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Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by 14(m): 9:54am On Nov 05, 2015
adaweezy:

Who says the Companies will close down, they will leave and the government of Nigeria will nationalize it as well as resell it to Nigerians examples of such cases are union Bank, first Bank etc

Can the government or any other company run it the way the ran it, mmmhhh. wait for it to collapse with 12 months. Mtn shares expertise and brings it to nigeria.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Melonny(m): 9:54am On Nov 05, 2015
Who cares if they go or not. president Buhari once said if he emerges as the president, business in Nigeria will no longer be shit. "Will be based on rules". The management slept too long to realise there is new sheriff in town. This will send a positive message to potential investors that Nigeria is fast becoming Africa's Singapore. I am sure they will be willing to invest and a get return for their money.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by 14(m): 10:00am On Nov 05, 2015
Melonny:
Who cares if they go or not. The president Buhari once said if he emerges as the president, business in Nigeria will no longer be shit. "Will be based on rules". The management slept too long to realise there is new sheriff in town. This will send a positive message to potential investors that Nigeria is fast becoming Africa's Singapore. I am sure they will be willing to invest and a get return for their money.

That investor would be mad in his mind to come and risk his/her money into the zoo. Lets see who will come with buckets of cash to nigeria. The damage has been done already, to repear it it takes 5yrs to 8yrs. watch the space when you start eating each other fighting for limited resources.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by oz4real83(m): 10:05am On Nov 05, 2015
AK481:


Your govt don't provide power supply to run their biz.
and so? The cost of making calls and data in Nigeria is the most expensive across africa. We the customers are supposed to be the ones complaining because the cost is passed across to us. It is because what they make is very big and enough to sustain their business many times over that is why they are still here. Are other networks being provided with power? Are they not complying with laid down rules? Why should mtn be in exception? Mtn makes over one billion naira a day in Nigeria and they can't boast of such revenue from their other investments in other parts of Africa. If they can't comply with our laws the exit door is open!!!
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 10:06am On Nov 05, 2015
I hope this money is enough to pay the unemployed graduates 5000 naira as promised.


People will just be shouting "mtn should pay" as if when they pay you ll get an alert from your bank.

They ll pay and as usual you wont have an idea where the money will sink.



Gullible Nigerians.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by guyXander(m): 10:13am On Nov 05, 2015
bigv:
MTN should calm down o jare. undecided

If NCC knew you couldn't pay the Damn sum. They wouldn't slam that amount on you guys.
#DealWithIt


Pls who regulates Cable Tvs. Dstv needs some slamming too.
NBC regulates cable TV .
Acronym for National Broadcasting Commission
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by hob(m): 10:18am On Nov 05, 2015
Im specially waiting for DSTV fine..............
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by bigv(m): 10:29am On Nov 05, 2015
Yea I know, but I think it's just the about content, quality and regulations on what they air.
I doubt if they are involved with anything monetary like NCC.
Anyway, i'm sure if NBC checks their constitution, they might find something related to that tho.
guyXander:

NBC regulates cable TV .
Acronym for National Broadcasting Commission
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by symbianDON(m): 10:37am On Nov 05, 2015
if it were a nigerian company that violated south african laws, i wonder if the southies would have cared less. mtn should pay up. we, nigerians, say NO to impunity.....it's no longer business as usual.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Banter1(m): 10:58am On Nov 05, 2015
Misterlaby:
I kinda feel pity for mtn but rules are rules and they already knew all that

200k per Sim on an unduly registered Sim on the network..

And since they have 5.1million cases of that...

Do the math wink

Yello network pay up jor
I feel no pity for them. The fine sef too small.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Emmanueledu(m): 11:05am On Nov 05, 2015
I so love this country Nigeria!
We may have our differences but when it comes to matters as this,we always speak with one voice!!!
Mtn should as a matter of urgency do the needful....
Dstv,shoprite you nxt!
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by teepain: 11:05am On Nov 05, 2015
Salmoneus:


PDP screwed this country up for 9 years and you expect it to be fixed in 6 months? undecided

Actually PDP screwed the country for 16 years as against the 9 years you mentioned
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by aniblue(m): 11:08am On Nov 05, 2015
I'm not for nor against but the truth is that if it was a Nigerian company operating in S.A that refuses to play by the rule, S.A govt and citizen would've done more than this. MTN should pay and play by the rules.
Similarly, DSTV should be look into cause i see no reason why they should charge such amount on several irrelevant channels which one does not watch. Its either we use "pay as you watch" or we only pay for the relevant channels we need.
Generally, S.A doesn't respect Nigeria at all, i dont knw what they feel like, its high time we let them know that we are not inferior to them or any other african country.

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Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by owumzy(m): 11:13am On Nov 05, 2015
Dear MTN,
Rules are Rules, you are in this market because you accepted to obey the laid down standards
Please comply ASAP and stop this crocodilecry
Or.....
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 11:14am On Nov 05, 2015
They beta pay because we govt need d money to pay our un-employ youth their monthly 5k
Misterlaby:
I kinda feel pity for mtn but rules are rules and they already knew all that

200k per Sim on an unduly registered Sim on the network..

And since they have 5.1million cases of that...

Do the math wink

Yello network pay up jor
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by naptu2: 11:46am On Nov 05, 2015
This is the person who's opinion I was waiting for. He is the perfect person to comment on this matter.

Cyril Ramaphosa was one of the major activists that fought against arpatheid (along with Nelson Mandela, Oliver Thambo and Walter Sisulu). Many people thought that he would become the Deputy President of South Africa in 1994, but that position went to Thabo Mbeki.

Ramaphosa left politics after that and went into business. He was a major beneficiary of the ANC's programme to ensure that black businessmen had a greater share in South Africa's corporate world. He chaired many companies, including MTN.

He is now back in politics and he is currently the Deputy President of South Africa.

So, let's hear what the former activist, MTN Chairman and current Deputy President of South Africa has to say.


[size=14pt]Ramaphosa: MTN must obey Nigerian laws[/size]

Paul Vecchiatto and Mike Cohen | Bloomberg

06:59 05/11/2015




Cape Town - MTN Group [JSE:MTN], Africa’s biggest mobile- phone company that’s facing a $5.2bn fine in Nigeria, must follow the rules in countries where it does business, Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa said.

“We will obviously be taking note of what is happening with a view of seeing how the company involved responds and reacts in this matter,” Ramaphosa told lawmakers in Cape Town on Wednesday. “We would like our companies to comply with the laws and regulations of countries where they operate, without violating those.”

The comments by Ramaphosa, a former chairperson of MTN, suggest South African authorities may leave MTN to fend for itself as it seeks to have the penalty reduced. MTN shares have slumped 14% since October 26, when Nigeria’s industry regulator imposed the fine for failing to disconnect customers with unregistered phone cards.

The Nigerian Communications Commission has given MTN until November 16 to pay the fine, which relates to the timing of the disconnection of 5.1 million subscribers and is based on a charge of 200 000 naira ($1 005) for each unregistered customer. Nigeria is Johannesburg-based MTN’s biggest market with 62 million clients as of September.

“It does seem like in the case of Nigeria, there were issues, and those issues need to be addressed,” Ramaphosa said.

“If this fine is indeed imposed as it is, it is going to impact on South Africa as well, as our revenue fortunes from a taxation point of view are going to be lower.”

South African authorities may be reluctant to confront their Nigerian counterparts following a series of diplomatic spats that have soured relations between Africa’s two biggest economies. The most recent occurred in April, when Nigeria’s government ordered its two most senior diplomats in South Africa to return home for consultations following a wave of attacks against immigrants, including Nigerians, in Johannesburg and Durban.

“South Africa does not have a track record of defending its national company champions internationally,” Nic Borain, a political analyst who advises BNP Paribas Cadiz Securities, said by phone. “On the face of it, this fine seems seriously over the top. Ramaphosa’s words about the issue seem weak as they veer too much on the side of caution.”

MTN summoned

South Africa’s telecommunication and finance ministries didn’t immediately respond to calls and emails seeking comment.

Lawmakers plan to summon MTN officials to explain why the company was fined, Nkhensani Kubayi, chairperson of Parliament’s telecommunications committee, said by phone from Cape Town. The panel also intends questioning the South African industry regulator to determine whether MTN is compliant with local rules, with hearings likely to take place next year, she said.

“I believe the South African government should be doing more than having a watching brief on what MTN does,” Athol Trollip, a lawmaker for the main opposition Democratic Alliance, said by phone. “They should give leadership on this.”

http://m.news24.com/fin24/Tech/News/Ramaphosa-MTN-must-obey-Nigerian-laws-20151105
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 11:47am On Nov 05, 2015
Horus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzCqaffTf5U

[size=15pt]Nigeria's regulatory crackdown on SA companies[/size]
B**ch(MTN) better have my money. I don't understand the sympathy for the SA telecommunication company violating our law here. This is not about regulator's systematic crackdown this is about following the rule of law and the consequences of disobedience.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 11:54am On Nov 05, 2015
acenazt:
Useless people. Shebi una think say una go forever have una way. Ncc go say make all networks do something mtn go bone like say dem no hear.
no mind dem, dem feel say na old Naija wher dey Anachy,,, welcom to d new Nigeria MTN

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Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 11:58am On Nov 05, 2015
14:


That investor would be mad in his mind to come and risk his/her money into the zoo. Lets see who will come with buckets of cash to nigeria. The damage has been done already, to repear it it takes 5yrs to 8yrs. watch the space when you start eating each other fighting for limited resources.
Are you serious about this? Your country telecommunication company violated the law here you are defending it. It is not a new thing to see South Africans defending evils. We have seen that during the xenophobic attacks on African immigrants and now it is MTN. Jeez!
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 12:03pm On Nov 05, 2015
14:


Can the government or any other company run it the way the ran it, mmmhhh. wait for it to collapse with 12 months. Mtn shares expertise and brings it to nigeria.
I would advise they sell it to American or British telecommunication companies. MTN is of no good to the nation after failing to obey the law of the land. It either pays the money or leave. We are tired of being treated like animals by our leaders, our big businesses and foreign companies.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Acidosis(m): 12:06pm On Nov 05, 2015
chuksmad:

you are very wrong in your reasoning. what we are saying is that MTN break the law and they are fully aware of the consequences. So they must pay, there is no sentiment in the rule of land. Get that

MTN will pay for breaking the rule; but the hatred on the thread is not necessary.


Thabo Mbeki raised this issue many years back. South Africa is not an imperialist nation, they are not extorting Nigerians. Rather, Thabo Mbeki called us a consuming nation, we consume everything, and that's the reason we FEEL we are being extorted.

The fact remains that we Nigerians are bitter. We are not requesting the 1Trn because MTN disobeyed the law in the actual sense.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 12:07pm On Nov 05, 2015
olutunde12:



I read jealousy on every letter! You are comparing MTN with Chinese companies? Even the chinese companies, if Nigeria has enough and better jobs for us would any take their jobs. Thousands of families are feeding because of those companies!
Dude, get out of here because you don't make sense. You don't know your right and it is one of the simple reasons that nation is so disorganized.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by BuddhaPalm(m): 12:10pm On Nov 05, 2015
davefieldpop:
By the time we finished fining dstv, shoprite and stanbic; we will be able to afford modern rail from Lagos to Abuja, and PH to Kano.
Thats for all the times we have been overpaying for services not rendered.
Typical fleecers!

Are you Mugabe by any chance?
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Nobody: 12:12pm On Nov 05, 2015
Acidosis:


MTN will pay for breaking the rule; but the hatred on the thread is not necessary.


Thabo Mbeki raised this issue many years back. South Africa is not an imperialist nation, they are not extorting Nigerians. Rather, Thabo Mbeki called us a consuming nation, we consume everything, and that's the reason we FEEL we are being extorted.

The fact remains that we Nigerians are bitter. We are not requesting the 1Trn because MTN disobeyed the law in the actual sense.

What an excuse you have there indeed! USA at the moment is a consuming nation, in fact, number one consuming nation in the world per capital. What has that got to do with MTN violating the Nigerian law? Common 'yellow card' has made South Africa to deport a Nigerian senator at the airport. You must be joking talking about hate here.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by Acidosis(m): 12:12pm On Nov 05, 2015
teepain:


Actually PDP screwed the country for 16 years as against the 9 years you mentioned

Actually Nigerians (including You and Buhari) screwed this country for 55 years (1960- till date).

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Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:22pm On Nov 05, 2015
onyedikachukwue:
Under 6months Apc has turn Nigeria to a joke.
Economic recession
Insecurity(everyday armrobbery,bombing)
The youths touting around.
People loosing their jobs
Investors loosing.
And their are still some gullible ones.

So MTN should not pay the fine abi?
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by engrshakespeare: 12:29pm On Nov 05, 2015
magaliyu:
They should have thought about this when they collaborate with some Nigerians in there shady weapon deal,economic monopoly and emperialism of Dstv and Mtn,thank God startime and globacom are onboard the day of reconning is here.
Sorry no offence,is not protectionism is call self defence.

Who told u startimes is a Nigerian company
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:30pm On Nov 05, 2015
ireasontight:
and why is it that no nigerian head of state(even when buhari was head of state) have fined these oil exploration companies billions of dollars for spilling oil in Biafra land.,Maaad people

You guys are meh!!! Stop been foolish.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:34pm On Nov 05, 2015
olutunde12:


Instead of being jealous of SA, I think what we need do is tell the dollards in aso rock to do something too. Tell us the name of nigeria's investment in other countries. Why being jealous of SA?

So they shouldn't pay?
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:36pm On Nov 05, 2015
Acidosis:
If MTN, DSTV, Gotv, Stanbic, Shoprite halt all outlets in Nigeria, over 10 million Nigerians would be rendered jobless and useless.



Nigerians should stop destroying people when they have no better alternative. Think about the number of football viewing centres. The number of Chelsea, Arsenal fans that would die of heart attack, the number of Shoprite workers and affiliates that would end up begging on the streets.



We simply can't do anything aside empty noise online. We have more Nigerians living in South Africa than S.As living in Nigeria. Why?

We are just bunch of lousy buffalos who have nothing to offer than extorting monies. Why can't you all go to S.A and make or build another MTN? What stops GLO from investing in S.A? What stops MYTV from investing/extorting in S.A? A clear case of mediocrity!


We need to bury our heads in the saw dust of shame. Shameless citizens.

Nigerians and their love for quick money. Your economy is failing in the midst of over 30 mineral resources and all you all can think about is MTN recharge card money. Same money you all will indirectly pay back to the company.

What has this your ranting got to do with the fact that MTN broke a rule they willing signed and were asked to pay. So they shouldn't pay huh?

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Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:41pm On Nov 05, 2015
olutunde12:



It will take a longer time to fix what buhari did to the economy in his six months of inaction than to fix what ever you people claim pdp did. Before Buhari was born has been the adage " A wrong decision is better than non."

Now I see where you are coming from. You are not even interested in the country's economy just after your wailers.
Re: South African Lawmakers Worried About What Could Happen To Shoprite, Stanbic etc by kel4soft: 12:44pm On Nov 05, 2015
Acidosis:


I have no issues with fines and sanctions. MTN has to obey the laws of the land, but why are we over-flogging this issue. We all seem interested in the matter (recharge card money) including the Vice President.

Should we even be waiting for MTN to revive the dying economy? What's the motive behind the fine? To revive the economy? is that not a shameless matter?


I doubt the FG is overflogging the issues. From the thread we are commenting, South Africans MP are worried not APC Legislators in our National Assembly. MTN should pay the money QED.

What is even wrong with dependence on fines? English Premiership we watch generate most of their incomes in fines and even in other sector in UK and likes.

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