PAGAN9JA:


Yet India is a staunchly Hindu Country.

Why? because the Government, Healthcare, businesses etx.. is all run by Hindus!

You're ignorant.

See the number of Catholic healthcare institutions in India below: 1826, as at 2011.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_India

I'm not competing with you for who has the most followers in india...or who runs governments and businesses.

I was showing some earlier debaters that the Catholic Church does the most charity in the world

Muslim is the prblm the wrld is hvin


The Mst dangerous religion.

They kill Evn if u paint,draw or say against d fake Mohammed.

Y do Dey kill rather than let their Mohammed punish the doers? Cuz they knw Wat they blv in is Nt real So it cnt act.

The are looking for members,they forcing, raping innocent chibok gels.

They are causing havoc in the wrld.

It is too obvious that Muslim was Neva a Gud religion.

An average islam goes around wit knife,ask aboki. They don't blv that Wat Dey blv in cn protect dem.Cuz Dey knw Wat they blv in is Nt real.


They cover their gels wit dark clothes on deir head,what kind of religion will over a lady,if covering of head wit dark clothes Mean good,girls shuld Hv bin born wit it.

Those dark clothes Mke dem commit evil wen Dey cum to east to skul,Lik sex,prostitution. Why Cuz the Hv been living a fake life.


A religion that stop people in their area from selling beer,but they in turn work in brewery.

Islam was Neva good.

All the terrorist group are all Muslims.

We all knw the true religion

italo:


You interpret those statements differently from the way the Catholic Church interpretes them, according to the official teaching of the Church in its Catechism. Read below:[b]

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
[/b]

Would you now humbly agree that you spoke out of ignorance?

Or will you keeping trying to discredit the Catholic Church based on your erroneous understanding of its teachings?




False. Nowhere does the Church teach or encourage Catholics to fear death or the afterlife. Infact, we are taught to embrace death (when it comes) as a door to eternal life. No one controls our minds or coerces us. The Church proposes the way to all men...it is each person's choice to accept or reject it.

You continue to speak in ignorance.


Catholicism is based on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.


False. That a statement is not literal doesn't mean it is untrue.

I see that all this antagonistic venom against the Church stems from ignorance.



False. The Pope existed and was infallible before the New Testament was ever written. Infact, it was under the infallible Pope Damasus that the complete Bible was compiled.

Let me advise you. Take a deep breath...humble yourself...then study these things through with a neutral mindset...then, your mind will be illuminated.

Igborance is like living in darkness.

Man what a nice and excellent defence of the Catholic faith. Pls can we hook up?

anonimi:


Which God- the one brought by the white man (the west pushes homosexuality and now atheism / secularism!) or the one of our ancestors that the white man labelled Idol


I hope you can reflect deeply on the quote below from Acts 17 when Paul preached in Athens, Greece.

The one true God, Creator of the Universe, whose only begotten son died for our sins. This God is not European, for the gospel was brought to Europe from the Middle East. Egypt was Christian long before Western Europe.

@ italo, you are a good example of what the OP was talking about! I am a practicing Christian but I kick against man made dogma. Even Saint Paul talked about the doctrines of man.
Because you are a Catholic, does that mean that you will turn a blind eye to the excesses of the Church, and pass it off as individual errors? Even Pope John Paul apologised to the world, the jews, gypsies, moriscos for their persecution by the Catholic Church in 2000,during the Jubilee service. Abi you want to deny it? Google is there for all.
As for Science, I pity you and other brain washed Africans who believe the bullshit taught in school. I learnt the philosophy of Science at the University and everything was about the Greeks, and little about the Egyptians.
Was is it the Catholic church that built the libraries of Timbuktu and Alexandria ? When the Sumerians invented the wheels and alphabeths, Abraham was not even born! When the Mayans were cauterising wounds and carrying out bone transplant and other advanced surgical operations, the Early Church were hiding in the Catacombs of Rome. Perhaps, you have not heard of the Dogon civilization of Mali . They predicted astronomical phenomena and did calculations with pin point accuracy, years before Galileo was born! Na the Church teach the Babylonians about the rings of Saturn, thousands of years before the telescope was invented? There is over a million year old nuclear rector in Africa, who built it?
The Church has always kicked against scientific discoveries that exposed the fallacies of several doctrines of man . Why did fight against Galileo and Copernicus when the book of Job said that God is sitting on the circle of the earth and that He hang the earth on nothing? Blood circulation is in the Bible but did the Church support Harvey? NO!
We are told that Hippocrates is the Father of medicine, but, his ideas were based on the teaching and research of Imhotep, an Egyptian priest! Has the Church ever come out to correct that error since there are veritable records in the Vatican archives? How can a dirty Idol worshiping Black man be named the Father of Modern Medicine? Impossible! Rather, his name was further blackened in the movie trilogy, "The Mummy", as a flesh eating priest! They were more concerned with the Da Vinci code!
The Arabs have been enslaving blacks for centuries, but the Catholic Church perfected the act of modern slaves trade. It was a Catholic priest, who suggested that Africans should be brought to the New World ( North America and the Carribeans) because the natives were been exterminated! Wikipaedia is your friend. History is full of the excesses of the Church since the days that the Florentine State Secretary, Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his master piece, the Prince, which he modelled on Cesare Borgia, the son of a supposedly celibate Pope!
I don't want to talk about the events around the collaboration with the Nazis and the Mussolini gang during WWII. It is an open secret. Pope John Paul has said it all. Perhaps, you have not read the recent Wiki leaks about the Saudi Government 's cables to the Vatican about the Syrian Govt, with regards to ISIS!
When the Archbishop of Canterbury decided on ordaining gay priests, the Nigerian Anglican Prelate rallied the Church worldwide and stoop up against him! What happened when the butler to the last Pope was jailed for released documents showing massive frauds, nepotism and contract racketeering among top Cardinals in the Vatican, did the Nigerian arm of the Catholic Church say a word? Nope! They were more interested in tearing down CAN because Cardinal Onaiyekan lost the Presidential elections. He simply lost because the Nigerian Christian house is tired of his pro - Northern establishment stance and continued ass licking of the Sultan in the face of continued massacre of Christians in the North! He just could not stop talking about his time with Sir Ahmadu Bello, fiddling while Borno was on fire!
Juvenal once rightly quipped "it was fear that first created the gods". We have stopped reading and that is the reason why the African people is backward! If not, How can an educated man believe that killing a fellow human is a short cut to Paradise, or donating all your financial resources to the Church will invoke God's blessings, when the person in question, is corrupt?
Until the day that the African people, and Nigerians in particular, really sit up and search the Scriptures or other Holy books, and compare it to what they are told, we will never be free intellectually!

urheme:

I love this guy

Well grounded in his faith, your confident and composure make me wanna be a catholic but am not convinced.

I still detaste religion as it is now.

Thank you. What do you detest about religion?

* I'm not keen on you becoming Catholic...would just like to share your perspective.

chibecanglobal:
Yet the inquisition was used to suppress reason.

Which inquisition? There were many.

You're not aware of that, right? Just spewing anything you can latch on...

tevinsolt:


Oh yes and Zeus will visit Greece in the nearest future to save them from their economic depression.
can't wait.

this got me laughing.... ...Hercules probably...

adsonstone:


From all your stories of good by the roman catholic church comes this;

"The Methodist Church, among other Christian denominations, was responsible for the establishment of hospitals, universities, orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools to follow Jesus's command to spread the Good
News and serve all people."

Now who is 'shamelessly' trying to take someone else's glory?

....or maybe these ones too are roman catholics....

My point in all these 'good deeds' is that many other bodies do them...even non christian bodies, so you need not ascribe it all to roman catholicism.

So, would you be honest enough to list some evils just as you have listed some good?

Or do you want to keep embracing hypocrisy in public?

Sometimes, you disappoint me with the way you reason. Did I ever try to imply or say that only the Catholic Church does good things?

What I'm doing is to list the good things the Catholic Church has done. When you read that page, it is obvious that the vast majority of the things there were referring to the Catholic Church. Many of the things there even predate all those christian congregations you mentioned.

adsonstone:


...but your post reveals you know them...

Anyway, I'll gladly wait for you to get some rest and think about the evils and post them at your convenient time.

After you post the evils, then I can post the good Deeper life has done.

While I'm also waiting for you to post the evils...and deeper life deeds.

italo:


You're ignorant.

See the number of Catholic healthcare institutions in India below: 1826, as at 2011.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_India

I'm not competing with you for who has the most followers in india...or who runs governments and businesses.

I was showing some earlier debaters that the Catholic Church does the most charity in the world

charity after looting their country of resources and industry. go type " Shashi Tharoor speech in British House of commons. "


Nonsense. The worlds wealthiest nation at one point of time in history requires no charity from bunch of brainwashing doublecrossing thieves.

marcondo13:
@ italo, you are a good example of what the OP was talking about! I am a practicing Christian but I kick against man made dogma. Even Saint Paul talked about the doctrines of man.
Because you are a Catholic, does that mean that you will turn a blind eye to the excesses of the Church, and pass it off as individual errors? Even Pope John Paul apologised to the world, the jews, gypsies, moriscos for their persecution by the Catholic Church in 2000,during the Jubilee service. Abi you want to deny it? Google is there for all.
As for Science, I pity you and other brain washed Africans who believe the bullshit taught in school. I learnt the philosophy of Science at the University and everything was about the Greeks, and little about the Egyptians.
Was is it the Catholic church that built the libraries of Timbuktu and Alexandria ? When the Sumerians invented the wheels and alphabeths, Abraham was not even born! When the Mayans were cauterising wounds and carrying out bone transplant and other advanced surgical operations, the Early Church were hiding in the Catacombs of Rome. Perhaps, you have not heard of the Dogon civilization of Mali . They predicted astronomical phenomena and did calculations with pin point accuracy, years before Galileo was born! Na the Church teach the Babylonians about the rings of Saturn, thousands of years before the telescope was invented? There is over a million year old nuclear rector in Africa, who built it?
The Church has always kicked against scientific discoveries that exposed the fallacies of several doctrines of man . Why did fight against Galileo and Copernicus when the book of Job said that God is sitting on the circle of the earth and that He hang the earth on nothing? Blood circulation is in the Bible but did the Church support Harvey? NO!
We are told that Hippocrates is the Father of medicine, but, his ideas were based on the teaching and research of Imhotep, an Egyptian priest! Has the Church ever come out to correct that error since there are veritable records in the Vatican archives? How can a dirty Idol worshiping Black man be named the Father of Modern Medicine? Impossible! Rather, his name was further blackened in the movie trilogy, "The Mummy", as a flesh eating priest! They were more concerned with the Da Vinci code!
The Arabs have been enslaving blacks for centuries, but the Catholic Church perfected the act of modern slaves trade. It was a Catholic priest, who suggested that Africans should be brought to the New World ( North America and the Carribeans) because the natives were been exterminated! Wikipaedia is your friend. History is full of the excesses of the Church since the days that the Florentine State Secretary, Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his master piece, the Prince, which he modelled on Cesare Borgia, the son of a supposedly celibate Pope!
I don't want to talk about the events around the collaboration with the Nazis and the Mussolini gang during WWII. It is an open secret. Pope John Paul has said it all. Perhaps, you have not read the recent Wiki leaks about the Saudi Government 's cables to the Vatican about the Syrian Govt, with regards to ISIS!
When the Archbishop of Canterbury decided on ordaining gay priests, the Nigerian Anglican Prelate rallied the Church worldwide and stoop up against him! What happened when the butler to the last Pope was jailed for released documents showing massive frauds, nepotism and contract racketeering among top Cardinals in the Vatican, did the Nigerian arm of the Catholic Church say a word? Nope! They were more interested in tearing down CAN because Cardinal Onaiyekan lost the Presidential elections. He simply lost because the Nigerian Christian house is tired of his pro - Northern establishment stance and continued ass licking of the Sultan in the face of continued massacre of Christians in the North! He just could not stop talking about his time with Sir Ahmadu Bello, fiddling while Borno was on fire!
Juvenal once rightly quipped "it was fear that first created the gods". We have stopped reading and that is the reason why the African people is backward! If not, How can an educated man believe that killing a fellow human is a short cut to Paradise, or donating all your financial resources to the Church will invoke God's blessings, when the person in question, is corrupt?
Until the day that the African people, and Nigerians in particular, really sit up and search the Scriptures or other Holy books, and compare it to what they are told, we will never be free intellectually!

www.nairaland.com/2474302/most-committed-atheists-once-chtistians

italo:


Which inquisition? There were many.

You're not aware of that, right? Just spewing anything you can latch on...

bloody hell! The Spanish Inquistion!

tevinsolt:


Oh yes and Zeus will visit Greece in the nearest future to save them from their economic depression.
can't wait.

Zeus is in everything.

Very soon that will happen too.

Greece shall embrace her roots. they are already doing so.

@italo, I beg you in the name of all that is Holy, just stop!

Twas hard reading the second page with all your spans there.....most of the things you claimed were stopped by the Catholic church were in fact stopped by Presbyterian and Methodist churches andd pray tell, what was 'evil' about Polygamy? So, all the men with one wife who now cheat on their wives are better than polygamists?

You already sound brain-washed with all your "the Catholic church has only done good to the world" preaching. The church has told you all they want you to know, but nobody will ever tell you the bad they've done. After all, if you write your CV, will you add that you took bribes in your former work place on it?

I'm also Catholic, and I defend the Catholic church most times, but even I know the hypocrisy that lies in that church and it is sickening.

@op
Much as I partially subscribe to your idea of "criticizing religions" (though, to me, I see it more as an in-depth analysis), your position that all religions are invalid and that the tacit implication that we should all be atheists puts a taint on your position. Fact is, much as I have seen how much damage has been created in modern society in the name of religion, I can't ask anyone to abandon religion as a route to development and mental improvement. Let's face it, religion has had it's fair share of positive contributions to world peace and development.

However, I do support a critical analysis of religion by everyone who chooses to adhere to one; if not for anything, then to make it much more difficult for religious charlatans to bamboozle them with false theories whose only end is to line private pockets or use gullible people as their willing but unwilling slaves.

Unfortunately, the very same religious charlatans have used fear to create a godlike image of themselves and put themselves beyond examination. Touch not my anointed and all that. I have always said that critical analysis of religion can only produce two outcomes: a strengthening of faith when your analysis exposes further truths in religion and shines a light on existing falsehoods or a change of faith when there's a personal realization of a religion's inconsistencies.

Admittedly, a lot of religious dogmas are human constructs but therein lies the possible solution that a critical analysis would provide: recognize the charlatan and rejects his attempts to hoodwink you. Not wholesale dumping the religion because of a bad egg or two. That would amount to tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Religion is the greatest dummy ever sold to black Africa.

Relgion is killing us here because majority of Africans lack critical thinking ability, they have been told that the only way out of their poverty is not to kick against corruption, but to be very religious and somehow a God will appear and lift them out of poverty. Africa is in trouble, we need more write ups like this. Very soon you will see tithe collecting pastors and their gullible followers flood this thread to do damage control

marcondo13:
@ italo, you are a good example of what the OP was talking about! I am a practicing Christian but I kick against man made dogma. Even Saint Paul talked about the doctrines of man.
Because you are a Catholic, does that mean that you will turn a blind eye to the excesses of the Church, and pass it off as individual errors? Even Pope John Paul apologised to the world, the jews, gypsies, moriscos for their persecution by the Catholic Church in 2000,during the Jubilee service. Abi you want to deny it? Google is there for all.
As for Science, I pity you and other brain washed Africans who believe the bullshit taught in school. I learnt the philosophy of Science at the University and everything was about the Greeks, and little about the Egyptians.
Was is it the Catholic church that built the libraries of Timbuktu and Alexandria ? When the Sumerians invented the wheels and alphabeths, Abraham was not even born! When the Mayans were cauterising wounds and carrying out bone transplant and other advanced surgical operations, the Early Church were hiding in the Catacombs of Rome. Perhaps, you have not heard of the Dogon civilization of Mali . They predicted astronomical phenomena and did calculations with pin point accuracy, years before Galileo was born! Na the Church teach the Babylonians about the rings of Saturn, thousands of years before the telescope was invented? There is over a million year old nuclear rector in Africa, who built it?
The Church has always kicked against scientific discoveries that exposed the fallacies of several doctrines of man . Why did fight against Galileo and Copernicus when the book of Job said that God is sitting on the circle of the earth and that He hang the earth on nothing? Blood circulation is in the Bible but did the Church support Harvey? NO!
We are told that Hippocrates is the Father of medicine, but, his ideas were based on the teaching and research of Imhotep, an Egyptian priest! Has the Church ever come out to correct that error since there are veritable records in the Vatican archives? How can a dirty Idol worshiping Black man be named the Father of Modern Medicine? Impossible! Rather, his name was further blackened in the movie trilogy, "The Mummy", as a flesh eating priest! They were more concerned with the Da Vinci code!
The Arabs have been enslaving blacks for centuries, but the Catholic Church perfected the act of modern slaves trade. It was a Catholic priest, who suggested that Africans should be brought to the New World ( North America and the Carribeans) because the natives were been exterminated! Wikipaedia is your friend. History is full of the excesses of the Church since the days that the Florentine State Secretary, Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his master piece, the Prince, which he modelled on Cesare Borgia, the son of a supposedly celibate Pope!
I don't want to talk about the events around the collaboration with the Nazis and the Mussolini gang during WWII. It is an open secret. Pope John Paul has said it all. Perhaps, you have not read the recent Wiki leaks about the Saudi Government 's cables to the Vatican about the Syrian Govt, with regards to ISIS!
When the Archbishop of Canterbury decided on ordaining gay priests, the Nigerian Anglican Prelate rallied the Church worldwide and stoop up against him! What happened when the butler to the last Pope was jailed for released documents showing massive frauds, nepotism and contract racketeering among top Cardinals in the Vatican, did the Nigerian arm of the Catholic Church say a word? Nope! They were more interested in tearing down CAN because Cardinal Onaiyekan lost the Presidential elections. He simply lost because the Nigerian Christian house is tired of his pro - Northern establishment stance and continued ass licking of the Sultan in the face of continued massacre of Christians in the North! He just could not stop talking about his time with Sir Ahmadu Bello, fiddling while Borno was on fire!
Juvenal once rightly quipped "it was fear that first created the gods". We have stopped reading and that is the reason why the African people is backward! If not, How can an educated man believe that killing a fellow human is a short cut to Paradise, or donating all your financial resources to the Church will invoke God's blessings, when the person in question, is corrupt?
Until the day that the African people, and Nigerians in particular, really sit up and search the Scriptures or other Holy books, and compare it to what they are told, we will never be free intellectually!

oya,.Chief Defence Secretary of the Catholic church,.come and answer.

If the church had not gone on a killing and maiming spree against early Scientists who disputed some of their teachings, there would be no illuminati cult today.

The Catholic church did not support early scientific discoveries and were even enraged that someone would suggest God didn't really create the earth via Adam and Eve, we who read, know how they jailed those early scientists and tortured them to retract the theory of the big bang, now italo is telling us the church 'supported' science and was even responsible for it.

That is what the West will tell you, Egypt brought civilization, not the Catholic church under the charge of white people. How very convenient that you'd indirectly support that civilization started from Rome, the white man's land, instead of Egypt, the black man's land. Guy, better wise up

This argument was supposed to be about religion in general. And when italo started off with his points, I expected him to address Christianity as a whole. Instead, he still unleashed the same attitude most, if not all catholics have that I always find annoying. Catholics never fail to disappoint with their attitude of 'Catholic till I die'. To them, every other christian is wrong. They see nothing good in other denominations. Theirs is the best!

azimibraun:
The much I know is that modern muslims and Christians are standing on one corner while the Bible and Koran are standing on their own in another corner and in btween them are Pastors and Imams both wicked creatures preventing the Christian and the Muslim access to the "TRUE" messages of the holy books. The Pastor and the Imams both " PREACHERS" of the holy books have mutilated "GOD'S" messages in the holy books and now preach them to suit their own purposes as against those of GOD. Christians wealth wealth....Breakthrough as against Salvation. Muslims Kill Kill Violence as against Peace and salvation. My humble opinion should be understood as my opinion. And it goes further to state that I am talking about Majority of Pastors and Imams.

I agree totally with you.

tevinsolt:


your argument are not new, in fact I used to spill similar nonsense when I was searching for the truth, and it was as a result of my shallow understanding. based on my research and dive into knowledge I have come to the conclusion theism makes more sense to me than agnosticism and or atheism. The situation of Africa is a reflection of the culture and tradition that has passed down that also kept those who came before us grounded so to say, and for this reason more technologically advanced religious Europeans were able to conquer them.

The only self-evident" truth, as far as I am concerned, is that there's a God(s) or Creator(s) out there somewhere who for whatever reason has chosen to hide himself from humanity, at least for now. Organized religion, as we know it, is merely a culmination of man's futile and delusional attempts to synchronize his ideas to explain age old questions of his origin; how he came to be, who he is, why he is -- his purpose of existence, what he is, why he must die, the after-life -- what happens after he dies, etc.

But you find that even organized religions still experience an abysmal failure and lack of consensus, internal conflicts and schisms concerning this questions, as evidenced for example by the over 400 (and growing) denominations, sects and cults of organized Christianity that supposedly derive their religion from the same Bible -- they all interpret, read in/derive divergent meanings from the exact same Bible, like ? ? ?). I mean, how hard can it be to have a uniform understanding of a frigging book? ? Afterall, man has written and compiled and churned out other books on other subjects like physics and chemistry that many of us have read them and derived a uniform understanding from them, but when it comes to religious texts, individual ambitions to create their own following, churches, and interpretation of God motivates them to derive a million and one interpretations from the same exact religious texts!

Even the Catholic church, at least in a sincere effort, REVISE its religious ideas and teachings every now and then, meaning they concede that their understanding of "truth" is subject to change and modification. Incidentally, the Catholic church doesn't even accept the absolute veracity of biblical texts (and rightly so too), after all, the Bible as we know it -- both old and new testaments) was compiled and preserved by them.

This isn't exclusive to Christianity, Islam is just as guilty with it's Wahabism, Suunis, Shias, Suffis, etc. Even Sikhs derive their religion from Hinduism and Islam. So you see, man's always sought a way to understand a Creator who in his infinite wisdom has chosen to leave him in the dark, else it will cost God nothing to manifest himself physically once and for, but He's obviously chosen not to. But this hasn't quelled man's desire to understand his origins and purpose, and since God his creator has yet to explicitly give a definite answer, he then makes up those answers himself -- that is how and why we have so many different religions with differing ideas and "answers" to these age old questions.

safarigirl:
@italo, I beg you in the name of all that is Holy, just stop!

Twas hard reading the second page with all your spans there.....most of the things you claimed were stopped by the Catholic church were in fact stopped by Presbyterian and Methodist churches andd pray tell, what was 'evil' about Polygamy? So, all the men with one wife who now cheat on their wives are better than polygamists?

You already sound brain-washed with all your "the Catholic church has only done good to the world" preaching. The church has told you all they want you to know, but nobody will ever tell you the bad they've done. After all, if you write your CV, will you add that you took bribes in your former work place on it?

I'm also Catholic, and I defend the Catholic church most times, but even I know the hypocrisy that lies in that church and it is sickening.

You know nothing Ms Safari.

Your post is so sickening if you really are a catholic. And if you insist that italo is brainwashed, give reasons. state too the hypocrisies you mean. Educate us

Did I miss something?
Ouch! Time is not on my side anymore

Why mentioning catholic alone? Is catholic different from CAC? Please explain?

italo:


There was never civilization without religion. Christianity showed you that women are equal to men and should be treated with love and dignity. The enemies of religion, like you promote proliferation of indiscriminate sex including pornography which reduces women to little above animals with no love and dignity. It also increases unwanted pregnancies and you enemies of religion encourage the massacre of those innocent souls in the womb.

Those who molest children are clearly going against the Christian religion...so you can't say it was caused by religion.

The only thing Atheism has ever offered the world is death and destruction. E.g in Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia etc.

Actually Christianity did not show women are equal to men, it says it rather clearly that women are not equal in capacity or essence to men , but are just as special.

They are not created for servitude unto men but as special company giver, and vehicle for life. They are God's special creation

Italo, why are you trying to narrow the topic from religion to catholicism?

It's laughable when you said science was invented by the Catholic Church. Please stop spamming ignorance all over this thread and read deeper.

@op you are just lamenting untill you provide a meaningful altarnative world view to religion, religious belief still remain a backup to human existence.

Amusaopeyemi:
Don't change. Being an atheist is enlightening. I'm proud to be one.

Openly proud or secretly proud ?

italo:



Sometimes, you disappoint me with the way you reason. Did I ever try to imply or say that only the Catholic Church does good things?

No, you did not.

It is expedient for the catholic church to do good things, if they don't, then what should they do? Evil things alone?

My point there is that good things don't come from the roman catholic church alone...non christians, atheists etc also do/have done good things...so, the roman catholic church's good deeds isn't surprising, rather, it's expedient.

italo:

What I'm doing is to list the good things the Catholic Church has done. When you read that page, it is obvious that the vast majority of the things there were referring to the Catholic Church. Many of the things there even predate all those christian congregations you mentioned.

Obviously, when you started listing, you said you wanted to list the good done by the roman catholic church....only for you to shamelessly allude what was done by other bodies as part of the good of roman catholicism.

When I pointed those not by the rcc out, you alleged falsely against me that I was trying to ascribe your glory good deeds to others...now, you have suddenly made a u-turn that it is the 'vast majority' of what you listed.

Lemme ask a question: Don't you ever get tired of your public hypocrisy?

italo:

While I'm also waiting for you to post the evils...and deeper life deeds.

You're the one alleging that there are evils done by deeper life, I dunno any, if you do, please list them and I'll confirm and acknowledge them if they are true.

I've told you that I'll post the good done by them...the ones I'm aware of but only after you rest, think and post the evils done by the roman catholic church.

italo:


People who do those are doing contrary to what the religion teaches.

All peoples do bad things...but the Catholic Church teaches against these things...so a Catholic can boldly reprimand those who do these, even if they are Catholics.

That's the difference. Atheists molest little boys and justify it...they murder and justify it...

So I didn't lie. There was never civilization without religion...

...while Atheism has only ever brought death and destruction to the world. nothing good.

Pray tell when/where atheists rap*d kids or killed and justified it.

Sheikwonder:
@chibecanglobal,this is in response to your 1st post.

You make an argument about "criticizing religion" because of it's extremities.My question is,have you considered what the alternative would be like,i.e an irreligious society?
In your bid to get rid of religion,you fail to ignore it's benefits.The foundation of human laws are based on moral codes found in religious books,which is another way of saying that religion provides a moral compass.No religion,no laws.No laws,chaos!
True,certain extreme groups misinterprete holy books to suit their purposes,but that speaks to their inherent evil nature than to religion itself.Whether hell exists or not,it's supposed existence as at least helped to keep many people on the right path.Religion gives man a sense of purpose which admittedly may be abused,but it provides a legacy,which irreligious states do not have.As a matter of fact,all irreligious states are oppressive in nature...N.Korea,Cambodia,e.t.c....

We like to believe that there exists universal and natural laws. Even the most religious societies who supposely subscribe to a common moral compass will kill for the most self-satisfying reasons. Death penalty for selling drugs (concoctions or plants that simply grow from the earth), prostitution, treason, etc with the belief that heavy-handed justice serves as one of the most effective deterrences. This is their way of claiming that God hates these acts but if someone commits these acts then God rescinds his own stance on murder. These same religious bodies go to War for the most arbitrary reasons.

Moral compass is relative, using the most influential religion of the geographical area and current time. That alone is not justification of the religion's legitimacy

I scrutinize the notion that religion is needed for civility. Religion simply re-packages it's own moral code as another lure in selling itself, believing that it can promote and sell you a perfect society in which many will strive for to get into "heaven", the perception of a celestial reward. Religion creates a mirage of perfection and discipline, but is religion necessary to be disciplined or "perfect"?