LuckyG1:


Do you know me in myself?

Look i don't even know you, know about you not to talk of knowing you in yourself.

I know God because i have a relationship with Him.

An2elect2:
You read well.

That is what it says. Jesus has claimed to be the only way to the father. It logically follows that all other ways cannot lead to the Father.

Who is the father?

An2elect2:


Yes we can safely agree that it is their fault if they perish. All men deserve to perish anyway cos of our sin/sins. But all those who seek God would find mercy.

Sin is our own doing not God's. And so we deserve alienation from God for it. johnydon22

Who gave the nature is the first crimemaker,although he is a smooth criminal...

If man is a simulate of God,and if man possesses the ens and critters of god naturiality.It means,God will subject man to eternal punishment on his own objection.Is this right?

johnydon22:
lmao, even when he lacks basic morality himself.
With our own human morality we find it immoral to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment, so ur god fails woefully compared to a basic human sense of morality.

Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. It depends on no book, creed or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.


[size=20] There we have it. . . Congratulations for that [/size] You just proved my assertion that you lack basic human morality.

Well judging from what i see your sense of morality learnt from this god is very sick. . . I find it unimaginable that a human could conceive others burning forever and be fine with that, you have no right to ever criticize anybody who hurts fellow humans with this your type of mindset because yours is worse.
Oh yes just like your god wiped out all the little children in the world, thats a very good show of morality there.



This is the part i shake my head and #Sighs.

And there he goes. He thinks his opinion matters. Hahahahuhuhu You don't know the source of human morality. Big joker!

An2elect2:


huhuhuhu

Did i derail? oh sorry o. I said something about eternal punishment and you jumped in from no where to attack.

Do you know the meaning of "all merciful"? maybe you should check where it is used in the bible and come back and tell me its contextual usage.

Am a Christian and i will not really on your limited knowledge of my infinite and invincible God.

Every iteration of the biblical "god" being merciful is in praises the bible referenced towards it....it's supposed actions in the bible do not reflect those praises...

You can hoot being a "christian" all day, it only means you've swallowed the belief and nothing more..

An2elect2:


Yes we can safely agree that it is their fault if they perish. All men deserve to perish anyway cos of our sin/sins. But all those who seek God would find mercy.

Can you please point out one of this sins that deserves eternal punishment?

An2elect2:
is our own doing not God's. And so we deserve alienation from God for it. johnydon22

Just a few moments ago you asserted sin was a nature, human nature to be precise. . and according to u "god" created humans therefore he created this sin. .

Rilwayne001:

Who is the father?

Have you ever wondered why Jesus said He is the door and also the Shepherd?

An2elect2, if a starving child steals to feed himself is that a sin that'll be worthy of eternal punishment?

An2elect2:


Look i don't even know you, know about you not to talk of knowing you in yourself.

I know God because i have a relationship with Him.

Since you don't know me in myself,a full blown mortal it thus means that you can never know in all the first cause of all causes...

And anything you suppose on that first cause is only a thing of experience and ideas.

Do you trust your senses?

An2elect2:


And there he goes. He thinks his opinion matters. Hahahahuhuhu You don't know the source of human morality. Big joker!

Oh No it certainly doesnt matter because you have a very sick moral basis based on the guilts you were indoctrinated to bear. . . Its quite a pitiable state.

And the laughs is a very huge way to show you dont even know what to say

An2elect2:


Look i don't even know you, know about you not to talk of knowing you in yourself.

I know God because i have a relationship with Him.

Lmao you know god right? Now i will like you to tell us what it looks like?

johnydon22:
Can you please point out one of this sins that deserves eternal punishment?



Just a few moments ago you asserted sin was a nature, human nature to be precise. . and according to u "god" created humans therefore he creature this sin. .

All sins deserve eternal death

I said we became sin or took on us the nature of sin as a result of the fall of Adam. Adam was a man that disobeyed God and hence sinned against God. Man's disobedience brought in sin or you can say, sin started from man. God did not create sin.

davien:
An2elect2, if a starving child steals to feed himself is that a sin that'll be worthy of eternal punishment?

Do men sin just once? even if they do, the wages of sin remains death

An2elect2:


All sins deserve eternal death

I said we became sin or took on us the nature of sin as a result of the fall of Adam. Adam was a man that disobeyed God and hence sinned against God. Man's disobedience brought in sin or you can say, sin started from man. God did not create sin.

Al sins deserve eternal punishment? sorry to say this but dear you have a very sickening sense of morality. Since you can actually conceive humans burning forever and be ok with it. .

I hope when you have kids, prepare a burning room in the basement for them, push them in there if any of them does something wrong. . that'd be a very good way to emulate your god and he is a moral giver therefore it is the right thing to do.

So you inherited the sin of adam that you know nothing about?

You became sin because some dude sinned?

Your god bore this same grudge of adam's sin right from the beginning till now? ( Now isn't that a long time to bear a grudge? thats another character flaw. .)

even to the extent of condemning a day old child as a sin because of some adam.

So you think it is right to blame the sin of the father on the son who doesnt even have any idea what it is?

You still helping show more of ur god's character flops that wows me..

An2elect2:


All sins deserve eternal death

I said we became sin or took on us the nature of sin as a result of the fall of Adam. Adam was a man that disobeyed God and hence sinned against God. Man's disobedience brought in sin or you can say, sin started from man. God did not create sin.

Since God created a psychological Man,he had placed his world into an abyssless doom...

There is a way you think God should have created Man without his psychology and thoughts aligned to his nature to avoid earthly pervertion...

Please tell us...

LuckyG1:


Since you don't know me in myself,a full blown mortal it thus means that you can never know in all the first cause of all causes...

And anything you suppose on that first cause is only a thing of experience and ideas.

Do you trust your senses?

You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

LuckyG1:


Since you don't know me in myself,a full blown mortal it thus means that you can never know in all the first cause of all causes...

And anything you suppose on that first cause is only a thing of experience and ideas.

Do you trust your senses?

You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

An2elect2:


You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

Now this is funny. . . You have never perceived this allegedly omnipresent being with your conscious mind. . but through a dude you dont even know, that they wrote once lived in the middle east.

Lol ok lets say you know who Jesus is, tell us; Does he have a long or short hair?

johnydon22:

Al sins deserve eternal punishment? sorry to say this but dear you have a very sickening sense of morality. Since you can actually conceive humans burning forever and be ok with it. .

I hope when you have kids, prepare a burning room in the basement for them, push them in there if any of them does something wrong. . that'd be a very good way to emulate your god and he is a moral giver therefore it is the right thing to do.

So you inherited the sin of adam that you know nothing about?

You became sin because some dude sinned?

Your god bore this same grudge of adam's sin right from the beginning till now? ( Now isn't that a long time to bear a grudge? thats another character flaw. .)

even to the extent of condemning a day old child as a sin because of some adam.

So you think it is right to blame the sin of the father on the son who doesnt even have any idea what it is?

You still helping show more of ur god's character flops that wows me..

God in His infinite wisdom put all of us in Adam. We were all in Adam when he sinned and what we inherited was not the punishment for His personal sin but the nature of than sin, disobedience.

An2elect2:


God in His infinite wisdom put all of us in Adam. We were all in Adam when he sinned and what we inherited was not the punishment for His personal sin but the nature of than sin, disobedience.

So it is ok to blame you for the sin your father committed

LuckyG1:


Since God created a psychological Man,he had placed his world into an abyssless doom...

There is a way you think God should have created Man without his psychology and thoughts aligned to his nature to avoid earthly pervertion...

Please tell us...

God did not create man to rebel against Him but to give Him glory. God created man good but He did not create him as a perfect being. Hence his fall. Only God is perfect. To create a perfect being is like creating another God which is not possible.

An2elect2:


You are a mortal and a man. Are you omnipresent?
The God that i serve is. All things are before Him. And He has found it pleasing to reveal Himself to me through Christ Jesus our Lord. That is why i know Him.
Comprende?

God is with me now,and I do hope both Gods of ours is same?

Or not?

An2elect2:


God did not create man to rebel against Him but to give Him glory. God created man good but He did not create him as a perfect being. Hence his fall. Only God is perfect. To create a perfect being is like creating another God which is not possible.

God did not create a man...

He created a psychological being,a rational mind,one with a thinking faculty...

So,he created all substances of His and Man's own earthly rational antinomies...

johnydon22:


So it is ok to blame you for the sin your father committed

You still do not get it. All of us inherited the nature of sin from Adam (not the consequent punishment for his disobedience). Why? because we all sinned in Adam! Now, i don't even expect you to understand that.

But that's the truth

LuckyG1:

God is with me now,and I do hope both Gods of ours is same?
Or not?

Are you not an atheist?

An2elect2:


God did not create man to rebel against Him but to give Him glory. God created man good but He did not create him as a perfect being. Hence his fall. Only God is perfect. To create a perfect being is like creating another God which is not possible.

Then,it is worthless building a car with three wheels,no air conditional and no driving board when actually you can make a good one.


Matter CLOSE.

An2elect2:


God did not create man to rebel against Him but to give Him glory.

An omnipotent, omniscient and perfect being needs people that will be giving glory? What does giving glory add or remove from something perfect. . Its a character flaw to be demanding love and worship all the worse threaten the people if they fail to give it.

An2elect2:

God created man good but He did not create him as a perfect being. Hence his fall. Only God is perfect. To create a perfect being is like creating another God which is not possible.

Lets get this straight.

He created an imperfect man (even tho he is perfect and i am wondering how perfection can bore out imperfection.)

He created imperfect man

Knowing fully well that imperfect man has a tendency to sin, he was expecting imperfect man to be perfect when he created man to be imperfect.

Then blames man who acted according his imperfect nature which god created. . Who really is the cause here. .

Was it the Perfect being that made an imperfect being or the imperfect being acting on his nature as made by the perfect being.

How can perfection bring forth imperfection.

Wait a minute, god is supposed to be omniscient meaning he already knew all this would happen trillions of years before they did. . Now it begs me to ask "Who then is at fault here?

and how come he was surprised man fell when he must have known trillions of years before it happened?

how come he was expecting man not to sin when he must have known man will sin even before creating man.

LuckyG1:


God did not created a man...

He created a psychological being,a rational mind,one with a thinking faculty...

So,he created all substances of His and Man's own earthly rational antinomies...

Well God created a man.

And to your last two statements, did i say otherwise anywhere?

An2elect2:


Well God created a man.

And to your last two statements, did i say otherwise anywhere?

In otherwords,He is an indirect object of sin and rebelling in man.

An2elect2:


You still do not get it. All of us inherited the nature of sin from Adam (not the consequent punishment for his disobedience). Why? because we all sinned in Adam! Now, i don't even expect you to understand that.

But that's the truth

Am sure this doesnt even make sense to you a bit but you have no choice.

Am sure you never remembered eating an apple with adam cus honey you didnt, you were not in existence.

Someone that blames you and accuses you of being an accomplice in an act you know nothing about basically is totally flawed.

I ask again, since you think u were in Adam who allegedly was the first human then you must also have been in your father.

So is it right to punish you for the sins your father committed

johnydon22:
An omnipotent, omniscient and perfect being needs people that will be giving glory? What does giving glory add or remove from something perfect. . Its a character flaw to be demanding love and worship all the worse threaten the people if they fail to give it.

What do you expect from God who made all things BY AND FOR Himself. Don't He have the right to run them as He pleases? Is that not why He is GOD!? your point is flawed

johnydon22:

Lets get this straight.

He created and imperfect man (even tho he is perfect and i am wondering how perfection can bore out imperfection.)

God created a man not God

johnydon22:

He created imperfect man

Knowing fully well that imperfect man has a tendency to sin, he was expecting imperfect man to be perfect when he created man to be imperfect.

God was not EXPECTING AN IMPERFECT MAN TO BE PERFECT. God does not expect the opposite of what He already knows!

johnydon22:

Then blames man who acted according his imperfect nature which god created. . Who really is the cause here. .

Was it the Perfect being that made an imperfect being or the imperfect being acting on his nature as made by the perfect being.

Just like i said before God did not create man to sin and He was not expecting Him not to sin either. He did not create sin because God cannot rebel against Himself. Sin is something that only man can commit that is why the blame and the guilt is upon man.

johnydon22:

How can perfection bring forth imperfection.

Wait a minute, god is supposed to be omniscient meaning he already knew all this would happen trillions of years before they did. . Now it begs me to ask "Who then is at fault here?

and how come he was surprised man fell when he must have known trillions of years before it happened?

how come he was expecting man not to sin when he must have known man will sin even before creating man.

Yes God knew man would fall and He expected it.

God creating an imperfect being is not a sin, what is sin is rebelling against God. And that is why man is to be blamed and punished for sin.

LuckyG1:


In otherwords,He is an indirect object of sin and rebelling in man.

God does not need to be indirectly active in wicked man, his(man) evil nature is enough for the job and journey to hell.