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Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 12:38am On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: You keep going in circles and is really tiring. Everything that i've told you does not only make perfect sense to me but is the reality that all men must face whether here or beyond. ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 12:47am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2:Lmao, Your god creates because he needs love and worship, why would a perfect being need anything, be it love, worship or glory. . . .And then stoops as low as threatening people with fire to get it. . Hhmmm very shallow. An2elect2:Oh he already knew man would fall, yet he decided to punish man for falling according to his nature of imperfection which he "god" made that way. An2elect2:Now this bolded shows that god never knew whether man would sin or not, meaning he is not omniscient after all ![]() Meanwhile same you asserted above me that he already know. . lmao. . am enjoying this ![]() An2elect2:You say he did not create sin? But he created an imperfect man who has the ability to sin, this ability was from god so how come you say he didn't create since he gave man tendency/ability to sin. ![]() An2elect2:Another contradiction, let me show you one of your post now that say the opposite. God did not create man to sin and [b]He was not expecting Him not to sin eitherYou dont even know which is it right? whether he knew or he didnt. . ![]() meanwhile so he knew man would fall, then gets angry when man eventually fell and convicted to punishing man for acting as expected. . means he already created hell knowing fully well man would fall. . . Come to think of it, if he already knew man would fall and he can never be wrong, it means man had no choice but to fall to coincide with god's fore knowledge of his fall. because if man didnt fall as god already knew then god was wrong. An2elect2:And dont forget god already knew man would fall before creating man, so who really is the cause, why blame man who is just the victim in this game. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 12:49am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Actually i asked a very basic and simple question. . the least you could do is answer yes or No. . if you tell me either Yes or No i will stop quoting you and let it rest. [size=20] Is it right to punish you for your father's sin?[/size] yes or No ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Rilwayne001: 6:11am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Who is the father? thats my question ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by frank317: 7:05am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: All sins deserves eternal death? Sadly u are comfortable with this. I deserve eternal death for lusting after a woman? Sweetheart you might go about screaming I am a Christian but your so called good religion has turned you too a good beast. Remember boko haram who kill infidels believe their sins deserves them to be beheaded. Pls what's the difference between a pretty girl like you and the boko boys? |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Nobody: 7:12am On May 01, 2015 |
Am Sorry An2elect you prove ontological but you are contradictory by argument... Why should a perfect God creates an imperfect being? It is just like buiding a car,instead of God building a car on four wheels,He decided to test your nature of existence and positivism by building that very car on three-tire wheels and the forth one on just the iron wheel.He as well removed the speedometer reader and your brake.But the car was darnishly sprayed with four sits.Notwithstanding,God was happy that he gave you an imperfect car with no speed reader,no brake, and other thing of no complete comfortability. 1)If you were to ask to take this car,will you take it? 2)If you have no ideal of what perceptive perfectionism is,will you say this car is imperfect? 3)If you were to use this car,how much will you strive as to reach your God-given destination without crashing on busy car users and pedestrians? For a car with no brake,will you ever have time to think if this car holds the imperfections or you or the car as well as you? 4)If this car with no brake be seen as a poison that if given to you on ingestion may end your existence four hours from now,don't you think God's care is moulded and mudded with corruptness either by him made or just our senses? 5)On failing to reach this destination,do you really think,you should be blamed or the car or God probably? If a perfect demiurge creates an imperfect being,it means both perfection and imperfection is being housed by that God... If i give you a gun to steal because I find it too indulging,if you were caught,do you think i should be free on impunity or by law face punishment? Is it only who did the crime on the surface is the crime-maker? |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by frank317: 7:19am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: How in the world does this make sense to u. and ur God is going to punish me eternally for not understanding this crap? |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by frank317: 7:29am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Finally, you have shown how confused u are. Look lady, its not about running mouth and shouting "I am a christian, I have experienced God", a little drilling from dear Johnny and you are spewing thrash. Just putting words together to make meaning ur belief. 1 Like |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 8:26am On May 01, 2015 |
frank317: frank317: frank317: frank317: Your opinion does not matter so i don't care what you think. You atheists have proven to me how non sensible you all are. If I've told you i am a Christian who abides by the divine and of course logical word of God, and then you want me to turn around against the this Word and think like you, you are the unreasonable one who is battling with common sense! |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 8:49am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: But after all our discussion here, we just saw and understood it was not logical at all. We saw the wickedness and pure unadulterated evil your alleged good book have imbedded in you by giving you the idea of people burning forever and be ok with it. and the glaring contradictions you pour out. . . think its clear who the unreasonable one is. For once try and base your thinking based on you independent of any thing, lets see how it goes. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 8:51am On May 01, 2015 |
LuckyG1: Just like i said before CREATING A PERFECT BEING IS NOT POSSIBLE. You have to understand this impossibility first before you talk of who/what caused Adam to sin. Yes, man was created imperfect and made subject to a perfect God. It was His imperfect nature, owing to the fact that he was a man that led to his fall. And for being a subject of God he owes all his doings/responsibilities to God. God cannot be blamed, because there is no law above God. The onus lies on man: to keep or break the law. It is the transgression of this law that is called sin. And this is also a rebellion against the Lawgiver. What attracts punishment is not the imperfect nature itself, but the sin borne out of it. You cannot hold the Lawgiver accountable for sin. Because He is not under the law and hence impossible for Him to sin or partake in sin. ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 8:56am On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: The problem is not coming from the Word but you! You talk of logic, then you should understand why God is God first. Who He is. What He loves and hate. When you understand this first, then it will make sense to you, mortal man. Look at you ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 9:01am On May 01, 2015 |
And is johnydon22 still asking me if i will be punished for my Father's sin. Even when i've told Him several times that we all took the nature of sin which God by His infinite wisdom subjected all of us to. SMH, common sense is not found in your religion, atheists. You cannot hold God responsible for man's fall. He is not accountable to anybody. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 9:05am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Wow wonderful, so creating a perfect man was impossible for god to do? this shows he cant do everything, he's not omnipotent after all heh? ![]() Good we have understood that creating a perfect man is impossible for god therefore we have clearly understood god is not omnipotent. An2elect2:Man was made imperfect by a perfect god. . it was this imperfection that caused man to sin and this imperfection was made by god, therefore it was god who caused man to sin by bringing forth imperfection. You see your perfect god was not only capable of making an imperfect being. . . How can there be a rectangular circle? it is impossible same way something perfect can not bore out imperfection but your god who allegedly is perfect bore out not only imperfect man but angels also. . So? ![]() An2elect2:Yes when a mechanic makes a car without a break, the car is to blame for failing break and not the mechanic who decided not to add a break. . . Do you even hear yourself? god is above law? when ur god can't even keep the very basic law of morality it disqualifies it from being a judge over others morality. An2elect2:Sin was born out of imperfection and this imperfection was from god. . . so he is punishing man for the mistake he himself did. An2elect2:Oh No when measured with the same yardstick of morality as a human, which is a very basic moral standard, your god failed woefully in it. . shouldn't we have expected better from god? Their is need to re-evaluate your moral basis.. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 9:11am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2:So an all good god subjected you to to bear the nature of sin over what you know nothing about. and that is a very good show of infinite wisdom huh? ![]() He is still bearing the grudge of one adam till now subjecting a new born innocent child to be a sin because of what allegedly happened in the very beginning. . bearing a grudge that long is character disorder. From the way you doge this question, it is clear you think its not right to hold you for your father's sin . . . An2elect2:. . Lmao actually our senses are not common, it is a very rare one. . .Something common is something simple, that can be used to describe you thinking. . You have a common sense ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 9:12am On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Oho! so you think you are an independent thinker? more jokes loading... Why do you think this way in the first place? Why do you think God does not exist? "independent" thinkers in the house. Can you share why you think you are "independent" in your thoughts and how you came to erroneously believe God does not exist? I want to see how "independent" you all are. Anybody? ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 9:14am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Hahahaha An2elect2 i may end up marrying you one day hope you will like that ![]() He loves and hates just like an imperfect man who is a subject of his emotions, even hate is not a good emotion to man, this shows another imperfect traits of your god. . meaning he has another character flaw which is hating. I'd expect more from someone supposedly all good. You still showing us how imperfect your god concept is. . ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 9:21am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Lmao you want to cherrypick this one? ok good let me fully demonstrate my stance. I say: Their is God (Amadioha) (a claim) you say: I dont believe you Prove it. . my lack of proof to substantiate the existence of amadioha is proof enough for you to lack belief in my claim You say: Their is a God (yahweh)(a claim) i say: I dont believe you, prove it. All you need do is provide proof, just like if i provide proof of amadioha it wouldnt be a claim anymore. So till you can substantiate your claim with proof it remains a claim until proven otherwise. And that is very simple. . . All we get is a very twisted poor flawed arguments . . . i think you fully grasp the position now. . ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by simplex2: 9:24am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Damn! How do you ever find yourself worthy when you think so low of yourself this way? You believe you don't deserve your life, that all men deserve to perish bla bla bla... I'm grateful that I don't subscribe to this school of thought; ministry of condemnation! |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by tartar9(m): 9:33am On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2:which sin? |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 9:33am On May 01, 2015 |
simplex2: Actually it is not her fault, she was indoctrinated into it. First they told her she inherited Adam's sin therefore is not worthy. They told her she was conceived with sin therefore not worth. They told her she is not worthy of love, that she is a sinner that is terrible and needs saving. Therefore a guy had to come to die to save her. . All these guilts were imbedded into her as a child therefore creating an adult who thinks herself unworthy, broken and a sin. It was not her fault at all, she was just another victim of mental child abuse. 1 Like |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by udatso: 10:50am On May 01, 2015 |
Where are the likes of Ifeann truthman2012 true2god basilico and the rest of them when you need them. Oh I forgot, they are busy with Muslims. You guys should know it's totally unfair to leave An2elect2 here all by herself to take the heat. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Ifeann(f): 11:00am On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Oh stop taunting An2elect2. Hope u know Christianity is a religion that has a very large number of converts and not people born into it(such as Hinduism and Islam). Most people are drawn to Christianity because of the Gospel and teachings of Christ and not the guilt of original sin or the punishment of hell or the intricacies of old testament theology. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Ifeann(f): 11:02am On May 01, 2015 |
udatso: Am here. What's ur questions. Make it smart. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by udatso: 11:08am On May 01, 2015 |
Ifeann:Questions aren't mine...... They are from johnydon22 and friends......... Only An2elect2 has been answering up to the event that she started falsifying her own statement....... Read the op |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by frank317: 12:25pm On May 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: Of course my opinion does not matter Lol... Atheists are trying to make u see how unreasonable ur belief is. It's just surprising you can't see it |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 12:39pm On May 01, 2015 |
Ifeann: nobody is taunting anybody dude. . Are you a convert to christianity? So you are saying their are no muslim converts? or Hindu converts? Are you purposely trying to be be deceptive here or what? and that gospel of christ please remind me what it says again? ![]() |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Hiswordxray(m): 1:23pm On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22:God isn't going to punish a finite sin with infinite judgment. God only desires to contain evil and the best was to do that is Hell. But if people hold on to evil then they will go to Hell with the evil they refuse to let go. You have to let go of humanity because humanity had been poisoned with incurable evil. Let go of evil so that you won't perish with it. God loves you. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 1:34pm On May 01, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:woooow bravo!!! an allegedly omnipotent being wanted to contain evil (that was a result of his imperfections) and the best he could come up is hell. . . Now thats a wonderful idea i must say. Hiswordxray: Am not sure you even know what mankind or humanity means. Someone who harbours in his mind the thought of mankind perishing is the one that is incurably evil to me. . and you need to forgo that evil. You need to re-evaluate your moral basis before labelling anything evil cus from what i see here is someone who is wishing and waiting for the whole of humankind to perish, and that to me is sickening and blatant evil. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by Ifeann(f): 2:08pm On May 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Dude the vast majority of Hindus and moslems are born into the religion. Buddists even have a growing convert population thanks to the popularity and new western craze with meditation, yoga poses and breathing exercises etc that has increased it's appeal. I never said there are no converts to the two aforementioned religions. Are u now using al Taqiyya..jk ![]() U were taunting 2elect as if she and other Christians are Brain washed and indoctrinated straight from birth and didn't make the concious effort to join Christianity based on its teachings. |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by johnydon22(m): 2:59pm On May 01, 2015 |
Ifeann: And now you start taking things off point. . . Islam have large amount of converts, so does Christianity and other religions. . its a web of unending circles. Both islam and christianity thrives on indoctrination, no one can deny that fact cus we all live in the same society, we have been in this one or the other. . . You can now go and read the OP and stop derailing into which religion thrives on indoctrination because we all know the answer... |
Re: A Simple Question To All Christians by An2elect2(f): 4:36pm On May 01, 2015 |
frank317: If only that was true then your post would have made sense. (bolded) |
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