Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by iconize(m): 8:34am On Apr 11, 2015 |
ehie: [s]you are denying nzegwu when irons I and ojukwu saw him as one of their own.he died fighting for biography but he is deltan now...smfdh. .. i guess i can't fathom how you think because i am always ready to do the time if i do the crime[/s] You're a drunken mooron! You're too dumb to be living. Anyways, yo' brain scan is out! 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by somegirl1: 8:35am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Ymodulus: I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading. Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.
I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.
One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.
I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,
1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?
You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.
Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.
Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.
Funny. So people should be penalized for tendencies rather actions? Funny indeed that a relatively small population are thought to be able dominate wherever they go. Statements like yours make other groups appear weak in comparison.
How do begin you justify the murder (for that is what it was) of innocent civilians as retribution for assasinations within and by the military?
Why were Ojukwu and other guilty Igbo officers not the targets?
Would you like your family wiped out because of the actions of few of your tribesmen, unrelated to you by blood?
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Azo(m): 8:35am On Apr 11, 2015 |
ControlX: A few days ago, the Oba of Lagos threatened Igbo leaders. If they did not vote for his governorship candidate in Lagos, he said, they would be thrown into the lagoon. His entire speech was a flagrant performance of disregard. His words said, in effect: I think so little of you that I don’t have to cajole you but will just threaten you and, by the way, your safety in Lagos is not assured, it is negotiable. There have been condemnations of the Oba’s words. Sadly, many of the condemnations from non-Igbo people have come with the ugly impatience of expressions like ‘move on,’ and ‘don’t be over-emotional’ and ‘calm down.’ These take away the power, even the sincerity, of the condemnations. It is highhanded and offensive to tell an aggrieved person how to feel, or how quickly to forgive, just as an apology becomes a non-apology when it comes with ‘now get over it.’ Other condemnations of the Oba’s words have been couched in dismissive or diminishing language such as ‘The Oba can’t really do anything, he isn’t actually going to kill anyone. He was joking. He was just being a loudmouth.’
Or – the basest yet – ‘we are all prejudiced.’ It is dishonest to respond to a specific act of prejudice by ignoring that act and instead stressing the generic and the general. It is similar to responding to a specific crime by saying ‘we are all capable of crime.’ Indeed we are. But responses such as these are diversionary tactics. They dismiss the specific act, diminish its importance, and ultimately aim at silencing the legitimate fears of people.
We are indeed all prejudiced, but that is not an appropriate response to an issue this serious. The Oba is not an ordinary citizen. He is a traditional ruler in a part of a country where traditional rulers command considerable influence – the reluctance on the part of many to directly chastise the Oba speaks to his power. The Oba’s words matter. He is not a singular voice; he represents traditional authority. The Oba’s words matter because they are enough to incite violence in a political setting already fraught with uncertainty. The Oba’s words matter even more in the event that Ambode loses the governorship election, because it would then be easy to scapegoat Igbo people and hold them punishable.
Nigerians who consider themselves enlightened might dismiss the Oba’s words as illogical. But the scapegoating of groups – which has a long history all over the world – has never been about logic. The Oba’s words matter because they bring worrying echoes of the early 1960s in Nigeria, when Igbo people were scapegoated for political reasons. Chinua Achebe, when he finally accepted that Lagos, the city he called home, was unsafe for him because he was Igbo, saw crowds at the motor park taunting Igbo people as they boarded buses: ‘Go, Igbo, go so that garri will be cheaper in Lagos!’ Of course Igbo people were not responsible for the cost of garri. But they were perceived as people who were responsible for a coup and who were ‘taking over’ and who, consequently, could be held responsible for everything bad.
Any group of people would understandably be troubled by a threat such as the Oba’s, but the Igbo, because of their history in Nigeria, have been particularly troubled. And it is a recent history. There are people alive today who were publicly attacked in cosmopolitan Lagos in the 1960s because they were Igbo. Even people who were merely light-skinned were at risk of violence in Lagos markets, because to be light-skinned was to be mistaken for Igbo.
Almost every Nigerian ethnic group has a grouse of some sort with the Nigerian state. The Nigerian state has, by turns, been violent, unfair, neglectful, of different parts of the country. Almost every ethnic group has derogatory stereotypes attached to it by other ethnic groups.
But it is disingenuous to suggest that the experience of every ethnic group has been the same. Anti-Igbo violence began under the British colonial government, with complex roots and manifestations. But the end result is a certain psychic difference in the relationship of Igbo people to the Nigerian state. To be Igbo in Nigeria is constantly to be suspect; your national patriotism is never taken as the norm, you are continually expected to prove it.
All groups are conditioned by their specific histories. Perhaps another ethnic group would have reacted with less concern to the Oba’s threat, because that ethnic group would not be conditioned by a history of being targets of violence, as the Igbo have been.
Many responses to the Oba’s threat have mentioned the ‘welcoming’ nature of Lagos, and have made comparisons between Lagos and southeastern towns like Onitsha. It is valid to debate the ethnic diversity of different parts of Nigeria, to compare, for example, Ibadan and Enugu, Ado-Ekiti and Aba, and to debate who moves where, and who feels comfortable living where and why that is. But it is odd to pretend that Lagos is like any other city in Nigeria. It is not. The political history of Lagos and its development as the first national capital set it apart. Lagos is Nigeria’s metropolis. There are ethnic Igbo people whose entire lives have been spent in Lagos, who have little or no ties to the southeast, who speak Yoruba better than Igbo. Should they, too, be reminded to be ‘grateful’ each time an election draws near?
No law-abiding Nigerian should be expected to show gratitude for living peacefully in any part of Nigeria. Landlords in Lagos should not, as still happens too often, be able to refuse to rent their property to Igbo people.
The Oba’s words were disturbing, but its context is even more disturbing:
The anti-Igbo rhetoric that has been part of the political discourse since the presidential election results. Accusatory and derogatory language – using words like ‘brainwashed,’ ‘tribalistic voting’ – has been used to describe President Jonathan’s overwhelming win in the southeast. All democracies have regions that vote in large numbers for one side, and even though parts of Northern Nigeria showed voting patterns similar to the Southeast, the opprobrium has been reserved for the Southeast.
But the rhetoric is about more than mere voting. It is really about citizenship. To be so entitled as to question the legitimacy of a people’s choice in a democratic election is not only a sign of disrespect but is also a questioning of the full citizenship of those people.
What does it mean to be a Nigerian citizen? When Igbo people are urged to be ‘grateful’ for being in Lagos, do they somehow have less of a right as citizens to live where they live? Every Nigerian should be able to live in any part of Nigeria. The only expectation for a Nigerian citizen living in any part of Nigeria is to be law-abiding. Not to be ‘grateful.’ Not to be expected to pay back some sort of unspoken favour by toeing a particular political line. Nigerian citizens can vote for whomever they choose, and should never be expected to justify or apologize for their choice. Only by feeling a collective sense of ownership of Nigeria can we start to forge a nation. A nation is an idea. Nigeria is still in progress. To make this a nation, we must collectively agree on what citizenship means: all Nigerians must matter equally.
Source: www.olisa.tv/2015/04/10/chimamanda-adichieoba-lagos/
It is disturbing how this issue is been prolonged. Without a stint of doubt, the Oba was wrong but I would not accept this as though Igbos are right. Till date, which yoruba or hausa man in the SE or SS can contest in a political position? None. But they leave in Lagos expecting to receive what they cant offer in goodwill. However, Igbos believe they have as much right in Lagos as Lagosians. Reason why they threaten heaven and earth more often than not that Nigeria should split of it would that they belong to biafra. The igbo tribe has been at the top of the game in dividing this country along ethnic and somewhat religious lines. Needless to say, on the election in the SE and SS some results are currently rejected due to rigging that occurred. This pattern of voting cannot be compared with the North where PDP still amassed more than 100,000 votes even where the lost woefully compared to the 10,000 votes to a million in the SE. I will say here that all your points are irrelevant and unfounded. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by chaloner(m): 8:35am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Scatterboss: I still dont know what you people want. Everyone have condemned the king and some have even apologize and clarify the issue, do you want the head of the king?
You insult him and his throne by calling his father's land a no mans land. Is that fair? If there is any problem in Lagos, you all will troop back to your villages but we indigenes have nowhere to go, stop insulting our forefathers by calling our home no mans land. Respect is reciprocal. ok we re sorry but me and you knw dat lagos is no mans land na , haba , na bigotry dey shape uur mind lik dis ooo, even yoruba agberos dey cal am no mans land , na tribalism dey disturb u oooo 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by OdenigboAroli2: 8:35am On Apr 11, 2015 |
illiad:
FYI your info we distaste you twice as much as you do us. As for the reasons your distaste? We are simply destined for greatness which is why after all we went through during the war Ndigbo have the highest GDP per person in this country while the hausas are the poorest even though they have ruled the country for nearly fifty years. And as for the Yorubas they simply can't stomach the ingenuity of the igbo man and the is what is responsible for their bitter bile.
Meanwhile who God bless no man can curse! that is why we dont need their fvcking presidency or senate presidency rubbish, we are cool and coasting on our own. Let them rule and suffer and turn back and blame the igbos for enjoying in naija 7 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Sanchez01: 8:36am On Apr 11, 2015 |
musing: Mstchewwwww
Let me answer your question to how a Nigerian Igbo guy feels reading half of a yellow sun:
Like he needs to work god damn hard, shikena.
All this wailing of yours is disgusting to read
Please don't get me wrong. When things happen and I don't feel it directly, I try to imagine myself in the "feeler's" shoes. I bear no ill will against anyone just that bigotry sickens me. I still believe the movie was never needed still. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by OLUJAY4REAL: 8:36am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Ymodulus: I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading. Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.
I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.
One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.
I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,
1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?
You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.
Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.
Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.
My friend, that lady called Chimamanda has made valid points in her submissions. I can't see serious argument in what you've just posted. I'm a complete yoruba person but detribalised. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Dexema(m): 8:37am On Apr 11, 2015 |
[quote author=Waspy post=32578918][b] Important Socratic questions Chiamanda and her folks forgot to answer are;
Have Yorubas not bn good hosts in all forms of being good and being an host?
Is it too much for Yorubas to say that Lagos is a Yorubaland?
He who comes to equity must come with clean hands.... Have the Igbo, all along and "all these while" bn innocent victims?
Are Igbos not just being mischievous since there are other tribes( whose lands are even closer to Lagos than the far East) in Lagos who have never cried like babies and whined like bigots?
Is there a way forward and who shld pave way for who?
Are other sojourners laying claims to the "no-man's land as passionately as the Igbos?
I think these and many more questions shld have bn answered by Ms. Adichie and her goons before she concoted her sentimental piece...if truly she did.
It won't be fair, if for the sakes of peace and unity of Nigeria, we continue to, for no sane reasons, undermine, insubordinate, take for granted and make to nothing the culture, tradition,ideology and good will of the numerous pples that make this great country[/b] You are just too much,let adichie be forming international writer hiding under the umbrella of ethnic respect and equality while being biased and not asking the right questions first.
I think therz need for some level of self evaluation from igbos nationwide on their practices,attitudes,reactions and their level of diplomacy. Charity they say begins at home. Good points also raised by Youngmodulus |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Mbediogu(m): 8:37am On Apr 11, 2015 |
ControlX: A few days ago, the Oba of Lagos threatened Igbo leaders. If they did not vote for his governorship candidate in Lagos, he said, they would be thrown into the lagoon. His entire speech was a flagrant performance of disregard. His words said, in effect: I think so little of you that I don’t have to cajole you but will just threaten you and, by the way, your safety in Lagos is not assured, it is negotiable. There have been condemnations of the Oba’s words. Sadly, many of the condemnations from non-Igbo people have come with the ugly impatience of expressions like ‘move on,’ and ‘don’t be over-emotional’ and ‘calm down.’ These take away the power, even the sincerity, of the condemnations. It is highhanded and offensive to tell an aggrieved person how to feel, or how quickly to forgive, just as an apology becomes a non-apology when it comes with ‘now get over it.’ Other condemnations of the Oba’s words have been couched in dismissive or diminishing language such as ‘The Oba can’t really do anything, he isn’t actually going to kill anyone. He was joking. He was just being a loudmouth.’
Or – the basest yet – ‘we are all prejudiced.’ It is dishonest to respond to a specific act of prejudice by ignoring that act and instead stressing the generic and the general. It is similar to responding to a specific crime by saying ‘we are all capable of crime.’ Indeed we are. But responses such as these are diversionary tactics. They dismiss the specific act, diminish its importance, and ultimately aim at silencing the legitimate fears of people.
We are indeed all prejudiced, but that is not an appropriate response to an issue this serious. The Oba is not an ordinary citizen. He is a traditional ruler in a part of a country where traditional rulers command considerable influence – the reluctance on the part of many to directly chastise the Oba speaks to his power. The Oba’s words matter. He is not a singular voice; he represents traditional authority. The Oba’s words matter because they are enough to incite violence in a political setting already fraught with uncertainty. The Oba’s words matter even more in the event that Ambode loses the governorship election, because it would then be easy to scapegoat Igbo people and hold them punishable.
Nigerians who consider themselves enlightened might dismiss the Oba’s words as illogical. But the scapegoating of groups – which has a long history all over the world – has never been about logic. The Oba’s words matter because they bring worrying echoes of the early 1960s in Nigeria, when Igbo people were scapegoated for political reasons. Chinua Achebe, when he finally accepted that Lagos, the city he called home, was unsafe for him because he was Igbo, saw crowds at the motor park taunting Igbo people as they boarded buses: ‘Go, Igbo, go so that garri will be cheaper in Lagos!’ Of course Igbo people were not responsible for the cost of garri. But they were perceived as people who were responsible for a coup and who were ‘taking over’ and who, consequently, could be held responsible for everything bad.
Any group of people would understandably be troubled by a threat such as the Oba’s, but the Igbo, because of their history in Nigeria, have been particularly troubled. And it is a recent history. There are people alive today who were publicly attacked in cosmopolitan Lagos in the 1960s because they were Igbo. Even people who were merely light-skinned were at risk of violence in Lagos markets, because to be light-skinned was to be mistaken for Igbo.
Almost every Nigerian ethnic group has a grouse of some sort with the Nigerian state. The Nigerian state has, by turns, been violent, unfair, neglectful, of different parts of the country. Almost every ethnic group has derogatory stereotypes attached to it by other ethnic groups.
But it is disingenuous to suggest that the experience of every ethnic group has been the same. Anti-Igbo violence began under the British colonial government, with complex roots and manifestations. But the end result is a certain psychic difference in the relationship of Igbo people to the Nigerian state. To be Igbo in Nigeria is constantly to be suspect; your national patriotism is never taken as the norm, you are continually expected to prove it.
All groups are conditioned by their specific histories. Perhaps another ethnic group would have reacted with less concern to the Oba’s threat, because that ethnic group would not be conditioned by a history of being targets of violence, as the Igbo have been.
Many responses to the Oba’s threat have mentioned the ‘welcoming’ nature of Lagos, and have made comparisons between Lagos and southeastern towns like Onitsha. It is valid to debate the ethnic diversity of different parts of Nigeria, to compare, for example, Ibadan and Enugu, Ado-Ekiti and Aba, and to debate who moves where, and who feels comfortable living where and why that is. But it is odd to pretend that Lagos is like any other city in Nigeria. It is not. The political history of Lagos and its development as the first national capital set it apart. Lagos is Nigeria’s metropolis. There are ethnic Igbo people whose entire lives have been spent in Lagos, who have little or no ties to the southeast, who speak Yoruba better than Igbo. Should they, too, be reminded to be ‘grateful’ each time an election draws near?
No law-abiding Nigerian should be expected to show gratitude for living peacefully in any part of Nigeria. Landlords in Lagos should not, as still happens too often, be able to refuse to rent their property to Igbo people.
The Oba’s words were disturbing, but its context is even more disturbing:
The anti-Igbo rhetoric that has been part of the political discourse since the presidential election results. Accusatory and derogatory language – using words like ‘brainwashed,’ ‘tribalistic voting’ – has been used to describe President Jonathan’s overwhelming win in the southeast. All democracies have regions that vote in large numbers for one side, and even though parts of Northern Nigeria showed voting patterns similar to the Southeast, the opprobrium has been reserved for the Southeast.
But the rhetoric is about more than mere voting. It is really about citizenship. To be so entitled as to question the legitimacy of a people’s choice in a democratic election is not only a sign of disrespect but is also a questioning of the full citizenship of those people.
What does it mean to be a Nigerian citizen? When Igbo people are urged to be ‘grateful’ for being in Lagos, do they somehow have less of a right as citizens to live where they live? Every Nigerian should be able to live in any part of Nigeria. The only expectation for a Nigerian citizen living in any part of Nigeria is to be law-abiding.
One thousand likes! God bless u. But I regret to tell u that u just wasted ur valuable ink and time. The British created the simmering hatred between Nigerians for their own gains. They are also the ones sustaining it. The British High Commissioner in Lagos may be privy to this saga.
loo
Source: www.olisa.tv/2015/04/10/chimamanda-adichieoba-lagos/
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by greenalwaz: 8:38am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Ymodulus: I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading. Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.
I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.
One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.
I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,
1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?
You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.
Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.
Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.
Gud response u've got here though.. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by incrediblestev: 8:38am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Yesterday I was in the car with colleagues and we were busy discussing the dynamics of Lagos politics and today's elections then unavoidably the issue of the Oba's threat came up. Of course typical to we Nigerians, we all argued based on our tribes and tribal biases-at least, we are all guilty of that.
But one of my female colleagues stunned me with comments that I felt were careless expressions inherent hate for the Igbos. I was a bit annoyed because unlike the others, she clearly does not understand the subject of politics. I have noticed in the past that she has no regards for facts, neither does she follow Nigerian politics.
In her very immature way of talking carelessly and making very tribalistic comments with reckless abandon, she said I was rooting for Jonathan because I was Igbo; that really got me upset especially comming from a young woman who spends most of her time in the office on social blogs chatting and face booking. I replied her back and told her that I would follow her logic and conclude that she is rooting for Buhari because of his Yoruba vice.
After that careless statement and attempt to always turn political discussions into an Igbo vs Yoruba argument, I started avoiding any discussion of politics around her. Yesterday's unfortunate episode in the car on our way to work at a site was a crescendo for me. In her typical manner she started by asking between Lagos Igbos and Yorubas who own Lagos knowing how she throws hearsay around in her bid to bring tribalism in every discussion I ignored her and continued what I was discussing with others that were informed. Next she said Jimi Agbaje promised Eze ndi Igbo that if Igbos voted for him en mass, he would raise their royal status to that of the Oba's that was why the Oba threatened igbos.
She followed her unfounded and careless statements with all sorts of hearsay in her usual attempts, that Igbos don't allow Yoruba teachers to be principals in their schools in the east and all sorts of nonsense, this a young woman who has never been to any part of the East or probably left the southwest. I was just stunned at the comments coming out of her mouth about Igbos and how Jimi Agbaje is a bastards and all.
Bad enough, this is a person who is going to be working with me directly. When she and I got off the car, it was all an awkward silence for me until we finished the job at the site and went back to the office. But it later dawned on me the enormity of the Oba's tribalistic threats....... It goes beyond his kinsmen pandering or making palliative statements as if the man is an immortal whose statements can not be condemned in strong terms. This is very unfortunate, I just hope people will vote their choice today and go home safely without anyone being verbally assaulted or any tribe being blamed for any of the candidates' loss or Victory, this is a democracy after all. 4 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by OdenigboAroli2: 8:39am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Azo:
It is disturbing how this issue is been prolonged. Without a stint of doubt, the Oba was wrong but I would not accept this as though Igbos are right. Till date, which yoruba or hausa man in the SE or SS can contest in a political position? None. But they leave in Lagos expecting to receive what they cant offer in goodwill. However, Igbos believe they have as much right in Lagos as Lagosians. Reason why they threaten heaven and earth more often than not that Nigeria should split of it would that they belong to biafra. The igbo tribe has been at the top of the game in dividing this country along ethnic and somewhat religious lines. Needless to say, on the election in the SE and SS some results are currently rejected due to rigging that occurred. This pattern of voting cannot be compared with the North where PDP still amassed more than 100,000 votes even where the lost woefully compared to the 10,000 votes to a million in the SE. I will say here that all your points are irrelevant and unfounded.
anyi n'enye ajo nsogbu One Nigeria! |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by oluamid(m): 8:39am On Apr 11, 2015 |
tollu: We are still on "My People" "Your People".
Article is tribalistic from where I'm sitting. People have complained, people have condemned but it is seen as "impatient condemnation" and makes it all insincere according to the author. Ngwanu biko, what should be done? I think the Igbos have adapted to the "Victim Mentality" and there's nothing anybody can do to change that anymore. Too bad
Personally, I could not believe an Oba said so when I heard it. Matter of fact, not many people could. So let's go on, let's milk the Oba talk for all it can yield and let's see how that makes any body better.
I couldn't have said it better. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by mcpat(m): 8:39am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Ymodulus: I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading. Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.
I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.
One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.
I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,
1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?
You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.
Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.
Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.
I scrolled down looking for a reply to this but I got none in the few pages I scanned. Mr Ymodulus my little knowledge of engineering tells me that the best way to reduce the friction between two bearing surfaces is by increasing the Young modulus but your comment on the topic in question has done nothing in reducing the current itch the Igbos are feeling. Chimamanda took out time to graphically explain how tribalism has eaten deep into us and your best counter was to state how igbos like to become the landlord of an area that isn't theirs, makes me wonder if lagos isn't on the Nigerian map or Lagosians aint Nigerians. The Civil war as I read from Chinuas manuscript was instigated with the massacre of only one group in mind; the Igbos. I have since decided not to disturb myself with the said tales of my ancestors and to stick to my belief of hearing from both sides of the story. But the yourubas are yet to put up a comprehensive report on what and who caused the genocide. Igbos were threatened in the 60's and still are hence the reason of this piece. Please let's see ourselves as Nigerians working for the betterment of Nigeria. 3 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Scatterboss(m): 8:40am On Apr 11, 2015 |
chaloner: ok we re sorry but me and you knw dat lagos is no mans land na , haba , na bigotry dey shape uur mind lik dis ooo, even yoruba agberos dey cal am no mans land , na tribalism dey disturb u oooo Onitsha might be no man's land. You can keep spewing whatever makes you happy, thats your problem. 1 Like |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Nobody: 8:40am On Apr 11, 2015 |
francizy:
You people speak as if Igbos are forcefully stealing your land and political rights from you. Even when Igbos contest and loose in Lagos, do we go out en masse to cause trouble and kill? No.
Why does everyone turn a blind eye to the troublesome Fulani but label Igbos as the devil in Nigeria? I can recall vividly how peaceful Jos and Plateau state was before some tribes lost elections in that town and started killing their host. What did Nigerians do or say about that? Nothing, why? Because they are born to rule and cannot be challenged by the Yorubas, Igbos and other tribes.
In real sense and from history, the the true owners of Kaduna are the southern Kaduna tribes who are predominantly Christians, but they've been merged with people from Katsina and have had their numbers equal to or a bit smaller than the Northern Kaduna. Since 1999, they've only had one Southern Kaduna ruler who was made governor by the actions of the president in using Sambo as his VP.
We talk of political appointments and stuffs like that not knowing what is happening at the other side. When I schooled in ABU, a Southern Kaduna/Christian Prof won an election for the post of VC but was never made the VC due to massive protest within and outside the walls of the school. Finally, a Hausa/Fulani/Muslim Prof was appointed the VC.
But that is not the case in a Igbo land because I went to Metallurgical Training Institute at Onitsha and a Yoruba man is the Director. Mind you, that's just one establishment I went to. Imagine I was born and brought up in the South East, I would have seen various other tribes holding political/academic posts in my region without my people making a big deal out of it.
The truth will always hurt but I will spill it out, if it was the Fulani tribe that had this large population of the Igbos in a Yoruba/Lagos land and have not produced a governor yet, there would have been serious bloodshed. Take it or leave it. thank u 2 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by maajin007(m): 8:40am On Apr 11, 2015 |
illiad:
FYI we distaste you twice as much as you do us. As for the reasons for your distaste? We are simply destined for greatness which is why after all we went through during the war Ndigbo have the highest GDP per person in this country while the hausas are the poorest even though they have ruled the country for nearly fifty years. And as for the Yorubas they simply can't stomach the ingenuity of the igbo man and the is what is responsible for their bitter bile.
Meanwhile who God bless no man can curse! U know why u are being treated like shit because most of u are suffering from meganomanial;until u solve that issue of yours.Pls let me inform you am not a Hausa or a yoruba |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by chaloner(m): 8:40am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Azo:
It is disturbing how this issue is been prolonged. Without a stint of doubt, the Oba was wrong but I would not accept this as though Igbos are right. Till date, which yoruba or hausa man in the SE or SS can contest in a political position? None. But they leave in Lagos expecting to receive what they cant offer in goodwill. However, Igbos believe they have as much right in Lagos as Lagosians. Reason why they threaten heaven and earth more often than not that Nigeria should split of it would that they belong to biafra. The igbo tribe has been at the top of the game in dividing this country along ethnic and somewhat religious lines. Needless to say, on the election in the SE and SS some results are currently rejected due to rigging that occurred. This pattern of voting cannot be compared with the North where PDP still amassed more than 100,000 votes even where the lost woefully compared to the 10,000 votes to a million in the SE. I will say here that all your points are irrelevant and unfounded.
u re judgin urself , no one is holdin dem not to contest , ok ask urseelf dis , how many hausa man or yoruba man wil build a good house or hav empires and businesses at SE ? Rada dey wil stay in an uncompleted buildin or usee aluminium to carve out som structure to llive, u see , you pple ree js decievin uurselves wit one nigeria , only SE trully bliv in one nigeria , dey goto places , build nd develop d place , contest in any post cos dey strongly bliv in one nigeria , d earlier u pple start behavin lik normal human being d beta for all of us . 5 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by blakky97(m): 8:41am On Apr 11, 2015 |
ControlX: Cc Seun Lalastica ikenna351 afam4eva Pls do the needful.
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I dedicate this fp and ftc to my sweetest mum for all her efforts towards my personal success. Cheers mum. Meanwhile special thanks to lalastica, seun, ikenna351 and afam4eva and all nairalanders... Better things are coming.
Now to the topic.... I think what binds many tribes in Nigeria is a common hatred for the Igbos. This hatred i believe is hinged on the purported dominance of Igbos. What is it about Igbo dominance? Here is what a fellow nairalander has to say...
Great point. Fear of Igbo domination as my father would say is a sign of weakness on the part of the fearer and lack of confidence in their ability. In other words, for someone to dominate you in a non physical way whether economically, socially, educationally, in any way, shape and form as long as they are not holding you hostage physically from succeeding but solely by intelligence in a level playing field, then the conclusion is that person or group of people are smarter than you...this has been scientifically proven. So any tribe that fears Igbo domination are less smarter than the Igbos otherwise compete with them. The reason why Igbos do better in everything that they do, which is often mistaken as domination is because they are smarter than the rest of other ethnic groups in Nigeria. When I mean "smarter" I don't mean individually as a Hausa man can be smarter than a yoruba, yoruba smarter than an ijaw man an ijaw may be smarter than an Igbo, e.t.c., however as a whole in terms of an ethnic group, the Igbos lead the pack in Nigeria and some tribes see it as a domination but actually it isn't...they are just more smarter and have more drive than others. Dr. Thomas Sowell detailed this in his book and actually mentions Igbos as the most successful ethnic group in Nigeria despite the civil war set back.
If Nigeria wants to be truly great, we should not trifle with any tribe, especially the Igbos.
very wrong assertion that the hatred for the industrous clan in nigeria (igbo) is a binding force for other tribes. yorubas, niger deltans, edos, calabars, and many others love igbo people. infact you will see the solidarity with the igbo clan from yorubas and other tribes from tge result of the oba saga. if pdp wins. know that yorubas and others hate the obas speech just as peole voted buhari because patience made wrong choices of speech. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by eaglechild: 8:41am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Sanchez01:
I religiously followed Chinua Achebe was a man I saw as the broken link between the Igbos and other ethnic tribes. I revered him and his works not until he wrote "There was a country". The so-called autobiography was uncalled for as it described what Achebe had nursed over the years. I saw him as someone who cared less about critics and only wanted to write to finally lay claims that he has not forgotten the struggle of his people. I could remember Wole Soyinka said the book was uncalled for as well and it was 'shocking' his good friend could round off his hard work with a disturbing autobiography.
As if that was not enough, Ngozi Chimamanda Adichie wrote "Half of a Yellow Sun" and the movie adaptation clearly revealed that a young lady who was obviously not born during the war managed to write a 'detailed' epistle of the war. I could remember I submitted a review saying "This movie and the book should not have existed". Being a sensitive fellow, I cried at some point in the movie and I thought "how would an Igbo man react to the movie?"
I've never been a fan of Ngozi Chimamanda Adichie and I was obviously not disappointed at the bigot adaptation, rather I blame Chinua Achebe for this. But like Chimamanda started with in this article, we're all born with prejudices. True, we might be born with them but we should be able to live above it. If people around Chimamanda cannot make her forget or shove aside the words of a disgruntled Oba, then she should take to the streets with whoever to protest. We're way past this issue. NCA is relevant and is already a giant in the literature sphere but thinking this piece would make her more relevant is saying black when an object is obviously white. Shove aside the words of a disgruntled Oba indeed. How about an unreserved apology for trying to incite genocide. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by illiad: 8:41am On Apr 11, 2015 |
XBLadez:
I had to save to save these words, bro. It's full of wisdom. Permit me to use them in future references Permission granted a million times. Lol! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by somegirl1: 8:42am On Apr 11, 2015 |
somegirl1:
Funny. So people should be penalized for tendencies rather actions? Funny indeed that a relatively small population are thought to be able dominate wherever they go. Statements like yours make other groups appear weak in comparison.
How do you begin to justify the murder (for that is what it was) of innocent civilians as retribution for assasinations within and by the military?
Why were Ojukwu and other guilty Igbo officers not the targets?
Would you like your family wiped out because of the actions of few of your tribesmen, unrelated to you by blood?
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Whynotthetruth(m): 8:42am On Apr 11, 2015 |
francizy:
You people speak as if Igbos are forcefully stealing your land and political rights from you. Even when Igbos contest and loose in Lagos, do we go out en masse to cause trouble and kill? No.
Why does everyone turn a blind eye to the troublesome Fulani but label Igbos as the devil in Nigeria? I can recall vividly how peaceful Jos and Plateau state was before some tribes lost elections in that town and started killing their host. What did Nigerians do or say about that? Nothing, why? Because they are born to rule and cannot be challenged by the Yorubas, Igbos and other tribes.
In real sense and from history, the the true owners of Kaduna are the southern Kaduna tribes who are predominantly Christians, but they've been merged with people from Katsina and have had their numbers equal to or a bit smaller than the Northern Kaduna. Since 1999, they've only had one Southern Kaduna ruler who was made governor by the actions of the president in using Sambo as his VP.
We talk of political appointments and stuffs like that not knowing what is happening at the other side. When I schooled in ABU, a Southern Kaduna/Christian Prof won an election for the post of VC but was never made the VC due to massive protest within and outside the walls of the school. Finally, a Hausa/Fulani/Muslim Prof was appointed the VC.
But that is not the case in a Igbo land because I went to Metallurgical Training Institute at Onitsha and a Yoruba man is the Director. Mind you, that's just one establishment I went to. Imagine I was born and brought up in the South East, I would have seen various other tribes holding political/academic posts in my region without my people making a big deal out of it.
The truth will always hurt but I will spill it out, if it was the Fulani tribe that had this large population of the Igbos in a Yoruba/Lagos land and have not produced a governor yet, there would have been serious bloodshed. Take it or leave it. Bro, no need wasting your time on people like Ymodulus... they only reason through ethnic lens and are unapologetically biased folks who constitute everything wrong with the society. Read through his posts and see...What he spewed here has gotten nothing to do with the article he wants to comment on....Just tired of folks like him...Atimes, I wish this forum will have a means of examining mental capacity and age of mind of most individuals here...because some reasoning are quite ridiculous.... When you advocated for nationalism as against ethnicity... I told you how bigoted these guys are...Just check out any thread that has to do with ethnicity especially Igbo and you see them bare their fangs...Inferiority complex and low self esteem alongside lack of innovative reasoning and skills have dealt them a heavy blow....Soon, some will rush out to boast that they are politically sophisticated and informed but history proves otherwise and presents them as bigots.... 8 Likes 1 Share |
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Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Holuwathoby(m): 8:42am On Apr 11, 2015 |
The Igbo's shd re-think and check their ways, why all other ethnic groups in Nigeria are always againt them. U rent a room to an Igbo person but will in the long run want to by force take possession of the whole house. I think the only thing that can satisfy the igbos is to allow them to disintegrate from the present nigeria otherwise I fear this trend may continue since it has bn lingering for decades. Mind u, SW is the seat and head-quater of knowledge in nigeria and I wonder what dominance mean without knowledge, only that we are not dubious in our character. Am a YORUBA and a christain too so SE ppl shd learn from their Bible what true chriatianity mean- uprightness in character! My opinion though |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by brainbox2014(m): 8:42am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Here's a comment from a blog on which I first read the piece
Chimamanda, nice piece but this is not a matter to over-flog. You’re not more Igbo than me and many others saying “let’s move on” “calm down”. Many of us your fans will like to see how you can promote national unity through your writings. You write with too much ethnic fervour for a writer that all Nigerians will like to see as a national ambassador. At the end, what reaction do you expect from your readers in writing this poignant criticism of what you consider to be anti-igbo trend? That we Igbos should hate those of our countrymen from other tribes more, feel oppressed, disliked and hold our heads down like an ostrich or take up cudgels against the Oba of Lagos who showed so much scorn for our tribe? You don’t live amongst us so it’s dangerous to yield to your temptation. If ethnic strife breaks out here, the genocide will be a material for your story telling abroad but some of us here may not be alive to read the story. Nigerians are coming out of those primordial ethnic sentiments you’re promoting. We are focusing on issues of development and the collective progress of all tribes, all tongues, all cultures in Nigeria. Igbos love Yorubas and Yorubas love Igbos. Leave all that story that do not change our lives for the better in any way my sister." - Stanley 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by M4gunners: 8:42am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Where's Wole Soyinka? He is now deaf and blind i guess. Nemesis will catch up soon. 4 Likes |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Ymodulus: 8:43am On Apr 11, 2015 |
OLUJAY4REAL:
My friend, that lady called Chimamanda has made valid points in her submissions. I can't see serious argument in what you've just posted. I'm a complete yoruba person but detribalised. M not Yoruba either sir. If the biafran succession had succeeded its safe to say I would have been a complete Biafran. I am also detribalised |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Darlduchi: 8:43am On Apr 11, 2015 |
[quote author=jogojogo post=32583181]
I know no igbo would want to talk about the reason/origin of the massacre in the north. Sentiment apart, reality, Igbos planted the seed that germinated into the massacre and the consistent hatred suffered.
The Hausa/Fulani felt betrayed by the "smartness" of the Igbos in attempting to preserve their "statesmen" while the Hausa/Fulani in all "foolishness" killed their own illustrious sons in line with the agreement reached from all sections of the country. Alas! the ibos play the usual smartness and tribalistic tendency. So worst, that the North even allowed Emeka Nzogu to kill the revered Sardauna who brought him up. The north made the sacrifice but igbos betrayed the arrangement.
At the end of the coup, it was then cleared that the North had been fooled by the so call "smart" race. With this impression in the heart of Hausa/Fulani, an ending era of hatred, hostility and killing was birthed....and as if history had been erased they cry cry cry cry....... [/quot
Listen to Radio BIAFRA and get your self educated. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Nobody: 8:45am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Sanchez01:
Please don't get me wrong. When things happen and I don't feel it directly, I try to imagine myself in the "feeler's" shoes. I bear no ill will against anyone just that bigotry sickens me. I still believe the movie was never needed still. I like how its just your opinion that the movie was not needed. However It's my own opinion, even as someone committed to Nigeria that the history of this country is very much needed in any form it can be told. My opinion 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Nobody: 8:45am On Apr 11, 2015 |
iconize:
You're a drunken mooron!
You're too dumb to be living.
Anyways, yo' brain scan is out! name calling abuses and violence like a child throwing tantrums..grow up .You guys act like perpetual children. |
Re: Chimamanda Adichie's Article On The Oba Of Lagos Saga by Nobody: 8:46am On Apr 11, 2015 |
ideykwum: Hosts? Do you pay their rents and provide their feeding? I'm appalled at this level of craziness!
me I wonder o, they keep talking as if d igbo's in lagos were given free land, and dat they accomodate them by bringing food to give dem every morning and dash dem money everytime... somebody wud be suffering for over 20years, some of dem start of be hawking things, from there they get blessed and they rent there own shops, from there they get a big business, build a house and get married. and is now comfortable, while dat person was busy running under d hot sun hustling on his own, most times he slept under d bridge, slept in empty stomach this ppl didn't remember them, but once they make it,they wud come and say they made it because yorubas are accommodating. If sm1 goes to Lagos and seats down wud a Yoruba man come and say take my land, I am dashing u.... dz ppl just keep talking out if ignorance. 8 Likes 2 Shares |