterion but herrera is better in the bottom 2. why a player must have better passing accuracy is irrelevant. whether it goes sideways or backwards or skywards is also irrelevant.

Hey Scummies, i found a buyer for Falcao.......

Notts County Football Club are interested in bringing the 4 goals in 20 odd games striker to their club next season

Please permit me to intimate Mr Falcao of the interest.......

Lol.
I'm not even sure we're having this argument, but I'll chip something in nonetheless.

I read one of the pages that herrera had more key passes per min ratio because he played higher up the pitch(before the stats was thrown into the gutter)

Surely it also follows that cleverley posts consistently higher passing accuracy stats because he plays down the pitch.
If he were asked to play in a more advanced position, it'll be a different story entirely.

Herrera is receiving so much praises back home in Spain.

There are footballers who need a wide space before they can ask for the ball while there are others who are always asking for the ball.

coogar:



don't confuse yourself.

passing the ball accurately = passing accuracy
passing leading to goal = assists
passing leading to a shot = key pass

I know, that was why I agreed to your assertion that he passes the ball more accurately based on his number of backwards and sideways passes, but you need to understand that anybody can do it, de gea go get 100percent pass accuracy if he want... If herrera decides today that he wants to start passing the ball like cleverly, he will do it with ease, no be just to dey pass backwards and sideways? It's that easy...

It's just like comparing a student that solves only 1+1 to a student that does calculus, will you now say the student that does 1+1 is more knowledgeable in that field than the one that does calculus? in order for you to know calculus you must have passed through the 1+1 stage and mastered it

coogar:



cleverley is better than herrera in the first criterion but herrera is better in the bottom 2. why a player must have better passing accuracy is irrelevant. whether it goes sideways or backwards or skywards is also irrelevant.

I don't know if you understand the math logic I just used

ElFenomeno1:
Hey Scummies, i found a buyer for Falcao.......

Notts County Football Club are interested in bringing the 4 goals in 20 odd games striker to their club next season

Please permit me to intimate Mr Falcao of the interest.......

Is it true that sterling is better than misses ozil?

dopeJemi:


I know, that was why I agreed to your assertion that he passes the ball more accurately based on his number of backwards and sideways passes, but you need to understand that anybody can do it, de gea go get 100percent pass accuracy if he want... If herrera decides today that he wants to start passing the ball like cleverly, he will do it with ease, no be just to dey pass backwards and sideways? It's that easy...

It's just like comparing a student that solves only 1+1 to a student that does calculus, will you now say the student that does 1+1 is more knowledgeable in that field than the one that does calculus? in order for you to know calculus you must have passed through the 1+1 stage and mastered it



I don't know if you understand the math logic I just used

dopeJemi:


I know, that was why I agreed to your assertion that he passes the ball more accurately based on his number of backwards and sideways passes, but you need to understand that anybody can do it, de gea go get 100percent pass accuracy if he want... If herrera decides today that he wants to start passing the ball like cleverly, he will do it with ease, no be just to dey pass backwards and sideways? It's that easy...

passing accurately is not easy. if i pull out cleverley's forward passes out from OPTA, you would be shocked. it's just too cliche to say deep-lying midfielders with high passing stats must have gotten it from sideways & backward passes.

It's just like comparing a student that solves only 1+1 to a student that does calculus, will you now say the student that does 1+1 is more knowledgeable in that field than the one that does calculus? in order for you to know calculus you must have passed through the 1+1 stage and mastered it

but the problem with this analogy is, fabregas fails at simple tasks like 1+1.

I don't know if you understand the math logic I just used

i understand perfectly but there's no reason to think cleverley cannot do calculus. he was never tested with calculus. SAF just told him to stick to the basics - doing 1 + 1.

I agree with Coogar.

The pupil who solves 1+1 knows arithmetic better.

The student who solves calculus knows mathematics better.






dopeJemi whay can't you recognize the difference between the two?


















Ukwu!!!

coogar:

but the problem with this analogy is, fabregas fails at simple tasks like 1+1.

Nihilist coming for you.

elampiro:
I agree with Coogar.

The pupil who solves 1+1 knows arithmetic better.

The student who solves calculus knows mathematics better.

dopeJemi whay can't you recognize the difference between the two?

Ukwu!!!

they said cleverley couldn't have made herrera's pass to mata, i provided evidence of a more difficult pass by tom cleverley via gif.

they said herrera passes more accurately, stats proved cleverley is actually better at it. you and your cohorts are running out of excuses.

elampiro:


Nihilist coming for you.

nihilist - he's lunch for me.

this is my ready-made reply for him.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/10/12/why-cesc-fabregas-never-lived-up-to-his-potential-at-barcelona/

Arsenal’s style of football is said to be the closest to that of Barcelona. Both teams always like to keep possession. However, Arsenal are much more direct than Barcelona.

Fabregas always tried playing through-balls behind opposition defenses at Arsenal, and this continued trend did him no favors at Barcelona.

At Barcelona, the players pass the ball until they find a true opening in the opposition defense to exploit, and then the ball is played in to that player.

Fabregas, in his time at Barcelona, was often accused of giving away possession all too often. He tried playing the ball in behind too many times, often resulting in the opposition gaining possession of the ball. This continued trend has shown at Chelsea.

Against Manchester City at the Etihad, in the second half, Fabregas tried playing Costa in behind Mangala and Kompany. Every time he did, Manchester City regained possession of the ball and gained the chance to counter-attack Chelsea.

coogar:


passing accurately is not easy. if i pull out cleverley's forward passes out from OPTA, you would be shocked. it's just too cliche to say deep-lying midfielders with high passing stats must have gotten it from sideways & backward passes.

C'mon it's easy jhoor, if not mikel, skrtel etc will not be having high passing accuracy, wetin them dey pass

coogar:


but the problem with this analogy is, fabregas fails at simple tasks like 1+1.

Proof?

Even if, fab is not the kinda player that goes for the backwards and sideways passes often, he's more interested in creating chances, making assists and that's more important than what cleverly does

coogar:


i understand perfectly but there's no reason to think cleverley cannot do calculus. he was never tested with calculus. SAF just told him to stick to the basics - doing 1 + 1.

Make I naked baff if cleverly fit do calculus

coogar:


they said cleverley couldn't have made herrera's pass to mata, i provided evidence of a more difficult pass by tom cleverley via gif.

they said herrera passes more accurately, stats proved cleverley is actually better at it. you and your cohorts are running out of excuses.

Okay, we have heard you. You can go and negotiate Cleverley's Barca transfer. Summer is at hand.

elampiro:
I agree with Coogar.

The pupil who solves 1+1 knows arithmetic better.

The student who solves calculus knows mathematics better.





dopeJemi whay can't you recognize the difference between the two?







Ukwu!!!

Buahahahahahahahahahahaha

Are you trying to say cleverly is a .............

dopeJemi:


Is it true that sterling is better than misses ozil?

If you are a soccer fan and you listen to Michael Owen's punditry or football analysis, you deserve to be tied to a stake in a central market and pelted with rotten tomatoes!

elampiro:

Okay, we have heard you. You can go and negotiate Cleverley's Barca transfer. Summer is at hand.

not every player would play for barca.

dopeJemi:

C'mon it's easy jhoor, if not mikel, skrtel etc will not be having high passing accuracy, wetin them dey pass

it's not easy.

Proof?

check the cesc link i posted above. the ethos of the team differs. in a club like barcelona, fabregas would suffer abuses cos all those through passes & hollywood passes aren't in their DNA. barca makes risk-free passes. until there's an opening, they don't risk it.

Even if, fab is not the kinda player that goes for the backwards and sideways passes often, he's more interested in creating chances, making assists and that's more important than what cleverly does

so why was cesc dumped by barca then? he couldn't displace busquets in the national team or at barca? is busquets more creative than fab? why is busquets preferred?

Make I naked baff if cleverly fit do calculus

the gif i provided wasn't only calculus. it was laplace transforms - advanced calculus.

ElFenomeno1:


If you are a soccer fan and you listen to Michael Owen's punditry or football analysis, you deserve to be tied to a stake in a central market and pelted with rotten tomatoes!

Na simple question I ask na

Can you tell me why owen thinks sterling is better than ozil and who do you think is better?

dopeJemi:

Na simple question I ask na
Can you tell me why owen thinks sterling is better than ozil and who do you think is better?

Why should i answer a da..ft, dum..b and dimwitted question?

Elf doesn't get involved in sh...it like that

Sorry pal

coogar:



it's not easy.

It is

coogar:



check the cesc link i posted above. the ethos of the team differs. in a club like barcelona, fabregas would suffer abuses cos all those through passes & hollywood passes aren't in their DNA. barca makes risk-free passes. until there's an opening, they don't risk it.

Risk-free is because of their good positioning, abi you wan tell me say na the "make e no spoil for my hand" pass them dey pass?

coogar:


so why was cesc dumped by barca then? he couldn't displace busquets in the national team or at barca? is busquets more creative than fab? why is busquets preferred?

There are other reasons

coogar:



the gif i provided wasn't only calculus. it was laplace transforms - advanced calculus.

You dey mad

ElFenomeno1:


Why should i answer a da..ft, dum..b and dimwitted question?

Elf doesn't get involved in sh...it like that

Sorry pal

That means sterling is better

Wonders shall never ceased on this thread. Why surprised that it is the most entertaining and ever vibrant thread in the sport section.

There are only three people on this thread... Coogar, Elamp and Others

coogar:
herrera's career passing accuracy - 80%

cleverley's career passing accuracy - 87.5%

elampawa, you really shot yourself in the foot on this one. cleverley passes the ball so much better than herrera. herrera has never clocked 90% in his career - cleverley had several 90% passing stats - it's his second nature.

Cleverly is just a safe passer of the ball and not an adventurous one like Herrera.He is bound to have more more completion rate just like Mikel.

folba:
Cleverly is just a safe passer of the ball and not an adventurous one like Herrera.He is bound to have more more completion rate just like Mikel.

thank you!
so you agree he has a better passing accuracy than herrera?

coogar:


thank you!
so you agree he has a better passing accuracy than herrera?

That's glaring to see now, but I will still choose handicapped Herrera over a fit Cleverly

I'll be surprise if mikel passing accuracy isn't higher than herrera's

SIRcumalot:
I'll be surprise if mikel passing accuracy isn't higher than herrera's

it is
mikel obi keeps the ball like a mother treats her newborn. this is why he's one of the longest serving players at chelsea. he keeps to his manager's instructions.

dopeJemi:


That means sterling is better

Will you go out there and tell the world Sterling is better than Ozil?

Be truthful

ElFenomeno1:


Will you go out there and tell the world Sterling is better than Ozil?

Be truthful

No