MeandSum:



Paul never met Jesus. He never did. period! Mathew, that wrote the first book of the new testament never met Jesus. He is basically retelling the stories from Mark and didn't meet Jesus. The writer of Mark is not the same as Mark the Evangelist.The writer of Luke is not the same as Luke the Evangelist. All those books were written 30 to 80 years after Jesus. The only books in the bible possibly written by someone who knew or met Jesus is James, written by Jesus's younger brother James, and his And Jesus's 3rd brother Jude. that's it.

MeandSum:

Paul never met Jesus. He never did. period! Mathew, that wrote the first book of the new testament never met Jesus. He is basically retelling the stories from Mark and didn't meet Jesus. The writer of Mark is not the same as Mark the Evangelist.The writer of Luke is not the same as Luke the Evangelist. All those books were written 30 to 80 years after Jesus. The only books in the bible possibly written by someone who knew or met Jesus is James, written by Jesus's younger brother James, and his And Jesus's 3rd brother Jude. that's it.

mustymatic:

The people who wrote the Bible neva met, seen, or
talked to Jesus? Who are Matthew, Luke, Paul?
Paul who? Matthew who? they don't even kno their
Bible had anonymous writers wit no surname. they
record "according to" even in d modern world it'll
not be accepted, only Christians. . ... different
versions, who wud follow that for God sake?

dalaman:


The books of James and Jude were both written in the 2nd Century by Christians and not the brothers of Jesus. Authorship was given to those names but they never wrote down those books.

malvisguy212:
The Bible is the most
remarkable book ever written.
About 40 men of several
countries and many
occupations did the writing.
They wrote over a period of
approximately 1500 years and
in three languages - Hebrew, Aramaic,
and Greek. Yet the Bible is an well-
organized unity with one great theme
and central figure - Jesus Christ. All of
this would be impossible unless the Bible
had one supreme Author - and it did -
the Holy Spirit of God.
A. The Age Of The Bible
The earliest portions of Scripture
date back more than 3,300 years.
However, its message has been
fresh and relevant to men of every
age and generation. Its pages are
still producing new gems of truth,
even to those who study them the
most.
B. The Demand For The Bible
It is by far the most widely circulated
book in the world. Since 1804, more
than 800 million Bibles and portions
of Scripture have been issued. These
figures are from the British and
Foreign Bible Societies alone. Every
year more than 22 million copies of
the complete Bible and New
Testament are circulated around the
globe.
The Bible has been translated more
than any other book. Each year we
see an increase in the number of
translations. The following figures
reflect this steady growth.
In 1500 A.D. it had been printed
in 14 languages.
In 1600 - about 40 languages.
In 1800 - about 72 languages.
In 1900 - about 567 languages.
In 1937 - about 1,000 languages
In 1970 - about 1500 languages.
In 1997 - to date, at least partially
translated in more than 2100
languages.
(Wycliffe Bible Translators are
currently working on an additional
1000 languages.)
3. The Uniqueness Of The Bible
(This material and more information
under this topic can be found in
Evidence Which Demands A Verdict. Josh
McDowell, pp. 16-25)
A. Unique In Its Continuity -
The Bible has an unique continuity when
you consider that...
it was written over a 1500-year period;
written over 40 generations;
written by over 40 authors from every
walk of life including kings, peasants,
philosophers, fishermen, poets,
statesmen, scholars, etc.;
written in many different places.
B. Unique In Its Survival -
1. Survival through Time -
Being written on material that
perishes, having to be copied
and recopied for hundreds of
years before the invention of
the printing press, did not
diminish its style, correctness
or existence. The Bible,
compared with other ancient
writings, has more manuscript
evidence than any 10 pieces of
classical literature combined.

Scholar8200:
Indeed! No Book has suffered such volume of multifaceted attacks and yet remains steadfast while myriads of its attackers , after serving their time on earth, were whisked by the cold hands of death to eternity unprepared.

malvisguy212:
bless you my brother, I notice your effort here on nairaland, it was good, good to know someone is strong in the faith.
http://www.godandscience.org/discovery/chapter1.html

malvisguy212:
no prove?

dalaman:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_James

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Jude

malvisguy212:
so what your points?from the link you paste:
The writer of the letter of
James identifies himself as "a slave of
God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", in
much the same way as did Jude, who
introduced the Epistle of Jude by calling
himself "a slave of Jesus Christ, but a
brother of James". (Jas 1:1; Jude 1)
Furthermore, the salutation of James’
letter includes the term “Greetings!” in
the same way as did the letter
concerning circumcision that was sent to
the congregations. In this latter instance
it was apparently Jesus’ brother James
who spoke prominently in the assembly
of "the apostles and the older men" at
Jerusalem.

James and Jude was brother, agreed? According to you, which christians wrote it? Because the link you paste indicate there was disagreement between the author, so how do you draw the conclusion it was christians that wrote it? The link even indicate it was between James the brother of Jesus and the other disciple also called James or Jude and his brother James.

dalaman:


Many people came together and constructed the tallest building in the world which is located in Dubai. The people used the same engineering principle, the building is one , yet it was built by so many different people based on a single engineering principle. You have failed. Stop speaking English and provide incontrovertible evidence.

dalaman:


Why are you being disingenuous? Why are you only copying and pasting the parts that you agree with? What does the link say about the authorship of the book of James?

malvisguy212:
the bible say God was acting before the world was. Which other god make such claimed?

malvisguy212:
The author of this epistle (letter) is James, also called James the Just, who is thought to be the brother of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3). James was not a believer (John 7:3-5) until after the resurrection (Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:7; Galatians 1:19). He became the head of the Jerusalem church and is mentioned first as a pillar of the church ( Galatians 2:9).

dalaman:


Acting where? Must any other God say the same thing? The Koran also said that Allah created the universe. All these are claims. Where is your incontrovertible evidence to show that the God of the bible alone created the universe and not Allah or Brahma?

malvisguy212:
on many occasion the quran indicate Allah is praying, to whom did he pray to? I created a thread about this and they deleted it. Infacte the quran does not say Allah exist before the world was.

I need to see the claimed of the rest gods to know if they are suitable for the first caused, as in now, only the bible God made such claimed, he exist before the world began.even Jesus say he share the glory with the father before the world began.

dalaman:


The Hindu creation story obviously states the same thing, it says Brahma existed before the world began. So what if Allah is praying to himself? Didn't Jesus whom you consider to be God also pray to himself in the bible?

malvisguy212:
can you provide the evidence of this Hindu god? Go find out the meaning of prayer.

Jesus pray because He is human.Jesus has two nature, fully God and fully man. God possessed the body of Jesus but the bible never say God override his human nature. Whenever Jesus pray or reffere himself as "son of man" it was his human nature.

dalaman:


I am not a Hindu so I can't provide evidence to show that Brahma is real, where is your own evidence to show that Yahweh is real?



Jesus is fully God as you said , so that means he prayed to himself. QED.

malvisguy212:
The Bible is the most
remarkable book ever written.
About 40 men of several
countries and many
occupations did the writing.
They wrote over a period of
approximately 1500 years and
in three languages - Hebrew, Aramaic,
and Greek. Yet the Bible is an well-
organized unity with one great theme
and central figure - Jesus Christ. All of
this would be impossible unless the Bible
had one supreme Author - and it did -
the Holy Spirit of God.
A. The Age Of The Bible
The earliest portions of Scripture
date back more than 3,300 years.
However, its message has been
fresh and relevant to men of every
age and generation. Its pages are
still producing new gems of truth,
even to those who study them the
most.
B. The Demand For The Bible
It is by far the most widely circulated
book in the world. Since 1804, more
than 800 million Bibles and portions
of Scripture have been issued. These
figures are from the British and
Foreign Bible Societies alone. Every
year more than 22 million copies of
the complete Bible and New
Testament are circulated around the
globe.
The Bible has been translated more
than any other book. Each year we
see an increase in the number of
translations. The following figures
reflect this steady growth.
In 1500 A.D. it had been printed
in 14 languages.
In 1600 - about 40 languages.
In 1800 - about 72 languages.
In 1900 - about 567 languages.
In 1937 - about 1,000 languages
In 1970 - about 1500 languages.
In 1997 - to date, at least partially
translated in more than 2100
languages.
(Wycliffe Bible Translators are
currently working on an additional
1000 languages.)
3. The Uniqueness Of The Bible
(This material and more information
under this topic can be found in
Evidence Which Demands A Verdict. Josh
McDowell, pp. 16-25)
A. Unique In Its Continuity -
The Bible has an unique continuity when
you consider that...
it was written over a 1500-year period;
written over 40 generations;
written by over 40 authors from every
walk of life including kings, peasants,
philosophers, fishermen, poets,
statesmen, scholars, etc.;
written in many different places.
B. Unique In Its Survival -
1. Survival through Time -
Being written on material that
perishes, having to be copied
and recopied for hundreds of
years before the invention of
the printing press, did not
diminish its style, correctness
or existence. The Bible,
compared with other ancient
writings, has more manuscript
evidence than any 10 pieces of
classical literature combined.

malvisguy212:
you don't know anything about Hindu so you don't have to make case for their gods.
your first claimed was "proved that only one God created the universe" and not about the proof of God existence. And I say ONLY ONE God claimed to have exist before the world began.

Jesus pray does not mean God pray to himself.
1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God
and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete --
He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.
4. Christ is only one Person.
5. Things that are true of only one
nature are nonetheless true of the
Person of Christ.

The truths of Christ's two natures full
manhood and full Godhood are pretty
well understood and known by Christians. But for a right understanding
of the Incarnation we must go even
further. We must understand that the
two natures of Christ remain distinct and retain their own properties. What does this mean? Two things: (1) They do not alter one another's essential properties, and (2) neither do they mix together into a mysterious third kind of nature. So when Jesus(human nature) pray, He pray to God.

malvisguy212:
on many occasion the quran indicate Allah is praying, to whom did he pray to? I created a thread about this and they deleted it. Infacte the quran does not say Allah exist before the world was.

I need to see the claimed of the rest gods to know if they are suitable for the first caused, as in now, only the bible God made such claimed, he exist before the world began.even Jesus say he share the glory with the father before the world began.

malvisguy212:
you don't know anything about Hindu so you don't have to make case for their gods.
your first claimed was "proved that only one God created the universe" and not about the proof of God existence. And I say ONLY ONE God claimed to have exist before the world began.

Jesus pray does not mean God pray to himself.
1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God
and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete --
He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.
4. Christ is only one Person.
5. Things that are true of only one
nature are nonetheless true of the
Person of Christ.

The truths of Christ's two natures full
manhood and full Godhood are pretty
well understood and known by Christians. But for a right understanding
of the Incarnation we must go even
further. We must understand that the
two natures of Christ remain distinct and retain their own properties. What does this mean? Two things: (1) They do not alter one another's essential properties, and (2) neither do they mix together into a mysterious third kind of nature. So when Jesus(human nature) pray, He pray to God.

dalaman:


Brahma also claimed to have existed before the world began, please read a little about Hindu creation account. Brahma was in existence before the world was created afterwards by him.





What's the meaning of all this word salad. Jesus is God and he prayed to himself as a man. So Jesus prayed to himself.

mustymatic:

Surah Al-Hadid.
1. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Allah and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
2. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He is Able to do things.
3. He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things.
4. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do.
5. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and, unto Allah (all) things are brought back.
6. He causeth the night to pass into the day, and He causeth the day to pass into the night, and He is Knower of all that is in the breasts.
7. Believe in Allah and His messenger, and spend of that whereof He hath made you trustees; and such of you as believe and spend (aright), theirs will be a great reward
8. What aileth you that ye believe not in Allah, when the messenger calleth you to believe in your Lord, and He hath already made a covenant with you, if ye are believers?
9. He it is Who sendeth down clear revelations unto His slave, that He may bring you forth from darkness unto light; and lo! for you, Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful.

dalaman:


Brahma also claimed to have existed before the world began, please read a little about Hindu creation account. Brahma was in existence before the world was created afterwards by him.





What's the meaning of all this word salad. Jesus is God and he prayed to himself as a man. So Jesus prayed to himself.

Mellin:
can u just shut up? Jesus is the son of god /Jesus is also son of Man. Which do we chose?
And christ is not a being. Christ simply means message

KingEbukasBlog:


Prayer is communication and Jesus praying is submission to God's will

malvisguy212:
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Dalaman almost All the information you have about the christian God is base on your understanding of the bible,why? Because the bible explained the nature of God. And in the bible God also made a claimed which none other god made.

Mustimatic. All the quranic verses you quote does not say anything about Allah exist before the world was, Comperd with this,the claimed that allah created the earth,other deity make such claimed but none claimed to exist before time began :

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a
wisdom that has been hidden and that
God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME
BEGAN. (1 Corinthians 2:7)

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus
before the BEGINNING OF TIME(2 Timothy 1:9)

The hope of eternal life, which God...
promised before the BEGINNING OF TIME (Titus 1:2)

To the only God our Savior, through
Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty,
dominion and authority,BEFORE ALL TIME and now and forever. Amen. (Jude
1:25)

mustymatic:


Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 3:
He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing.

is it more clear now? nothing is before HIM...not only time

malvisguy212:
and I repeat,other's gods also claimed they are the first AMONG the creation BUT none claimed to exist BEFORE the world began.

dalaman:


Why do you keep repeating this LIE? I told you to read about the Hindu creation story and see how Brahma was existing before all creations. Stop repeating this lie over and over again.

malvisguy212:
I told you to bring the proof of their claimed which you couldn't.