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Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by shalomm: 9:34am On Jul 28, 2015 |
italo: I'm Christian and Proud. but bro you just commit a blunder by saying the bolded statement of yours.... Soviet Union, North korea, Cambodia are we hearing any issue of those country legalizing gay marriage or the LGBTC community? are u saying Russia has no Christians? or aren't there christian in North Korea? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by UyiIredia(m): 9:36am On Jul 28, 2015 |
safarigirl: I'm not arguing that there aren't close-minded Christians, my gripe was with the 97% figure. |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by IamLEGEND1: 9:36am On Jul 28, 2015 |
italo: an orijin for my guy here pls.. 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 9:40am On Jul 28, 2015 |
safarigirl: 1. That was a wiki article about the role of Christianity in civilization. Majority of what is there refers specifically to the Catholic Church, as I later enumerated to the person I was talking to. I wasn't trying to say that the Catholic Church did 100% of those things...but it did most. I assumed the person would be sensible enough to decipher that...but envy has blocked his mind a long time ago. 2. I never said polygamy was evil...but it tramples on the spirit of equality of women to men. I haven't found a woman who likes to be a second wife. Do you like that? 3. Can you say the things I mentioned which weren't stopped by the Catholic Church? safarigirl: The bold is a blatant lie against me. Can you quote where I said or implied so? safarigirl:The Church didn't just tell me the good it does. Honest Secular sources say it too...and much more importantly...I see it every minute...in every country. The Church also says the bad it does, as in the apologies of Popes John Paul II & Francis. It also tells me the bad that some individual Church officials do. When I look at everything...the Church is still an overwhelming force for the good of humanity. better than any other institution. safarigirl: I never said there is no hypocrisy in the Church. You're arguing against opinions that are your own fabrications. There will be hypocrisy anywhere there are humans. There was hypocrisy amongst the apostles...right under Jesus' nose. I came here to refute those who were saying Religion is a bane of progress for humanity. That doesn't apply to the Church and most religions, as I have shown. Overall, the Catholic Church is an overwhelming force for good in the world. 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Humblebloke(m): 9:47am On Jul 28, 2015 |
UyiIredia: This is another reason..... You keep criticizing your religions..... He created all of you..... Why would he want to see billions of people perish ![]() ![]() What if you were born in another part of the world.....Perhaps Arabia where Islam is practised or India where Hinduism is their way of life. Wait...... Perhaps,he loves you..... He hates the others ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by IamLEGEND1: 9:48am On Jul 28, 2015 |
ifeness: i'm not sure u understand the difference between the narration of ancient cultures and doctrines. the bible digressed the customs of the jews and other civilisations, revealing them to have a lower regard for women than men. the doctrines state clearly a woman is to be treated as an equal. scratch that, they are to be treated as "the weaker vessel", in other words with more care and understanding. #TryAndUnderstandStuff |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Humblebloke(m): 9:50am On Jul 28, 2015 |
shalomm: You are very broad minded...... Something you hardly see in (African) Xtians..... I hope he will answer your question. |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by senbonzakurakageyoshi(m): 10:00am On Jul 28, 2015 |
italo: I don't understand. Are you for the church and Christianity as a whole or just repping the catholic church? Because by your repeated posts here, you're tacitly implying that other denominations are doing jack all while the catholic church is the bastion of world goodness. This is precisely my problem with modern christianity - this our "my church is better than yours" argument. What's the difference between it and the "my religion is better than yours" argument? 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by UyiIredia(m): 10:04am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Humblebloke: You are just blabbing. Who criticized what ? |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Nobody: 10:05am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Based on your position, you had it coming earlier in the day, but along the line, am afraid you mumbled everything up for yourself... Fact is, if those who 'invented' the goods (religion and science), as you have been able to assert, could remain ahead (in terms of advancements) of those who only 'bought' the goods, I think a stronger possibility for such an achievement could only have been REASON! And Reason is just what people need, at this time, people who think, institutions that adopt pragmatic approaches to problem solving. I like to think especially in Africa italo: |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 10:09am On Jul 28, 2015 |
safarigirl: Mention the scientists that the Church killed...Mention the teachings they disputed...provide proof of these. Let us see who is brainwashed. Thank you. safarigirl: Mention the scientific discovery the Church did not support...Mention the scientists who suggested that God dint create the earth through Adam and Eve who the Church was enraged at...provide proof of these. safarigirl:Sister, the first person to propound the theory of the Big Bang was a Catholic Priest and Physicist, Fr Georges Lemaitre. You are very ignorant of this topic of discussion. Please humble yourself and learn. That is what the West will tell you, Egypt brought civilization, not the Catholic church under the charge of white people. How very convenient that you'd indirectly support that civilization started from Rome, the white man's land, instead of Egypt, the black man's land. Guy, better wise up[/quote] I speak about Western Civilization. Egypt didn't promote equality of husband and wife...abolishment of human sacrifice...establishment of hospices for the sick and elderly...human rights etc. Our society is built on Western civilization, not Egyptian civilization. Please read these for starters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by LOUIS6(m): 10:13am On Jul 28, 2015 |
safarigirl: I have been trying to ask dis same question... Are Christians the only people that will make heaven?? because Christianity makes it sounds like all other religions are doomed for eternal condemnation |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 10:20am On Jul 28, 2015 |
zicoraads: Religion was attacked. My religion is Christianity = Catholicism. So I defended my religion because that is the one I know very well. I cannot defend Islam...or Buddhism...or Hinduism...or Ifa...or all these new groups that came up yesterday with different strange doctrines and call themselves "Christianity"...some of the are taught to eat snakes in their "churches"...some go to church naked...some are taught to drink petrol...some have been found to use evil powers... sorry, brother, allow me to defend the Christianity that I got from the Apostles and early Church. Thank you. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by joywendy(f): 10:30am On Jul 28, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Yes it may seem far fetched but I would also agree to that figure. Many if not majority of the christians we have here are totally close minded. Try sharing this topic to a bunch of 'true born again christians' and you would be surprised the kind of response you will get there after. People calling you names from different corners,people fighting over denomination and whose religion is better off. Fortunately for us, this thread just described what I am saying. The thread was probably created by an atheist and also Most of the comments on this thread are by either athiests,agonist,satanist but where are the 'true open minded christians'? They are very very few! Infact you can barely count them here. The one's that are here are busy talking about a particular denomination and have abandoned the main essence of the thread. So Where does it leave us? 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 10:33am On Jul 28, 2015 |
sweetgala: From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: * III. "MALE AND FEMALE HE CREATED THEM" Equality and difference willed by God 369 Man and woman have been created, which is to say, willed by God: on the one hand, in perfect equality as human persons; on the other, in their respective beings as man and woman. "Being man" or "being woman" is a reality which is good and willed by God: man and woman possess an inalienable dignity which comes to them immediately from God their Creator. Man and woman are both with one and the same dignity "in the image of God". In their "being-man" and "being-woman", they reflect the Creator's wisdom and goodness. 370 In no way is God in man's image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective "perfections" of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband. "Each for the other" - "A unity in two" 371 God created man and woman together and willed each for the other. The Word of God gives us to understand this through various features of the sacred text. "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper fit for him." None of the animals can be man's partner. The woman God "fashions" from the man's rib and brings to him elicits on the man's part a cry of wonder, an exclamation of love and communion: "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh." Man discovers woman as another "I", sharing the same humanity. 372 Man and woman were made "for each other" - not that God left them half-made and incomplete: he created them to be a communion of persons, in which each can be "helpmate" to the other, for they are equal as persons ("bone of my bones. . ." ![]() |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by shalomm: 10:36am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Humblebloke: I balance my faith with reason and logic... |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Humblebloke(m): 10:39am On Jul 28, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Don't play dumb.....you are just another brainwashed homo erectus........This is what you lots When You don't have answers to questions Have a nice life... 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 10:39am On Jul 28, 2015 |
herald9: Catholicism is my religion. It is the one I'm certain of. I don't like talking based on assumption or guess work...and I never prevented people of other religions from talking about theirs. thank you. herald9: Laughable to you because you're ignorant of the fact that "science" in the modern sense of the word mostly refers to the Scientific Method which wasn't practised or standardized until Franciscan Friar, Roger Bacon advanced it. |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by senbonzakurakageyoshi(m): 10:40am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Away from the whole distraction with ITalo's catholicism and denominational christianity and back to the main topic at hand: I would like to think the main problem with modern African religion and the modern African religious construct is actually something ancient: fear. We are too afraid to question what we've been told. And funnily enough, that fear wasn't invented with Christianity or Islam - it was a part of the religions our forefathers adhered to. The gods in our traditional religions were swift, vengeful and ruthless. The chief priests held the people in awe of the gods' powers and threatened followers with punishment if they displeased the gods. And, of course, it was only convenient for those who brought us the religions we adhere to today to key into that already existing formula to achieve the same results. We modern religious adherents inherited that fear from our old religions and adapted it into modern religion. God is always hovering over our shoulders with a whip to hand out punishments whenever we default - especially when we refuse to believe in him. Which makes it no surprise that, in the same way our forebears had to offer sacrifices to keep the gods pleased and keep their blessings coming, modern African adherents have to sow seeds and make constant offerings to make God happy and keep his blessings coming. All this in spite of the fact that we still hold the creed that God is a benevolent, all-loving God. Modern African religions, in my purview, are not religions in its purest form. It is an amalgamation of tenets of our old traditional religions (especially the use of fear to subjugate and control) and old European/Middle Eastern dogma all wrapped up in a modernist package. And till we learn to throw off that cloak of fear, that idea that God wants to remain hidden in a shroud of mystery and, as a results, we shouldn't ask questions, we will continue to fall victim to the negative aspects of religious beliefs. 9 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Humblebloke(m): 10:44am On Jul 28, 2015 |
shalomm: Which is one thing we share....... I really don't know why believers think its a crime to question their beliefs. 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by UyiIredia(m): 10:46am On Jul 28, 2015 |
joywendy: In other news, please comment on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by shalomm: 10:50am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Humblebloke: Many Christians today only practice what i called " Religion" I am sure that guy won't answer my question..... |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Progress2468(m): 10:51am On Jul 28, 2015 |
leke12: Exactly what the poster is talking about |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 10:51am On Jul 28, 2015 |
freecocoa:Read about nambla...The communists' persecutions and mass killings etc |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by menxer: 10:54am On Jul 28, 2015 |
thumps up! I love the word "Endarkenment". it captures what is going on in our religious sphere. why do we preach "freedom for the captives " only to hold people captive to church/religious dogma and doctrines? I always tell anyone who cares to hear that the hardest thing to do is criticize ones religious belief system. Try it... |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by Progress2468(m): 10:57am On Jul 28, 2015 |
GOD HAS NO RELIGION !!!! 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by 247notire(m): 10:57am On Jul 28, 2015 |
senbonzakurakageyoshi:Are u a mind reader? cos u stole this one straight from my mind. .. lols... Absolutely true bruv! |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 11:04am On Jul 28, 2015 |
Y safarigirl: What did Dan Brown say? Do you want us to believe Dan Brown and Disbelieve the Church? On what grounds? You just make allegations like a market woman...with substantiating them "Your mama dey crase"..."your papa dey mad" no proof! 1 Like |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by vapid: 11:04am On Jul 28, 2015 |
So much ignorance in such short write up. Epic italo: |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by johnydon22(m): 11:06am On Jul 28, 2015 |
italo:For goodness sake stop your fallacies and argue honestly for once. . . You tend to give catholicism a bad name with such desperate attempt on discrediting people falsely.. Numbla is a pedophile legalization movement just like gay right movement.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association what has that got to do with atheism exactly? Seriously you need to calm you nerves and stop acting on desperation... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by italo: 11:08am On Jul 28, 2015 |
ifeness: In your interpretation of the Bible. I earlier posted the Catholic teaching on equality of man and woman from the Catechism. |
Re: Why Criticism Of Religion Is Important In Contemporary Africa by adsonstone: 11:09am On Jul 28, 2015 |
italo: Now here's a shameless catholic liar. Here's what you said when I rightly pointed it that some of all those you things mentioned weren't done by the RCC and that other christian bodies did it, you alleged abruptly that I was trying to ascribe another person's 'glory' to myself. italo: 1 Like |
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