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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by jnrbayano(m): 1:08pm On Jul 05, 2015
mikron:
u guys worship her not honour, why would a christian say Mary pray for us sinners. Why?

You cant tell me what we do and you don't deserve any argument from me.
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by nekta(m): 1:10pm On Jul 05, 2015
jnrbayano:


Take for instance,

If I have the fore-knowledge of a plot to assassinate someone on Monday en route to work (I eavesdropped on the plotters) and advised that target should either stay put at home or take another route, if he heed and thus remain alive:seriously speakin dix story is unaceptable,lemme ask u a question if acordin to jesus he said i am d truth nd d lig
ht d only way 2 ma fada nd nw u re sayin its nt rong 2 pray 2 mary if u should nw use dat job of jesus being a mediator 2 giv 2 mary wat is d role of jesus,secondly because mary carried jesus she automaticaly bcoms god?should i nw pray 2 steven who died a mrty or moses who wrk 4 God b4 he died or even david d man afta God's own heart?nd infact who told u mary died a virgin read ur bible well she gave birth to oda children nd she died as a human period quote me wrong.
I delivered him from that danger. No?
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by jnrbayano(m): 1:10pm On Jul 05, 2015
famzynet:


Joseph disvirgined Mary after birth of Jesus. For the Bible said Jesus had brothers. Unless you mean to tell me that they divorced?

Show me where they said mary gave birth again after Jesus or show me where bible listed Mary's Children
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by misreal(m): 1:12pm On Jul 05, 2015
Syncan:



Since you are tired of accusing the brethren, you may now take your advice and "go work out your salvation in fear and trembling". Don't come hear saying what you don't know about.
you are just angry for nothing my friend.I am no accuser of the brethren,I only spoke the truth.if you like,taking my advice is not by force but you must understand that after death cometh judgement..you will stand before God one day,and God help you,that you have stopped worshiping Mary because even Jesus never worshiped Mary...good luck.

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by jnrbayano(m): 1:12pm On Jul 05, 2015
mikron:
u forewarned him but did not deliver him, where is it written in the bible that Mary is forewarning or delivering us? Don't mock God. Mary is just like every other person not a demi god

Help yourself with the meaning of the word "deliver" from your dictionary.
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Syncan(m): 1:17pm On Jul 05, 2015
donefezy:

yes man, the Bible made mention of what Jesus prayed about [ Matthew 26: 39 & 42 ] indicating that he prayed about samething 3 different times but didnt do recitation

Hahaha, stop that deceit mr. This is all that the bible told us Jesus prayed "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Matt.26:39. To avoid any doubt about this, the bible repeated this prayer again in Vs 42, yet the bible in verse 40 tells us he must have spent more than one hour praying on the first occasion. So did the bible say he said the prayer once through out the one hour period in each occasion? And then for a third time he went back "Saying same thing", what same thing?
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by 400billionman: 1:17pm On Jul 05, 2015
jnrbayano:


Take for instance,

If I have the fore-knowledge of a plot to assassinate someone on Monday en route to work (I eavesdropped on the plotters) and advised that target should either stay put at home or take another route, if he heed and thus remain alive:

I delivered him from that danger. No?

So you are explaining how Mary delivers you?

Hahaha. Support this from the bible. Then will I listen

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by mazerunner(m): 1:18pm On Jul 05, 2015
Look am not hia 2 tlk much bt let me mk smtins clear. Sm of us reasn lk fools, n it is wit dis reasning pattern wit wch dey approach d bible tel me y won't dey undstnd wrongly. wt Jesus meant ws dt its better 2 honour sm1 based of spiritual values wch He termed "hearing d word n keepn it" dan 2 honour dt persn by biological or natural phenomenon. 4 those wo said Mary is dead n so many oda stupid and hollow-filled statements..wt I hv 4 u is dt u cnt undstnd wt d catholic church does until u undstnd signs n symbols..go n ask God y He tld moses 2 mold a bronz snake n hang it on a pole dt wo eva looks at it wl b saved..ws dt nt idolatry? Dt ws symbolic, I represents Jesus on d cross dt wo eva looks at d cross wl b saved..I wl stop hia..
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by mikron(m): 1:18pm On Jul 05, 2015
jnrbayano:


You cant tell me what we do and you don't deserve any argument from me.
stop bowing down to images of mary u people call grotto, the bible forbids anybody bowing down to any kind of graven image. angry
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by donefezy: 1:19pm On Jul 05, 2015
it still baffles me when i see people worshiping a statue, have people forgotten the things that was written in the old testerments ?
Even if you've all forgotten what about the 10 commandments?

The 1st of all of them
Exodus 20:3 & 4
3.You must not have any other gods besides
me.
4. “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form
like anything that is in the heavens
above or on the earth below or in the
waters under the earth.

Please don't be deceive or let me say don't say because my parents brought me up in this church means thats where i will worship. Why not study the Bible yourself and compare it with what was taught by your church leaders. Thats how you will know the truth.
Lastly remember Jesus warning about false prophet that will go around decieving many
[Matthew 7:22-23]
22.Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name,
and expel demons in your name, and
perform many powerful works in your
name? 23. And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away
from me, you workers of
lawlessness!’
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Jaywilzee(m): 1:20pm On Jul 05, 2015
misreal:
no matter how hard you fight the truth,you can never stop it from being truthful.you come here defending your church and her doctrines instead of working out your salvation with fear and tremble,because when a man stands before God on that great day,"my rev father lied"or"the pope lied" will not be an excuse oh.....let those that have ears hear what the spirit is saying..
. And your pastor is all righteous and holy abi?? Let us(catholic) worry about our judgement,,,
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by brize(m): 1:21pm On Jul 05, 2015
Nweike1:
A question I have for catholics is this: If you don't honour Mary, does that mean you won't make heaven or Jesus Christ will not answer your prayers?
if we don't honour Mary we will still go to heaven(remember that heaven is to the pure in heart. Even heathens can go to heaven)... But remember that even if you don't greet your mother after eating a meal it won't stop them from giving you food next time and you will always greet because it's a honour and a tradition too.... We as Catholics don't make our prayers through Mary.... All our prayers is make through christ our lord, (we only ask Mary to help in interceding for us to God and that's all) and surely he answers us.

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Chanteh(f): 1:22pm On Jul 05, 2015
[quote author=Tallesty1 post=35507515]I honor but I don't worship her like others.


BTW, I am not protesting anything, I am catholic[/quot
e]

Good for you. Catholics don't worship Mary. Remind yourself of that
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by clefstone(m): 1:22pm On Jul 05, 2015
An2elect2:
Catholics worship a certain Mary not the Mary of the bible of course because if she were here she will rebuke them totally.

When i was a catholic, a priest tried explaining that passage to mean some kind of special blessing accrued to Mary. And He said something like "blessed are those who hear the word and keep it LIKE MARY"
I almost believed Him but i knew something was wrong with his interpretation. Jesus didn't say LIKE MARY. Where did he get that from? i thought! And how Jesus swiftly responded to the woman's words, bothered me,but all these things did not deter me from continuing with catholicism until God opened my eyes and pulled me out...I prolly would have still been a catholic.
well, for starters, Mary herself said 'all generation shall call me blessed'(Luke 1:48). Therefore, it wasn't a wrong act by that woman to call her blessed.
Now, why did Jesus rebuke the woman for calling his mother blessed? Because he knew the woman called Mary blessed for the simple reason of her being his mother(compare with the passage where Christ rebuked the rich young man for calling him 'good'). However, Mary is not blessed just for that reason, but for the fact that she obeyed God's will. Read that passage again and understand.
@poster, this very passage is read in the catholic church during the year(daily mass reading), so don't think you are calling to the church's attention something she chose to ignore.
@ italo and syncan you guys rock
Cc honourhim
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Syncan(m): 1:23pm On Jul 05, 2015
misreal:
you are just angry for nothing my friend.I am no accuser of the brethren,I only spoke the truth.if you like,taking my advice is not by force but you must understand that after death cometh judgement..you will stand before God one day,and God help you,that you have stopped worshiping Mary because even Jesus never worshiped Mary...good luck.


Hahahaha, he speaks the truth....Oga the church has been teaching the truth from the time of the Apostles till now, her children were martyred for the truth, the Church will continue to teach the truth till her bridegroom comes Rev 19:7-9. I will listen to the Church, the "Pillar and ground of truth", not you.
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by johnnyblakes(m): 1:24pm On Jul 05, 2015
jnrbayano:


Who disvirgined her.

You?
pls mary didn't die a virgin,she had three other sons for joseph according to the bible,these three sons were the half brothers of jesus,their names r james simon and jude mind u these were not the disciples of jesus.read matt 12 vs 46,13 vs 55,mark 6 vs3,john 2vs 12, 7vs 3-10,acts 1vs14,1cor 9vs5 and gal 1vs19.may the holy spirit guide u

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by misreal(m): 1:25pm On Jul 05, 2015
Jaywilzee:
. And your pastor is all righteous and holy abi?? Let us(catholic) worry about our judgement,,,
my pastor.hahaha...Lil...that is what your priest is using to deceive you..Lil..he tells you that we worship our pastors....Lol....for your info,I am a pastor and nobody worships me..in terms of holiness,I am holy because the holy ghost lives inside of me...please my friend,now that you have the chance, search for the truth yourself you that you don't get to regret in eternity...

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by bossofallboss(m): 1:28pm On Jul 05, 2015
[quote author=An2elect2 post=35240977]Catholics worship a certain Mary not the Mary of the bible of course because if she were here she will rebuke them totally.

Wat ar u say.....certain mary not mary of d bible?...wich mary den
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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Jaywilzee(m): 1:31pm On Jul 05, 2015
misreal:
my pastor.hahaha...Lil...that is what your priest is using to deceive you..Lil..he tells you that we worship our pastors....Lol....for your info,I am a pastor and nobody worships me..in terms of holiness,I am holy because the holy ghost lives inside of me...please my friend,now that you have the chance, search for the truth yourself you that you don't get to regret in eternity...
thanks once again...let me worry about dat ,,,after all na my soul na.....see u in heaven
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Syncan(m): 1:32pm On Jul 05, 2015
eyenibibio:

The traditions Paul talked abt was the good example the Apostles set and the bible was not compiled then. Let me hear that the Catholic church was spreading what when they were busy burning and torturing people that tried to have a bible.

Oh, there was a time the bible wasn't compiled yet, tell me about it, when was it compiled and by who?
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by misreal(m): 1:33pm On Jul 05, 2015
Syncan:



Hahahaha, he speaks the truth....Oga the church has been teaching the truth from the time of the Apostles till now, her children were martyred for the truth, the Church will continue to teach the truth till her bridegroom comes Rev 19:7-9. I will listen to the Church, the "Pillar and ground of truth", not you.
but when the church begins to speak error,what do you do.my friend,please seek God yourself and let him reveal to you what the truth is,himself.I can promise you that he will do it,because I have seen him do it a lot of times.I think you won't seek God to know the truth because you love your comfort zone and wouldn't want anything to shift your thought..I am an example of men who sought the truth before it was revealed,I did this because they were so many lies going on in the church..only the fact that I will have NP one to blame if I go to hell made me seek the truth..seek the truth today my dear friend,if God speaks to you and say where you are is good.then fine stay there..

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by misreal(m): 1:35pm On Jul 05, 2015
Jaywilzee:
thanks once again...let me worry about dat ,,,after all na my soul na.....see u in heaven
sorry sir,I just can't watch you damn yourself like that.I will keep warning and praying for you..cheers..

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by donefezy: 1:35pm On Jul 05, 2015
Syncan:


Hahaha, stop that deceit mr. This is all that the bible told us Jesus prayed "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Matt.26:39. To avoid any doubt about this, the bible repeated this prayer again in Vs 42, yet the bible in verse 40 tells us he must have spent more than one hour praying on the first occasion. So did the bible say he said the prayer once through out the one hour period in each occasion? And then for a third time he went back "Saying same thing", what same thing?
if i may ask the words on verse 39 and 42 did they look alike? The answer is No. So thats not a recitation. Or you don't know the meaning of the word RECITATION ?
Anyway, i aint quoting you again, am only pointing at somethin and i don't like arguing the Bible.Regards
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by BigBen10: 1:35pm On Jul 05, 2015
johnw74:


The rcc rosary is saying the hail mary 10 times followed by the our Father
then another 10 hail marys followed by .... and so on.

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Christians pray directly to Father God.



No one is more guilty of vain repetitions like our protestant brothers with all the so called skabash(reference to the word VAIN) and hanging on to one prayer point for minutes.
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by SSPX(m): 1:36pm On Jul 05, 2015
The grace that we catholics receive is the grace of intercesion which you protesting don't get
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Greatfes17: 1:38pm On Jul 05, 2015
The Hebrew Language used to write the bible is similar to Igbo Language where you have no single word for cousin snd the like. Msry never had any other child else from Jesus.
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Jaywilzee(m): 1:39pm On Jul 05, 2015
misreal:
sorry sir,I just can't watch you damn yourself like that.I will keep warning and praying for you..cheers..
u don't know God's judgement......
Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by Syncan(m): 1:40pm On Jul 05, 2015
misreal:
but when the church begins to speak error,what do you do.my friend,please seek God yourself and let him reveal to you what the truth is,himself.I can promise you that he will do it,because I have seen him do it a lot of times.I think you won't seek God to know the truth because you love your comfort zone and wouldn't want anything to shift your thought..I am an example of men who sought the truth before it was revealed,I did this because they were so many lies going on in the church..only the fact that I will have NP one to blame if I go to hell made me seek the truth..seek the truth today my dear friend,if God speaks to you and say where you are is good.then fine stay there..


You see your life? You don't even believe Jesus nor the bible you take as your sole authority.

Jesus said. "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Matt.16:18

Again Jesus said to the church " ...Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matt 28:20


Again the Bible said "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1Tim.3:15

And you say the church will teach error? And you will not. I disagree, let me go with scripture please.

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by naija4all(m): 1:40pm On Jul 05, 2015
An2elect2:
Catholics worship a certain Mary not the Mary of the bible of course because if she were here she will rebuke them totally.

When i was a catholic, a priest tried explaining that passage to mean some kind of special blessing accrued to Mary. And He said something like "blessed are those who hear the word and keep it LIKE MARY"
I almost believed Him but i knew something was wrong with his interpretation. Jesus didn't say LIKE MARY. Where did he get that from? i thought! And how Jesus swiftly responded to the woman's words, bothered me,but all these things did not deter me from continuing with catholicism until God opened my eyes and pulled me out...I prolly would have still been a catholic.
you got me laughing with your post, go read the gospel of luke 1, verse 46 - 55. So even if you or others refuse to call her blessed....generations after generations would call her blessed. And I know what your next post would be is that now u have seen the light in your new found church and its teachings. The problem has never been the Catholic teaching but with church goers and not worshippers. Btw, were u a member of any society in the the Catholic Church which enhanced your faith and prayer life?

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Re: How Jesus Reacted To The Worship Of Mary by SalC: 1:41pm On Jul 05, 2015
Justiyke4u:
sir, please don't be confused with semantics and am sure that your study has not also led you to this passage below Matt 13:55
Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? [56] And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?" [57] So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house...

Then speaking about not referring specifically to the bible is there any other book that has the account of Jesus that Christians believe in other than the bible? If there is please am willing to learn
You can't be sure I haven't read that passage, but it proves nothing in the face of other scriptural verses

And as for what Christians believe or should believe, I choose to head to the scripture which admonishes us to believe the written scriptures and oral tradition 2Thess 2:15

eyenibibio:

You can have a field day with disagreeing with what the Scriptures say. Since I quoted you, ive not said one word out of my originality. . . .I just quoted the scriptures & you said you disagree.
I disagree based on scripture, so am not disagreeing with scripture but your conviction of that scripture.

Well this here is for you two

................
The popular scripture being used by many to prove that Mary the mother of Jesus had other children is Matt 13:55

Isn't he the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother Mary? And aren't James, Joseph, Simon and Judas his brothers?

Now comparing the above scriptural verse to others will show just how weak such assumption is.

Now let's slowly consider some scriptural passages

Matt 27:55-56 There were many women there looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galille and helped him, Among them where Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph and the wife of Zebedee.

From the passage above, we can deduce that there was a "Mary" who was with Mary Magdalene during the agony of Christ and this Mary is the mother of James and Joseph
Notice also that this happened after the crucifixtion of Jesus, infact when the writer put this forth, Jesus was already dead in v50. This shows that these women were somewhere around the site of the crucifixtion of Christ.

Again Mark in his narration of thesame incidence has this to say

Mark 15:40-41 Some women were there looking on from a distance, among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of the younger James and of Joseph and Salome. They followed Jesus while he was in Galille and had helped him. Many other women who had come to Jerusalem with him were also there.

Here we see Mark narrating thesame story but he gives us a clearer view of whom these women are. Notice that there is still this "MARY" who is with Mary Magdalene and she is the mother of "the younger James and of Joseph"
This brings us to the question,"who is being referred to as the younger James"? (we will come to this later)

In Mark 16:1 Here we see Mark narrating the resurrection incidence yet thesame Mary the mother of James is still with Mary Magdalene
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome had brought sweet spices that they might come and anoint him.

In the last three scriptural verses provided, there was only one Mary who has been with Mary Magdalene and she is. [b]Mary the mother of James and Joseph


One may feel like arguing that this Mary the Mother of the younger James and Joseph is thesame as Mary the mother of Jesus, but if this Mary has always been with Mary Magdalene and so far no gospel writer deemed it fit to refer to her as the mother of Jesus, the next verse raises a serious question.

John 19:25 Standing close to Jesus' cross were his MOTHER, his mother's sister Mary the wife of cleopas and Mary Magdalene.

Interesting Jesus' mother (Mary) was mentioned, we suddenly had three Mary(s) instead of the usual two

Here we have three different people named Mary. One is the mother of Jesus, the other is Mary the wife of cleopas and the last is Mary Magdalene. Let's not forget that there has always been a "Mary" who was with Mary Magdalene. Matt 27:56 refer to her as the mother of James and Joseph Matt 28:1 referred to her as the other Mary Matt 27:61 referred to her as the other Mary, Mark 15:40 called her Mary the mother of the younger James and Joseph, Mark 16:1 called her Mary the mother of James
But none thought it wise to call her the mother of Jesus.

To avoid drawing a hasty conclusion, let's find out who is the younger James

Among the twelve apostles of Jesus, there were two people named "James" One is the son of Zebedee and the other is the son of Alpheus Mark 3:16-19, notably these two James have most times been distinguished as James the greater (son of Zebedee) and james the less or the younger (son of Alpheus)

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James, son of Zebedee (Hebrew: יַעֲקֹב Yaʿqob, Greek: Ἰάκωβος; died 44 AD) was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, and traditionally considered the first apostle to be martyred. He was a son of Zebedee and Salome, and brother of John the Apostle. He is also called James the Greater or James the Great to distinguish him from James, son of Alphaeus
Source: wikipedia

From the above, we see that referring to him as James the less or the younger was merely to distinguish him from the greater James (son of Zebedee) and also this James the less is the son of Alpheus.

And this brings us to the question "who is Alpheus?"

Alphaeus is traditionally identified with Clopas, based on the identification from parallel Gospel accounts of Mary, the mother of James the third woman with Mary Magdalene and Salome wife of Zebedee beside the cross in Matthew with Mary, the wife of Clopas, the third woman in John's account.

The Catholic Encyclopedia suggests that etymologically, the names Clopas and Alphaeus are different, but that they could still be the same person. Other sources propose that Alphaeus, Clophas and Cleophas are variant attempts to render the Aramaic H in Aramaic Hilfai into Greek as aspirated, or K
Source: wikipedia

Now that we know that Alpheus is same Cleopas of John 19:25, the husband of the other Mary who is the sister of Jesus' mother Mary and the mother of James and Joseph who Matt 13:55 called his brothers. We can now see why it is ideal to called them his "Adelphos" which could mean brothers, cousins, kinsmen etc but never where they referred to as the sons of Mary the mother of Jesus. And before you start wondering how I arrived at James the brother of Jesus being one of the twelve apostles please read Gal 1:19.

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