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Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by UnknownT: 9:18am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:You wrote this, In 2011 the APC interfered in PDP choice for Presiding officers and they got served with emergence of Dogara, Saraki and Ekeremadu in 2015. However, in all fairness the APC didn't interfere in the choice of Principal officers in 2011. That your statement, in all fairness APC didn't interfere in the choice of Principal officers in 2011 made me ask cos it appears you are saying PDP interfered with what happened yesterday |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by QuotaSystem: 9:18am On Jun 26, 2015 |
gratiaeo: not that easy mate. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by NDPVF(m): 9:19am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:You see,most times i enjoy reading your posts and comments afterwards,than commenting.But let me quickly point this out. This comment i quoted,is where the APC problem started,and that is where people like me,and other Nigerians who saw afar,marked APC a "soon-to-be-expired-product",right from the day of its merger,and subsequent events that happened before,during and after they "elected" selected/imposed their party officials by one man called Tinubu. I understood the reason North maintained their silence then.It wasnt because they doesnt what Tinubu was upto then,but they kept quiet,waiting for the "-DAY".They did what is called "playing-along",and Tinubu installed almost all the party structures,and virtually determines what happens in the party,but what North wants then is "power",not party,hence,they lured Tinubu into thinking he has the party in his pocket,so that he can pull sw voters to them,to complete their number. But now,North has the power,and MUST control the party.That is why,if i use the word USE AND DUMP,i know what am talking about. The party executives/officials you are talking about,is "Tinubu,because he virtually appointed all perharps with oath of allegiance/commitment",so that he will use them in days like this. So,when you said the party ratifies the names sent to Saraki and Dogara,you are saying "Tinubu" ratifies the names. This is why the northern interests that wants to control the party now,are secretly supporting Saraki and Dogara,so as to have the party in their control. Let me ask you,are you aware that their has been a call lately for Oyegun to resign?.why havent Northern APC political elites come out to openly castigate Atiku?.Atiku?.Yes Atiku.Bombshell;Saraki and Dogara are playing a well orchestrated Atikus tape,to control APC!. 6 Likes |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Emrys16(m): 9:19am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Apc needs to work on themself |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by NDPVF(m): 9:22am On Jun 26, 2015 |
[s] Jesusloveyou:[/s]NWC=TINUBU!. Why?.He virtually made them NWC. 3 Likes |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by arabianights: 9:23am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Neduzze5: funny enough,i swear by the God who created me that you are worse than them all just view the negative words u used. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:23am On Jun 26, 2015 |
UnknownT: Oh Don't get me wrong. The poster I quoted was talking about APC's interference in PDP's nomination in 2011. So I only gave a reminder that though APC interfered in the choice for presiding officers, it never did in PDP's choice for principal officers. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Rapbender(m): 9:24am On Jun 26, 2015 |
ECOTERRORS:ur everywhere on the thread. na only u waka come |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:25am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Rom 1:28-32 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (KJV) |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:26am On Jun 26, 2015 |
NDPVF:You see my position is not even about who emerged or who doesn't. I just want the proper thing to be done. The precedent of Saraki must be checked, he has to allow his Caucus select/elect their leaders in the house or ratifying the list from the party's secretariat |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by fx45(m): 9:26am On Jun 26, 2015 |
INTROVERT:Are you a robot You seem to be on every thread... |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by mistabiola: 9:27am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista: When you see supposedly educated & enlightened youths promoting hate & insults against Saraki for placing constitution over party. Hope is lost. 1 Like |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by QuotaSystem: 9:30am On Jun 26, 2015 |
patrickmuf: He has finally seen the script, the appointments yesterday cleared his eyes in the end. Saraki and Dogara have been playing Atiku's/Yerima/Tambuwal/Core north's script from the very beginning. The southern lawmakers were used as pawns and had no clue. This is all an attempt by the North to sieze the APC from the SW and revive the PDP before also seizing it back from the SS/SE. So far they're winning. Keep your eyes peeled. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by IFELEKE(m): 9:31am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Good men live on borrowed times while sanity gravitate towards dogs! |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by joseph1832(m): 9:33am On Jun 26, 2015 |
INTROVERT:Of course he is spot on. But it is this same OP barcanista and his followers who went into orgasmic frenzy shouting and celebrating when this same persons Saraki and Dogara emerge as Senate President and Speaker. It is not today members of the NASS have been fighting, it happens all over the world, it even happen during OBJ's tenure as president during the 4th republic, might I even mention the River state assembly crises that saw Chidi Lloyd hammering away at hiss fellow honorable. My dear, these things happen, its happening because the APC and PDP law makers are thieves!. Plain and simple. 2 Likes |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by kinibigdeal(m): 9:33am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Your analysis need a simple answer. The national assembly remain an independent house which need to be separated from party politics. Saraki and dogora has done nothing wrong so far, you don't impose a candidate on the house consisting of diverse party members but mainly PDP and APC. Yes, the majority party should have most of the juicy position but the constitution of the house states that "the house will elect their leaders and not a certain godfather forwarding names to the house" please get that point barcanista! What saraki and dogora has done is beyond PDP and APC politics but to show that the National assembly remains a separate entity. If a single individual now have power over the National assembly, I think the country and even the president is not safe. The whole problem bug down to tinubu selfish interest, he has no knowledge about national politics, imposition can only be allowed in southWest and not on the whole nation. Obasanjo remain a nationalist because of is complete federal system of playing politics. Tinubu owns the vice president, the president(even though PMP said he belong to nobody), the party chairman(oyegun), party spokesman(Lai mohammed) etc when we have NPDP, CPC, ANPP e.t.c are you telling me that all of them that form the APC will now be sidelined because of a single man? Tinubu want to control the assembly by handpicking lawan/akume and gbajabiamila, how can that be? Technically you are saying the south-south and south East should be sideline, is that how to manage politics? The foundation of the crisis lies in tinubu ambition ok. Now he is fighting atiku for the position of NWC..those blaming saraki and dogora are bias based on the root cause!! |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by NDPVF(m): 9:34am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:That exactly the reason the "proper thing will be hard to be done" in this case,because of who the sarakis/dogaras of this world and the unseen hands holding them,thinks is behind the ratification of the party nominees.This is simply a game of interest!. And this is the difference between APC and PDP.No man can lay claim to PDP,but Tinubu can lay claim to APC. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by helpee(m): 9:35am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:the election is not the business of the Senate but the APC caucus in the house and from what we heard in the news an earlier election by apc caucus members produced ndume. So, it is still the same thing |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Luukasz(m): 9:36am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:PDP Symphatizers will always talk in favour of PDP...But i want you to know one thing no matter how PDP & itz Puppets opposses APC,PDP will never rule Nigeria again till Eternity. Eat it or you Spit it Out 4 Likes |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by dustydee: 9:37am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:I disagree with the bold part. The Opposition then was not in a position to determine the speaker of the house at that time going by the level of support Tambuwal and Mulikat had. Most of the PDP reps were in support of Tambuwal and even if the other ACN and CPC members had supported Mulikat, she would have still lost to Tambuwal. Also, the opposition to PDPs choice was from majority of PDP members in the first place unlike the current scenario where the Speaker and the senate president rode on the back of the opposition even though majority of their party members did not want them. 2 Likes |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:38am On Jun 26, 2015 |
joseph1832:I am not interested who emerged as principal officers, I want the right thing to be done. As for the election of Presiding officers, I supported Saraki and Dogara and will do it a thousand times provided that they are NOT the APC candidates. The Presiding officers are non partisan unlike the principal officers that are meant to be partisan. Nevertheless, the proper thing is to be done. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by viczing(m): 9:39am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista: You should also look from the sp's angle after going against your party directive the party wants to choose the other position he's scared of witch hunt having gone against the party at first, remember he has a group and this decision is not personal it must have been discussed with other politician and other senators (like minds) before he implements it so he has some backing.... you don't leave an enemy behind your back you might end up regretting. saraki made enemies with the names apc sent to him so I guess it's his fear |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:40am On Jun 26, 2015 |
The true nature of negative CHANGE is gradually being revealed 1 Like
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Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Rilwayne001: 9:44am On Jun 26, 2015 |
Compatriots who made change possible should keep the faith. The journey is not a sprint but a marathon. Let them insult you. We'll surely laugh last. |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 26, 2015 |
kinibigdeal:Bros, I don't want to be speaking for APC but some of your questions boils to that. The Leadership Position that the constitution talked of are the Senate President, Deputy Senate President, The Speaker and Deputy Speaker. The whole house irrespective of party elect these people and they preside over the house. This are not partisan positions. The positions of House leader, Deputy, Whip and Deputy are all partisan and they are usually filled by conservative members. Nevertheless, the party do nominate and the caucus in the house ratify or elect their own but every party man participate in the election. Saraki is trying to subvert this. The principal officers are not the appointees of the SP. What if we allow Saraki have his way and he decide to extend his madness to imposing minority leader and minority whip for the house? |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:45am On Jun 26, 2015 |
NDPVF:They have to manage themselves well because Nigerians are seriously affected |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by joseph1832(m): 9:48am On Jun 26, 2015 |
barcanista:Proper thing? Which proper thing? All this is happening because Saraki and Dogara occupied positions they weren't suppose to occupy!. Tell me, during the 6th and 7th senate, weren't the principal officers members of the ruling party who were very partisan about the dominance of the ruling Party PDP?. And who emerged as principal officers during that period?!. To hear you speak of non partisan insults my intelligence. It even shows you know little or nothing about politics. An elected member of either the senate, house of reps, even governor or local government chairman must be partisan to survive Nigerian politics. Even you barcanista, you're partisan. So please don't insult us eh... How HFOG and Ecoterrors na? Hope say dem never dey fight un top your mata? |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:49am On Jun 26, 2015 |
helpee:No Sir, the APC Caucus didn't elect Ndume. "Saraki zoned it to NE" and told NE APC members to get a consensus through which Ndume emerged. The whole APC caucus are meant to decide because the eventual occupant won't be leader of a particular zone but for the party caucus in the parliament |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by ERODEDEAST(f): 9:50am On Jun 26, 2015 |
All I know "Karma is a West German" |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by lunaticfringe: 9:50am On Jun 26, 2015 |
APC=A Proven Catastrophe First they scaled the NASS fence. Now they are exchanging blows. The Green House has been turned into a boxing ring. They sit for 1 hour,fight for a whole day,go on recess for two weeks,adjourn for a whole month,and at the end of the year 150 billion is gone. A bunch of shameless people. Imaging fighting until the mase went missing. Chai #OneChanceChange!!Please we need a GREEN HORNET in there ASAP... |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by Nobody: 9:52am On Jun 26, 2015 |
dustydee:The PDP guys that supported the rebellious Tambawal/Ihedioha were from the North. They had the guts to do that because the SW base of Mulikat (APC Reps) deserted her and gave support to the NE Tambawal. They took advantage of that. If APC hadn't interfered, Mulikat would have contested unopposed or floor Tambawal |
Re: APC/NASS Crises: Observation On The Major Players by eaccyboy(m): 9:52am On Jun 26, 2015 |
crisis in APC #weareglad |
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