Ibime:
I said it back in May when you guys signed Depay that he is an "as the spirit leads" kind of player and I'm not concerned about his signing. I don't know why ninjas are surprised how he loses possession. He has never been an intelligent team player. .

ronaldo lost possession more than any attacking player in england, see how it turned out. there's nothing wrong with depay!

a player primed to take risks would always lose possession cos he will not score from every effort. LVG's shackled football is the problem, not depay!!!

LVG gave up rafael & retained valencia, that should tell you he favours players who take little or no risks & pass the ball back to the goalie. depay isn't cut for such!

Ibime:
I said it back in May when you guys signed Depay that he is an "as the spirit leads" kind of player and I'm not concerned about his signing. I don't know why ninjas are surprised how he loses possession. He has never been an intelligent team player. .

Very very true... his moment of brilliance is synonymous with the 29th day of February

I don't even know how to explain it

Jaypea98:
I just watched a 12minute video of Pereira's performance vs Borough yesternight and i thought he did good for his age.
Jesse lingard was also very unlucky not to have gotten a goal for himself for the second game in a row...
I also heard that lingard is being played out of position as he isn't a winger but a supporting striker. Can somebody here confirm if this is true ?

YEA HE IS A STRIKER

Ibime:
I said it back in May when you guys signed Depay that he is an "as the spirit leads" kind of player and I'm not concerned about his signing. I don't know why ninjas are surprised how he loses possession. He has never been an intelligent team player. .

I think i am beginning to trust your judgement/foresight these days

The English must protect their golden boy now.

Manure have been accomodating Rooney for over 2 years now.

Instead of selling when Fergie wanted to get rid of him, that money miss road Ed Woodward went and succumbed to his financial heist the minute Fergie retired.

coogar:


ronaldo lost possession more than any attacking player in england, see how it turned out. there's nothing wrong with depay!

a player primed to take risks would always lose possession cos he will not score from every effort. LVG's shackled football is the problem, not depay!!!

LVG gave up rafael & retained valencia, that should tell you he favours players who take little or no risks & pass the ball back to the goalie. depay isn't cut for such!

Blaming LVG'S philosophy for depay's stupidity on the field is atrocious... depay attempts more take ons than any of his team mates and he never succeeds... no matter how "shackled" LVG'S football might be, it's not the reason for depay's horrible displays, you can't tell me it's because of LVG'S philosophy depay can't do the simplest things in football like picking out a man when he's free... he can't even do it on Fifa, pathetic


Depay is useless abeg, leave matter for martyrs

coogar:

LVG's shackled football is the problem, not depay!!!

You will soon blame the grass in england for not cooperating with your new c ronaldo.

coogar:


ronaldo lost possession more than any attacking player in england, see how it turned out. there's nothing wrong with depay!

a player primed to take risks would always lose possession cos he will not score from every effort. LVG's shackled football is the problem, not depay!!!

LVG gave up rafael & retained valencia, that should tell you he favours players who take little or no risks & pass the ball back to the goalie. depay isn't cut for such!

Ronaldo was not a team player but in a tactical sense, he was the ultimate team player. While Memphis clogs the centre, young Ronaldo would stretch the play and stay wide allowing the passers of the team to dominate the centre. Depay would be fighting Herrera them for space in the centre only to waste it. That's the main tactical difference.

Also Ronaldo would so worry the opposition left back, teams would abandon midfield formation to send midfielders to support the left back, creating more space in the centre for Scholes and co.

Depay on the other hand clogs the centre. Big difference.

Then when Fergie decided to push Ronaldo more central in 2006, he scored so many goals, it doesn't matter if he played tikitaka or not. Depay would need to score 40+ goals to justify such comparison. Otherwise I would rather compare him to Hulk aka dribble and shoot!

darefestus:
[size=18pt]For the Know-it-alls who would criticize Rooney and lap-up Depay's performances because he is young and new to the league, you are fast running out of excuse, anyone with half a brain cell will see we got mugged on that deal and he isnt half as good as he was made out to be. I can take punts like Bebe and Obertan being shite, but with the reputation he came with, that is just pathetic.

No desire, no energy, no brain, no pace, nothing![/size]

Uh, and I heard 'em say,nobody ever promised Depay could play...

Ibime:

Ronaldo was not a team player but in a tactical sense, he was the ultimate team player. While Memphis clogs the centre, young Ronaldo would stretch the play and stay wide allowing the passers of the team to dominate the centre. Depay would be fighting Herrera them for space in the centre only to waste it. That's the main tactical difference.

young ronaldo was the most frustrating player ever. why are you people trying to mask what ronaldo was before the world cup? his decision making was the worst of any young player----that was why rooney was rated above him in their teenage years. ronaldo was extremely immature.

Also Ronaldo would so worry the opposition left back, teams would abandon midfield formation to send midfielders to support the left back, creating more space in the centre for Scholes and co.

because fergie tolerated such play. fergie is a risk taker. under LVG, wingers like ronaldo, nani, depay, di maria would fail cos these players prefer to take risks & go direct rather than the disciplined dogs like valencia & young. that's the difference. memphis has all the attributes of a SAF winger.

he's explosive, pacy, he can beat a man but his decision making is iffy. that was how giggs started too. robben @21 was worse as well. they just believe they could dribble everyone on the pitch and get away with it. the manager plays a part in the development of a young player.

Depay on the other hand clogs the centre. Big difference.

how so?
if the pass isn't on, LVG has instructed the players to hold possession till the cows come home. no one risks any pass.....no one takes charge. we just hug possession for nothing without actually trying to force the issue every now & then. how would traditional wingers thrive in this philosophy?

airmark:


You will soon blame the grass in england for not cooperating with your new c ronaldo.

Jesu Oluwa o
Simple ball control, the boy no get. He did the same against Arsenal too.


Nonetheless, i'm still on the Depay Bandwagon for now. I still believe he'll come good.Y'all haters should chill

dopeJemi:


Blaming LVG'S philosophy for depay's stupidity on the field is atrocious... depay attempts more take ons than any of his team mates and he never succeeds... no matter how "shackled" LVG'S football might be, it's not the reason for depay's horrible displays, you can't tell me it's because of LVG'S philosophy depay can't do the simplest things in football like picking out a man when he's free... he can't even do it on Fifa, pathetic


Depay is useless abeg, leave matter for martyrs

useless players don't score this kinda goals. this is exactly what chelsea fans expect from hidden hazard & he cannot deliver.

coogar:


young ronaldo was the most frustrating player ever. why are you people trying to mask what ronaldo was before the world cup? his decision making was the worst of any young player----that was why rooney was rated above him in their teenage years. ronaldo was extremely immature.

Believe me, I thoroughly enjoyed Ronaldos play back then.

All this talk of Ronaldo being frustrating or Rooney rated higher was a campaign from British press who wanted to downplay Ronaldos play on that right wing because he is a flashy foreigner and they were waging campaign on Beckhams behalf that this new boy is not as good as their darling England captain whose position he took.

No be the same biased press yarning opata about Rooney now.

I'm not a Utd fan so my emotions aren't involved and I can't tell you if he was frustrating to a UTD fan but I know we were all scared of him when we faced him. Part of the frustration may be to do with the fact that Mourinho had just brought a tactical revolution of 4-5-1 to England which no team could compete with and maybe looking for players to blame.

Ronaldo at Euro 2004 was already the best 3 European footballers as far as I'm concerned. That's been his best International tournament to date as far as I'm concerned.

I can't forget what he Ronaldo did to Bruno Ngotty New Year's Eve 2005.

That was the day I knew that the boy was going to be special.

The day I saw Depay being pocketed by Leandro Bacuna, I knew that he was nothing special

AdeLaNa1:
Jesu Oluwa o
Simple ball control, the boy no get. He did the same against Arsenal too.


Nonetheless, i'm still on the Depay Bandwagon for now. I still believe he'll come good.Y'all haters should chill

I even want you to continue believing him to take you to the wonderland. I pray LVG continue using him and rooney because i know, that means your team will be playing 2 men down. Depay was a delight to watch for me yesternight. He entertained me.

Ibime:

Believe me, I thoroughly enjoyed Ronaldos play back then.

he was useless back then.
keane wanted him dead in most games & ruud punched him in training cos ronaldo refused to pass the ball.

All this talk of Ronaldo being frustrating or Rooney rated higher was a campaign from British press who wanted to downplay Ronaldos play on that right wing because he is a flashy foreigner and they were waging campaign on Beckhams behalf that this new boy is not as good as their darling England captain whose position he took.

rooney was the better player in their teenage years. rooney was the better decision maker & rooney would never refuse to pass to a player in a better position.

No be the same biased press yarning opata about Rooney now.

i have never followed the british media to make my opinion on players. rooney>>>>>>>ronaldo in 2004.

when rooney singlehandedly ended arsenal's long unbeaten run, where was ronaldo? rooney scored a goal & assisted the other goal in the biggest game on the planet back then.....ronaldo was simply anonymous.

I'm not a Utd fan so my emotions aren't involved and I can't tell you if he was frustrating to a UTD fan but I know we were all scared of him when we faced him. Part of the frustration may be to do with the fact that Mourinho had just brought a tactical revolution of 4-5-1 to England which no team could compete with and maybe looking for players to blame.

scared of who?
i cannot remember winning any game against chelsea in ronaldo's first two seasons at united. he had moments of magic in lapses & plenty of frustrating moments in his game.

Ronaldo at Euro 2004 was already the best 3 European footballers as far as I'm concerned. That's been his best International tournament to date as far as I'm concerned.

rooney at euro 2004 was already the best player in europe at only 18 years of age. he bullied defenders & scored 4 goals in spite of the face that he went off injured as early as the quarter-finals against portugal.

rooney's hype didn't just come about cos he is english. he was the business back then. he was fearless, strong & blessed with pace and power. go and watch what rooney did to croatia in euro 2004 before you start yearning opaks!

Bruno Ngottty, phucking hell! Some ninjas got elephant memory.

coogar:


young ronaldo was the most frustrating player ever. why are you people trying to mask what ronaldo was before the world cup? his decision making was the worst of any young player----that was why rooney was rated above him in their teenage years. ronaldo was extremely immature.

Except Young Ronaldo was beating his fullback more often than not, whilst still producing crosses - None of which Depay has managed to do.

You have also conveniently ignored the fact we didn't sign a 21-year old Ronaldo. So the erratic decision making was to be expected.

coogar:


because fergie tolerated such play. fergie is a risk taker. under LVG, wingers like ronaldo, nani, depay, di maria would fail cos these players prefer to take risks & go direct rather than the disciplined dogs like valencia & young. that's the difference. memphis has all the attributes of a SAF winger.

Coogs, again i dont know why you keep referring to LVG's Philosophy, LVG also had Ribery and Robben under him ffs, both didn't turn to shiit when he managed Bayern - yes, there were scuffles between him and Ribery, but not because Gaal's risk-averse style was shackling his flair.

coogar:

he's explosive, pacy, he can beat a man but his decision making is iffy. that was how giggs started too. robben @21 was worse as well. they just believe they could dribble everyone on the pitch and get away with it. the manager plays a part in the development of a young player.

Stop trying to rewrite history, Oga.

A 21 year old Robben was nominated for the PFA young player of the year coming second behind Rooney, you should also not forget how injured he was that season(didnt even have a full pre-season) and like Depay, he was coming from the Eredivise.

coogar:

how so?
if the pass isn't on, LVG has instructed the players to hold possession till the cows come home. no one risks any pass.....no one takes charge. we just hug possession for nothing without actually trying to force the issue every now & then. how would traditional wingers thrive in this philosophy?

Coogs!!!
What exactly qualifies as a traditional winger?. Because, Depay is everything but one, he will cut-in and have a pop, and it is his inability to do the basics that have formed opinions about him being shiite. Usually all he has to do is drop his shoulder and get a yard or two to get his shot away, but your Ninja cant seem to even beat a stick at the moment, sadly he wont offer anything else, as he isnt renowned for his crosses or final ball anyway.


How often do "traditional wingers" score 28 goals a season?

Is Sanchez also a traditional winger?

Ta! Coogar don't act like Ronaldo wasn't the man in 2004. He made team of that tournament and was Portugals best player.

The same English press hating on him were the same ones who crowned Ashley Cole best left back in the world just because he managed to keep pace with Ronaldo in the quarter final.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/2381861/Cole-proves-his-point-in-Ronaldo-test.html

@Raumdeuter

Good you are here, how did LVG's Philosophy affect your flair players in 2009?

darefestus:

Except Young Ronaldo was beating his fullback more often than not, whilst still producing crosses - None of which Depay has managed to do.

he wasn't beating his full-back then.
ronaldo would get the ball & do that ballerina dance steps that often led nowhere & the ball would be nicked off him.

thing is - if depay scores 2 more goals, he would have matched ronaldo's total goals in ronaldo's debut season. that was how poor ronaldo was in 03/04.

You have also conveniently ignored the fact we didn't sign a 21-year old Ronaldo. So the erratic decision making was to be expected.

age means shyte!
the quality education started when they both arrived in england. the dutch league & the portuguese league are lower-tier leagues. if ronaldo had joined us @21, 99% of the traits that made him frustrating would have still been existent.

Coogs, again i dont know why you keep referring to LVG's Philosophy, LVG also had Ribery and Robben under him ffs, both didn't turn to shiit when he managed Bayern - yes, there were scuffles between him and Ribery, but because Gaal's risk-averse style was shackling his flair.

except that ribery/robben have already made names for themselves & are well grounded before they played under LVG. there was nothing he could have done to tweak robben/ribery.

Stop trying to rewrite history, Oga.

A 21 year old Robben was notimated for the PFA young player of the year coming second behind Rooney, you should also not forget how injured he was that season(didnt even have a full pre-season) and like Depay, he was coming from the Eredivise.

robben played exactly like depay.
the difference was that they had a manager who had a triumvirate of makelele, carvalho & terry at the back which made duff & robben run riots. they never had to track back & help their fullbacks. these days, depay is being told to apply handbrakes & track back to help the LB.

Coogs!!!
What exactly qualifies as a traditional winger?. Because, Depay is everything but one, he will cut-in and have a pop. How often do "traditional wingers" score 28 goals a season?

ronaldo scored 42 goals in the premier league as a traditional winger. the non-traditional wingers are silva, nasri, sanchez, etc. does depay operate like silva? there you have your answer.

Is Sanchez also a traditional winger?

i have never seen sanchez work the touch line so he cannot be a traditional winger. your trado-wingers are navas, nani, ronaldo(man utd), beckham, valencia, etc.

darefestus:
Because, Depay is everything but one, he will cut-in and have a pop, and it is his inability to do the basics that have formed opinions about him being shiite. Usually all he has to do is drop is shoulder and get a yard or two to get his shot away, but your Ninja cant seem to even beat a stick at the moment, sadly he wont offer anything else, as he isnt renowned for his crosses or final ball anyway.


How often do "traditional wingers" score 28 goals a season?

Against a championship side just like you said he failed. Sincerely, i cant remember the last time i saw a man utd number 7 as bad as this and coogar is screaming we should blame LVG philosophy. The same LVG that allowed martial to make daring runs at the wings. Coogar is shameless.

Ibime:
Ta! Coogar don't act like Ronaldo wasn't the man in 2004. He made team of that tournament and was Portugals best player.

was he as good as rooney in euro 2004? answer the question & stop shadow-boxing.

The same English press hating on him were the same ones who crowned Ashley Cole best left back in the world just because he managed to keep pace with Ronaldo in the quarter final.

he didn't only keep pace with ronaldo in euro 2004, cole completely destroyed ronaldo in that game. few hours later......scolari came up with an excuse that he deliberately asked ronaldo to keep targeting ashley cole despite ronaldo's failure to beat cole. scolari said it was a way to keep cole busy the whole game & to prevent cole from joining the attack.

darefestus:
@Raumdeuter

Good you are here, how did LVG's Philosophy affect your flair players in 2009?

LVG has become a defensive coach these last few years. Bayern had flair then but were too easy to play against. The way Inter penetrated their midfield in 2010 final was too easy. You just let Bayern have the ball then counterattack them. It was the introduction of Javi Martinez to their midfield under Heynckes that alleviated their problems on the counterattack.

Ibime:


LVG has become a defensive coach these last few years. Bayern had flair then but were too easy to play against. The way Inter penetrated their midfield in 2010 final was too easy. You just let Bayern have the ball then counterattack them. It was the introduction of Javi Martinez to their midfield under Heynckes that alleviated their problems on the counterattack.

He really hasnt changed much from his Bayern days, good enough teams will still carve us open like Inter did Bayern - cue Arsenal.

The "Philosophy" has always been conservative, and as such perceived as defensive, but that is another matter entirely, still does not wash depay off his shithousery.

coogar:


he didn't only keep pace with ronaldo in 2004, he destroyed ronaldo in that game. few hours later......scolari came up with an excuse that he deliberately asked ronaldo to keep targeting ashley cole despite ronaldo's failure to beat cole. scolari said it was a way to keep cole busy the whole game & to prevent cole from joining the attack.

So why would British press accord Ashley Cole world class status just because he dealt with a second class winger?

Truth is, Ronaldo was already world class and they knew it, that's why they put Ashley in the same class.

I can't compare a winger to a striker in 2004, you would defeat my argument with goals statistics. A winger back then in 4-4-2 mindset does not score many goals unlike today where you can compare Rooney and Depays output, back then you simply can't compare wingers output to strikers but watching that tourney, although Rooney was the best striker in that tourney, Ronaldo was the best winger and would be rated higher for that tourney.

Ibime:


LVG has become a defensive coach these last few years. Bayern had flair then but were too easy to play against. The way Inter penetrated their midfield in 2010 final was too easy. You just let Bayern have the ball then counterattack them. It was the introduction of Javi Martinez to their midfield under Heynckes that alleviated their problems on the counterattack.

the only thing LVG does is to improve the way the team treats the ball like a diamond ring. the possession stats would be good but the gung-ho tactics would be numbed to death.

when bayern knew they had learnt what it takes to do the possession football, they got rid of LVG & got heynckes. bayern won thr treble few months later.

our next manager would be the one to put a roof on the house LVG is building. for now, LVG is just steadying the ship & winning 1 or 2 trophies before his contract zaps out.

Ibime:

So why would British press accord Ashley Cole world class status just because he dealt with a second class winger?

ashley cole was already world class before he dealt with ronaldo. he had won the league title unbeaten with arsenal before going to the euros. his performance against portugal only solidified what was being whispered initially.

Truth is, Ronaldo was already world class and they knew it, that's why they put Ashley in the same class.

nah nah!
ronaldo wasn't world class in 2004. let's not forget his country hosted this particular tourney & some decisions went in their favour. he also played in every game till they got outfoxed by greece in the final....rooney played only 4 games & still made the team of the tournament.

I can't compare a winger to a striker in 2004, you would defeat my argument with goals statistics. A winger back then in 4-4-2 mindset does not score many goals unlike today where you can compare Rooney and Depays output, back then you simply can't compare wingers output to strikers but watching that tourney, although Rooney was the best striker in that tourney, Ronaldo was the best winger and would be rated higher for that tourney.

this is nonsense!
we aren't even talking goals now - we are talking about the general play. rooney was heads and shoulders above ronaldo in 2004. even the portugese media noted this back then. rooney @18 had the maturity of a 30 year old player. as good as martial is right now, rooney was 5 times better.

leave goals aside. rooney was a beast!
while ronaldo danced, dived & entertained with his ballerina foot.....rooney was stronger, with more verve & panache in his play. rooney wasn't even yet a united player pre-euro 2004 but he was england's lifeline. when he limped off the pitch in that q/final in 2004, you just knew england ain't winning that game without him.

coogar:


he wasn't beating his full-back then.
ronaldo would get the ball & do that ballerina dance steps that often led nowhere & the ball would be nicked off him.

He really was coogs, i get that you want to defend depay to the tilt, but Ronaldo did beat his full back frequently, his only blemish was what he did with the final ball - actually what he didnt do.

coogar:

thing is - if depay scores 2 more goals, he would have matched ronaldo's total goals in ronaldo's debut season. that was how poor ronaldo was in 03/04.

Well, Ronaldo didnt come with the reputation of being a seasoned goal-scorer did he?

coogar:

age means shyte!
the quality education started when they both arrived in england. the dutch league & the portuguese league are lower-tier leagues. if ronaldo had joined us @21, 99% of the traits that made him frustrating would have still been existent.

You really are trying to shame Elampiro's defence of Rooney with this statement. What happened to experience, you think that a 21-year old player in any league will have the same footballing knowledge as the same player in the same league at 17?

Well....

coogar:

robben played exactly like depay.
the difference was that they had a manager who had a triumvirate of makelele, carvalho & terry at the back which made duff & robben run riots. they never had to track back & help their fullbacks. these days, depay is being told to apply handbrakes & track back to help the LB.

Hmm, I dont remember 2004/2005 Chelsea that much, i think @Ibime can help us here. But a Mourinho team without wingers tracking back seem far-fetched to me.

Having said that, Young and Martial have played the exact position Depay plays in, and have fared far better, with both having to track back, so dont make it look like it has something to do with tracking back. What happened to actually beating your man when in possession, or you know, making the right pass?

I doubt if tracking back affects those too.

coogar:

ronaldo scored 42 goals in the premier league as a traditional winger. the non-traditional wingers are silva, nasri, sanchez, etc. does depay operate like silva? there you have your answer.



i have never seen sanchez work the touch line so he cannot be a traditional winger. your trado-wingers are navas, nani, ronaldo(man utd), beckham, valencia, etc.

Jackal!!!!!!!
Ronaldo that season wasnt a traditional winger in the Valencia/Navas sense at all, and neither is Depay, i know you are well versed in footie matters so this is just your attempt at taking the piss, but there are more subtle, less obvious ways to do that.

You call a player who spends half of the game consciously trying to shoot a traditional winger now?

Depay will come good. He probably needs to pass through this difficult moment to get some things right. He's been awful of late but he shouldn't be likened to a knocked-out car engine.

Leyqute:
Depay will come good. He probably needs to pass through this difficult moment to get some things right. He's been awful of late but he shouldn't be likened to a knocked-out car engine.

No one is calling him a knocked out engine, we are saying he isn't as good as was touted.

That's not too bold a statement now, is it?

darefestus:

He really was coogs, i get that you want to defend depay to the tilt, but Ronaldo did beat his full back frequently, his only blemish was what he did with the final ball - actually what he didnt do.

so you agree ronaldo's decision making in 2003/4 was awful?

Well, Ronaldo didnt come with the reputation of being a seasoned goal-scorer did he?

what about assists?
if depay assists 3 times again this season, he would have matched ronaldo's total number of assists in 03/04.

You really are trying to shame Elampiro's defence of Rooney with this statement. What happened to experience, you think that a 21-year old player in any league will have the same footballing knowledge as the same player in the same league at 17?

multiply 1,000,000 by shyte & the answer would be shyte. the experience hardly matters if the league itself is substandard. people who start from a top league at a younger age has a bigger advantage than the ones arriving after 21.

besides, ronaldo was not only extremely lucky to start young at 18 in england, but also plus the fact that he was under the best man-manager on the planet in SAF & a deputy in carlos queiroz that understood ronaldo's language & culture. it was a perfect match - made in heaven!

Hmm, I dont remember 2004/2005 Chelsea that much, i think @Ibime can help us here. But a Mourinho team without wingers tracking back seem far-fetched to me.

makelele was a sitting pillar.
nothing went past him. in the off-chance that opponents managed to float the ball above him, there's terry, carvalho & sometimes gallas & huth to snuff out the attack.

wingers had a free rein then.
duff, joe cole & robben were messengers of death. they just attack relentless like bulldogs cos they knew claude is sitting behind them.

Having said that, Young and Martial have played the exact position Depay plays in, and have fared far better, with both having to track back, so dont make it look like it has something to do with tracking back. What happened to actually beating your man when in possession, or you know, making the right pass?

not every player would come to a new league & adapt immediately. if it was that easy, martial wouldn't have won player of the month barely 4 weeks after joining the premier league.

i am not saying depay is messi/ronaldo. i am saying he's blessed with the natural skills to excel in that role & anyone writing him off after only 3 months is a lunatic.

I doubt if tracking back affects those too.

young is a veteran in the prem league - he already knows what it is to play as a winger here. martial is just an excellent player & he's a one off. just because martial took the league by a storm doesn't mean depay would do it like him. the trajectory in the development of players varies widely.

Ronaldo that season wasnt a traditional winger in the Valencia/Navas sense at all, and neither is Depay, i know you are well versed in footie matters so this is just your attempt at taking the piss, but there are more subtle, less obvious ways to do that.

ronaldo hugged the touchline.....
he gets the ball from the wide area, he cuts in and shoots from a long range. he was never the elusive & clever unorthodox wingers like silva or nasri.

You call a player who spends half of the game consciously trying to shoot a traditional winger now?

nani, ronaldo, robben, etc were all like that in the early days too. it's their substandard education in their lower-tier leagues that caused this nonsense.

none of these players looked up to find a team mate when in possession in those days. their aim is to dribble or run with the ball before unleashing a shot towards goal.

don't worry about depay - it would be coached out of him. the only snag is that we have a manager who would rather leave his tongue in rooney's bütt than support the rookie who still has plenty of years to give man utd. when ronaldo & ruud had their spat.....fergie sided with the younger player & kicked ruud out.

the younger player should be prioritised. rooney plays worse than depay in every game & he still starts for us. depay has had few iffy games and he is being sidelined or taken off during the game. LVG is not handling the depay situation very well.