Henry120:


When you post comments, i just can't help but feel that you are a girl. The pettiness in your comments are always very apparent.

The fact is, the South-African defence industry depends primarily on the sale of MRAP vehicles, and they constitute over 85% of all total revenue generated by said defence industry in each fiscal year. I mean, these are indisputable facts.

Now carry on selling your MRAPs, everyone makes and sells those these days anyway.

Unfortunately for you, the article is about Denel Pty (Ltd) making the top 100 list. Not the South African defence industry at large. Denel does not make the majority of its revenue from MRAP's, hence their purchase of BAE Land Systems this year to increase that capability.

You tried to be clever, and left with a bloody nose...."everyone makes and sells those these days anyway"....lol, such desperation. You've tried to shift the focus away from Denel, to our industry at large. Denel makes the majority of its money from selling high end defence products abroad, and about 40-45% selling to the SANDF and the South African Police Service.

Again, enjoy the ride in your imaginary MRAP. There was no need to try and sound clever on a Wednesday morning, no one forced you to comment. So enjoy your embarrassment.

jln115:

A$$ licking? Hahaha the only ones licking each others a$$es is you and agugubugu. And honestly do you think Nigeria will have a company in the top 100 in 35 years? The answer is NO!

It took us years and years to get there(Longer than 35 years) and you honestly think a Nigerian company is just going to catapult into the top 100 when your still struggling to make decent mraps?

You know you are guilty of this, hence your immediate retort to been defensive. Quite as$-licking it is just wrong!


Don't under-estimate Nigeria,i remember the comments from South-Africans when only a few years ago, we were the 3rd largest economy on the continent. Many poorly informed South-Africans claimed it would be 2030 before Nigeria would emerge the largest economy in Africa. However today, we run an economy which is over $524 billion and the 25th largest in the world, while that of South-Africa is barely above $330 billion.


The same scenario is playing out in Nigeria's Auto Industry, before 2013, Nigeria had barely 3 Companies afloat in the Auto sector. Today( 12 August,2015), there are over 23 Auto vehicle assemblers and car component parts manufacturers in Nigeria, with more coming in. We now even export APCs, something barely unheard of in 2014. Yet again, you South-Africans are fidgeting.


If you under-estimate a Nigerian in business, you would get severely burnt.


We might not be making "decent" MRAPs like you claim, but those "not decent" Armoured vehicles are already been exported. Again profits from of sales of the IKRI MRAP would go both to DCD and the Nigerian partner.

Is a Nigerian company going to catapult into the Top 100, I don't know, let us wait and see. The Nigerian interest in Defence related line of business is still very low, if interest pick up, you'll be foolish to not bet on us.



* for the Record, I'll pick the Igirigi over any South-African LAV, I'll also pick the Proforce MK2 and leopard over any South-African LAPV or Recon vehicle.

Henry120:


Congratulations, you made the list of top 100 selling MRAPs. Not much of an achievement, but since you are South-Africans, what more can i say. Keep selling those MRAPs.


By the way, we've already started exporting vehicles to both Rwanda and the South-Sudan, and our company is still very young.

Hahahahahaha

The fvcking butthurt in this post!!

AMCIT turrets, sniper rifles, Ingwe, A-Darter , Seeker Series Drones all big ticket sales over the last year*

Deal with it

* and these are the sales i remember

Henry120:


When a Nigerian enters into any business line, sooner we begin to dominate that business. Watch out for our companies, we've already started exporting.

..... And eh.... Would you stop as$-licking Frum's as$ in the photo-sharing thread, it's becoming quite embarrassing.

If you are so good at buisness... Howcome South African run companies dominate your economy and slaughter any domestic opposition?

Top 100

Deal with those feels

Henry120:


When you post comments, i just can't help but feel that you are a girl. The pettiness in your comments are always very apparent.

The fact is, the South-African defence industry depends primarily on the sale of MRAP vehicles, and they constitute over 85% of all total revenue generated by said defence industry in each fiscal year. I mean, these are indisputable facts.

Now carry on selling your MRAPs, everyone makes and sells those these days anyway.

What MRAP's does denel sell?

Name them and state the sales numbers for each

(Wrecked)

As usual you have come here with a statement and nothing to back it up.

what have you sold and to whom?

ssaengine:


Unfortunately for you, the article is about Denel Pty (Ltd) making the top 100 list. Not the South African defence industry at large. Denel does not make the majority of its revenue from MRAP's, hence their purchase of BAE Land Systems this year to increase that capability.

You tried to be clever, and left with a bloody nose...."everyone makes and sells those these days anyway"....lol, such desperation. You've tried to shift the focus away from Denel, to our industry at large. Denel makes the majority of its money from selling high end defence products abroad, and about 40-45% selling to the SANDF and the South African Police Service.

Again, enjoy the ride in your imaginary MRAP. There was no need to try and sound clever on a Wednesday morning, no one forced you to comment. So enjoy your embarrassment.

Again, you are dead last on the list. For a Country that has supposedly been in the arms manufacturing business for over 50 years, that's simply not an achievement to celebrate. Again, excerpt you are South-African were mediocrity is celebrated!



You have been unable to dispute the facts, your industry depends on the sale of MRAP vehicles for over 85% of it's entire revenue. You sleep, eat, dream and walk MRAPs. This is it, all you are good at, is churning and churning out MRAP vehicles.

I'm embarrassed at you coming in at last place.

Henry120:


Again, you are dead last on the list. For a Country that has supposedly been in the arms manufacturing business for over 50 years, that's simply not an achievement to celebrate. Again, excerpt you are South-African were mediocrity is celebrated!



You have been unable to dispute the facts, your industry depends on the sale of MRAP vehicles for over 85% of it's entire revenue. You sleep, eat, dream and walk MRAPs. This is it, all you are good at, is churning and churning out MRAP vehicles.

I'm embarrassed at you coming in at last place.

Which fact am i even trying to dispute? Its you who is going on a tangent. The article is about Denel...not the South African defence industry. Denel does not make its money from MRAP's. So why are you talking about our industry at large? Which MRAP's does Denel produce pre 2015?

If your jealousy is at such a level that you want to play dum.b, then so be it....i cudnt care less. How many defence companies are there in the United States and Russia alone? 5? 20? Or hundreds, if not thousands. Its a damn good achievement for Denel. Taking into account they were excluded from international participation up until the early 90's.

Henry120:


Again, you are dead last on the list. For a Country that has supposedly been in the arms manufacturing business for over 50 years, that's simply not an achievement to celebrate. Again, excerpt you are South-African were mediocrity is celebrated!



You have been unable to dispute the facts, your industry depends on the sale of MRAP vehicles for over 85% of it's entire revenue. You sleep, eat, dream and walk MRAPs. This is it, all you are good at, is churning and churning out MRAP vehicles.

I'm embarrassed at you coming in at last place.

1. South Africa only entered the international arms markets when sanctions were lifted in 1994

2. State which MRAPS Denel sells, to whom they have been sold, and in what numbers.

Top 100

Deal with it

patches689:



Hahahahahaha

The fvcking butthurt in this post!!

AMCIT turrets, sniper rifles, Ingwe, A-Darter , Seeker Series Drones all big ticket sales over the last year*

Deal with it

* and these are the sales i remember

You are dead last in the list, for a country that has been in the business of arms for the past 60 years, that's not an achievement.

Brazil has not purchased any A-Darters.

Henry120 post=36873515 :


You are dead last in the list, for a country that has been in the business of arms for the past 60 years, that's not an achievement.

Brazil has not purchased any A-Darters.

Brazil has placed the first order for 100, your ignorance is shamefull
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-37865/

How long ago is 1994? 60 years??

Top 100

Deal with it

Henry120:


You are dead last in the list, for a country that has been in the business of arms for the past 60 years, that's not an achievement.

Brazil has not purchased any A-Darters.

Lol there was a Kentron/Denel in 1955? I love this guy's "facts". Shame

patches689:


1. South Africa only entered the international arms markets when sanctions were lifted in 1994

2. State which MRAPS Denel sells, to whom they have been sold, and in what numbers.

Top 100

Deal with it

1.You are dead last on the list. 100 out of 100, last place! "Na you carry class for head".

2. You have been in the arms manufacturing business for more than 60 years. The list doesn't differentiate whether they are exports or not, dummy. Sanctions have absolutely nothing to do with it.

3. Didn't you sell Casspirs to Uganda?

Henry120:


You are dead last in the list, for a country that has been in the business of arms for the past 60 years, that's not an achievement.

Brazil has not purchased any A-Darters.

DICON was established 51 years ago

All it has acheived in 52 years is the export of a handfull of vehicals

NOW THAT IS PATHETC

ssaengine:


Which fact am i even trying to dispute? Its you who is going on a tangent. The article is about Denel...not the South African defence industry. Denel does not make its money from MRAP's. So why are you talking about our industry at large? Which MRAP's does Denel produce pre 2015?

If your jealousy is at such a level that you want to play dum.b, then so be it....i cudnt care less. How many defence companies are there in the United States and Russia alone? 5? 20? Or hundreds, if not thousands. Its a damn good achievement for Denel. Taking into account they were excluded from international participation up until the early 90's.

Your Defence industry depends primarily on MRAPs for it's total generated revenue. This is the fact!

Denel placing last in a least of 100 companies is also not an achievement. Neither does the list contain exports as a primary criteria for judging how companies were placed.

ssaengine:

Lol there was a Kentron/Denel in 1955? I love this guy's "facts". Shame

How many years has South-Africa been producing arms?

patches689:


DICON was established 51 years ago

All it has acheived in 52 years is the export of a handfull of vehicals

NOW THAT IS PATHETC

Who's talking about DICON, our primary concern is about the abysmal performance of Denel and the general South-African arms industry.

For a company that pouts itself as a major arms manufacturer and exporter, scoring dead last isn't much of a confidence booster.

Henry120:


Your Defence industry depends primarily on MRAPs for it's total generated revenue. This is the fact!

Denel placing last in a least of 100 companies is also not an achievement. Neither does the list contain exports as a primary criteria for judging how companies were placed.

Who is disputing your fact? Does DENEL make most of its revenue from selling MRAP's? Yes or No?

How many international defence companies are there? 100 in total? Where is Dicon?

ssaengine:


Who is disputing your fact? Does DENEL make most of its revenue from selling MRAP's? Yes or No?

How many international defence companies are there? 100 in total? Where is Dicon?

The South-African industry which Denel is one of the major players generates most of it's revenue from selling MRAPs.

We are talking about Denel placing dead last, not DICON.

Henry120:


Your Defence industry depends primarily on MRAPs for it's total generated revenue. This is the fact!

Denel placing last in a least of 100 companies is also not an achievement. Neither does the list contain exports as a primary criteria for judging how companies were placed.

100 BIGGEST companies

Over 100 exist

Where is DICON?

Henry120:


The South-African industry which Denel is one of the major players generates most of it's revenue from selling MRAPs.

We are talking about Denel placing dead last, not DICON.

Simple question...does Denel make most of its revenue selling MRAPS? Yes or no? If you cant answer that then have a good day, i personally wont waste any more time on this topic. You aren't a stup.id person, you're just being a troll on purpose. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then good on you. Have fun.

Henry120:


1.You are dead last on the list. 100 out of 100, last place! "Na you carry class for head".

2. You have been in the arms manufacturing business for more than 60 years. The list doesn't differentiate whether they are exports or not, dummy. Sanctions have absolutely nothing to do with it.

3. Didn't you sell Casspirs to Uganda?

1. No Nigerian companies made this list. Pathetic

2. Really?

DICON established: 51 years ago
Kentron (Denel) established: 40 years ago

AWKWARD

3. Who have we sold MRAPS to, and how many? You said that they make up the majority of Denel profits - so list them

Henry120:


Who's talking about DICON, our primary concern is about the abysmal performance of Denel and the general South-African arms industry.

For a company that pouts itself as a major arms manufacturer and exporter, scoring dead last isn't much of a confidence booster.

hahahahah

Those double standards!

That cognitive dissonance!!

DICON is older than Denel... yet it has ZERO major exports and is nowhere on any lists.

South Africa is amongst the top 20 arms exporters in the world

Denel is amongst the top 100 Arms Manufacturers in the world

The OLDER Nigerian company is NOWHERE

Deal

With

IT

patches689:


hahahahah

Those double standards!

That cognitive dissonance!!

DICON is older than Denel... yet it has ZERO major exports and is nowhere on any lists.

South Africa is amongst the top 20 arms exporters in the world

Denel is amongst the top 100 Arms Manufacturers in the world

The OLDER Nigerian company is NOWHERE

Deal

With

IT

Ouch

Henry120:


The South-African industry which Denel is one of the major players generates most of it's revenue from selling MRAPs.

We are talking about Denel placing dead last, not DICON.

No, it is not dead last.

If there were 100 Arms companies in the world - it would be last.

It is the TOP 100 companies in the world.

THE BEST AND BIGGEST

Now - what MRAP's does Denel sell? Who have they sold them to? What numbers have they sold?

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-40248/

And just on queue, this Defenceweb article adds another slap to his face. So the Denel division that actually makes MRAP's only contributes 28% to total Denel revenue

[b]"Denel Land Systems' (DLS) billing as a consolidated, project-based, systems designer and integrator of combat turrets, artillery and infantry systems, small arms and armoured vehicles is upheld by a recent maintenance, repair and overhaul contract for 1,900 police assault rifles and the sale of 1,000 SS-77 machine guns.
...
These, along with other DLS work including the new infantry fighting vehicle for the SA Army, saw the Lyttelton, Centurion headquartered business division contribute 28% of Denel's revenue in the 2014/15 financial year. DLS has, according to the latest Denel annual report, for the 2014/15 financial year, completed maintenance, repair and overhaul of 1,500 SA Police Service R5 assault rifles with 400 still awaiting refurbishment in the year under review.
...
Other work DLS' 630 employees were involved in during the year under review included bringing industrialisation and production on phase two of the new infantry fighting vehicle - the Badger - ahead of schedule and a renewal of interest in the new generation Casspir (NG2000) particularly from African countries."[/b]

Just thought I'd leave this here:

Top 20 Arms Exporters, 2010 - 2014

http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/2015_of_at_top_20_exp_map.html

Nigeria takes delivery of fresh batch of beryl M762 rifles from Poland- Janes
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http://www.janes.com/article/53541/more-beryl-m762-rifles-delivered-to-nigeria

patches689:


No, it is not dead last.

If there were 100 Arms companies in the world - it would be last.

It is the TOP 100 companies in the world.

THE BEST AND BIGGEST

Now - what MRAP's does Denel sell? Who have they sold them to? What numbers have they sold?

-Yes it is.

- 100 companies were listed, of all Denel has the un-enviable honour of been placed last.

- of the 100 companies rated it came last. This is the indisputable fact.

We have no evidence to prove that if more companies are rated, it would score any better than last.

100 out of 100 = LAST!


You sell Casspirs, and units were sold to Uganda.

You are the MRAP nation.

patches689:


hahahahah

Those double standards!

That cognitive dissonance!!

DICON is older than Denel... yet it has ZERO major exports and is nowhere on any lists.

South Africa is amongst the top 20 arms exporters in the world

Denel is amongst the top 100 Arms Manufacturers in the world

The OLDER Nigerian company is NOWHERE

Deal

With

IT

"What double standards?".

100 companies rated, and you came last!

We don't claim to be weapons exporter, however, you do, and you were rated last!

FACT!

frumentius:
Just thought I'd leave this here:

Top 20 Arms Exporters, 2010 - 2014

http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/2015_of_at_top_20_exp_map.html

And out of all those countries with all their defence companies, certains people will still attempt to put us down, claim we are "stone last" "pathetic"....when they themselves are nowhere to be seen. Just look at the circles SA rolls in.

ssaengine:


Simple question...does Denel make most of its revenue selling MRAPS? Yes or no? If you cant answer that then have a good day, i personally wont waste any more time on this topic. You aren't a stup.id person, you're just being a troll on purpose. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then good on you. Have fun.

The South-African Industry makes most of it's revenue selling MRAPs. YES!

You spend most of your time complaining and nagging like a woman, that's not a great character trait.

Henry120:


The South-African Industry makes most of it's revenue selling MRAPs. YES!

You spend most of your time complaining and nagging like a woman, that's not a great character trait.

Keep playing dum.b. Completely up to you. You've chosen not to answer the basic question about Denel, so no stress. Have fun.